Hey there...It has been said, that my former VW Beetle WHISPER was ROUND FOR A REASON. Well, BOXCAR WHILLIE is SQUARE FOR A REASON as well. That resaon is it's just so dang ugly, it's cute. At least to me. It reminds me of that certain...I dunno. Something that the Beetle has. That spirit of going against the crowd.

So, here is a thread to show off my 2005 SCION, named Boxcar Willie, and his mods....
It is a two tone, Black Cherry Pearl, with Black Sand Pearl. Subtle, but quite effective.

MODS are:

Interior - Tinted Windows from the front to all sides, SCION Blue/Red LED set, with Cup Holder Lights, OBX Classic Shift Knob, OBX Sports Pedals, SCION floor mats, SCION cargo cover, SCION cargo mat, SCION cargo net, xB door sills, XM radio, Bazooka Subwoofer, Leather Covered Steering Wheel in Gray and Black, Pioneer Six Disc In Dash CD Changer with Changing lights, Toyota Highlander Chromatic Auto Dimming Temp/Compass Mirror, Instrument Panel, Doors, and Stick Shift Boot Applique, SCION Arm rest, Fuzzy Japanese Dragon w/Japanese Characters Dice, Japanese Dragon Shoulder Pad (center, rear),TRD Shoulder Pads, Pioneer TS-A1681R 4-Way Speakers, (rear and front), Pioneer TS-G1040R 2 Way Speakers with Bass Reducers, dash, Katzkin full leather interior, (with special Japanese embroidery and a hand made arm rest leather piece).



Exterior - European Tail Lights, Black Sand Pearl spoiler on the back, metallic Black Sand Pearl grill on front, with a Black Cherry Pearl SCION emblem, 3M guard rails on doors, Auto Mate OEM Upgrade Alarm, de-badge xB, Fish, and Japanese Character badge, XM radio antenna, Rear Bumper Appilque, 9004SB - Fusion Series Head Light bulbs, Webasto Panoramic Sunroof, Real Chrome window sills.

Performance AEM Cold Air Intake, Borla Exhaust System, Front Strut Tie Bar, made by Hotchkis, xB AEI Custom SCION Battery Tie Down, AEM Billet Oil Cap, TRD Quickshifter, TRD Lowering Springs, Rostra Cruise Control, STATUS REY Chrome Alloy Rims, Hankook K106 High Performance Radial 215/35R18 Tires.

More to come!
This first shot was on the day I bought it...It is still stock then.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/00470010.jpg


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Inside. Note the TRD QUICKSHIFTER. Well, you can note that if you wish. It's hard to 'see' it, since it's in the boot. Note the Two Toned Leather Steering Wheel. Note the six disc in dash stereo with changing colors...Note how clean this baby is.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/7BW070805.jpg
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Looks good. Nice & Simple. Those wheels almost look like the could be stock :shock:

just dump it and it will be perfect.......

i am undecided on the wheels. they look ok.

Looks good. Nice & Simple. Those wheels almost look like the could be stock :shock:

Thanks. I was hoping someone would notice that. Now, here is where I may end up going with this car...this picture is not the color I would use, but the wood sides...That is what I am thinking of doing...

http://forums.newbeetle.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=480646

Anyway it ends up, I hope my xB will be one of the first Retro xB's out there.

intresting! Do you know how to photoshop? I would like to see what it might look like.

A woodie xB might be good looking. Needs to be the right color of car & wood vinyl I guess is what you would use? I think the front of the roof would need to be slanted like .25" so you get that hot rod looking going.

you could try on those old moon caps, it might look cool.

intresting! Do you know how to photoshop? I would like to see what it might look like.
Sort of, but not that much... that photo up there..well, hold on, let me get it...http://forums.newbeetle.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=480580

That one I removed a big ole' white van that was behind the xB. I did it in MSPAINT. So, my skills are not that great, but okay.

I am kinda hoping someone here might have mad skilz enough to make my xB into a Woody.

xbguam, yeah, I like the idea of Moon Caps as well. And that may be a way to go. We will have to see.

intresting! Do you know how to photoshop? I would like to see what it might look like.
Sort of, but not that much... that photo up there..well, hold on, let me get it...http://forums.newbeetle.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=480580

That one I removed a big ole' white van that was behind the xB. I did it in MSPAINT. So, my skills are not that great, but okay.

I am kinda hoping someone here might have mad skilz enough to make my xB into a Woody.

xbguam, yeah, I like the idea of Moon Caps as well. And that may be a way to go. We will have to see.

:lol: I got some bad eyes. I did not even notice the shop job until you said something about it. :oops:

Wood is a lot of work, and might look goofy on a japanese car. If you can pull it off and make it work it'd be awesome though.

man ur rims r weird lookin
i don't know if i like em or not

man ur rims r weird lookin
i don't know if i like em or not

they're hubcaps, not rims.

But, didn't they already do that with the PT Cruiser?? There are lots of them here with the "fake" wood panels!

shiny! I'm old enough to know what those caps came from, so I can't judge :)

Anyway, here's a related thread with a photoshop in it.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10238&highlight=woody%2A

I think there's a real pic somewhere..

http://members.isp.com/jtravis@isp.com/myscion/images/new%20woody.jpg

It isn't the best Photoshop work I've ever done, but maybe it will give you some sense of inspiration.

i like the hub caps, but i don't know about the wood.

http://www.camillafilms.com/images/wood.jpg
A wood pattern like that might look good. I dont like it in that photoshop going up onto the doors, just looks to strange.

http://members.isp.com/jtravis@isp.com/myscion/images/new%20woody.jpg

It isn't the best Photoshop work I've ever done, but maybe it will give you some sense of inspiration.

Zoink! That is far better then I could have done! Thanks! Yes, it will give me something to ponder...Although, I was leaning on leaving the color it has now, with adding the wood...
I am still not 100% sure I will do this...but I might. It's a way to go, that is for sure.
Some one else suggested to me (local guy I know), to make it look like and old cop truck/van deal...

Not so sure about that.

Thanks again!

i like those wheels, but your coolest mod is the jesus fish.

My Scion has a Jesus Mod too!

http://members.isp.com/jtravis@isp.com/myscion/images/car_web_02.JPG

i like those wheels, but your coolest mod is the jesus fish.

got darwin?

Hey TJ, good to see ya postin'.
Those hubs do look kinda stock :shock:
I personally don't like modern woodies, but here's a link for the Element's woody kit: http://www.vwwoody.com/Products/honda_element/exterior_products/ to give you an idea.

:wink:

yeah i saw a white xB with wood sides, and they were real not the stupid PT ones. it looked flippin sweet.

http://members.isp.com/jtravis@isp.com/myscion/images/new%20woody.jpg

It isn't the best Photoshop work I've ever done, but maybe it will give you some sense of inspiration.

Zoink! That is far better then I could have done! Thanks! Yes, it will give me something to ponder...Although, I was leaning on leaving the color it has now, with adding the wood...
I am still not 100% sure I will do this...but I might. It's a way to go, that is for sure.
Some one else suggested to me (local guy I know), to make it look like and old cop truck/van deal...

Not so sure about that.

Thanks again!

How about a giving your box a SWAT - Military type look

http://www.policecanada.ca/usa/LACounty05_FrancoisBaribeau.jpg

there was a real woodie at the VIP event on the east coast, if your interested I'm sure you can find the pictures somewhere in here

Use bamboo sides for an east meets west look.

i recall seeing a bunch of bb's from japan with that look even to replicating the vw vans. can't remember which magazine or even the bb bibles.

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what kind of wheels are those? I think I have seen them before, just cant think of what they are. Kosie K1 Racing I think it is?

what kind of wheels are those? I think I have seen them before, just cant think of what they are. Kosie K1 Racing I think it is?

15" ENKEI RPOJ-2 rims

They remind me, a bit, of old CRAGER wheels. Just a bit. I like the simple, RETRO look they have. Plus I got to keep the new rubber that came with the Box. I am not sold on bigger rims, and thinner tires. Seems to me that the ride would be a bit rougher that way.



:wink:

likin the fish man. likin the fish

hey how dark is your driver window? looks like the driver window is darker than the back?

hey how dark is your driver window? looks like the driver window is darker than the back?It is and it isn't.

See, the back was all factory tint. The front windshield, and doors, are after market.

The doors really do match, at least to the naked eys. But I have to admit, that when I took that photo, it sure does look like the front is darker.

Even if it is, I like that, since I get less sun this way.

thanks, what an optical illlusion

hey how dark is your driver window? looks like the driver window is darker than the back?It is and it isn't.

See, the back was all factory tint. The front windshield, and doors, are after market.

The doors really do match, at least to the naked eys. But I have to admit, that when I took that photo, it sure does look like the front is darker.

Even if it is, I like that, since I get less sun this way.

ill bet you tinted the front windows 20% .. am i right ...

the reason it looks like the front is darker then the rear is because IT IS ... the tint on the back glass is around 28% ...

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http://www.camillafilms.com/images/wood.jpg
A wood pattern like that might look good. I dont like it in that photoshop going up onto the doors, just looks to strange.
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Very sweet XB TJ!!!!
I can't wait to see the end product! I know it's be as sweet as your Beetle!

I am toally diggin that Woodie theme!!!!!

Very sweet XB TJ!!!!
I can't wait to see the end product! I know it's be as sweet as your Beetle!


Thanks!

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Santa showed up in JANUARY (well, he did call ahead and warned me it would be late...) and had these things put in on Wednesday the 5th of January, 2005:

It's a PIONEER Six Disc Changer, with changing lights (the display changes colors; there are ten different colors, and you can have them fade between themselves. It's neat..); a AEM Cold Air Intake; and a Borla Exhaust system.

Now, the CD Changer is a neat trick, plus having the ability to hold and play six discs is nice. The CAI, it increases your horse power, and gives you better gas mileage. The Exhaust system also helps in this area.

Of course, the GUY side to these two add ON's, is it sounds real cool! Yeah!
Anyway.

The nice folks at KING TOYOTA loaned me a vehicle to drive home (well, they paid ENTERPRISE for it)...So, what does the driver of small cars get as a loaner?
A FORD F-350 SUPER DUTY with duel wheels on the back. Yeah, it was like driving a tank. I could not park it in our condo's garage, it was so huge.

Got the Highlander Chromatic Mirror put in today. It has the temp and compass, and auto dims. Looks nice, and sits well on the window. Took about two hours to put in, and most of that time was to allow for the glue to dry on the part that adheres to the window. The wires go down the drivers side pillar.

Neat!
Here is what it looks like.

http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/highlander/accessories/mirror_lg.jpg

BUMP for the fact I FINALLY got PHOTOBUCKET to load pics! Yeah me, for getting off my lazy butt! :bow:

Please PLEASE ditch the GT-R badge. Your car is not a Skyline. It never will be a Skyline. No amount of trying will get an RB26DETT in the engine bay. It won't happen. Some stupid kid is going to see that at the mall and think "Wow! That will look great on my Huffy bike. I'll just pry it off."

Seriously man, ditch it. :)

*edit* badge since removed, since I don't want to 'copy' another brand of car, even if did not mean too.

I got some JDM Nissan Emblems for sale if you want.....for cheaps.

*edit* Well, I'll be. I just looked it up, via Google Images, and sure enough, it's a Skyline. Huh.

So I removed it, since I don't want to be seen trying to be another car. And updated the photos, via the magic of MS PAINTSHOP.

Hey i like the box alot, i dig the jesus mod. But whats with the GT-R emblem on the box :eyebrow: . Other than the GT-R emblem i like the box..

looks nice and clean, i like the sunroof

Hey i like the box alot, i dig the jesus mod. But whats with the GT-R emblem on the box :eyebrow: . Other than the GT-R emblem i like the box..

Removed it on SATURDAY, while getting a flat tire fixed. Yeah, I love SOUTH FLORIDA roads. Not even 11,000 miles, and a HUGE FREAKING NAIL bent into my tire, inside wheel well, so no patch to fix. $125.00 for a new Goodyear Eagle tire. Yeah.

:clap: Thanks, to Sears Automotive for the quick job, though.

looks nice and clean, i like the sunroofThanks. :bow:

I love the sunroof. Just love it.

It's my Fab Fave thing about the Box now.

your welcome

Looking good, TJ.

