For the Scion TC owners. Has anyone put any dynamat in there car? If how much did you need. I am currently about to purchase some. I just need to know how much I may need. Thanks! :D

Well, I don't own a tC, but I have extensive experience with Dynamat and use it in every vehicle I customize. How much you use depends upon what your ultimate goal is. Unless you are going for killer SPL, one layer would be enough. If you remove the headliner, all door panels, all seats and the carpeting, you would use between 2-3 bulk kits of Dynamat Xtreme, each kit having 5 pieces in it.

Again, you can get away with less, obviously, but assuming you do it complete, that should get you there. Adjust accordingly for more or less application area depending upon your goals.

Kind Regards,
Matt

umm no............ each Dynamat extreme bulk pack has 9 pieces in it. each kit is 36 sq ft, and each sheet is 3 square feet. Trust me I'm in the process of Dynamat my box right now, I think i'm going to have to order another kit. I have 2 right now, I don't think its enough.

Here's a tip... don't use Dynamat. It's overpriced and there are other alternatives out there.

Dynamat is great, you can use 2 layers of some other stuff to equal dynamat extreme. and its not that expensive, just go in ebay and you can get it for $95 a pack, it retails for something like 200+

Dynamat is great, you can use 2 layers of some other stuff to equal dynamat extreme. and its not that expensive, just go in ebay and you can get it for $95 a pack, it retails for something like 200+

You can get similar material that is just as thick for less money. It's a no brainer unless you absolutely need the dynamat logo.

its not about the thickness, dynamat extreme is thiner and lighter than regular dynamat but its 4x as good

Thanks for the great info. Looks like I will get getting the xtreme bulk pack for the entire car. 8)

its not about the thickness, dynamat extreme is thiner and lighter than regular dynamat but its 4x as good

You can get some "blackmat" on ebay that's 1.8 mm thick wheras dynamat extreme is 1.7 mm thick. The blackmat weighs .56 lbs per square foot compared to .45 pounds per square foot of dynamat extreme. You can get 50 sq ft of the stuff for 99 dollars. I'm not knocking dynamat as it is good stuff but you definately pay for the name.

Must agree, dynamat is over priced. I got Fat Mat to do my explorer. It's the same thickness and acoustically the same. Plus it cost 128.00 (shipped) for 100 sq ft. I did the explorer this weekend and the Fat Mat works great. I did the front doors with 2 layers and the floor from the firewall to behind the rear seats. I still have 1 roll (50 sq ft ) left. Will do the rear doors this week. I think I'll put the other roll in my XB.

Where can I get Fat Mat?

I'm not sure about these other brands, but I know that many other brands have a bad smell when your car gets hot. if you can get a deal, dynamat is the way to go

I did try an off brand in my last car. The only problem I had was the heat would make the mat come off. ____ed me off. I hope Fat Mat is not like that.

When I did my box I used Dynamat and noticed a little smell the first couple days. I have noticed the same thing with the Fat Mat. It works just as good as Dynamat. I don't know about long term yet but it has been very hot in So Cal and the Fat Mat has stayed on for the last week with no problems. To find Fat Mat go to Ebay and do a search for Dynamat.

How much Fat Mat did you buy for your box?

dynamat (brown stuff) tends to have a smell... dynamat extreme is the stuff you want no smell and it's extremely easy to put on... exteremly hard to get off... which is a good and bad thing...

the brown type of dynamat takes longer to install...

Dynamat extreme is what I used on my box. It still had a little smell for a couple days. I got 100 sq ft of Fat Mat. It comes in two 50 ft rolls. I used 1 partial roll. I have a full 50 ft roll left to do more. I've got both front doors done with two layers and the floor is done from the firewall to under the rear seats. I plan on doing the rear doors, the rest of the floor and the rear hatch door in the future.

The ICE forums new sponsor Elemental Designs(edesignaudio.com) has some awesome deadening. I used it on my car, minimal smell. Definately a good investment, not only that, but it's INEXPENSIVE!!!! $1 per sqft. Doesn't get better than that.

Well the shipping to get the edead by Elmental is much cheaper than the Fat Mat site. Anyone got any reviews on the Edead?

Thanks for the Head's up Jordan,

It's very appreciated. Being the new guy can be a little bit of a pain sometimes :)

Scionfiend,

There are a LOT of eDead users @ www.icixsound.com. Here is a recent thread I started looking for some pics on the site, http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3339&highlight=edead, might find some users there.

Another thread ; http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3035&highlight=edead

A review ; http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2911&highlight=edead

And another ; http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2326&highlight=edead

A lot of users over there :)

If you have any questions about the application or anything like that feel free to shoot me a email @ bmilne@edesignaudio.com, I'd be happy to help out.

