which one do you guys like best which is easier to maintain because personally i love the sound of a good blow off but the whine of the supercharger is just as nice :twisted:

I can't chose. But I lean more towards the loud blow off valves! But yet again superchargers have that whistle sound! Oh well i guess i choose both.

As a tuner, turbos all the way!

I've never owned a supercharged car, but I would be willing to try it.

I'm going to have to say turbo, but with the scions I'd be worried about blowing stuff up...I.E. the rod problems that PT Cruisers were having when they released the turbo.

I'm sure TRD will have the tuning right though...at least, they'd better after making us wait so long!

but wont the supercharer and turbo produce the same amount of power? or does one make more than the other?
cause i would go wit the supercharger...just to be on the safe side...just so that i dont blow up my engine...hehehehe...http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_1_112.gif

I would go with the s/c, why because it produces more low in power and more importantly more low end torque which is really what "pushes" the car down the road. Turbo's are better at increasing highend power yes it does sound better but I believe a s/c gives you better results for this engine where it is needed plus I think it would be less wear and tear too, I do believe it's easier to blow up your engine with turbos. besides if you want a "racer" I would look elsewhere. Although the Tc sounds like that might be more of a "racer". I myself want one, but you can't deny the cool look of the xb. hope that helps

I personnally would go for the supercharger because of its reliability, drivability and nice power band. I already have 2 cars that need constant loving ( maintenance) and ones turbo and the others going to be...

but wont the supercharer and turbo produce the same amount of power? or does one make more than the other?
cause i would go wit the supercharger...just to be on the safe side...just so that i dont blow up my engine...hehehehe...http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_1_112.gif

actually the turbo produces more power than your average supercharger. Because of what they call parasitic drag. On the supercharger it take power to make power because its bel driven. While the turbo uses wasted exhaust gas, to make power...

our supercharger should be in for our project xB next week! Cross your fingers!

you lucky bastards....drew you better let me drive it next time i'm there! :?

you lucky bastards....drew you better let me drive it next time i'm there! :?

you got it!

Let's wait until we get everything installed and running first...I don't want to count chickens before they hatch. They've been promising us this supercharger since august, so I'll be happy if it actually shows up next week.

which one do you guys like best which is easier to maintain because personally i love the sound of a good blow off but the whine of the supercharger is just as nice :twisted:

easier to maintain is a super charger. a little less power though.

superchargers are pretty good instant throttle response power with pretty drastic fuel consumption while turbo's have mild to heavy lag with possibly huge gains and even huger (yes I know that's not even a word) implosions and of course not as drastic fuel consumption.

As the saying goes, "Go Big or Go Home!!!"

All for the turbo even with the knowledge we have rods the width of two #2 pencils.

here is an good write up on superchargers or turbos

http://www.speedoption.com/articles/3682/

while turbo's have mild to heavy lag with possibly huge gains and even huger (yes I know that's not even a word) implosions and of course not as drastic fuel consumption.


sorry your wrong... Turbos drink alot more fuel when your boosting. And as for the lag; you wouldnt have any lag with the properly sized turbo... You can have a turbo spin at 1500 rpm if you wanted too...

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our supercharger should be in for our project xB next week! Cross your fingers!


Hey Drew who's s/c Blitz, Trd someone else's? How much $ ? what are the gains? Thanks buddy

It's the Blitz!

We've been trying to get our hands on one for months, and they told us in August like "two more weeks."

Here we are, the last week of December and they say it's finally coming next week.
Anyway, as soon as we get it in and get her running, I'll let you guys know what's up. I'll get some pics too!

Drew

sorry your wrong... Turbos drink alot more fuel when your boosting. And as for the lag; you wouldnt have any lag with the properly sized turbo... You can have a turbo spin at 1500 rpm if you wanted too...

True but how much boost do you think an engine such as the 1NZ-FE can take? I'm basing it on our engines. I understand that at higher boost there is more fuel consumption. Hence lower boost required in our engines = lower fuel consumption.

After we aren't drive around in a boost friendly 3S-GTE such as yourself but hey once I get to your level...i'll definitely love to burn gas too. And thanks for pointing out the lag factor too but I meant the turbo lag in comparison to a non lagging supercharger.

sorry your wrong... Turbos drink alot more fuel when your boosting. And as for the lag; you wouldnt have any lag with the properly sized turbo... You can have a turbo spin at 1500 rpm if you wanted too...

True but how much boost do you think an engine such as the 1NZ-FE can take? I'm basing it on our engines. I understand that at higher boost there is more fuel consumption. Hence lower boost required in our engines = lower fuel consumption.

After we aren't drive around in a boost friendly 3S-GTE such as yourself but hey once I get to your level...i'll definitely love to burn gas too. And thanks for pointing out the lag factor too but I meant the turbo lag in comparison to a non lagging supercharger.

sorry to have came on too strong on that response... Its just that there is an HKS kit made for the Vitz and the BB in Japan. Its boosted aty 0.7bar and it makes nearly 160 whp and thats on the a 1nz-fe...

sorry to have came on too strong on that response... Its just that there is an HKS kit made for the Vitz and the BB in Japan. Its boosted aty 0.7bar and it makes nearly 160 whp and thats on the a 1nz-fe...

All good...that's what forums are for right? :wink:

Anyway JDM kits are always the sh!@t, but so is the gas there. I wish we could run the same octane they do but unfortunately we either have to search for gas stations or wait for the track to get stuff that's even close. So detonation is something we would definitely have to worry about especially with 10.6 compression and french fry thick rods. Also I hear that the ECU's are setup differently here so fuel management would also be another consideration to factor in.