Looking good, TJ.Thanks, Kev. :bow:

Please PLEASE ditch the GT-R badge. Your car is not a Skyline. It never will be a Skyline. No amount of trying will get an RB26DETT in the engine bay. It won't happen. Some stupid kid is going to see that at the mall and think "Wow! That will look great on my Huffy bike. I'll just pry it off."

Seriously man, ditch it. :)Done.

Got a Cruise Control put in today.

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2005/130/h130TSA1681-o_angl.jpeg

Ever have one of those days, when the sun doth shine on ye? Today was one of those days. I was in BEST BUY, to see about a CD, when this dude walks up to the BEST BUY salesman. He inquires about this and that, and then he mentions if the guy knows about XM. Well, that got my attention, so I piped up, "Excuse me, but I love XM, and I got to say, once you get it, you won't go back."

This guy then says, "Oh yeah? You got that XM with ya?" And I say, yes, in my xB...so he then asks me if he can hear it. I say, sure, come on out.

We go outside, and he loves the XM. But, he tells me that it's hard to hear the highs, at least the way he likes them (he was sitting in the back of the xB)...I tell him it's harder to hear the highs back there, due to the SUB. (It's great up front, but he wanted to sit in the back...I'm not sure why. )

He then tells me I out to put in four way speakers. I tell him, when I can.

HE says, what about now? I say, sure. But I can't afford them now.

He then says, "Tell you what. I'll buy you some speakers, since you were so kind to me." I try to tell him, that's nice and all, but, really, you don't have to…but he won't take no for an answer.

So he buys me these Pioneer TS-A1681R 6-1/2"/6-3/4" 4-Way Speakers
Aramid fiber composite woofer with butyl rubber surround • PET silver film dome tweeter • PET silver film dome supertweeter • polyester fiber balanced-dome midrange • power range 2-50 watts RMS

(as it says on a site...)

I tell him, again, he does not have to do this. But he insists. He tells me that not everyone is friendly today, and I showed him an act of kindness. So I deserve a reward.

Huh. Well, there you go. And there are the speakers.

They sound great, and look snazzy too.

I now have the Pioneer TS-A1681R 4-Way Speakers, in the rear and front, along with Pioneer TS-G1040R 2 Way Speakers with Bass Reducers, in the dash.

http://www.cbrstereo.com/ProductImages/Pioneer/TS-G1040R.jpg

What a Change! The sound is way better. You can hear highs, lows, mids...it's something else!

wow. . . you are lucky! I think the last time I was nice to somebody, I got robbed. . . so I usually settle for being hostile and bitter towards the world.

Hi!
I really love the sunroof! Did you have this done at the dealership before you picked up the box....or afterwards? Is this the webasto sunroof? Please advise a rookie on what I should do to have my own sunroof. THANKS!!! Liz

Hi!
I really love the sunroof! Did you have this done at the dealership before you picked up the box....or afterwards? Is this the webasto sunroof? Please advise a rookie on what I should do to have my own sunroof. THANKS!!! LizThanks for the props...

I got installed at the dealer, after I bought it. It's a Webasto.

I would get it. I would. :clap:

I put new tires and wheels on, but until I get a camera, (mine got stolen), this will have to do. They are Krom 205/50R16x7 115 Chrome Alloy Rims, with Kumho ECSTA 711 Tires.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/000TheFuture.jpg
So that is 16" tires and new 16" rims. Nice. Oh, and the center cap? They have 'TOYOTA' emblems on them. Nice touch, you ask me.

(this picture is not of the wheel, just the tire...I can't find a picture on the web of the wheel; it must be a discontinued wheel, which is cool with me)

hey i thought you were going to keep the 15's on the xb.....i guess you going to move those to your xa huh?

hey i thought you were going to keep the 15's on the xb.....i guess you going to move those to your xa huh?Bingo! Just did that. Kept the tires on the xA, put the rims on it.

I like the roof, looks cool.

i have those same tires they are good and inexpensive

that is a cuuuullleaaaannn car. i love you rsunroof, who did it? good job on the ride. :clap:

that is a cuuuullleaaaannn car. i love you rsunroof, who did it? good job on the ride. :clap:Thanks. Yeah, I keep it clean. Well, me and my brother do; we live near the ocean, so cleaning it is like keeping it from rusting. Sea Salt will kill your car, man.

I like the roof, looks cool.

The sunroof is by Webasto (I may be miss spelling that)...it was put in by KING TOYOTA, or I should say, I took the xB to them, they took it a third party, third party put it in, and then I got it back from KING TOYOTA. This way, 3 year warranty. Nice.

And, when I get new camera, (even if it's a cheap throw away camera), I'll post some pics of the new rims/wheels.

Thanks for looking at my ride!

nice work on the box.....

Please tell us why an oil cap and battery holder are listed under performance items? Most of the items you have listed as performance are questionable.

Please tell us why an oil cap and battery holder are listed under performance items? Most of the items you have listed as performance are questionable.Why not? You don't see the humor in that? It's an xB, fer crying out loud. It's not a Corvette, which has real performance.

Sure, it can move okay with the CAI and BORLA to help, but at the end of the day, it's an xB. A Box. A Square car. So, like when peeps put performance stickers up or down the side of the car, like that adds five horsepower per sticker, I add that stuff to the 'performance' section.

But since you said that most of it's questionable, let's define performance, shall we?

The word means, in one way, the way in which a machine (or other thing) performs or functions: So, in that sense of the word, the following items, do indeed, help the car perform, or function, better then stock:
AEM Cold Air Intake, and the Borla Exhaust System, helps makes the car move faster then the stock car
Front Strut Tie Bar, made by Hotchkis, helps keep the now moving faster then stock car stay steady
AEM Billet Oil Cap, helps keep the oil in the now moving faster then stock car engine; (the stock oil cap is PLASTIC, and here in SOUTH FLORIDA, prone to warping and cracking under heat)
TRD Quickshifter, helps move the now moving faster then stock car, through the gears smoother, more efficiently
TRD Lowering Springs, helps keep the now moving faster then stock car, since it's lower center of gravity helps hug the road better then stock height did
Krom 205/50R16x7 115 Chrome Alloy Rims, and the Kumho ECSTA 711 Tires help the now moving faster then stock car, by being lighter (the allow rims), and by allowing the car to stick to the road with wider tires.

The only two things, that don't really 'aid' in the performance of the now moving faster then stock car, are the xB AEI Custom SCION Battery Tie Down, and Rostra Cruise Control, I will admit. But they get listed there for no other reason that they have no other category to put them in.

So there you go. Thanks for stopping by the thread! Have a great day! :P

Please tell us why an oil cap and battery holder are listed under performance items? Most of the items you have listed as performance are questionable.

Man... wait till I tell you about the performance increase I got from adding sponsor logo stickers. :P

Please tell us why an oil cap and battery holder are listed under performance items? Most of the items you have listed as performance are questionable.

Man... wait till I tell you about the performance increase I got from adding sponsor logo stickers. :PSee my last post; but yeah, that is part of the joke!

That sucks about your camera, TJ. I really wanna see what these new wheels look like!

I got the joke, TJ. Just backing you up...

That sucks about your camera, TJ. I really wanna see what these new wheels look like!Soon, I hope, to have a new camera. I just got used to the other one...

I got the joke, TJ. Just backing you up...

I figured...but who knows if others knew that...
:P

Please tell us why an oil cap and battery holder are listed under performance items? Most of the items you have listed as performance are questionable.
But since you said that most of it's questionable, let's define performance, shall we?

The word means, in one way, the way in which a machine (or other thing) performs or functions: So, in that sense of the word, the following items, do indeed, help the car perform, or function, better then stock:
AEM Cold Air Intake, and the Borla Exhaust System, helps makes the car move faster then the stock car
Front Strut Tie Bar, made by Hotchkis, helps keep the now moving faster then stock car stay steady
AEM Billet Oil Cap, helps keep the oil in the now moving faster then stock car engine; (the stock oil cap is PLASTIC, and here in SOUTH FLORIDA, prone to warping and cracking under heat)
TRD Quickshifter, helps move the now moving faster then stock car, through the gears smoother, more efficiently
TRD Lowering Springs, helps keep the now moving faster then stock car, since it's lower center of gravity helps hug the road better then stock height did
Krom 205/50R16x7 115 Chrome Alloy Rims, and the Kumho ECSTA 711 Tires help the now moving faster then stock car, by being lighter (the allow rims), and by allowing the car to stick to the road with wider tires.

The only two things, that don't really 'aid' in the performance of the now moving faster then stock car, are the xB AEI Custom SCION Battery Tie Down, and Rostra Cruise Control, I will admit. But they get listed there for no other reason that they have no other category to put them in.

So there you go. Thanks for stopping by the thread! Have a great day! :P

The intake and borla are more for noise than anything else.. especially the cat-back exhaust. The intake might make a very slight improvement in airflow, but nothing woth mentioning. The catback is for looks and sound it does nothing more.

The strut bar is also questionable, do you have any proof that the chassis is in need of additional support? so probably all you are doing is adding extra weight to slow the car down...

Battery holder is for looks, no other value, probably more weight, but your wallet is lighter..

The shifter makes sense, but it is not more efficient as you shortened the leverage of the shifter which makes it harder to move, but it does make for faster shifts.

Your wheels and tires might be lighter, but the larger size will hurt you on acceleration. The lighter mass willl help the handling of unsprung weight. The wider tires will also affect rolling resistance , yet slowing you down even more.. But they do look much nicer than stock...

The aftermarket oil cap will only help by making your wallet lighter... It does nothing else for performance... The stock cap is fine regardless of where you live... think for a change... If the engine block is 180 degrees or more, how is the Florida ambient tempeture of 100 degrees or so affect anything?

But keep posting.... its good for something

:rofl: I love Scion Life.

Hey, thanks for coming into my photo thread, and knocking it around. Really, you picked the right one, since I live to debate folks, who seem to think they know it all…
It's fun!
Oh, and I see by your profile, you are a 'future' SCION owner. So, if that is true, you really have no idea what you are talking about, when it comes to this car.
But a debate is a debate; I'll try to go easy on you.


The intake and borla are more for noise than anything else.. especially the cat-back exhaust. The intake might make a very slight improvement in airflow, but nothing woth mentioning. The catback is for looks and sound it does nothing more.

Not true, not true at all. The CAI has increased the speed, the ability to move this little car. The Borla, true, while it makes a great sound, it also aids in removing the exhaust in a much more efficient way then the stock small enclosed exhaust system... To some the gains are small, but nonetheless, they are there.


The strut bar is also questionable, do you have any proof that the chassis is in need of additional support? so probably all you are doing is adding extra weight to slow the car down...

No, again, you are wrong. You talk as if you drove this car; did you? I don't remember handing you the keys, and letting you take it for a spin.
See, after the CAI and BORLA, the car, when accelerating around curves, (or corners), would 'stutter' so to speak. The front end would want to move in a way that the standard stock shape would not allow for. The strut bar, (you know, designed by engineers who took into account what the gain in acceleration would do to the car), actually keeps the car moving smooth now, when accelerating around curves, off ramps, that sort of thing.
Now, I know this may be hard for you to grasp, but since I drove the car before and after the addition of the strut bar, I have the proof that I need. And, oh, BTW, the strut bar does not weigh that much. Something, isn't it? Modern technology…


Battery holder is for looks, no other value, probably more weight, but your wallet is lighter..
My gawd. Are you serious? Can you read? Wait. That would seem possible, since you are on the internet… Did you miss the part, where I mentioned, that listing that part in the performance section, was (more or less), a joke? You must be kidding, right?
However. If you want to take it seriously, I will too. So, in response to this post, I went out and (since I have the stock battery tie down), and weighed both the stock tie down and the one I put on. And the one I put on…is lighter. By .02 grams! So, it will improve performance after all! It's lighter then stock! Thus making the car move that much more.
(If you can be serious about stupid stuff, so can I)

The shifter makes sense, but it is not more efficient as you shortened the leverage of the shifter which makes it harder to move, but it does make for faster shifts.