Weird first post :) I love the layout here. Good luck with your deadening search. There are definetly plenty of options.

Ben Milne
Elemental Designs

i did a bit of more digging. Any opionions on Rannmat?

Rammat is pretty good stuff, Used it back in the day. No complaints really at all.

There is a pretty decent article meant to a little roughly dispell some of the myths with deadening albiet a little biased here ; http://www.icixsound.com/vb/article.php?a=1

Might be a good read. Sorry for the 20 links to icix. I just know where to find a lot of information there :)

Ben Milne
Elemental Designs

No problem. That is what we are all here for. Information. :D

Honestly dynamat still out preforms others and is better quality they are mostly clones of the product and some of them give off bad odors and do not hold up is well its like dynamat is porshce and all that other crap is like honda or mazda...

Honestly dynamat still out preforms others and is better quality they are mostly clones of the product and some of them give off bad odors and do not hold up is well its like dynamat is porshce and all that other crap is like honda or mazda...
hahaha, this is coming from a SCION owner?!

Come on man, the whole brand is an economy line-up. So why dump 300 dollars into 100 square feet of deadening for your economy car??


I got edead. you could call it the "scion" of deadeners.

well our cars might be economy line priced but they look alot better than many economy and mid-range rides... so yea I think its worth it to put top of the line into my car... thats why I have JL audio...

so yea I think its worth it to put top of the line into my car... thats why I have JL audio...

:eyebrow:

I'd put JL on the Scion level in terms of quality-- good, but by no means the best. JL as top of the line? Probably not in the top 10. And choosing Dynamat over something like eDead beacuse "they were the first" or what-have-you is just silly. Unless the company is paying you to use the product, it's your responsibility to use the best possible product at the best possible price. Otherwise you're just wasting your money and time.

well who would you put in the top ten b/c the only companys that can think of are diamond, eclipse, focal, alpinef1status, and some mb quarts. If you can seriously make a list of 10 different companies that are better than JL please do so I would be interested in seeing seriously.

morel, vifa, peerless, brax, helix, there''s a ____load of companies out there.

EDIT: rainbow, etc.

ok well out of the easily acessible in america... those are the best. Also some of those look pretty crappy to be the best not to mention if they were so good and most likely expensive out the yin yang you would think they would have a site that didn't look like it was made using geocities.

I'm sure that audiobahn is on that top tne list... :rofl:

Also some of those look pretty crappy to be the best

Who cares what they look like? They're designed to be the best sounding things you've ever heard....they aren't designed to be looked at and admired for their...uhh...lightweight yet rigid cones.

Dynamat is like an "authentic" japanese bodykit: you pay 3 times as much for the sticker on the side of your car.

I installed some edead today, and it's great stuff. I'll report back when it's all dried and cured (~18 hours). As of right now, the doors don't make that awful hollow noise anymore- they slam with a satisfying thud. The smell of the v3 over the mat is sort of fruity, not highway-y.

I did all four doors and 2 door panels in my xB with 2 super thick coats and ended up using less than a gallon. I'll be using another gallon when I pull out the seats, panels, and carpet and do the rest of my interior.

Well he is buying Dynamat because it was the first huh. So why not to by a Ford? which was the first. :lalala:

I spent all day yesterday working on this.


Took 2 hours to pull the entire interior out of my XB, I did a single layer over EVERYTHING in the car, inside of all panels and outside, up the pillars, across the roof, etc.


So far I have used about 100 sq ft, but I bought 120 so I will double up on the wheel wells and maybe try and get more futher up on the firewall.

I used Edead V1SE from elemental designs.

I also bought 3 gallons of V3 which should be enough to go over everything again with a few layers. (the v3 is a paint on liquid sound deadener)


eDesign gives scion life forum members a 20% discount on top of the $1 per square foot pricing.


For 120 sqft of V1SE, 3 gallons of V3 (equivalent of 150 sqft of coverage), and shipping my order came out to about $320.


I will post pictures of the finished product, my car is sitting out in the garage right now with no interior! I have a few days where I won't have hardly any time to work on the car, but hopefully by next tuesday it will be all finished and back together and I can post a good review.


So far with the doors covered inside and out with just the V1SE when you shut them it sounds like a 80,000 mercedes door. That is even without the door panels back on!


I am loving it so far, the V1SE was alot easier to work with than I was expecting. I have been a hardcore DIY audio guy for a long time, but this is my first experience with any sound deadening products.

Maybe you can help me out on this...if you bought v1se, and have used 100 square feet, what are you going to use the v3 on?

I'm nto trying to be a jerk or anything, I was just wondering if there was something I'm missing, like the v3 being best used for certain parts or something.
Thanks
Dave

Just for overkill.


