We've got Power Enterprise's supercharger kit for the xB in stock but Detroit is not yet crawling with Scions so we're looking for someone interested in having the unit installed on their vehicle. The installation would be done free of charge, and the car would be dyno'd before and after also free of charge. The unit would also be discounted slightly from the normal $3159 kit price. We need to do one install before we start selling the kits to other customers so we can verify that the kit works as designed on US-spec vehicles with US-spec gasoline. Performance will be closely monitored during the dyno testing so there's no danger to the engine. Expected horsepower gain is at least 30%.

Please drop us a line if you're serious about coming to Detroit to have the unit installed. We'd like to get someone in ASAP, there are a few distant customers waiting for this prove-out so they can buy kits.

Thanks,

Matt @ Monkeywrench
info@monkeywrenchracing.com
http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com

Man if you weren't so far away i would do it. Hey, test it on an automatic Xb because i heard the blitz superchager had problems with the automatic, so us people with the slowmatics know we are problem free if we buy the PE system. Thanks.

which kit is it? they have 2 listed one that retails for $2800 and one that retails for $3800. either way that price you got isn't bad. i just wish the kit look looked a lil' bit nicer like the blitz one. but p.e. stuff is pretty good they usually use ihi ballbearing turbos in most kits.

How much you gonna charge us for the kit. I would be interested in doing this, but I want to know how much first.

The Blitz kit has a problem with the automatic because it uses the Apex Power FC to replace the stock ECU. The PE kit addresses the tuning differently, so transmission type should not matter at all.

This is the PE supercharger kit - retail is $3480.

We can do the kit, install, and dyno for under $3k. Interested?

I think I will pass on that one but thank you.

so you want a guinea pig that will pay for the parts and after everything goes great you will sell them left and right and make money off of my info. Sorry man, homie don't play that.

Hmmmmm, Hey Monkey, maybe you should ask for a vehicle that you will comp the kit and all for the fact that it is a test mule and you will be profiting from the results.... Id think about it for a free kit, other wise the down side is too great! thanks man!
X BOXX

hell id drive out there in my xb for a free kit, but 3 g's for a prototype ill pass but thanks

hell id drive out there in my xb for a free kit, but 3 g's for a prototype ill pass but thanks

Yeah seriously... Could you imagine driving all that way, and when you find out it doesn't work, what do they say "Oh well, thanks anyways, go home now."? ____ that...

LOL...SO you guys want someone to take their brand new car over to your place so you can TEST ____ out but have them pay 3k to let you ____ around and "see if it all fits and works"

Please, rethink your business plan--because this obviously in the customers best interest. Money will come, but not by making us feel like all we are needed for is our vehicles.

Good Luck...oh and btw...i have some stuff i wanna try out on any of you so cal guys scions...it retails for near 10,000 but hell, let me test it out on your cars, and I'll only charge 9,500 for being a lab rat.

yeah, monkeywrench. you are making power enterprise look like a pretty low budget operation. you guys should consider buying a scion, do your work on it, and then sell it when you're done. besides, $3400 is too expensive for a supercharger for our small cars. not worth it.

hell id drive out there in my xb for a free kit, but 3 g's for a prototype ill pass but thanks

Yeah seriously... Could you imagine driving all that way, and when you find out it doesn't work, what do they say "Oh well, thanks anyways, go home now."? ____ that...

You'll be lucky if your car can still make it back in one piece after all the test. You have to pay for the test, the plane ticket to fly back, the time. Wow, some great deal.

hell id drive out there in my xb for a free kit, but 3 g's for a prototype ill pass but thanks

Yeah seriously... Could you imagine driving all that way, and when you find out it doesn't work, what do they say "Oh well, thanks anyways, go home now."? ____ that...

You'll be lucky if your car can still make it back in one piece after all the test. You have to pay for the test, the plane ticket to fly back, the time. Wow, some great deal.

I agree pretty wack if you ask me. But seriousely look at the name: MONKY WRENCH RACING!! I think the name says it all

Hey no need to get ____ed off. We just don't have to spend $3,400 on something like that. I do agree though it is pretty messed up. But hey if they want to design or test parts on the Scion they should just get their own Scion.[/img]

:?: Is it just me, or is 3 grand plus, for 30 bhp a bit extreme?

its a rip off

I rather go with the blitz s/c or some other name brand kit. Screw the not-free or not 1/2 off supercharger. Got to be careful.