Again, wrong. Do you even know what the TRD shifter is? It moves easier, you know. Not harder. It has nothing to do with the height of the shifter. If anything, the TRD is a tad shorter then stock. Maybe a tiny bit. But the TRD is there to shorten the THROW of the shift. It no longer takes as much effort to shift. Again, since you have no SCION, (that I know of), you debate this as a blind man would, if describing how Pamela Anderson would look like to him. You can guess what she looks like, but you don't really know how she really looks.


Your wheels and tires might be lighter, but the larger size will hurt you on acceleration. The lighter mass willl help the handling of unsprung weight. The wider tires will also affect rolling resistance , yet slowing you down even more..
Again, you know nothing of what you speak. I'm sorry, but really, you come across that way. The stock sized wheels are 15". And made of steel. At least the ones that were on my car at first. Then I moved to after market alloy wheels, which were stock height, but not stock width. A bit wider then stock. The tires on the car, remained the same. The wheels were, of course, lighter then stock. Thus, the car moved faster, and still suffered little loss in MPG.

I know this, because I keep a journal of my mileage. And, again, I drove the car before and after the change in wheels; you did not.

However, the new ones that I just put on? They are the same overall circumference as the stock wheel; how? Well, the tire is a ½ an inch less then stock; the wheel is a ½ inch bigger then stock. Thus, (and I know this, because I place the stock sized wheel next to the new 16" one), the height did not change. The new wheels are wider, by a bit…and the new tires are wider as well.
However: I'll ask you this: if wider tires slow down cars, then I would suppose that racing slicks on race cars would be rail thin, right? I will admit, that the wider tire grips more of the road, but not so much as to slow this car down. We are not talking a significant increase in width in tire size.


The aftermarket oil cap will only help by making your wallet lighter... It does nothing else for performance... The stock cap is fine regardless of where you live... think for a change
I do think, thanks, but you don't seem to. Go on, though…

... If the engine block is 180 degrees or more, how is the Florida ambient tempeture of 100 degrees or so affect anything?

Again, you know nothing. First, have you ever put a thermometer in a engine compartment of car? I have. And here in SOUTH FLORIDA, (which, BTW, has never recorded a day over 100 degrees), the ambient temperature under a hood (not engine heat), can easily reach 180+ on a hot day; then factor in how plastic can, over time, crack, and warp in higher heat. That result should be obvious.

Also, what you fail to factor in, is SALT. Here at the beach, we have a lot of salt. I live right on the ocean. I have to wash the car almost every day; if I don't, the salt will eat the car up.

The salt, also gets everywhere. Even if you live more inland, away from the coast, it travels well. And salt, combined with the extra heat that South Florida has, makes for plastic nightmares. I have seen the result up close and personal on a 1992 Ford Festiva I had with a plastic oil cap. It cracked, albeit slightly, due to the high heat. And, this brought about a small oil leak on top of the engine, that I caught, so I replaced the cap with an alloy one. No problems with oil leakage afterwards. If I had not caught it, it would have lead to damage.
The only reason that cap cracked was the combination of salt and heat. Engine heat has nothing to do with oil caps and cracking. Unless you have a problem with your engine. And, for those who live in areas with less salt and heat, you probably will never have this problem. But for about $20, I got a oil cap, that will be like preventive maintenance. And it looks good as well.


But keep posting.... its good for something

You to. And you know what, I don't really care, one way or the other, if you think I am right or wrong. At the end of the day, I know I am right, when it comes to this car, and it's mods.

What you do, or don't do, with your future SCION, is up to you. However, I do hope you gain some important knowledge about cars, especially this brand of car, before you continue to knock it.

Remember, it's the internet. You could be arguing with a teenager, or an adult with over thirty years of experience with cars. Who has owned more then 33 cars, and spent a bit of time under the hoods of them.

No way to know, right? So have a great day, and thanks for bumping up my thread to the top!


:clap:

^^^^^Tj Tj Tj Tj!.....lol

everything I want to know about the xb, I learn from reading. Thanks boxcarwillie, you're the best.....

While my car is bone-dead-dry stock I propose a "show me" scion eraser race

both are automatics controlled by identical computers


we'd make a drag on the Interstate! Nothing illegal, fat-headed or immoral.
Propose we enter on a straight entry ramp, me behind you by a hundred or more feet. mash pedals on two-way radio signal

GO from 0 to 55 on up the entrance ramp. See if you pull away or whether I close in!
same time, same place, same auto trans. Ecept that mine is bone stock and lighter in weight by a hundred pounds (???) or so of gear and add-ons

IT won't really prove a -thing-
unless my tight, new low milage RS happens to decisively fail to keep up!
or vice-versa! :nope:

perhaps some time when traffic's light.
Is there any such time? Meet at 3 AM some place on a weeknight?
Got a pair of two-ways radios?

Who'll adjudge? Equal passenger weight makes parity.
We can do multiple runs... never breaking speed limit nor risking public safety
not a race! just keep MY pace as I go :rolling: fast or faster.

whooosh! OK if I put a plastic prop on my rear wiper shaft?

TJ! dander shall not fly between -us-

Hey, thanks for coming into my photo thread, and knocking it around. Really, you picked the right one, since I live to debate folks, who seem to think they know it all…
It's fun!
Oh, and I see by your profile, you are a 'future' SCION owner. So, if that is true, you really have no idea what you are talking about, when it comes to this car.
But a debate is a debate; I'll try to go easy on you.


The intake and borla are more for noise than anything else.. especially the cat-back exhaust. The intake might make a very slight improvement in airflow, but nothing woth mentioning. The catback is for looks and sound it does nothing more.

Not true, not true at all. The CAI has increased the speed, the ability to move this little car. The Borla, true, while it makes a great sound, it also aids in removing the exhaust in a much more efficient way then the stock small enclosed exhaust system... To some the gains are small, but nonetheless, they are there.


The strut bar is also questionable, do you have any proof that the chassis is in need of additional support? so probably all you are doing is adding extra weight to slow the car down...

No, again, you are wrong. You talk as if you drove this car; did you? I don't remember handing you the keys, and letting you take it for a spin.
See, after the CAI and BORLA, the car, when accelerating around curves, (or corners), would 'stutter' so to speak. The front end would want to move in a way that the standard stock shape would not allow for. The strut bar, (you know, designed by engineers who took into account what the gain in acceleration would do to the car), actually keeps the car moving smooth now, when accelerating around curves, off ramps, that sort of thing.
Now, I know this may be hard for you to grasp, but since I drove the car before and after the addition of the strut bar, I have the proof that I need. And, oh, BTW, the strut bar does not weigh that much. Something, isn't it? Modern technology…


Battery holder is for looks, no other value, probably more weight, but your wallet is lighter..
My gawd. Are you serious? Can you read? Wait. That would seem possible, since you are on the internet… Did you miss the part, where I mentioned, that listing that part in the performance section, was (more or less), a joke? You must be kidding, right?
However. If you want to take it seriously, I will too. So, in response to this post, I went out and (since I have the stock battery tie down), and weighed both the stock tie down and the one I put on. And the one I put on…is lighter. By .02 grams! So, it will improve performance after all! It's lighter then stock! Thus making the car move that much more.
(If you can be serious about stupid stuff, so can I)

The shifter makes sense, but it is not more efficient as you shortened the leverage of the shifter which makes it harder to move, but it does make for faster shifts.

Again, wrong. Do you even know what the TRD shifter is? It moves easier, you know. Not harder. It has nothing to do with the height of the shifter. If anything, the TRD is a tad shorter then stock. Maybe a tiny bit. But the TRD is there to shorten the THROW of the shift. It no longer takes as much effort to shift. Again, since you have no SCION, (that I know of), you debate this as a blind man would, if describing how Pamela Anderson would look like to him. You can guess what she looks like, but you don't really know how she really looks.


Your wheels and tires might be lighter, but the larger size will hurt you on acceleration. The lighter mass willl help the handling of unsprung weight. The wider tires will also affect rolling resistance , yet slowing you down even more..
Again, you know nothing of what you speak. I'm sorry, but really, you come across that way. The stock sized wheels are 15". And made of steel. At least the ones that were on my car at first. Then I moved to after market alloy wheels, which were stock height, but not stock width. A bit wider then stock. The tires on the car, remained the same. The wheels were, of course, lighter then stock. Thus, the car moved faster, and still suffered little loss in MPG.

I know this, because I keep a journal of my mileage. And, again, I drove the car before and after the change in wheels; you did not.

However, the new ones that I just put on? They are the same overall circumference as the stock wheel; how? Well, the tire is a ½ an inch less then stock; the wheel is a ½ inch bigger then stock. Thus, (and I know this, because I place the stock sized wheel next to the new 16" one), the height did not change. The new wheels are wider, by a bit…and the new tires are wider as well.
However: I'll ask you this: if wider tires slow down cars, then I would suppose that racing slicks on race cars would be rail thin, right? I will admit, that the wider tire grips more of the road, but not so much as to slow this car down. We are not talking a significant increase in width in tire size.


The aftermarket oil cap will only help by making your wallet lighter... It does nothing else for performance... The stock cap is fine regardless of where you live... think for a change
I do think, thanks, but you don't seem to. Go on, though…

... If the engine block is 180 degrees or more, how is the Florida ambient tempeture of 100 degrees or so affect anything?

Again, you know nothing. First, have you ever put a thermometer in a engine compartment of car? I have. And here in SOUTH FLORIDA, (which, BTW, has never recorded a day over 100 degrees), the ambient temperature under a hood (not engine heat), can easily reach 180+ on a hot day; then factor in how plastic can, over time, crack, and warp in higher heat. That result should be obvious.

Also, what you fail to factor in, is SALT. Here at the beach, we have a lot of salt. I live right on the ocean. I have to wash the car almost every day; if I don't, the salt will eat the car up.

The salt, also gets everywhere. Even if you live more inland, away from the coast, it travels well. And salt, combined with the extra heat that South Florida has, makes for plastic nightmares. I have seen the result up close and personal on a 1992 Ford Festiva I had with a plastic oil cap. It cracked, albeit slightly, due to the high heat. And, this brought about a small oil leak on top of the engine, that I caught, so I replaced the cap with an alloy one. No problems with oil leakage afterwards. If I had not caught it, it would have lead to damage.
The only reason that cap cracked was the combination of salt and heat. Engine heat has nothing to do with oil caps and cracking. Unless you have a problem with your engine. And, for those who live in areas with less salt and heat, you probably will never have this problem. But for about $20, I got a oil cap, that will be like preventive maintenance. And it looks good as well.


But keep posting.... its good for something

You to. And you know what, I don't really care, one way or the other, if you think I am right or wrong. At the end of the day, I know I am right, when it comes to this car, and it's mods.

What you do, or don't do, with your future SCION, is up to you. However, I do hope you gain some important knowledge about cars, especially this brand of car, before you continue to knock it.

Remember, it's the internet. You could be arguing with a teenager, or an adult with over thirty years of experience with cars. Who has owned more then 33 cars, and spent a bit of time under the hoods of them.

No way to know, right? So have a great day, and thanks for bumping up my thread to the top!


:clap:

For someone who has owned so many cars, you have a lot to learn, if that is indeed the truth. For the record, I own a TCM 05 xB but the principles remain the same regardless.
When you shorten the length of the shifter, it requires MORE force due to less leverage. I don't care what shifter you have, its just the physics of leverage. Try reading a book on it, you might learn something. You shorten the throws and the stick then you increase the shifting force needed. Pure science, and if you used tools, you would understand.

Well here in TX we have hit 113 degrees and it goes over 100 many days every year. The ambient temps under the hood are nothing compared to operating temps.. Try this little test... without starting your car, touch the engine block after having it sit in the sun all day. Ok, now start the car and run around for 20 minutes and touch the block? Now which scenerio is going to be hotter? Like I said before, pure BS, nothing but a dressup item.. What about all the other plastics? Radiator, battery, plastic cover over the valve cover.... so many plastic parts under there that you are not worried about.... seems kind of stupid to be only concerned about the cap if your theory were true... now who needs to modify his statement?

Seems like a strut brace is not really important on a car with so little power. They do help strengthen some unibody applications such as a mustang and such, but totally unnecessary with the box. More dress-up to try and impress huh?

Like I said before, when you change the tire size to a larger circumfrence, you effectively are changing the final drive, in thi case making it higher and making the engine have to overcome the higher ratio on take offs.
If you use a low profile tire on a larger size, you can equal it out, but you are still adding rolling resistance due to wider tires. This is fact and not just related to the xB.