I am going to paint v3 over the v1se, over everything, plus to make things look alot more uniform, I am also going to use the v3 to paint on the backside of all the plastic panels before I reinstall them, so that I can prevent any rattles from the interior panels themselves.


I got ansy and ran out to the garage and snapped some pictures and took a short clip of the sound of shutting one of the doors, I am uploading them now..... Will link in a moment....

Here is the video clip:

http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/DeadenedDoorShut.wmv



And the pics:


http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/BackDriver.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/BackPassenger.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/DriverFront.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/Passenger_Front.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/RearFloor.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/Roof.JPG




Please ignore the paper scraps from the v1se that are still in the car. Also ignore the wires all over the place, those are the wires for my stereo that I didn't feel like removing the rest of the way.


This is still a work in progress, but I just wanted to show off what I had done so far.



I will also post finished pics when I am done in a week or so.

So...anyone else think the v3 smells of mangos?

Rammat is pretty good stuff, Used it back in the day. No complaints really at all.

There is a pretty decent article meant to a little roughly dispell some of the myths with deadening albiet a little biased here ; http://www.icixsound.com/vb/article.php?a=1

Might be a good read. Sorry for the 20 links to icix. I just know where to find a lot of information there :)

Ben Milne
Elemental Designs

ben! good people here, glad to see you participating. I'm on ECA and other places as well, so I'm glad eD has embraced the community.

Of course, I'm biased as I have two E8A's myself and have been very happy with them.

on the topic though, I used Raammat myself and was quite pleased with it. I applied it after heating it up with a heatgun and it stuck fine, I only had one piece which didn't stick (due to me inadequately cleaning the area first). I'm still not convinced that Dynamat is superior, especially since there was a time when you could order the same exact stuff that Dynamat used (albeit minus their name stamped on it) from McMaster-Carr back a few years ago.

So...anyone else think the v3 smells of mangos?In a chemical sort of way.

Well he is buying Dynamat because it was the first huh. So why not to by a Ford? which was the first. :lalala:

Lets be a smartass why dont we :loser: ...

I bought dynamat b/c in performance charts it is proven better acoustically and I wouldn't trust a liquid deadner for lasting and I don't appreciate everyone trying to act like they are experts in car audio...

here are a comparison with its biggest competitor:

http://www.dynamat.com/sound_dbate_Xtreme_comparison.htm

As for edead its 45mil thick and dynamat xtreme is 67...

LOL yeah and something on Dynamat's website wouldn't be biased at ALL in their favor, would it. :lalala:

Well he is buying Dynamat because it was the first huh. So why not to by a Ford? which was the first. :lalala:

Lets be a smartass why dont we :loser: ...

I bought dynamat b/c in performance charts it is proven better acoustically and I wouldn't trust a liquid deadner for lasting and I don't appreciate everyone trying to act like they are experts in car audio...

here are a comparison with its biggest competitor:

http://www.dynamat.com/sound_dbate_Xtreme_comparison.htm

As for edead its 45mil thick and dynamat xtreme is 67...

Comparing regular eDead to Dynamat Xtreme...that's fair?

Why not compare eDead v1SE to Dynamat Xtreme...70mil to 67mil...looks like the eDead is thicker...and for the same price as the Dynamat, you'd still end up with at least twice as much eDead...if not more.

Plus...throw in the 20% off discount, and you're paying $1.20/sq.ft. for eDead v1SE. Compare that to $5/sq.ft. for the Dynamat extreme bulk pack....yeah.

http://www.dynamat.com/sound_dbate_Xtreme_comparison.htm

As for edead its 45mil thick and dynamat xtreme is 67...



Actually Edead V1 is 45 mil, the V1SE I used was 70 mil thick as it states on their site: http://edesignaudio.com/product.php?cid=10&pid=25&cur=USD


And for $1.50 per square foot it is far more affordable that dynamat xtreme


many years ago when I worked at best buy and could get employee discount we put dynamat extreme in a family members 96 impala ss, I also used some left overs for my 95 caprice. It was ok, but I think the V1SE is a much nicer product, it is easier to apply, and seems to do a much better job.


In the link that you applied it states "To be an effective damping material, the performance material has to exceed a damping coefficient of 0.10. As you can see, Dynamat Xtreme clearly outperforms Brown Bread’s maximum damping capability and damping range. Xtreme’s maximum performance of 0.42@ 20°C (68°F) is almost two and a half times higher that Brown Bread’s peak performance of 0.17 @ 30°C (86°F)"


This is what they claim is a "Oberst Test", you will notice that they do not use any units of measurement for this oberst test or explain what exactly it is measuring. They just claim it is an "industry standard test" Without units we do not know what difference is significant.