Area 51 Fabrications in Irvine, California blew my friends GS300 motor with their prototype supercharger and made him pay for the blown motor. I actually posted a comment on Speed Options and Area 51 couldn't say crap about blowing my friends motor, but that their other customer with the IS300 motor that was blown was satisfied with them. Can you believe Area51 actually made my friend pay? Some B.S.

Stick with the name brand and some reliable and reputable company.

speakin of area 51 they opened back up in the bay area. does anyone got their number? they owe me $1200 for a body kit i ordered last year and still haven't seen anything.

>so you want a guinea pig that will pay for the parts and after everything goes great
>you will sell them left and right and make money off of my info. Sorry man, homie
>don't play that.

Looking for a customer to pay a DISCOUNTED price for the parts, and to get the labor and dyno for free. Not a bad value.

This is not an untested prototype. It's a kit that's been in production for a while in Japan, and has been used with good results. We don't sell parts or kits that we don't have 100% confidence in though, so we want to verify that function is 100% right on a US model vehicle before we start selling them to people to install themselves. It's also not a radical kit built for racing, so the possibility of engine damage is next to nothing. The whole point here is to get the kit tested so that Scion owners will immediately have access to a significant power adder.

For reference, PE produces a turbo kit for the Japanese MR2 Spyder. We started importing them and installed the first one on our shop MR2-S. Function was good so we started selling them. Since then, we've come up with some add-ons that make the kit even better. I'd love to go buy a Scion to test this part on, but that's a lot of expense just to verify the function of this kit. And judging by the responses in this thread, there probably isn't the market for power adders for the Scion to justify it.

First of all--plenty of people want more power out of their Scion--I don't know how you make a comment like that "based on the response in this thread"--because the only responses in this thread are that you are charing way too much for what you want to do.

Most if not ALL aftermarket companies work an agreement to at least give the first customer/prototype product for FREE to the car that is used to test it on. Think about it this way...what's one free kit to the car that comes all the way to detriot to get it tested--do you not have enough confidence in the kit, that after it fits ok and works well on that first car, that it won't sell to others with a Scion?

I still don't know why you guys want 3k for the first one...I mean, you seem to be missing the point--THE MONEY WILL COME IN AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL MAKE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER THAT 3k ON THE FIRST KIT--by showing this side of things, it kinda sends the wrong impression--that you are more worried about the $$$ than making the customers happy.

JDMxB is exaclty correct. Not even top notch companies give prototypes at almost msrp. They will give it to you at a high discount rate or free.

Someone would probably do it if it was for free. From California to Detroit is a gang of gas and milage. Trailering it will even cost more. You have better luck when you find a client in Detroit.

Not only your company has a supercharger. A lot of companies are working on turbos and supercharges. So good luck trying selling a prototype that needs more work for 3g's.

Think about it and talk it out with the Marketing Manager!

>Most if not ALL aftermarket companies work an agreement to at least give the first
>customer/prototype product for FREE

Again, I'll emphasize that this isn't a prototype that MWR has designed. This is a production kit that's been for sale in Japan for quite a while, and is designed and built by one of Japan's top tuner shops. We just want to verify function on a US vehicle, nothing more. It's not a part that's exclusive to us. It's also not a kit that I think we'll sell tons of- it's a high end supercharger kit for a relatively low cost vehicle. We do have a few customers who are interested though, and won't start selling them to US customers until we have full confidence in it.

Giving away a free exhaust to the customer who gives a company the use of their car for a week for design and fitment use makes sense- it costs next to nothing in materials to build an exhaust. That is not a case that's comparable to what we're offering. We're looking to do a free install of a discounted product made by another company. We're certainly not making money on this one. It would be easier if there were a lot of Scions in Detroit- that's not the case. Unfortunate I guess. The offer remains open, please let me know if any of you are interested.

If you have a few customers intrested have one of them come over and do the test fitment. I am sure that if they are intrested in purchasing the kit as you said then they will gladly drive or trailer their ride there for free labor, dyno and discounted pricing on a kit they were already going to buy.

That's what I was hoping, but the trek from California is too much for many people. I guess we'll just wait until the Scion gets popular in Detroit.