As far as the borla... being a catback and having most of the exhaust restriction in the cats, it offers nothing in the way of performance.... nothing you can measure.... so believe what you want.... ignore the facts and remain happy... who cares

if i may ask how much did it cost to get that sunroof ??

helladope!!!!

I can't beleive all the crap flying on this thread.

It started out just being a great thread, about a nicely moded, good looking xB.

I still say boxcarwillie looks great. :clap:

if i may ask how much did it cost to get that sunroof ??$1500.00

Not much, but then again, more then some.

I think it's worth it.

:P

I can't beleive all the crap flying on this thread.

It started out just being a great thread, about a nicely moded, good looking xB.

I still say boxcarwillie looks great. :clap:Thanks!

Yeah, the crap doth flow. Too bad I can't just wipe it out.

I'll respond to McBain one more time, at some point, since he begs to be put in his place.

Even though, I am trying to be nice.

Thanks for reading.

Let me get this right- You spent $20 on a Festiva? Don't forget your hitch

Let me get this right- You spent $20 on a Festiva? Don't forget your hitchI had two Festivas, and they ran great. On each, I out over 170,000 miles.

Maybe not the fastest, or coolest cars ever, but they ran and ran and ran...We should all be that lucky to have a car like that.

For someone who has owned so many cars, you have a lot to learn, if that is indeed the truth.
You are kidding, right? No? Okay, so I guess you need to have it all painted out for you. Here we go, kid.
TJ’ s Car List…starting with the first one, bought in 1978.
1. VW Beetle, 1968 ( White )
2. VW Beetle, 1964 ( Baja )
3. Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser, 1968 (Greenish)
4. Chevy Citation , 1980 ( 2 door Yellow )
5. Chevy Citation, 1980 ( 4 door Brown )
6. VW Bus , 1975 ( Orange and White)
7. VW Rabbit, 1975 ( 4 door Yellow )
8. VW Rabbit, 1980 ( 2 door Brown )
9. Buick Opel, 1970 (2 door Blue)
10. Pontiac Sunbird, 1980 ( 2 door White )
11. Chevy Chevette , 1982 ( 4 door Brown )
12. Ford Escort Wagon, 1984 ( 4 door White )
13. VW Rabbit, 1980 ( 4 door Brown )
14. Mercury Tracer, 1989 ( 2 door Silver,)
15. VW Super Beetle, 1973 ( Biscay Blue & White )
16. VW Squareback , 1973 ( Yellow )
17. VW Beetle, 1971 ( Blue )
18. Honda Civic , 1991 ( 2 door , Red )
19. Jeep Wrangler, 1990 ( Blue )
20. Ford LTD II , 1978 ( Brownish )
21. VW Karma Ghia, 1973 ( Greenish )
22. Lincoln Continental, 1968 ( 2 door, Burgundy )
23. Ford Probe, 1989 ( 2 door White )
24. Chevy Astro, 1986 ( mid - size van, Blue )
25. Ford Tempo GL, 1989 (2 door Light Blue)
26. Ford Festiva L, 1992 (2 door Red)
27. Ford Festiva GL, 1992 (2 door Aqua)
28. Ford Econline Club Wagon Van , 1984( Blue w/white top)
29. Toyota Corona Luxury Edition, 1980 (4 door brown/Gold; later Plymouth Prowler Purple)
30. Ford Focus SE, 2000 (4 door Metallic Autumn Orange)
31. VW Bus, 1978 (Blue and White)
32. VW Beetle, 2002 ( Cool White; Now 1973 VW Super Beetle Biscay Blue and 2002 VW Cool White)
33. Toyota Scion xB, 2005 (5 door Black Cherry Pearl)
34. Toyota Scion xA, 2005 (5 door Indigo Ink Pearl)
There you go, the entire list. That's the truth, bucko. Or are you calling a Preacher a liar? Oh, you didn't know I am a 40 year old Preacher, did you?

For the record, I own a TCM 05 xB but the principles remain the same regardless.
Then why don't you say so in your profile? Otherwise, no one knows what you own.
When you shorten the length of the shifter, it requires MORE force due to less leverage. I don't care what shifter you have, its just the physics of leverage. Try reading a book on it, you might learn something.
:roll:

As many know, I have a TRD QUICK SHIFTER. Here is the blurb about it from the site: "Shorten the throw between gears and lose less momentum between shifts during aggressive driving maneuvers. Sorry, but it's for 5-speed xBs only."

The THROW, not the 'length of the shifter' as you put it. Again, I have one. Do you? If not, then you can't possibly know the difference gained by putting one on the Box. I can tell by your argumentative tone, that no matter what facts I present to you, you will see otherwise.

You shorten the throws and the stick then you increase the shifting force needed. Pure science, and if you used tools, you would understand.

Nice. You know, I could say something here, but why bother? Wait. I just did say something here. Dang it.

Well here in TX we have hit 113 degrees and it goes over 100 many days every year. The ambient temps under the hood are nothing compared to operating temps
No, really? Gosh, thanks.

Try this little test... without starting your car, touch the engine block after having it sit in the sun all day. Ok, now start the car and run around for 20 minutes and touch the block? Now which scenerio is going to be hotter? Like I said before, pure BS, nothing but a dressup item..

Let me ask you this, (but I know what you will say): If it's a nothing 'but a dress up item' (spelled correctly; your argument would stand a wee bit taller if you knew how to spell. I have left all of your spelling errors in your comments)…

Anyway, let me ask you this: If that sort of thing, a alloy oil cap was nothing but a dress up item, then why do high end cars have alloy caps? Racing cars as well? Hmm? Heck, why did my 1968 VW Bug have a metal oil cap, if plastic would have done? No answer, or at the very least, not one you won't fabricate to suit your needs. Listen. I spent the $20 bucks on an oil cap. I like the look, I like the added security of it. I'm not saying you have to have one, if you don't want one. So, why in hell does that bug you?
What about all the other plastics? Radiator, battery, plastic cover over the valve cover.... so many plastic parts under there that you are not worried about.... seems kind of stupid to be only concerned about the cap if your theory were true... now who needs to modify his statement?

Not me, that's for sure. IF I wanted to, IF I saw a need to, all of those other plastics can be replaced with after market metal, alloy, things like that.
Heck, I have a polished steel battery cover around my battery, since that prevents it from being punctured, and then drained, and then my alarm is pointless, so thieves can rob me blind then. You think that is dumb, no doubt, but here in the SOUTH FLORIDA area, that has happened to some of the Boxes.

A person here on the site makes them, Ivan. And others from around the country have bought them. So, I guess we are all fools.
I mentioned why, in an earlier post, why I put the alloy oil cap on my car. I have had experience in this area. Again, you don't have to buy one, or want one. I have my, very real, reasons for having one.

Seems like a strut brace is not really important on a car with so little power.
Tell you what. If that is what you think, then fine. Don't add one.
I just know, that I have found a significant difference in the cars handling before and after the addition of the strut bar. Heck, I notice a difference in the handling between my xB and my stock xA, which does not have one. So, again, you do what you want, believe what you want. I know what my personal experience is. You don't have one of these, to base your biased opinion on, from what I see here.

They do help strengthen some unibody applications such as a mustang and such, but totally unnecessary with the box. More dress-up to try and impress huh?


Well, the Box is unibody in design, so, it does help out. And, while it does it's job, why not look good as well?

Like I said before, when you change the tire size to a larger circumfrence, you effectively are changing the final drive, in thi case making it higher and making the engine have to overcome the higher ratio on take offs.

My overall size is not any different. It's the same circumference as the STOCK size, yet, lighter then the stock weight. (why am I bothering? I am not sure. I feel like I am arguing with a person that believes it's plaid outside, and no person, with any amount of facts, can or will tell them otherwise. )


As far as the borla... being a catback and having most of the exhaust restriction in the cats, it offers nothing in the way of performance.... nothing you can measure.... so believe what you want.... ignore the facts and remain happy... who cares

Mine is from the engine back, and I am happy with the improved performance. An engine is an air pump, and BORLA's exhaust system allows the engine to pump and flow more uninterrupted air. The actual horsepower increase depends upon the fuel management system's ability to provide the right amount of fuel to match the extra air flow; 5 to 15% increases are not uncommon, even in the Box.

Again, I think that a debate is fun, but this is not a debate; it's a case of you deciding, for what ever reason you have, to not like what I have done with my personal ride. I have done my best, to remain civil, and to throw light hearted comments at you, but I have this feeling that you don't/won't stop with your jabs, so this is the final reply I have for you.

If you continue to mess up my little thread about my car, and my mods, I can't really stop you, but it would be nice if you just left the thread alone. It's a big site; plenty of room for all of us.

Have a nice day.
:clap:

TJ rocks

That's true! TJ is a people person foremost and a man of faith.
I am more with McBain on the science and all but...





theory tends toward dry and gray
green is life gold are sunrays
yet... it is theory that has made our way
to this easy life, so let us say:
all may enjoy gold green and gray
=co-exist, in peace, today=






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I agree with TJ. There is a difference in performance with an CAI and a cat back exhaust. Might only be a few horsepower. But some like their maze of an intake (stock) and their broom-handle diameter stock exhaust pipe.

nice

It's not like TJ slapped on a can of Progresso on the back, punched a hole in his muffler and strapped an air filter to his throttle body. Everyone has the right to customize their cars in their own way. There's a difference between a constructive question and lambasting someone for their choice in modifications, but it appears that some people don't comprehend this.

For someone who has owned so many cars, you have a lot to learn, if that is indeed the truth.
You are kidding, right? No? Okay, so I guess you need to have it all painted out for you. Here we go, kid.
TJ’ s Car List…starting with the first one, bought in 1978.
1. VW Beetle, 1968 ( White )
2. VW Beetle, 1964 ( Baja )
3. Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser, 1968 (Greenish)
4. Chevy Citation , 1980 ( 2 door Yellow )
5. Chevy Citation, 1980 ( 4 door Brown )
6. VW Bus , 1975 ( Orange and White)
7. VW Rabbit, 1975 ( 4 door Yellow )
8. VW Rabbit, 1980 ( 2 door Brown )
9. Buick Opel, 1970 (2 door Blue)
10. Pontiac Sunbird, 1980 ( 2 door White )
11. Chevy Chevette , 1982 ( 4 door Brown )
12. Ford Escort Wagon, 1984 ( 4 door White )
13. VW Rabbit, 1980 ( 4 door Brown )
14. Mercury Tracer, 1989 ( 2 door Silver,)
15. VW Super Beetle, 1973 ( Biscay Blue & White )
16. VW Squareback , 1973 ( Yellow )
17. VW Beetle, 1971 ( Blue )
18. Honda Civic , 1991 ( 2 door , Red )
19. Jeep Wrangler, 1990 ( Blue )
20. Ford LTD II , 1978 ( Brownish )
21. VW Karma Ghia, 1973 ( Greenish )
22. Lincoln Continental, 1968 ( 2 door, Burgundy )
23. Ford Probe, 1989 ( 2 door White )
24. Chevy Astro, 1986 ( mid - size van, Blue )
25. Ford Tempo GL, 1989 (2 door Light Blue)
26. Ford Festiva L, 1992 (2 door Red)
27. Ford Festiva GL, 1992 (2 door Aqua)
28. Ford Econline Club Wagon Van , 1984( Blue w/white top)
29. Toyota Corona Luxury Edition, 1980 (4 door brown/Gold; later Plymouth Prowler Purple)
30. Ford Focus SE, 2000 (4 door Metallic Autumn Orange)
31. VW Bus, 1978 (Blue and White)
32. VW Beetle, 2002 ( Cool White; Now 1973 VW Super Beetle Biscay Blue and 2002 VW Cool White)
33. Toyota Scion xB, 2005 (5 door Black Cherry Pearl)
34. Toyota Scion xA, 2005 (5 door Indigo Ink Pearl)
There you go, the entire list. That's the truth, bucko. Or are you calling a Preacher a liar? Oh, you didn't know I am a 40 year old Preacher, did you?