Either way any type of forced induction is cool with me. I just want to see someone do it already since I don't have the bank to drop on a project like that.

So Wraith, what's on your Camry sleeper "kill list" ?

I'm a turbo kinda guy. I had an mx6 that was turbo charged. The best part is that you can cang out the parts to get more power. Superchargers give you power, but what ever they give you you're stuck with. that's just a SC'er for ya. :P :P

So Wraith, what's on your Camry sleeper "kill list" ?

Mustang Cobras
Z28 Camaros
S/C'ed or N/A Solaras
WRX turbo
GST Esclipse
3RD Gen MR2 Turbo
'96 Impala ( no sure what the year was)
2000 Firebird ( not the WS6 ones just the stock one with headers and exhaust)
Ford Lightning
Integras
2000 Jackson Racing Supercharged Civic
Greddy Turbo'ed Civic
Audi A4's
TRD S/C'ed Tacoma ( running 14.1 in Palmdale)
RX7 ( raced it on the freeway)
2002 or is it 2003 BMW M3 ( the one with the 333hp)
too many too list...

these kills were done with 18 psi of boost instead of 13psi ... My quarter mile runs and my dyno pull was made on 13psi of boost...

Thanks Drew let me know how that goes.

the post is really asking what is easier to maintain. it is known that a supercharge is by far the easiest to maintain.

wraith, did you ever race the ws6? if so what was the outcome? i raced one with my b18 supercharged hb when i had it and i lost not bad tho my front bumper was at her rear

i've been wanting a Blitz s/c, but have heard stories about the xB not running right due to the wrong mapping!?!

anyone? Mark?

i've been wanting a Blitz s/c, but have heard stories about the xB not running right due to the wrong mapping!?!

anyone? Mark?

we'll let you know how it goes!

wraith, did you ever race the ws6? if so what was the outcome? i raced one with my b18 supercharged hb when i had it and i lost not bad tho my front bumper was at her rear

I've raced a WS6 and SS camaro's highway race I walk on them after 80mph. Dead stop I can hang with the nose to nose at 18psi of boost.

It really depends on the type of power delivery you want. There are many different types of superchargers out there, the classic roots type that pushes air through the intake, to a centrifigal (sp?) supercharger that is pretty much a belt driven turbo. The roots type blower will generally give you more bottom end punch to get you moving, and depending on the head design and other factors can provide good power all the way to redline. The centrifigal usually lacks low end power but has a nice kick at the top. There is also a twin screw type supercharger that internally compresses the air and releases it into the intake tract, usually resulting in sick amounts of torque in the lower rpm range.

All forced induction can be set up to have easy maintenace, however people usually mess around with turbos more. The reason tpeople seem to mess around with their cars is that it is so much easier to up the boost on a turbo than on a supercharger. Coming from the miata world, I have seen and driven 200+ HP supercharged and turbo cars, 1.6Liters and 1.8Liters, and they both can be extremely reliable, it really comes down to the tuning of the complete system that makes one need more fiddling or not.

As for the Scion, either system will work just fine, it really is going to come down to how you like your torque curve. I will probably do a supercharger, just because the exhaust exits out torwards the firewall, which makes it a little harder to install a turbo back there. Where you can install a supercharger up front and pipe it into the intake a lot easier.

Take Care,
Dave

edited for my bad spelling

As a tuner, turbos all the way!

TRUE THAT!! Although turbo tuning sucks... pull after pull after pull after pull..........

But coming from the turbo on my DSM, AND riding a several S/C cars.. I'd have to say.. nothing compares to the feeling to LAG then the sudden rush of boost where you ___ gets planted to seat, your tires break loose and you pray to god everything goes right for that 13 secs of pure acceleration. GOD.. nothing can wipe the smile off of your face when you stay bumper to bumper with another car while your spooling.. then reaching full boost WALKING the other guy and watching his expression as you coast back down to normal speeds.... :( I miss my eclipse....

What's all this talk about forced induction anyway? Let's see a all motor. 1.5L 13s box... full interior.

Probly S/C, it is easier to me...


Doc

All forced induction can be set up to have easy maintenace, however people usually mess around with turbos more.



Agreed.

And I'm here to say this plainly, and get rid of all this talk about "turbos need to much upkeep." People who say that turbos require more maintainance shouldn't be getting turbos in the first place. PERIOD.

Drew, I think you are going to have along line of people wanting to drive the SC xB. So...what say you and me hook up for a little private meeting before letting everyone else know what's up? :shock: :twisted: :lol:

i've been wanting a Blitz s/c, but have heard stories about the xB not running right due to the wrong mapping!?!

anyone? Mark?

we'll let you know how it goes!

Thanks! I may have to go back to my original plan and get the Blitz SC if it works out good! I love my box and just want a tad bit more umph to it.

All forced induction can be set up to have easy maintenace, however people usually mess around with turbos more.



Agreed.

And I'm here to say this plainly, and get rid of all this talk about "turbos need to much upkeep." People who say that turbos require more maintainance shouldn't be getting turbos in the first place. PERIOD.

thats very true... The only time this more maintenance comes into play is went your pushing ungodly amounts of boost and making a cr@p load of horsepower...

thats very true... The only time this more maintenance comes into play is went your pushing ungodly amounts of boost and making a cr@p load of horsepower...

Or when you have a horrible installation job with horrible tuning.