As we've made public, the retail price set by Power Enterprise is $3480. Our price will most likely be $3159. Yes, it's expensive compared to the vehicle's purchase price. If that means there's no market for it than so be it.

i think if you guys were in california or if we were in michigan it would be a different story. that's probably why there is so much negativity here. i think it would be an ok deal if we didn't have to drive so far. soon there will be scions in michigan for you to prototype the parts. but you guys should hurry because there are already several big companies that have actual working supercharger kits right now. i saw the blitz one in person and it looks nice. it even drove with us on a scion run. also i'm sure vortech and trd will ahve their own supercharger kits coming soon as well. not to mention all the companies putting together turbo kits.

First of all--plenty of people want more power out of their Scion--I don't know how you make a comment like that "based on the response in this thread"--because the only responses in this thread are that you are charing way too much for what you want to do.

Most if not ALL aftermarket companies work an agreement to at least give the first customer/prototype product for FREE to the car that is used to test it on. Think about it this way...what's one free kit to the car that comes all the way to detriot to get it tested--do you not have enough confidence in the kit, that after it fits ok and works well on that first car, that it won't sell to others with a Scion?

I still don't know why you guys want 3k for the first one...I mean, you seem to be missing the point--THE MONEY WILL COME IN AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL MAKE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER THAT 3k ON THE FIRST KIT--by showing this side of things, it kinda sends the wrong impression--that you are more worried about the $$$ than making the customers happy.

Monkeywrench Racing is one of our most respected dealers, and they are, as much as we are, listed and fully acknowledged to be an authorized source of Power Enterprise products in the USA. I'm certain that if the kit was provided to MWR free of charge, Matt will kindly offer the kit "free of charge" to anyone willing to allow testing to be done on their vehicle. However, in this case, it is not.

I'm sorry to say but in this particular case, MWR is indeed trying their best to work with owners of the Scion xB. Power's Japan was approached by us, and I'm sure by others, in regards to obtaining a kit to "test" the product with, however, as it shows here, their decision was pretty much "final" by Power's Japan that a free kit will not be issued. We understand that in THIS market (US Market), companies providing test components free of charge is a standard proceedure, however, Power's is a Japanese company, and I can not reiterate how different their business practices are overseas.

We also contemplated in purchasing an xB for the purpose of testing this kit as we did with a 350z for prototyping a turbo system that Power's Japan was developing. Yes, we actually purchased a 350z track edition to help them develop a turbo kit for the US market. However, their level of gratitude with our assistance has easily led us to decide never to do that again (purchase a vehicle for the purpose of testing). We got absolutely nothing out of the deal with the 350z. Basically, I am sharing this information with you so that you can better see the differences between the US method of doing business vs. the Japanese method of doing business.

Anyways, the Power's supercharger was developed for the bB in Japan with the same exact engine. Everything looks like it will work, and the president of Power's Japan reassured us that it will....however, it's hard to set that information in concrete unless one is actually fitted onto a US car. For those who are thinking that Power's is a "small company", you're right. They are. They are not like the "big boys" like HKS, GReddy, Blitz....but you know what, EACH ONE OF THEM RUN POWER'S PARTS ON THEIR VERY OWN PROFESSIONAL RACE CARS IN JAPAN. Each one of them....EACH ONE OF THEM. Let me give you an example. If it's a car, and it's racing in Japan professionally, it's most likely using a Power Enterprise timing belt. Power Enterprise may be a small company, but it surely is one of the most respected companies in Japan.

Power's is a Japanese company, and I can not reiterate how different their business practices are overseas.

RB Motoring, with all due respect, I can not disagree more. When we go to Japan for business, we have to follow their business model. We can not "implement" we do work here with them. Same thing here. If they are not willing to work with the system here, they will fall that much behind. Now, with that said, I am not by all means saying that all the companies should give out their first product as free for a testing purpose. Some companies do need support to make their wonderful products known. However, I see so many companies from Japan and Korea trying to break in to US market. But, are not willing to work with/understand/conform to how the business is practiced here.

As we've made public, the retail price set by Power Enterprise is $3480. Our price will most likely be $3159. Yes, it's expensive compared to the vehicle's purchase price. If that means there's no market for it than so be it.