For the record, I own a TCM 05 xB but the principles remain the same regardless.
Then why don't you say so in your profile? Otherwise, no one knows what you own.
When you shorten the length of the shifter, it requires MORE force due to less leverage. I don't care what shifter you have, its just the physics of leverage. Try reading a book on it, you might learn something.
:roll:

As many know, I have a TRD QUICK SHIFTER. Here is the blurb about it from the site: "Shorten the throw between gears and lose less momentum between shifts during aggressive driving maneuvers. Sorry, but it's for 5-speed xBs only."

The THROW, not the 'length of the shifter' as you put it. Again, I have one. Do you? If not, then you can't possibly know the difference gained by putting one on the Box. I can tell by your argumentative tone, that no matter what facts I present to you, you will see otherwise.

You shorten the throws and the stick then you increase the shifting force needed. Pure science, and if you used tools, you would understand.

Nice. You know, I could say something here, but why bother? Wait. I just did say something here. Dang it.

Well here in TX we have hit 113 degrees and it goes over 100 many days every year. The ambient temps under the hood are nothing compared to operating temps
No, really? Gosh, thanks.

Try this little test... without starting your car, touch the engine block after having it sit in the sun all day. Ok, now start the car and run around for 20 minutes and touch the block? Now which scenerio is going to be hotter? Like I said before, pure BS, nothing but a dressup item..

Let me ask you this, (but I know what you will say): If it's a nothing 'but a dress up item' (spelled correctly; your argument would stand a wee bit taller if you knew how to spell. I have left all of your spelling errors in your comments)…

Anyway, let me ask you this: If that sort of thing, a alloy oil cap was nothing but a dress up item, then why do high end cars have alloy caps? Racing cars as well? Hmm? Heck, why did my 1968 VW Bug have a metal oil cap, if plastic would have done? No answer, or at the very least, not one you won't fabricate to suit your needs. Listen. I spent the $20 bucks on an oil cap. I like the look, I like the added security of it. I'm not saying you have to have one, if you don't want one. So, why in hell does that bug you?
What about all the other plastics? Radiator, battery, plastic cover over the valve cover.... so many plastic parts under there that you are not worried about.... seems kind of stupid to be only concerned about the cap if your theory were true... now who needs to modify his statement?

Not me, that's for sure. IF I wanted to, IF I saw a need to, all of those other plastics can be replaced with after market metal, alloy, things like that.
Heck, I have a polished steel battery cover around my battery, since that prevents it from being punctured, and then drained, and then my alarm is pointless, so thieves can rob me blind then. You think that is dumb, no doubt, but here in the SOUTH FLORIDA area, that has happened to some of the Boxes.

A person here on the site makes them, Ivan. And others from around the country have bought them. So, I guess we are all fools.
I mentioned why, in an earlier post, why I put the alloy oil cap on my car. I have had experience in this area. Again, you don't have to buy one, or want one. I have my, very real, reasons for having one.

Seems like a strut brace is not really important on a car with so little power.
Tell you what. If that is what you think, then fine. Don't add one.
I just know, that I have found a significant difference in the cars handling before and after the addition of the strut bar. Heck, I notice a difference in the handling between my xB and my stock xA, which does not have one. So, again, you do what you want, believe what you want. I know what my personal experience is. You don't have one of these, to base your biased opinion on, from what I see here.

They do help strengthen some unibody applications such as a mustang and such, but totally unnecessary with the box. More dress-up to try and impress huh?


Well, the Box is unibody in design, so, it does help out. And, while it does it's job, why not look good as well?

Like I said before, when you change the tire size to a larger circumfrence, you effectively are changing the final drive, in thi case making it higher and making the engine have to overcome the higher ratio on take offs.

My overall size is not any different. It's the same circumference as the STOCK size, yet, lighter then the stock weight. (why am I bothering? I am not sure. I feel like I am arguing with a person that believes it's plaid outside, and no person, with any amount of facts, can or will tell them otherwise. )


As far as the borla... being a catback and having most of the exhaust restriction in the cats, it offers nothing in the way of performance.... nothing you can measure.... so believe what you want.... ignore the facts and remain happy... who cares

Mine is from the engine back, and I am happy with the improved performance. An engine is an air pump, and BORLA's exhaust system allows the engine to pump and flow more uninterrupted air. The actual horsepower increase depends upon the fuel management system's ability to provide the right amount of fuel to match the extra air flow; 5 to 15% increases are not uncommon, even in the Box.

Again, I think that a debate is fun, but this is not a debate; it's a case of you deciding, for what ever reason you have, to not like what I have done with my personal ride. I have done my best, to remain civil, and to throw light hearted comments at you, but I have this feeling that you don't/won't stop with your jabs, so this is the final reply I have for you.

If you continue to mess up my little thread about my car, and my mods, I can't really stop you, but it would be nice if you just left the thread alone. It's a big site; plenty of room for all of us.

Have a nice day.
:clap:

First off, I apologize for posting late. I own a performance consulting shop that does work for racing teams and was quite busy the last few weeks.
I am now up to 2 xB's as they make great shop cars for picking up parts and supplies.

Sorry I don't do fancy quotes as I am not very good with the PC.

As for your list of cars, no offense, but the list certainly does not give you any bragging rights when it comes to performance machines. Which explains why you think the mods to the xB are effective.

My previous comments on the shifter remain the same. The less leverage, or height , the more force required to do the same amount of work. Argue all you want, its physics. Yes it will shift quicker and might feel better, but it is not easier to shift.

Your oil cap logic is just way too funny to even discuss. The OEM cap is made of hard rubber and will not rust. It also won't warp and make your car slower. So you can stick up for your remarks all you want, but it doesn't make it right. And like I said, what about all the other plastic/rubber part? Why don't they corrode or rust. Notihing but nonsense.

you said "My overall size is not any different. It's the same circumference as the STOCK size, yet, lighter then the stock weight. (why am I bothering? I am not sure. I feel like I am arguing with a person that believes it's plaid outside, and no person, with any amount of facts, can or will tell them otherwise. ) "

Which is true, I never said it wasn't true. If you are running wider tires, they will have more rolling resistance, but the tradeoff for a larger contact patch makes it worth it.

The borla is more for noise than anything else. Until you know what type of back pressure the stock setup is, you are just guessing about the power. Having looked into the stock system myself but not gone as far as to measure the BP, I would say you are luckly to get 2 HP out of it if that much. But I'm sure the sound of a Borla, I know Alex Borla personally would be better than stock.

You can attack me all you want, it makes no difference to me. I have been working with performance machines for many years and know the in and outs of what works.
I also received private messages from members on here who also agree with my assesments.

You may have some of the Scion community fooled on what you believe to be fact, but many on here know bad advice and BS when we here it

First off, I apologize for posting late. I own a performance consulting shop that does work for racing teams and was quite busy the last few weeks.
Yes, I would suppose the soap box derby season is now going strong.

I am now up to 2 xB's as they make great shop cars for picking up parts and supplies.

You have two, yet still no change to your profile. What a surprise.

Sorry I don't do fancy quotes as I am not very good with the PC.
Or spelling, as is evident in your reply.

As for your list of cars, no offense, but the list certainly does not give you any bragging rights when it comes to performance machines. Which explains why you think the mods to the xB are effective.

Funny, I don't recall saying I had a bunch of performance cars. You reading something I'm not?

My previous comments on the shifter remain the same. The less leverage, or height , the more force required to do the same amount of work. Argue all you want, its physics. Yes it will shift quicker and might feel better, but it is not easier to shift.
Well, if you knew anything about physics, I would listen to you, but you don't so, why listen? I mean, just because I KNOW that it's easier to shift now then it was before. Again, you have no clue. Really. None.

Your oil cap logic is just way too funny to even discuss. The OEM cap is made of hard rubber and will not rust. It also won't warp and make your car slower.

Again, where did I say that the stock oil cap will make the car slower? No where. But you read what you want; you are so very well versed in that. Here, I'll type in something for you to MIS-read: You are not welcome on my thread.

So you can stick up for your remarks all you want, but it doesn't make it right.
Yes, yes it does make it right. I am right you are wrong, and that is what makes the world go around.

And like I said, what about all the other plastic/rubber part? Why don't they corrode or rust. Notihing but nonsense.
Yes, you are really filled with nothing but nonsense. We can agree on that! Oh, I guess all those rubber hoses that have corroded on me all these years, those were just figments of my imagination. The rust that can be found in old radiator hoses, that does not exist either, right…Tell you what. You believe what you want. Anyone that goes to your shop, has a fool to pay.


The borla is more for noise than anything else. Until you know what type of back pressure the stock setup is, you are just guessing about the power. Having looked into the stock system myself but not gone as far as to measure the BP, I would say you are luckly to get 2 HP out of it if that much. But I'm sure the sound of a Borla, I know Alex Borla personally would be better than stock.

Whatever. You bore me, to tears. You think that I really care what you say here? I gave up on you a long time ago, when you proved yourself so very wrong. I'm just responding here, since this is my thread you have decided to defecate on, even after I asked you to leave it alone. I'll ask you again. Please, for the love of all that is Holy, leave MY photo thread alone.

You can attack me all you want, it makes no difference to me.
Um, who came into whose thread, and started the lame attacks? You did.

I have been working with performance machines for many years and know the in and outs of what works.
Right. Sure. Whatever.
I also received private messages from members on here who also agree with my assesments.

So have I. I have received quite a few, that ask what planet you came from, and why you are bugging me. Seems some folks have to stick their nose in places that their nose is not invited.

You may have some of the Scion community fooled on what you believe to be fact, but many on here know bad advice and BS when we here it

'here' it? What is 'here' it? Oh, you mean HEAR . See, I know what I know is fact. And others, they have found what I have to say, to also be fact. And, furthermore, the mechanics (who post on this site), who have seen my car up close, and personal, also know what is fact. And they like what I have done. So, again, you believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.
I believe you have made yourself to look like a fool, just as much as I have.
The difference here? (yes, 'here'), is I don't give a crap. It's just the Internet. Words on a screen.
Have a nice life, and please, no more posting here. Thanks, and I'll avoid any photo thread you may have, if you ever get one.

This is my final post to this thread. It seems all you can do is look for excuses and complaints to make up for the lack of facts you can't provide.
You have side stepped most of my responses with slander and name calling trying to take attention away from the fact that you really know nothing about performance. It's ashame you are leading people to wrong conclusions with your ancedotal evidence.

That's fine, you can play your mind games with those who don't know enough to listen to you.

Things in life such as physics can't be changed even if the aftermarket sales people say different.

So keep trying, maybe someday you will get 1 or 2 more HP out of your cars without spending thousands..

Oh, and look it up, Rubber and plastic doesn't rust. And engine block heat is hotter than ambient temps under the hood..

But I really have to thank you, from me and the guys in the shop. We never laughed so hard before... Thanks!

PS. I will try and update my profile, if you promise to read your own post and admit you know very little...

Don't worry about me posting pics of the xB's. They are used for work and not really worthy of pseudo performance machines.. Great car though. bye..

i like the rims. look nice.

Anyways...

whats next to go on the box Willie? you know modding a car is a diease we all have it now...its only a matter of time...slowly but surely...even though you are a holy man :pray: you will become corrupted :evil: and come to the darkside! mwhahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! :rofl:


:P btw put headers on that baby next :) i looove the response in mine but i'm sure in your Xb you'll have alot more fun because your a manual....unlike me who got stuck with a auto but still i have an Xb reguardless and am happy....BTW is it just me Willie or is it a general theory that most people who get Xb's are kinda goofy and happy :) (thats including myself lol) but then again the Xb does have a special design that just attracts us huh? yea i'm rambling as usual...

This is my final post to this thread.
Really? REALLY? Gosh, thanks.

It seems all you can do is look for excuses and complaints to make up for the lack of facts you can't provide.
No, not really. Without you knowing it, so it seems, I quoted from sites. The Borla site. The TRD site. To name two. They provided the facts you speak off that you say I did not provide.

You have side stepped most of my responses with slander and name calling trying to take attention away from the fact that you really know nothing about performance.
What you call slander I call clever asides. And, somewhere in this thread, I think I mentioned how I never claimed to be the performance expert. I have said, time and time again, how what I have done has imporved the performance of MY xB, not anyone elses.
Even a little bit helps. Now, since you just work with soap box derby cars, I can see how you might get thrown off. since I'm talking about my xB.