I am not bashing dynamat as it is a very good product, but when you add a key phrase it loses all appeal. That phrase.... "for what it costs" If you have a limitless budget by all means go for dynamat extreme, if you want a product that is directly comparable to dynamat extreme, then go with edead.



According to dynamat's website their dynamat extreme bulk kit which as a MSRP of $249.99 has 9 sheets that are 18"x32" that is 36 square feet.


You can get over 160 square feet of V1SE for that same price which is the MSRP from www.edesignaudio.com. That's almost 5 times as much for the same price....And that's not counting the 20% forum discount!

Even if you use ebay as an example, a quick glance and I see the same bulk back of xtreme on ebay for a lowest price of about $100 not counting shipping. For the same $100 there are rolls of 120 sq ft of edead, that include a free dynamat sample, what does that tell you about their confidence in their product's superiority?


I am in no way affiliated with edesignaudio, but I am simply pointing out the information that I used to make my educated decision before I sunk big bucks into deadening my car.

PWNED.

My eDead rules. My car sounds awesome, and I haven't even done the floor yet.

Wow! Those pictures are awesome, thanks!
I was trying to gauge how much work this would be and now I know... :clap:
From the sound clip it definitely sounds worth it. I haven't read your review but am looking forward to it. Thanks again for sharing... :bow:


Al.Truistic
aBHere is the video clip:

http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/DeadenedDoorShut.wmv



And the pics:


http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/BackDriver.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/BackPassenger.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/DriverFront.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/Passenger_Front.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/RearFloor.JPG
http://home.insightbb.com/~grstevens80/Roof.JPG




Please ignore the paper scraps from the v1se that are still in the car. Also ignore the wires all over the place, those are the wires for my stereo that I didn't feel like removing the rest of the way.


This is still a work in progress, but I just wanted to show off what I had done so far.



I will also post finished pics when I am done in a week or so.

Rmember kids, more expensive does not always mean better. Gucci flip flops are still flip flops.

Rmember kids, more expensive does not always mean better. Gucci flip flops are still flip flops.

HAHAHAHAHAHA....nice.

And yeah...I guess I can't say that I'm not affiliated w/ Elemental Designs. I used to be just a customer, now I'm the head of sales....so obviously I'd like it for people to buy our product. But I speak from a consumer standpoint when I talk about it...because that's what I was for a last year, a consumer of eD products. I had no problem paying for it which is why I wanted to work here.

Rmember kids, more expensive does not always mean better. Gucci flip flops are still flip flops.

chicks dig d00ds in Gucci flip flops.

almsot as much as chicks dig d00ds with dynamat exTREME!

Notacop great post love the video. Looks like it's eDead v1SE and v3 for me!

Well I wasn't aware that edead made a mil as thick as the SE and I don't really trust liquids so I over looked them but I will try them out to finish up the rest of my car and see if I can tell a difference... and whats the coupon code?

I used the Dynamat Extreme Trunk kit on my tC, worked great, sounds much better with my two 10's now, much less rattle, much better sound. I plan on doing the rest of the car soon enough

Why not just buy stinger roadkill by the gallon and paint it on with a brush. 2 gallons will do a Xb twice and it adds very little weight no smell and works better because you get complete coverage.i think it cost like $100 a gallon you can also spray it if you have a good compressor stinger makes a gun its like $20

Edead V3 is the same idea as stinger roadkill and it is half the price. I have 3 gallons of it for my project too!

gotta be honest was a little dissapointed in the edead v1 se b/c of the fact that it didnt stick after the surface was thouroughly cleaned... with a blow dryer it has stuck better for the most part but this was supposed to not need any heat so not so much bad product b/c its thick stuff just needs a heat gun b/c in the same areas the dynamat stuck the first time... so all in all its good if applied correctly.

I posted a write up comparing some brands (I need to update it some). I also posted a budgeted version of a sound deadening install that I gurantee you is cheaper than anything onhere and works ars good, if not better than all of them. The deadening mats are all the same. The tar part is all made at the same factory. The only thing different is the foiling on the outside. The problem people have, lots of times, is they don't prep the surface properly so they complain about the products. Properly cleaned, adn applied with a heat gun, I have no problems getting any deadener to stick, period. Lots like to use a wooden roller, which is fine because it's really hard, but unless you take a sander (belt, paper, etc) and round ver the edges, you're going to get creases and wrinkles from the roller, and in some cases it cuts the foil, then you have a tarred mess.

Link to comparison? I'm tired, lazy and at work, so i'm hoping you'll enable my slacker-ness this tuesday morning :)

I need to update the part about smells(I think I had a bad batch of FatMat, cause it's smell was twice as bad as the second roll I tried), and add a few other brands in there, as I have tried them as well.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=60459

thanks!

*bringing back the dead*

Does edead still give a discount to SL members?

eDeadBA is the discount code :)