And Monkeywrench, why would you push this product so much if you acknowledge that the kit is "expensive"? You are right. I say about 95% of Scion buyers are wanting more power. But, you are not going to gain customers by maintaining a thread like this.

-First of all, you will be competing against companies like Blitz and HKS. But, you dont' sound too convinced of the product you are selling.

-Second of all, they way you have been treating your potential clients in this forum has been not very professional. Granted, most of people haven't been too nice either, if you are a business person, you should remain deplomatic for other people who are checking out this thread.

-Thirdly, You kept saying that this is not a prototype kit and it has been tested in Japan for many years. Then, you shouldn't be saying things like that you want to "test it out". Because you are putting doubts in your potential customer. Why would anyone buy a product that the seller is not even sure of?

-Lastly, about $300 difference is not worth it for anyone to drive all the say from LA to detroit to install an untested kit. I mean... would you have done it if you were a Scion owner?

Thank you for listening to my humble opinion. I hope you won't be too much offended by my comments.

[quote]Power's is a Japanese company, and I can not reiterate how different their business practices are overseas.

RB Motoring, with all due respect, I can not disagree more. When we go to Japan for business, we have to follow their business model. We can not "implement" we do work here with them. Same thing here. If they are not willing to work with the system here, they will fall that much behind. Now, with that said, I am not by all means saying that all the companies should give out their first product as free for a testing purpose. Some companies do need support to make their wonderful products known. However, I see so many companies from Japan and Korea trying to break in to US market. But, are not willing to work with/understand/conform to how the business is practiced here.

Did you mean to say that you are "agreeing" with me?

I guess I am affirming the fact that business practice are done differently. But, you are making it sound like you are condoning how Power is trying to do business in US the way they do in Japan. I am saying it shouldn't be done that way.

Good business practice should be emulated. But, this has nothing to do with that. If they have a rule not to give their test product out for free, that's fine. But, dont' make that part of your business practice as something to be proud of. Because it's not goign to help the company's image too high.

Also, I already acknowledged that this unwritten rule of giving out test products for free is not a golden rule. And we as consumers have to learn to support companies who can not afford to run their business this way.

I am making bigger issue out of how this particular thread is handled. Even if your customers aren't showing too much maturity, you should treat them with respect. I am more refering to Monkeywrench...

I guess I am affirming the fact that business practice are done differently. But, you are making it sound like you are condoning how Power is trying to do business in US the way they do in Japan. I am saying it shouldn't be done that way.

Good business practice should be emulated. But, this has nothing to do with that. If they have a rule not to give their test product out for free, that's fine. But, dont' make that part of your business practice as something to be proud of. Because it's not goign to help the company's image too high.

Also, I already acknowledged that this unwritten rule of giving out test products for free is not a golden rule. And we as consumers have to learn to support companies who can not afford to run their business this way.

I am making bigger issue out of how this particular thread is handled. Even if your customers aren't showing too much maturity, you should treat them with respect. I am more refering to Monkeywrench...

I'm not saying that I agree with Power's Japan. I feel it shouldn't be that way either. I think we see eye to eye, it's just that you read my stuff all wrong. Power's should issue a free kit.

Wow.

I think that Monkey Wrench has a perfectly good offer. He wants to bring the supercharger over from Japan but not unless it works as well on the US-Spec Scion as it does on the Jap-Spec Toyota. Because of the high cust he can;t just order one for the hell of it, so he has to pass that cost on the the first buyer. He isn't forcing anyone to drive from Cali... there are Scion owners all over the US now.

The REAL question is this: Will Monkey Wrench guarantee the install 100%? If the unit is installed correctly and works that is great, but if it does not work or breaks the engine will eveyrthing be taken care of? And will the owner of the vehicle be compensated if he ultimately drives away a month later with a rebuilt engine and no supercharger? Hmmmm...

If it were my company I would give this gaurantee right up front, and I am guessing that Monkey Wrench would back this up, but I would like to see it in writing. :)

Darren

Wow.

I think that Monkey Wrench has a perfectly good offer. He wants to bring the supercharger over from Japan but not unless it works as well on the US-Spec Scion as it does on the Jap-Spec Toyota. Because of the high cust he can;t just order one for the hell of it, so he has to pass that cost on the the first buyer. He isn't forcing anyone to drive from Cali... there are Scion owners all over the US now.