It's ashame you are leading people to wrong conclusions with your ancedotal evidence.

No, it's not a shame at all. This is the INTERNET, where anyone who can type, can look up stuff for themselves. No one should take my word for it. However, with my car, I can indeed tell people how my car works, with my mods. My car, my mods. Not anyone elses.

That's fine, you can play your mind games with those who don't know enough to listen to you.

Mind games? You think way too hard. I have said this before. INTERNET. WORDS ON A SCREEN. Not life changing. Certainly no mind games being played here, unless I am listening to John Lennon's LP, MIND GAMES...


Things in life such as physics can't be changed even if the aftermarket sales people say different.
You canna deny the laws of physics, Captain....Oh, were you being serious, weren't you? Sorry. I can't tell.

So keep trying, maybe someday you will get 1 or 2 more HP out of your cars without spending thousands..

Sheesh, you never get this, do you? I drive a BOX, a BRICK. I have no delusions about that. I never have. I am saying, with what I have added to my car, it performs better then stock. THAT IS ALL I HAVE EVER SAID.

Oh, and look it up, Rubber and plastic doesn't rust.
Okay, yes, but they can crack, and they can indeed, 'rust', as in carry rust. I have replaced hoses with rust in them.

And engine block heat is hotter than ambient temps under the hood..

La da dee la da da...Tell me, is this news?

But I really have to thank you, from me and the guys in the shop. We never laughed so hard before... Thanks!

Remember, just because they are laughing at you, it's not personal.
Yes, they are laughing at you. At least, I am.

PS. I will try and update my profile, if you promise to read your own post and admit you know very little...

Why? That would be lying. I don't like to lie. Unlike you, so it seems.

Don't worry about me posting pics of the xB's. They are used for work and not really worthy of pseudo performance machines.. Great car though. bye..

Ah, now, are you really going away? I hope so. Have a great life. Thanks for making me type all these words. It was fun!

The Preacher and :PMcBear:P

(copy and paste of an authentic bit of Americana, 1903 popular song hit)

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A Preacher went out huntin, t'was on one Sunday morn
He knew its against his religion, but he took his gun along
He shot himself three mighty fine quail
and one little measly hare
And on his way returning home,
he saw a great big Grizzly Bear

Now the bear marched out in the middle of the road
and waltzed to the Preacher you see
The Preacher got so excited, he climbed up a 'simmon tree
The bear sat down upon the ground,
the Preacher climbed out on a limb
Well he cast his eyes to the Lord in the skies,
and these words he said to Him

"Oh Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale and then
Three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
so the Good Book do declare
Now Oh Lord, if you can't help me,
well then please don't-cha help that bear"

Now the Preacher was up in that tree,
I think it was all night
He said Mr Bear if you bother me,
I'll give you an awful fight
Just about that time the limb let go
and the Preacher came tumblin' down
You could see him getting his razor out
before he hit the ground

He hit the ground cuttin' right and left,
he put up a very game fight
Just then the bear grabbed the Preacher,
and he squeezed him a little too tight
The Preacher dropped his razor, the bear held on with a vim
Well he cast his eyes to the Lord in the skies
and these words he said to Him

' Oh Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale and then
Three Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
so the Good Book do declare
Now Oh Lord, if you can't help me,
well then please don't-cha help that bear"

They fought all the way to the river,
it was a terrible fight
That bear just kept a-hanging on,
but the Preacher was a-doing all right
He dragged that beast right down in the water
it was three times in and out
Then the bear got up and he limped away
and the Preacher began to shout

"Oh, Lordy, didn't you deliver Daniel from the lion's den
Also, deliver Jonah, from the belly of a whale, Amen,
And oh Lord, it may not seem like much from way up there,
But the hardest thing I ever done was baptize that (bleep bleep) bear."


Background:
Composed or copyrighted in 1903 by George W. Fairman. 1905 Victor
recording by Arthur Collins was very popular, as was a Sousa's Band
version in 1906. Riley Puckett's 1925 Columbia recording was followed
by versions by John McGhee (1927), Honeyboy and Sassafrass (1930), the
Prairie Ramblers (1936) and Puckett again in 1939. The famous Golden
Gate Quartet made an acapella version for RCA at their first session in
1937. Jerry Reed had a charted hit with "The Preacher And The Bear" in
1970 as a single (RCA 9904) that stayed on the charts for 11 weeks,
reaching No. 16. The recording by John McGhee has been reissued on
an LP, Old Homestead OHCS-141 "West Virginia Hills" (Old Homestead
Records, Box 100, Brighton, MI 48116). The second version is by Hylo
Brown, found on Rural Rhythm 176, "Folk Songs Of Rural America" (Uncle
Jim's, Box A, Arcadia, CA 91066). Max Wiseman had a version and Yvonne
Reuge who sang it at the 1970 Tenio Old Time Music Festival. DP
Phil Harris did it, too. RG
====
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Anyways...

whats next to go on the box Willie? you know modding a car is a diease we all have it now...its only a matter of time...slowly but surely...even though you are a holy man :pray: you will become corrupted :evil: and come to the darkside! mwhahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! :rofl:


:P btw put headers on that baby next :) i looove the response in mine but i'm sure in your Xb you'll have alot more fun because your a manual....unlike me who got stuck with a auto but still i have an Xb reguardless and am happy....BTW is it just me Willie or is it a general theory that most people who get Xb's are kinda goofy and happy :) (thats including myself lol) but then again the Xb does have a special design that just attracts us huh? yea i'm rambling as usual...

I think the leather is next. Yes, leather...
And then, I t hink...well, it should be a surprise.

BTW, the leather will increase the horsepower by a ninth of a degree, since the wind will flow over it better...

:P

Thanks for your nice words.

you're wonderful

so is McBain

it's that split

down da' middle
that makes us
go OUCH

http://img262.echo.cx/img262/4247/preacher4on.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

peace, again

I think the leather is next. Yes, leather...
And then, I t hink...well, it should be a surprise.

BTW, the leather will increase the horsepower by a ninth of a degree, since the wind will flow over it better...


Bah, everyone knows naugahyde will increase performance over leather due to it's lower drag coefficient. When nauga season opens here in Bama, I'm going to go collect a few o' those hydes for meself. I might even put a pair of nauga horns on the front of my box and change my handle to Boss Hyde.

Have you switched to silicone hoses?

Have you switched to silicone hoses?

Those damn silicones run too fast and are too hard to catch.

lol hey Willie you know after you do the interior....there will be pretty much NO stock boxes left in our scion bubble down here! lol taking the leap of :pray: faith so to speak eh?? :clap: way to go! its about time! lol j/k

Have you switched to silicone hoses?

Those damn silicones run too fast and are too hard to catch. :crazy:

Have you switched to silicone hoses?Thougt about it, but then I would have to upgrade the alarm with the new JASCO alarm system, that wards off all evil...

http://www.jascoproducts.com/online-store/scstore/go/94716_big.jpg





(oddly, when I went to GOOGLE IMAGE search, and put in BIG ALARMS, that came up)

:rofl:


This post has been a joke. If it had been serious, you would by now know it.

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Hiya TJ; finally had time to read your whole thread...

Whew!

Don't pay any more attention to the haters; the Box is all about fun, and mods are a huge part of that! My husband and I love what you've done with Willie. You've given us lots of great ideas!!! We're lucky to have a Webasto dealer just a few miles from here, and like I told you in my PM, we're seriously considering putting their panoramic sunroof in (after your great recommendation).

You're not still considering going the Woody route though, are you? I like Willie just the way he is. Oh well, I'm sure whatever you do, it'll look great. Keep at it! :clap:

Have you switched to silicone hoses?Thougt about it, but then I would have to upgrade the alarm with the new JASCO alarm system, that wards off all evil...

http://www.jascoproducts.com/online-store/scstore/go/94716_big.jpg





(oddly, when I went to GOOGLE IMAGE search, and put in BIG ALARMS, that came up)

:rofl:


This post has been a joke. If it had been serious, you would by now know it.
That looks like my satellite antenna.............


maybe not :rofl:

Who did that sunroof ??? I HAVE TO HAVE ONE! :)

Hiya TJ; finally had time to read your whole thread...

Whew!

Thanks! Yeah, 'whew' is right!

Don't pay any more attention to the haters; the Box is all about fun, and mods are a huge part of that! My husband and I love what you've done with Willie. You've given us lots of great ideas!!! We're lucky to have a Webasto dealer just a few miles from here, and like I told you in my PM, we're seriously considering putting their panoramic sunroof in (after your great recommendation).

Thanks for the nice props, so to speak.

You're not still considering going the Woody route though, are you? I like Willie just the way he is. Oh well, I'm sure whatever you do, it'll look great. Keep at it! :clap:

No, that was a 'flash in the pan' kind of idea. I like how ole' Boxcar Willie looks now.

Who did that sunroof ??? I HAVE TO HAVE ONE! :)
Webasto, via my Dealer. And, about $1500.00 is what I paid, installed. Three years covered. So far, so good. My FAB FAV MOD, so far.

Hope that helps! And blackbow, let me know if/when you get your sunroof! Love to see pics of it!

Ok, ive been to thier website. I see a small sunroof and a ragtop version for the xB. Nothing as big as the one on willy :) Do you have a model number or a link to more information on it ? I REALLY love the way it looks.
Thanks!

^^^Um, part number...I had one, I thought, listed at the begining of the thread...Don't I? At least a name?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/tjw.jpg

look good

Soon, some changes be a foot...soon....watch this space.

UPDATE coming very, very soon. I have been busy doing stuff to the Box. PICS as well.

Let's just say, that my friend Joanie will think I have moved all the way to the Dark Side, as she puts it.

WILLIE YOU ARE A FELLOW CALVARY CHAPELIAN!!!!!

WILLIE YOU ARE A FELLOW CALVARY CHAPELIAN!!!!!Yes, and I guess this means you are as well.

How did you find out my Dark Secret? :nails:

:P

Hope to see you at the various car shows we have this month, but if you can only make one, make the one on the 17th At King Toyota!

WILLIE YOU ARE A FELLOW CALVARY CHAPELIAN!!!!!Yes, and I guess this means you are as well.

How did you find out my Dark Secret? :nails:

:P

Hope to see you at the various car shows we have this month, but if you can only make one, make the one on the 17th At King Toyota!

BRO! Thats awesome, I saw the sticker on the back of your car! :P Anyways, when does your scion club meet again? I would love to hang with you guys I live in Port St. Lucie but I want to come to one of your meets! Let me know. You can hit me up on my email: paulvedderjr@adelphia.net!

Thanks and GOD BLESS!

http://www.hankooktireusa.com/images/uploads/K106.jpg

Stock shot of my new tires...

http://www.statuswheels.com/StatusWheels/fullsize/images/rey_MB_FULL.jpg

Stock shot of my new wheels...

http://www.katzkin.com/SITE/LINEART/BTO66C.JPG

A mock up of my new leather interior...

Pics to come!

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UPDATED PICS! Soon the first page be loaded with them...

awesome man! thats sweet. love the color combo!

scott

nice work!

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UPDATED PICS! Soon the first page be loaded with them...
:bow: Boxcar Willie is sooooo 8) :!:
One question...that's your third set of rims not counting the stock steelies in less than a year. I bet the fellas down at your local tire shop love to see you walk in the door!

Absolutely awesome!!!

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UPDATED PICS! Soon the first page be loaded with them...
:bow: Boxcar Willie is sooooo 8) :!:
One question...that's your third set of rims not counting the stock steelies in less than a year. I bet the fellas down at your local tire shop love to see you walk in the door!

Absolutely awesome!!! :rofl:

Thanks! Yeah, well, here is how it goes...I got the ENKI'S, then when I got the KROMS, the ENKI'S went on my xA. THEN, I got the lower 'skirt' painted BSP, and it looked so odd with the chrome. SO, I got the STAUS wheels, which are black with chrome lips, and thus, put the KROM wheels on the xA (it gets the hand me downs, just like a little sibling should)

Now, you may ask, 'TJ, what about the ENKI'S?'

My dealer is selling them for me, and when I get money from them, I will lower the xA.

Thanks for the props!

