View Full Version : ATN: TSB for all '04 thru '05 Scion Xb A/C Systems


XBman
09-24-2004, 12:24 AM
YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ive been telling the company for months about this!!!!!!! its about time.
where did u hear bout this???

KevinxB
09-24-2004, 12:37 AM
FINALLY! :P

Carmax, here I come!

mikochu
09-24-2004, 12:39 AM
how about the xA? :cry:

Huskersnow
09-24-2004, 12:45 AM
TSB number please.

juan_pico
09-24-2004, 12:53 AM
How long will the car need to be at the dealer,2-3 days? Does this mean it will get cooler in the car alot quicker? Drove a Ford F-150 before buying the xb for better fuel economy, but the a/c in that ford was the best . I owned that thing for 10 years with no a/c problems at all.

fr130
09-24-2004, 01:04 AM
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! But um, summer officially ended Yesterday :lol:


Remember, go to a dealer that allows you to get a FREE LOANER car!!

fr130
09-24-2004, 01:05 AM
FINALLY! :P

Carmax, here I come!

Dude, does CarMax have loaner cars? I know Russel has them. Should be free like the last time.

underESTIMATED
09-24-2004, 03:03 AM
Thank you very much.

its_ikon
09-24-2004, 03:08 AM
is there a tsb number to go with this?

KevinxB
09-24-2004, 03:23 AM
Dude, does CarMax have loaner cars? I know Russel has them. Should be free like the last time.

Yep. I think they said if the dealer has to keep your car for more than a certain amount of time (maybe 8 hrs, but don't quote me) for warranty work, they have to provide a loaner car free of charge.

Carmax seems to be in the habit of not ordering parts until I physically drop my car off there, so I had loaners from them for like 3 days straight before on two different occasions. Once to have my accys installed, then for replacing a dash panel. The first time it was an Avalon (the Buick of Toyotas)...second time it was an xA.

XBOXED
09-24-2004, 03:33 AM
HAHA your right, our maxima (01) need some AC work done under warranty.
CARMAX gave us a ____ty ford taurus for like the whole week, with blown front struts and a Cd player that skipped like a mother.....

But their service is great........

My mom calls it the wal mart of Car sales(lol)

Back_In_Black_xA
09-24-2004, 04:16 AM
By the way this effects the xA as well. I just looked up 2005 xA and it shows this TSB as well, its number is AC006-04, the xB's is AC007-04.

Work has been slow lately so maybe I can do this to my car one night to boost my hours. I don't know though I might wait until next spring to do this. That way I can see others do it and no how to short cut all that stuff.

fr130
09-24-2004, 04:17 AM
[The first time it was an Avalon (the Buick of Toyotas)...second time it was an xA.

Dont be hatin the Avalon. I had an '04 Avalon loaner. Nice leather seats, sunroof, wood/leather steering wheel. :D

I may take "tc is for turbo charged" advice and check out the Scion dealer in Glen Burnie. He said they have the regions best techs or most awards. The Mid-Atlantic Toyota parts warehouse is located in Glen Burnie as well. Not sure about the loaner car. Russel didnt ask me questions other than if I was 23 or older or not.

djct_watt
09-24-2004, 06:59 AM
how long does the whole job take?

UnFocused
09-24-2004, 07:42 AM
So does anyone know for sure what it replaces/what the tech does on the 05's?- Because I have always felt that my a/c gets cold enough.....

superjeer
09-24-2004, 01:26 PM
YES! And now that it's only 54 degrees here for a high.. figures. I'm taking mine in.

deager
09-24-2004, 05:30 PM
Will 2004 xB owners be notified to take their car in, or should we contact our dealer on our own? Also, is there anywhere you can get a copy of the actual TSB?