The REAL question is this: Will Monkey Wrench guarantee the install 100%? If the unit is installed correctly and works that is great, but if it does not work or breaks the engine will eveyrthing be taken care of? And will the owner of the vehicle be compensated if he ultimately drives away a month later with a rebuilt engine and no supercharger? Hmmmm...

If it were my company I would give this gaurantee right up front, and I am guessing that Monkey Wrench would back this up, but I would like to see it in writing. :)


Darren

Exactly! This is why it should be the manufacturer to shoulder the burden of this. It's difficult to get a tuning shop to shoulder this kind of burden, as it honestly should not be their liability of the product was installed 100% correct. Even then, the end user must still understand that the engine has now been modified and there are certain risks that are involved with that entire aspect as well, regardless.

Well, according to the manufacturer, Power Enterprises, it fits....and it works -- even on a US spec car. I don't know how they arrived to that conclusion, however, perhaps they have already performed their own research on the subject and we just don't know. Power Enterprises has a US office they have established here, however, there is nobody qualified there to handle these types of inquries. We, RB Motoring, stand here as their largest US distributor.

MWR is in good standing with our company. I can say that MWR seems to be a reputable place of business, and perhaps we should simply have faith in knowing that MWR knows what they are doing...

Alright....so who's gonna help MKW fullfill their prophecy?! Think of it like this....the help you can give will help ALL Scion owners throughout the USA!

Seperate from the discounted price of the supercharger, I think many people are overlooking the free labor for the install.

Dyno runs are fairly cheap and aren't the real incentive here... the no-cost install is.

If Monkeywrench was fabricating a kit from the ground up, paying close to retail would be quite a high price... but this isn't the case.

PE already has the kits in the Japanese market. There hasn't been one installed yet in the US.... this appears to be all Matt is trying to do. Find a donor Scion to make sure all the brackets, etc fit for the US-spec car.

From the "heat" inside this thread it seems the labor has been overlooked. Maybe if Matt were to quote what the installed price will be people might start to see the value of this offer?

Personally I've had too many bad experience with tuners and shops working on my past cars. I'd be willing to be the PE guinea pig myself, but I'd want to be the one turning the wrenches. The offer that Monkeywrench is making doesn't fit with that situation, so all I can say is someone in Michigan is going to be a happy camper soon!

Agreed!

Guys, I don't own a Scion, but I do know that if I were going to have a turbo installed in my MR2 Spyder, Monkeywrench Racing is the ONLY place I would go. With the MR2 there is alot of careful work and tuning that needs to be done to ensure that the turbo works properly and reliably. Anyone you talk to with a Spyder turboed by Monkeywrench will give them rave reviews. If there is any doubt about trusting Matt and the guys at Monkeywrench with your car, trust me when I say you would be in good hands. Us MR2 owners pay alot more money (Around $5000) to have our cars properly turboed for about the same percentage hp gain, so I don't see <$3000 as being overly expensive. Especially when you take into account the price it would be to install, dyno, and fine tune. It not as easy as just slapping in the Supercharger and going along your merry way. I bet to buy a kit like this and have it installed and tuned would easy be around $4000 or more. A 30 hp gain might not sound like much, but in such a low powered car that gain is quite large. The person that decides to bite the bullet and do this will be a lucky man. BTW, I like the site guys! I'm hanging around trying to find a Scion Factory radio for sale, so after that I'll be out of your business. :wink:

Check out these pics of a turbo install done by MWR on a MR2 Spyder owner's car (not mine):
http://www.sensory.com/users/ecohen/mw/mw.html

We've got Power Enterprise's supercharger kit for the xB in stock but Detroit is not yet crawling with Scions so we're looking for someone interested in having the unit installed on their vehicle. The installation would be done free of charge, and the car would be dyno'd before and after also free of charge. The unit would also be discounted slightly from the normal $3159 kit price. We need to do one install before we start selling the kits to other customers so we can verify that the kit works as designed on US-spec vehicles with US-spec gasoline. Performance will be closely monitored during the dyno testing so there's no danger to the engine. Expected horsepower gain is at least 30%.

This has grown into quite a debate, so let's examine what is being asked of the "guinea pig" here.