I guess in about 2 months you will get some new wheels....so I got dibs on the present one's..LOL

hey i thought you were going to keep the 15's on the xb.....i guess you going to move those to your xa huh?Uh, yeah, that's it...

Now I have 18's...see what you kids have done to this old man??? :P

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/tjw2.jpg

Update the pics, update this as well.

Thanks Shrek2 for the pic!

Well, there was a car show today at King Toyota (07.17.05); over 150 SCIONS showed up, and I won in two areas:

Best 'dealer installed options' (where you had to have 90% or more of your car with dealer installed options)...

And also Best Of Show, which was voted on by all the peeps there. So now I am all happy. I have won a Best Of Show. I have wanted that award all my life, and never got it. Now I can die happy.

Whoa, Best of Show?
I guess 149 of the other Scions were stock. :clap:

CONGRATULATIONS!!! On the new look and the TROPHIES/AWARDS!!

A good job gets rewarded!!! :bow:

Whoa, Best of Show?
I guess 149 of the other Scions were stock. :clap:Gee, thanks (?)...

No, there were some fine rides there, and to be honest, I did not figure I would win BOS.

Guess the peeps spoke. Nice to win finally, once in my life. Next week, there is even another bigger show, but I don't think I will have a chance there...

But who knows?

CONGRATULATIONS!!! On the new look and the TROPHIES/AWARDS!!

A good job gets rewarded!!! :bow:Thanks! Thanks a lot! :bow: Yeah, now I am all happy. :P

Whoa, Best of Show?
I guess 149 of the other Scions were stock. :clap:

:roll:

Sheesh dont we have enough of this from NON Scion owners.... :P :loser:

>>>> :yawn:

Whoa, Best of Show?
I guess 149 of the other Scions were stock. :clap:

Most likely they didn't show up... :yawn:

I wanan move to the east seems to be easier to win lol. your car still has more mods than mine but man. lol guys overe here have 10k plus into their scions and still lose out to peopel with even more money. it's all about big money items out here.

nice

This is my final post to this thread. bye..

I thought you said you were done with my thread...then you posted this today:

>>>> :yawn:

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Took you two edits to get to that?? Okay. Then, you posted this:

Whoa, Best of Show?
I guess 149 of the other Scions were stock. :clap:

Most likely they didn't show up... :yawn:

So, you are a man of your word I see.

Thanks for showing us how McBain is a name to be trusted! Have a great day.
:silly:

I wanan move to the east seems to be easier to win lol. your car still has more mods than mine but man. lol guys overe here have 10k plus into their scions and still lose out to peopel with even more money. it's all about big money items out here.Well, I have put a bit more then 10k into the car...Over time, that is...

And, we were just talking about that today, and yeah, the west coast is tough. Not sure how I would do out there, but sometimes the 'subtle' look, (I was told today my Box looks 'retro'), well sometimes the subtle look can win.

I am happy with my one win. If I win anything again, that would be nice, but I won't be disapointed if I don't.

To me, I wanted to win, just once. That is what I worked for. I got it, (thankfully), so now, it will be easier to just enter, not having to achieve that goal anymore.

niceThanks!

:loser: :loser: :blah:

Dont worry...you know they dont leave bc they can't wait to see what else you're doing. lol

The West Coast is all about the money and how much your box is worth! BUT theres got to be SOME judges somewhere that see STYLE and a box done without sponsors and say HEY they deserve this. It could happen.

Over done is not always the best done!! ;)

My husband will fix up his....me Im just hoping for some rims and a spoiler...never thought Id say that word! lol

I'll keep my eye on your box...I like it! :) NO HATING HERE!!!

:bow:

I wanan move to the east seems to be easier to win lol. your car still has more mods than mine but man. lol guys overe here have 10k plus into their scions and still lose out to peopel with even more money. it's all about big money items out here.Well, I have put a bit more then 10k into the car...Over time, that is...

And, we were just talking about that today, and yeah, the west coast is tough. Not sure how I would do out there, but sometimes the 'subtle' look, (I was told today my Box looks 'retro'), well sometimes the subtle look can win.

I am happy with my one win. If I win anything again, that would be nice, but I won't be disapointed if I don't.

To me, I wanted to win, just once. That is what I worked for. I got it, (thankfully), so now, it will be easier to just enter, not having to achieve that goal anymore.

OK.. let me get this straight... You put over $10K into your car. then went to your local Toyota dealer and entered in their show and won. Of course you won, who else would spend over 10 grand on toyota accessories! They love you!
Did you get special mention for the performance oil cap? You remember, you had to replace the rubber one because it rusts...

Seems to me the price of the xB and 10 grand will get you a real car that out performs the xB in every area. But hey, someone has to buy all the acessories that they make, might as well be you....
Congrats on your achievement! :bow:

This is my final post to this thread. bye..

I thought you said you were done with my thread...then you posted this today:

>>>> :yawn:

Last edited by McBain on Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:57 pm; edited 2 times in total


Took you two edits to get to that?? Okay. Then, you posted this:

Whoa, Best of Show?
I guess 149 of the other Scions were stock. :clap:

Most likely they didn't show up... :yawn:

So, you are a man of your word I see.

Thanks for showing us how McBain is a name to be trusted! Have a great day.
:silly:

How can I stay away... where else can you go to get this level of entertainment for free? Laughter is good for the soul... :rofl:

OK.. let me get this straight... You put over $10K into your car. then went to your local Toyota dealer and entered in their show and won. Of course you won, who else would spend over 10 grand on toyota accessories! They love you!
Did you get special mention for the performance oil cap? You remember, you had to replace the rubber one because it rusts...
You still don't get that, do you? Talk about a sore loser... And no, the plastic one does not rust...or does plastic rust where you live?

I mentioned that winning the BOS was VOTED on by all the other people there. Not the dealer. The other folks at the show. You know, all the SCION owners and people that were at the show.

So, what does that have to do with the dealer loving me? I think your obvious disdain is painfully clear to others...why is it that you want to pester me? Did I bother you in some other thread?

And again, you said you would not post in this thread again, yet here you are, doing so. You amaze me.

Thanks for your time! Have a great day.

Dont worry...you know they dont leave bc they can't wait to see what else you're doing. lol

The West Coast is all about the money and how much your box is worth! BUT theres got to be SOME judges somewhere that see STYLE and a box done without sponsors and say HEY they deserve this. It could happen.

Over done is not always the best done!! ;)

My husband will fix up his....me Im just hoping for some rims and a spoiler...never thought Id say that word! lol

I'll keep my eye on your box...I like it! :) NO HATING HERE!!!

:bow:

Thanks again for the kind words. I can't wait to see your husbands car! Make sure you post pics, and tell me where there are!

Oh, and one thing about money, as it seems to have come up...It does not matter how much you spend, or where. It's how it all goes together. I have seen plenty of aftermarket loaded cars, that cost much more then mine, that looks lousy.

And I have seen some cars that have had little spent on it, that look great.

Again, thanks. Nice words are sometimes hard to come by.

Here is a shot from the show; it is the first shot I have got of my two SCIONS together.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/BoxcarWillieSpirit.jpg

BEAUTIFUL!!!!

OK.. let me get this straight... You put over $10K into your car. then went to your local Toyota dealer and entered in their show and won. Of course you won, who else would spend over 10 grand on toyota accessories! They love you!
Did you get special mention for the performance oil cap? You remember, you had to replace the rubber one because it rusts...
You still don't get that, do you? Talk about a sore loser... And no, the plastic one does not rust...or does plastic rust where you live?

I mentioned that winning the BOS was VOTED on by all the other people there. Not the dealer. The other folks at the show. You know, all the SCION owners and people that were at the show.

So, what does that have to do with the dealer loving me? I think your obvious disdain is painfully clear to others...why is it that you want to pester me? Did I bother you in some other thread?

And again, you said you would not post in this thread again, yet here you are, doing so. You amaze me.

Thanks for your time! Have a great day.

Funny, you were the one who claimed plastic rusts in Florida. Until I brought it up and then you went and edited your original post. Now you deny the whole thing. Some preacher man you are. Talk about a lack of integrity. I received enough PM's about it that most know the truth anyway.

You call me a sore loser? Why? I did not enter the so called contest. I didn't lose anything.
Just more of the same from you.

didn't want to sift through 7 pages to see if this pic had been posted, but it's in the parts review area under "outside the car">>"stickers and overlays"

http://www.scionlife.com/parts/images/parts/10314_scionwoody.jpg


hope its not a repost, and if u need some baby moons i may be willing to part with my jcw ones.

Funny, you were the one who claimed plastic rusts in Florida.
No, I did not. You are wrong. Face it. Oh, that's right, you can't. You are the one who invades this thread, and then keeps coming back with pointless crap.

Until I brought it up and then you went and edited your original post. Now you deny the whole thing. Some preacher man you are. Talk about a lack of integrity. I received enough PM's about it that most know the truth anyway.

I DID not edit that post to remove anyth ing of the sort. You are incorrect. And as a Preacher, I stand by what I say, however, I am also a person who has a breaking point, and you crossed it a long time ago. I have no freaking idea why you have such a hard on for me and this thread, but can you just leave it the frig alone??

Man, if you were here in person, I would...forget it. You are not worth the time.

^^^^ Sorry... you lie and you know it. You started the rusting/warping plastic issue to explain your "performance oil cap" theory. I have a shop full of witnesses and some personal emails. So say what you will, its too late to lie your way out of it nd push the blame elsewhere. As I said before..... not an ounce of intergrity...

I just read through this thread trying to get some insight into what McBain's problem is. Then I tried to see his registry and it said he was not in the registry. Deleted??
Anyway, I get the overwhelming feeling he is a troll, nothing else. Blows a lot of smoke and really gets PO'd when others don't agree with him. As far as the "rust" issue, the only person to mention rust insofar as the oil cap was McBain. There are a lot of edits by TJ but they are not in the right areas of the threads to be germane.
Sorry that TJ has had to endure such a horses butt.
Hey, TJ, sweet xb, and at least we have seen your's and know with certainty what it looks like!!

Walt

I just read through this thread trying to get some insight into what McBain's problem is. Then I tried to see his registry and it said he was not in the registry. Deleted??
Anyway, I get the overwhelming feeling he is a troll, nothing else. Blows a lot of smoke and really gets PO'd when others don't agree with him. As far as the "rust" issue, the only person to mention rust insofar as the oil cap was McBain. There are a lot of edits by TJ but they are not in the right areas of the threads to be germane.
Sorry that TJ has had to endure such a horses butt.
Hey, TJ, sweet xb, and at least we have seen your's and know with certainty what it looks like!!

Walt

Well.. who made you the expert. he did claim the plastic one rusted. He did edit the post after he realized his reasoning was not valid. As I stated he has no integrity and tries to impress everyone with his severly limited knowledge. Believe what you want, there were plenty who followed the post when it came out and know the truth. I don't lie, but I also don't take any BS comments and responses from some of these posters who mislead other with bogus information.

He also claimed ambient temps under the hood from the sun were hotter than engine operating temps. Its there, but you believe what you want to. I will dispute the wrong information regardless of who posts.

I just read through this thread trying to get some insight into what McBain's problem is. Then I tried to see his registry and it said he was not in the registry. Deleted??
Anyway, I get the overwhelming feeling he is a troll, nothing else. Blows a lot of smoke and really gets PO'd when others don't agree with him. As far as the "rust" issue, the only person to mention rust insofar as the oil cap was McBain. There are a lot of edits by TJ but they are not in the right areas of the threads to be germane.
Sorry that TJ has had to endure such a horses butt.
Hey, TJ, sweet xb, and at least we have seen your's and know with certainty what it looks like!!

Walt

Well.. who made you the expert. he did claim the plastic one rusted. He did edit the post after he realized his reasoning was not valid. As I stated he has no integrity and tries to impress everyone with his severly limited knowledge. Believe what you want, there were plenty who followed the post when it came out and know the truth. I don't lie, but I also don't take any BS comments and responses from some of these posters who mislead other with bogus information.

He also claimed ambient temps under the hood from the sun were hotter than engine operating temps. Its there, but you believe what you want to. I will dispute the wrong information regardless of who posts.

Wrong infromation??? Where? I am not sure what you speak of.