CorollasBest
09-24-2004, 11:48 PM
I'll have it in 2 weeks when alldata releases the TSB, but until then.... I dunno how to get it.

superjeer
09-25-2004, 12:40 AM
hmmmm.. that's odd :)
someone got canned or lied. I hope the second :(

its_ikon
09-25-2004, 04:20 AM
I'll have it in 2 weeks when alldata releases the TSB, but until then.... I dunno how to get it.

i called my dad to check out the tsb and it is not out to the dealers yet. everyone will have to hold on until the dealers get the info. my dad even ran my vin to check it and it was still no luck.

since this is 5 flag hours my dad mentioned this would take about 6-7 hours since techs only get 1/2 the hours on warranty work. you will want to be there to drop off the car when the dealership opens

7red7
09-25-2004, 11:49 AM
Wait so theres finally a TSB for the a/c not blowing cold enough??? What exactly are they doing to the system to remedy the situation???

Does anyone know "For sure" what's being done??? :D

DAN

George
09-25-2004, 09:35 PM
There was a TSB issued in February of 2004, TSB AC-002-04, affecting xAs before VIN JTKKT6#4*40057435 and xBs before VIN JTLKT3#4*40142587.

Basically, it is a readjustment of the air-mix cable and supposedly takes 0.6 hours to perform.

Is there a second TSB out there?

George

CorollasBest
09-25-2004, 11:49 PM
http://www.corollatoys.com/TSB/Scion.htm
Thanks to some help from SuperJeer

superjeer
09-26-2004, 01:16 AM
just paged through it. Thanks 'Best. Noticed they have to take the bumper cover off. I hope they don't _____ about my b cool.

its_ikon
09-26-2004, 02:28 AM
xA (http://www.corollatoys.com/images/temp/ac006t04.pdf)
xB (http://www.corollatoys.com/images/temp/ac007t04.pdf)

Thanks to some help from SuperJeer

added to the tsb thread.

thanks

WheelSee
09-27-2004, 05:43 AM
so can I say that eh I don't feel like the AC is blowing cool enough(which during the summer I didn't) can I get have this TSB done...

~wC

UnFocused
09-27-2004, 06:57 AM
HOLY CRAP!!! Look at the TSB!!! 27 pages long!!!!

Im sorry, But I always have felt my a/c blows cold enough!! And to me, its certainly not worth it to have a Tech practially rip my car apart to make the a/c a little cooler.
Mine gets FREEZING for god sakes!. For 04's they have to take the bumper off!!!

No thanks, If my a/c gets worse I will get it done- I guess I have my 3 year/36k warrenty to do it-

One thing I noticed with my xB is when you turn the a/c on- it bareley disturbs the engine- and 1/2 the time, the cooling fan doesnt even come on!
On my old focus, you would turn on the a/c in the middle of winter- and both fans would come on!!

My point is since my xB with the current a/c: It hardly lessens engine power- and I always get 33 plus MPG with it on!
I dought with the new one that this will stay the same!

People who get the TSB done right away- tell me if you notice a difference!!!!

bB2NER
09-27-2004, 07:29 AM
I sure hope I don't need to have that done! I don't think I want someone doing that to my box there is too much room for errors and scratches, not to mention having it out of my sight for that long of a period. And what about all the mods performed like the front LED's are the gonna replace a broken LED tube if they F#%k it up. I thought Toyotas weren't suposed to have crap like this happen???? what's up TOYOTA :twisted:

UnFocused
09-27-2004, 03:16 PM
I know what you mean- Im certainly not getting it done unless it gets worse!

Its a TSB , Not a recall though- my focus had 100's of theses - DONT WORRY!!- Its common among all cars!!!

fr130
09-27-2004, 05:48 PM
I scheduled mine for tomorrow. Since I have close to 15K miles on the xB, I want to kill two birds with one stone. The Scion Service guy (Ben) at Russel Toyota in Maryland owns a tC. The 15K miles service from them is only $191.60 compared to CarMax which is $230.