1. The "guinea pig" is expected to deliver his vehicle to Detroit, free of charge.
2. The supercharger will be installed, provided that it fits. If it doesn't, the "guinea pig" is out of luck. So sorry, have a nice trip home.
3. The "guinea pig" subjects his car to the abuse of the "free" dyno runs, but who really gets value here? The dyno data is much more valuable for advertising than to the "guinea pig."
4. What happens if the engine grenades on the dyno? That isn't stated, but this vendor has already demonstrated his thriftiness, so I wouldn't count on the repairs to be covered. So sorry, have a nice bus ride home.

In return for these hassles and risks, the "guinea pig" gets an unspecified "slightly discounted" price. Let's say that the discount is 10%, which is on the high end of "slightly". That would be $316. That sum wouldn't even cover the expenses of the trip!

I can see why people aren't rushing to accept this offer!

George

yeah, and meanwhile, other companies are hard at work fitting their turbo and supercharger kits which will be available soon for less money than the PE kit. and since all the superchargers are making about the same amount of power, whoever comes out first with the best price will have the advantage. i guess that's what happens when you're cheap. you save a couple thousand dollars initially, but you lose potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales from taking too long to produce a useable product.

for a grand less, with full backing of Toyota on my 100,000 mile warrenty, TRD SC ... the only way to go for "safety" of the engine ... unless similar backing is provided.

btw, if your gonna make someone the "guinea pig" it should be FREE ... it takes money to make money (high school economics)

It's getting hot in here!

:evil: :twisted:

I posted here originally just looking for someone interested in a supercharger, I guess the internet behaves in strange ways. I'll be happy to answer any questions you all have and appreciate the more positive tone this thread has taken. I think any early misunderstandings are starting to disappear.

>-First of all, you will be competing against companies like Blitz and HKS.

We sell Blitz and HKS products, as well as Power Enterprise, as well as many other companies. Monkeywrench isn't "Power Enterprise USA", we just happen to sell their products among many others. We'll sell whichever products we believe in most and are in most demand by customers. At the moment, the PE SC kit is immediately available.

>-Thirdly, You kept saying that this is not a prototype kit and it has been tested in
>Japan for many years. Then, you shouldn't be saying things like that you want
>to "test it out".

I can rephrase to say that we'd like to install one and confirm that it functions as it should and as it does on J-spec 1NZ's. Many shops would just start selling the kits and hope the customers got the kits to work right. Many others wouldn't get involved at all.

>-Lastly, about $300 difference is not worth it for anyone to drive all the say from LA
>to detroit to install an untested kit.

The $300 is only part of it. Installation can run $400+ for a kit like this, and we're offering that for free. Dyno time runs $120/hr- you get free dyno too. Dyno pulls are no harder on the car than a WOT pull through 3rd or 4th gear, and are closely monitored, so the danger level is very low. We've never had an engine break on our dyno.

>Thank you for listening to my humble opinion. I hope you won't be too much
>offended by my comments.

We're always open to others' opinions and criticism. Feel free to post or PM any time you've got something to say to us, we're happy to answer.

Regarding the comments on Japanese vs US business models, I think some interesting points are being made. It would have been nice if PE had given us a free kit for the first install. They're a small shop though, so that doesn't usually make financial sense. It's also not a kit that they've thrown together with no testing done yet. Their position is that they offer the kit to whomever wants it, regardless of their location. Being a US dealer of PE products who happens to specialize in Toyotas, we're interested in offering this products to our customers. We have a policy of only selling products we stand behind 100%, so we want to do the first install in-house. Maybe that's over cautious but that's our policy. We did the same with PE's turbo kit for the MR-S, which we installed on our shop MR2-Spyder with great results. If we were working with PE to design a SC kit for the Scion I'm sure things would work differently. In this case though, no development is taking place. Usually, if you volunteer your car for a prototype situation, your car is down for 1-2 weeks while the product is built. What we're talking about here is a simple 1-day install.

In answer to another question, yes, definitely, after installation and "confirmation" we'll stand behind the reliability of this kit. PE is a high end company that turns out top notch products. We wouldn't sell them if they didn't have a great reputation and if we didn't have great experience with their products.

Like I said before, this kit isn't for everybody. I think it's a great kit that'll offer the performance that many are looking for, so I'll wait until somebody's interested and do the install then. I still haven't seen a Scion on the street around here but I'm sure they'll start to pop up soon.

And to think, if we were in CA this thread would have only been 2 posts long :)

matt, you're right. if you were in california, i would have done this for sure. and i am sure a lot of others would have wanted to as well. michigan is just too far for us to go. we have lives, you know?

Free install.........free dyno............great............but that's no loss on your part. Those are things you WANT to do.......because you WANT people to see the results, and buy the product.

How bout doing something you DON'T want to do. Even though this isn't a "prototype"........the person that takes this offer is still......as many people have said........a guinea pig. So.......there must be sacrifices on the part of both parties involved. Why don't you offer to pay for someone to have their car trailored to you. That way.......you get your test dummy............and the donor doesn't have to worry about driving thousands of miles for a product that's unproven on their particular vehicle. Or......I suppose you can just wait for Scions to show up in Detroit........at which point the other manufacturers who have their crap together will own the market........and PE will be out of it.........and that's one less product for you to sell. I guess it all depends on how much you think you stand to make off selling this supercharger.

KiL

Hey Matt, this is Jake (ringthree) over on NewCelica.

We know how good you guys are and we just started a new scion board, called strangely enough NewScion.org :) We dont have that many Scion owners over there now, but most of them are like people on NewCelica. They would be ALL over this.

This is a great opportunity that you are offering and you may even want to post this over on NewCelica to see if you get any bites over there. Chiggy knows some people in Detroit so he should be able to help you find someone.

For the rest of you, well I dont know what to say. This is a great deal, I am really shocked at the responses. You guys should check out who is making this offer before you start demanding free parts.

This post was from last november , I am not sure that it still stands....look at the dates of the posts. This is old!

This post was from last november , I am not sure that it still stands....look at the dates of the posts. This is old!

Yeah, I noticed that sometime after I posted. :oops: Oh well... I am still surprised at some of the responses.

Hell, if the offer was for a free one and it was still on the table, i'd jump on it and i'm in the Detroit area.

Hell, if the offer was for a free one and it was still on the table, i'd jump on it and i'm in the Detroit area.

Yeah, the offer wasn't for a free one. That is a vey rare occurance when a manufacturer will just give away a test product.

I know it wasn't for free....just saying if it was.

I rather go with the blitz s/c or some other name brand kit. Screw the not-free or not 1/2 off supercharger. Got to be careful.

Area 51 Fabrications in Irvine, California blew my friends GS300 motor with their prototype supercharger and made him pay for the blown motor. I actually posted a comment on Speed Options and Area 51 couldn't say crap about blowing my friends motor, but that their other customer with the IS300 motor that was blown was satisfied with them. Can you believe Area51 actually made my friend pay? Some B.S.

Stick with the name brand and some reliable and reputable company.

I would agree errbody's comments on using there xB for a test. Nah man! PE is a good brand name from Japan. they should buy an xb and test it out to see if it will work on the xbs before selling them. I know that is the test went well, you would buy the PE s/c!

Who ever goes to get the SC there, make sure you don't have any plans for awhile. The guy I sold my celi and turbo kit took it there to have a stand alone installed and some tuning done. They told him two days. He waited the weekend paying for a trailer to haul the car on. Turns out it ended up being like three weeks. Once it was done though, it was awesome. They do killer work.

I just installed one of the PE300 on my xB. It isn't that hard to do and only took about 7 hours to do. Also, saved me about $700 in labor. That labor charge was from a performance shop. They sell the PE300 for $3400.

Dave

Who ever goes to get the SC there, make sure you don't have any plans for awhile. The guy I sold my celi and turbo kit took it there to have a stand alone installed and some tuning done. They told him two days. He waited the weekend paying for a trailer to haul the car on. Turns out it ended up being like three weeks. Once it was done though, it was awesome. They do killer work.

Thats funny, they have done work on MR2's and Celica's very quickly. They tuned the PowerFC from the Japanese maps to US maps in just a couple of days.

The Blitz kit has a problem with the automatic because it uses the Apex Power FC to replace the stock ECU.
Anyone have any insights on this?

The Blitz kit has a problem with the automatic because it uses the Apex Power FC to replace the stock ECU.
Anyone have any insights on this?

I don't know, because Blitz offers two different xB kits on their site. One for manuals and one for autos.