Dude, just leave this thread. Really. I never said anything about plastic rusting. NEVER. And your endless crap about an oil cap, is rather sad. So do us all a favor. Leave this thread, okay? I have no idea what your problem is with me, my car, or my mods. I know what I know is correct, and I'll stand by it. You take my words, and for some reason, are hell bent on trashing them.

You said, you would leave this thread. So why don't you? Or are you the troll that others have called you?

I just read through this thread trying to get some insight into what McBain's problem is. Then I tried to see his registry and it said he was not in the registry. Deleted??
Anyway, I get the overwhelming feeling he is a troll, nothing else. Blows a lot of smoke and really gets PO'd when others don't agree with him. As far as the "rust" issue, the only person to mention rust insofar as the oil cap was McBain. There are a lot of edits by TJ but they are not in the right areas of the threads to be germane.
Sorry that TJ has had to endure such a horses butt.
Hey, TJ, sweet xb, and at least we have seen your's and know with certainty what it looks like!!

WaltI just read through this thread as well. The only edits I made, are where I removed pictures and the like.

So I don't get where this dude gets off. But thanks for your support!

It's not like TJ slapped on a can of Progresso on the back, punched a hole in his muffler and strapped an air filter to his throttle body. Everyone has the right to customize their cars in their own way. There's a difference between a constructive question and lambasting someone for their choice in modifications, but it appears that some people don't comprehend this.

:clap:

I wonder if I should start a new thread, and then ask the mods to close this one...Or would he just move over there, to bust on me some more...

I just read through this thread trying to get some insight into what McBain's problem is. Then I tried to see his registry and it said he was not in the registry. Deleted??
Anyway, I get the overwhelming feeling he is a troll, nothing else. Blows a lot of smoke and really gets PO'd when others don't agree with him. As far as the "rust" issue, the only person to mention rust insofar as the oil cap was McBain. There are a lot of edits by TJ but they are not in the right areas of the threads to be germane.
Sorry that TJ has had to endure such a horses butt.
Hey, TJ, sweet xb, and at least we have seen your's and know with certainty what it looks like!!

WaltI just read through this thread as well. The only edits I made, are where I removed pictures and the like.

So I don't get where this dude gets off. But thanks for your support!

It's not like TJ slapped on a can of Progresso on the back, punched a hole in his muffler and strapped an air filter to his throttle body. Everyone has the right to customize their cars in their own way. There's a difference between a constructive question and lambasting someone for their choice in modifications, but it appears that some people don't comprehend this.

:clap:

I wonder if I should start a new thread, and then ask the mods to close this one...Or would he just move over there, to bust on me some more...

Yeah.. start a new thread so you can lie some more. An ounce of integrity goes a long way. Thats why you are going nowhere... I can only imagine what you preach... I'm sure its nothing worth hearing...

^^^Warned.

And yet he can't help but come back!

Who really cares if something rusted??? I've had weird things happen to stuff too who knows who cares? Why is he so WORRIED about YOUR cap??/ :lalala:

Just for the record...I read the whole thread and dont remember that comment and it wouldn't bother me if you said it anyways. Whos to say what COULD have happened to anyones stuff.

Gosh the lifelessness around here. :)

Any new pics??? :love:

Ah, I posted some new pics from the car show...And one horrible one of me...This Sunday, got another car show...should have more pics from that.

Thanks again fer your support! And I am still not sure what the deal is with his deal about my oil cap.

Oh well. I keep wishing that he would just go away.

Hey I like the boxcarwillie....... He looks really nice!! :silly: I have the same exact car and i am about to order my rims for it this weekend.....right now im all stock except for the stereo system and tinted windows........Anyways dont pay attention to mc(whatever his name is) You have a real nice car(two real nice cars) .......he dont have the scion life going on!!! He uses his for work...............But its cool let the haters keep on talking!!!!!! Nice cars though for real!!!!!!!
:love: Rosalia206 :love:

2005 bcp Xb

Ohh whered you post up new pics at?? I must have missed them. And I know I didn't see you. lol


I hope my xB looks as good some day. :D

Ohh whered you post up new pics at?? I must have missed them. And I know I didn't see you. lol


I hope my xB looks as good some day. :DYou know something? You are right! I got so tied up with McBain, I forgot to post the pics...there are at least two you should see...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/BoxcarWillieSpirit.jpg

There is a shot of both my cars...

And...one for the single guys...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/HootersGirls.jpg

AND, the worst shot of me ever:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/TJWINS.jpg

But it is where I won the BOS...I have a trophy, but no pic of that yet.

Thanks for reminding me!

:P

Ohhh ok I only saw the first one before.

GREAT PICS!!! :D

Good luck on Sunday too btw!

Hey I like the boxcarwillie....... He looks really nice!! :silly: I have the same exact car and i am about to order my rims for it this weekend.....right now im all stock except for the stereo system and tinted windows........Anyways dont pay attention to mc(whatever his name is) You have a real nice car(two real nice cars) .......he dont have the scion life going on!!! He uses his for work...............But its cool let the haters keep on talking!!!!!! Nice cars though for real!!!!!!!
:love: Rosalia206 :love:

2005 bcp XbThanks! Post pics of yours; let me know where they are. I love BCP xB's, of course...

:silly:

yeah man nice car. dont worry about that dude, hes just hating. alright man see you saturday. and then sunday.lol later

i love it TJ. awesome car. youve come a long way. definetly one of the better ones on this site. i applaud your work on it :clap:

scott

i love it TJ. awesome car. youve come a long way. definetly one of the better ones on this site. i applaud your work on it :clap:

scottThanks man...Thanks!

yeah man nice car. dont worry about that dude, hes just hating. alright man see you saturday. and then sunday.lol later :clap:

Thanks the kind words...

Who did that sunroof ??? I HAVE TO HAVE ONE! :)
Webasto, via my Dealer. And, about $1500.00 is what I paid, installed. Three years covered. So far, so good. My FAB FAV MOD, so far.

Hope that helps! And blackbow, let me know if/when you get your sunroof! Love to see pics of it![/quote]

=====================================================
TJandBOXCARWILLIE:

My wife and I think it looks great. We too have a Black Cherry Pearl xB and are thinking of installing one as well.

One question though, I think you have the Webasto Hollandia 524 GrandView Panoramic Sunroof. Assuming that is the case, I think that there are 4 "sunshades" that pull out (like a horizontal window shade) that shield any individual passenger. Are they perforated such that the sun right overhead still lets a lot of light (and heat) in? This as opposed to the typical solid sliding panel that a standard sunroof has.

If it does, in your Florida heat and sunshine, do you get too hot because of the sunshield not being solid? Would really like to know.

We are also thinking about installing a Zeta Storage Arm Rest as well.

You have a really cool xBox!

Thanks,

Alan

TJandBOXCARWILLIE:

My wife and I think it looks great. We too have a Black Cherry Pearl xB and are thinking of installing one as well.


Thanks Alan! Do get the sunroof. It's worth ever penny.

I think you have the Webasto Hollandia 524 GrandView Panoramic Sunroof. Assuming that is the case, I think that there are 4 "sunshades" that pull out (like a horizontal window shade) that shield any individual passenger. Are they perforated such that the sun right overhead still lets a lot of light (and heat) in? This as opposed to the typical solid sliding panel that a standard sunroof has.

If it does, in your Florida heat and sunshine, do you get too hot because of the sunshield not being solid? Would really like to know.


It is as you describe it, but no, no problem with 'lots of light (and heat)' as you put it. In fact, it stays really cool in there with the shades drawn. IMHO, of course. I do like a cool car...Not a big fan of the heat...(Yeah, I know, I live in Florida...but it's not always warm here...And I hate the cold north temps even more...)


We are also thinking about installing a Zeta Storage Arm Rest as well.

You have a really cool xBox!

Thanks,

Alan

RE: ARMREST: I like the dealer installed one I have, but to each his own.

Thanks fer the kind words! Let me know if you get the roof!

TJ and Boxcarwillie:

All I can say is: what a majestic piece of machinery! I stand in awe!
:bow:

TJ and Boxcarwillie:

All I can say is: what a majestic piece of machinery! I stand in awe!
:bow: :D

Thanks!

you're more than welcome..

for someone who took very little interest in cars and modding them, after buying my xB i finally understand what all the fuss is about. Thanks to scionlife and pristine examples, like your own, i am happily on my way to modifying to my hearts' content!



:crazy: :rolling:

My friend Adolph took these, and I want to thank him! They are great shots! :clap: :clap:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05053.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05030.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05015.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05010.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05008.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05006.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/TJandBOXCARWILLIE/SCIONINVASION05005.jpg

Again, thanks Adolph!!!
:bow: :bow:

There is a town south of dallas called Ovilla and i was down visiting friends the other day and went across the "boxcar willie memorial overpass" i seems that the singer was from this small town, didn't have digicam with me but will try to get a shot of the sign for you .

Thanks...that would be cool.

Hey there!

It's with somewhat a weird heart, that I have, sold my xB.

Yup. I bought a 2005 TOYOTA PRIUS instead. LOADED, with more features then any SCION has, that is for sure. And boy, is it QUIET.

AND: MUCH better gas mileage 60 MPG city. THAT is what I need!

Yup! And about the same room as the BOX!
I'll post some pics at some time. It's SUPER WHITE....Which is also nice in SUNNY SOUTH FLORIDA.
:clap:
I still have my xA. So I am still in the family.
MODS go ahead and lock this thread, thank you very much! Thanks for reading!

YOU SOLD THE BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOXCARWILLIE!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU SOLD THE BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOXCARWILLIE!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yup. Some reasons...

My BOX had 18,000 + miles on it. SO, if I waited till over 20,000, the trade in goes in the pooper. AND, I knew going in, that all the MODS I would do/did, would not ammount to much help when it came time to trade it in. And it did not. I did get a fair deal, but still.

Another reason: Poor gas mileage after the 18 inch rims were put on. I was getting about 36 MPG on the 15 inch stock ones, and the ENKI'S, but not later. And gas it way too much now...

Another reason: SAVE THE PLANET. Now my cousin and I drive the same cars...Bill drives a PRIUS as well...

And, I was done. I had really finished the car, but to go to another level in car shows, would require I sell my soul, so to speak. I like my former BOX, the way it looked. It was almost perfect.

So if you know anyone in SOUTH FLORIDA that wants to buy a Nice Box, used, head them to KING TOYOTA.

dang! i cant believe ya got rid of it. its an awesome box. good luck with the new prius!

Scott

dang! i cant believe ya got rid of it. its an awesome box. good luck with the new prius!

ScottThanks! Yeah, it's some kind of car. LOADED. I have yet to figure it all out...

NOOOOOOOO! How can you sleep at nights?? Your box will haunt you! :nope:

Are you going to pimp out the prius?What color is it?

Looks pretty good!

Jeebs! I hope whoever gets Willie takes good care of it.

But, I have to say, awesome choice in the Prius. My wife is a diehard Saturn owner but has said that her next car will be a Prius. Unless Saturn can cough up a hybrid in the next four years.

If I had the money for a Prius when I was looking, I might have had that instead of the xA. But I'm still getting 36-38 mpg on it. So that's good.

NOOOOOOOO! How can you sleep at nights?? Your box will haunt you! :nope:

Are you going to pimp out the prius?What color is it?Not so sure about haunt...but maybe fond memeories...

It's what TOYOTA calls SUPER WHITE (yes, that is what it is called.)

I will do some mods...In fact, who knows; maybe it will become the leader in mods for PRIUS...

Make sure to show pics when you get some mods :clap:
I have never seen a modded prius people should atleast put rims on them.

Oh and you might want to think about a screenname change

Make sure to show pics when you get some mods :clap:
I have never seen a modded prius people should atleast put rims on them.

Oh and you might want to think about a screenname changeHow do you change the screen name????

pm or email Darren

Jeebs! I hope whoever gets Willie takes good care of it.

But, I have to say, awesome choice in the Prius. My wife is a diehard Saturn owner but has said that her next car will be a Prius. Unless Saturn can cough up a hybrid in the next four years.

If I had the money for a Prius when I was looking, I might have had that instead of the xA. But I'm still getting 36-38 mpg on it. So that's good.

Didn't you used to post on nb.org? I'm assuming you don't have your NB anymore?

TJ, sorry you let the box go. I'll probably never get rid of mine, or my bug either.