If the part is not available, I can continue to keep the loaner until the job is complete. Hopefully it's not a Scion. Hopefully they let me drive another Avalon or something faster than the xB. :D

fr130
09-29-2004, 01:02 AM
The box went in for it's 15K service today. They performed temp testing and found that the temp was at 50F and should be around 40-45F. Not sure if that is the lowest setting with fresh, non-circulated air. The TSB states once things are replaced to check the temp on the lowest setting and fresh air. BTW, the box also completed the Max Cool switch TSB (dated Feb 04, 2004). That TSB didnt really do anything.

They had to order parts. At least for me, i didnt have to wait weeks for parts from Japan :) I wonder if the parts are made in Japan or American made but with Toyota specs :? I will keep the loaner overnight ('04 Camry 2AZFE). Parts should arrive tomorrow as well as the completion of the TSB.

Will C, Ben (the russel rep) knows you. He was at the Scions Invade Columbia Mall event on 9/11.

WheelSee
09-29-2004, 02:10 AM
Will C, Ben (the russel rep) knows you. He was at the Scions Invade Columbia Mall event on 9/11.

yeah I'm gonna go up there and talk to him later this month...I want a couple people to get this done first to see if it has any affect on egine idle/gas mileage etc....


~wC

bobbyboshay
09-29-2004, 02:24 AM
Oh well looks like more parts for me to ship out, Can you say OT

rolex87
09-29-2004, 02:35 AM
I recently had this adjustment done. Upon having the car disassembled, Roseville Toyota said that a mixer door within the AC unit was warped and the unit needed to be replaced. Well, about 2 weeks later, the parts were replaced, but the car was assembled improperly. The AC works much better now, but the adjustment lever for recirculate/vent function is really weak, and I can almost blow it from one side to the other. The service techs said it was "normal" and they're seeing this kind of problem within lots of other Scions. But, they also played with my stereo and most interior electrical functions don't work, so should I believe them? lol

I go in Thursday morning (7:30 am on my friggin day off, and I have class) to have everything put back, hopefully in the right places.

Mike R.
rolex87

fr130
10-02-2004, 01:50 AM
Well... it took awhile. Actually I changed my mind. They told me Tues/orWed but due to increase work load, the TSB fix was pushed to Monday of next week. I need my lunch box. :D. I also dont want to be a guinea pig. I'll let someone else be one :shock: :lol:

BTW, my front left wheel has no wheel weights. The other three have different weights. Vibrates like there's no tomorrow. Hmmm...1-866-70-SCION on Monday. :lol: EDIT, to make sure there is no misunderstanding :):Naw, I'll call em (service dept.) tomorrow.

scionracerxb
10-02-2004, 02:08 AM
i had this tsb done quite a while ago. and i definately made a big difference in the coldness of the a/c. from what they told me, all they did was adjust the mixture cable. they didn't take off my front bumper tho. i know for sure, cuz i took the car in uber-dirty on purpose so i could see where they touched the car! they did end up keeping the car overnight tho, but that was cuz they were fixing my trd exhaust and were waiting on a part. i did get a rental. an 04 corolla. man those cars are crappy compared to ours. felt really tin-can like. :shock:

WheelSee
10-02-2004, 02:15 AM
i had this tsb done quite a while ago. and i definately made a big difference in the coldness of the a/c. from what they told me, all they did was adjust the mixture cable. they didn't take off my front bumper tho. i know for sure, cuz i took the car in uber-dirty on purpose so i could see where they touched the car! they did end up keeping the car overnight tho, but that was cuz they were fixing my trd exhaust and were waiting on a part. i did get a rental. an 04 corolla. man those cars are crappy compared to ours. felt really tin-can like. :shock:


different TSB...this is one that just came out on the 24th....

~wC

Dewmerz
10-06-2004, 01:28 AM
I was brave and had this TSB done today even though reading the pdf file scared me with all of the things they had to do. It took the tech most of the day but I have my xB back and have nice cold air blowing out of the vents. On the lowest setting it felt closer to the AC we have on the Corolla. The true test will be how quick the interior cools down tomorrow after sitting in the sun until lunch.

Nothing fell off of the car on the way home doing 80mph with the AC on so I think they put it back together correctly. :lol: