I've been wanting the Scion TC for a long time and was about to put a deposit down. Well, that is until I found a deal on a used 350z for cheap. Please help me decided. Here are the details.

350Z
model: Touring (leather seats)
color: white
hp: 287
miles: 23,000
options: leather seats and navigation system
price: $22,500

vs.

Scion TC
color: white
hp 160hp
miles: 0
options: none (I prefer a base TC)
price: about $17,300 which include handling charges.

So for $5000 more, I get leather, navigation, faster car and nicer interior. However, the 350z is a used car vs brand new car. I love the TC and how it looks outside. Call me crazy, but I prefer the looks of the TC more than the 350z.

About me: I dont mind two seaters as my girlfriend has a sedan (TSX) so if I ever need more room, I can borrow her car. I like warrantee and both has it but the nissan 350z will run out sooner than the TC since its used. Money is a big factor but I feel if I were to get the TC within a couple of years, I'll probaby spend $2-3k modifiying it for speed/looks so really the price is really close to each other.

What should I do... Thanks for your help. This is my first post.

I, personally, would opt for the 350z if I could afford the car, insurance, and modification prices. I don't know the condition of the 350z, so I don't know for sure. So, if you can afford it, do it! If not, get the tC.

Dear Whitescion,

There is honestly no right answer on what you should do. For every ten opinions to get the tC there will be 5 to get the 350z. This is a Scion Forum witch means most will favor Scion. What you need to do is sit down and really think what you would want. You’re the one going to be stuck in this car for some years not us. So make the choice that you think is best.

~ Peace , Kaeon

You should probably check into the other costs of owning a vehicle and maybe that will help you with your decision. Annual cost for gas, maintenance fees, and insurance are a few things to look at. Also, as for borrowing the sedan, that option may not always be available and depending on where you are at in your life (or relationship), the two seater may not be the best idea. I was looking into the 350Z until I found out I was going to be a father so I waited and ended up getting a tC. I'm glad I did. Hope this helps and good luck no matter what you choose.

I'm assuming both are Manual, so the 350Z has a 6-speed, which is nice. However, you can get a brand new 350z for about $25,000. It won't be the touring eddition, no leather seats, navigation, and whatnot, but it's the same exact engine, which is a sweet ___ engine! Personally, I like the looks of the Infinity G35 coupe better, but that's another $10K or so, so I do like the styling of the tC better. The 350z is a true sports car, while the tC is not.

However, my biggest gripe about the Z is that it's a Nissan. My buddy's Nissan has been recalled 3 times for manufacturers defects, and it's an '03! Nissan's just don't stand up to Toyota build quallity, so that "...warantee runs out sooner" is a big deal.

Plus, I know if I had a 350z, how I would drive it :wink: and I don't think anyone would want to buy it used off me!

I was actually debating between the tC and a used 2002 VW GTI 1.8T loaded for $16K. The GTI was a little more luxurious, and a little more refined, but I decided against it because the warantee was going out soon, The power was not much more than the tC, and because the tC would be a new car, not used. I've never bought a new car because of crazy depreciation, but the tC I think is worth it.

its a simple decision really. do you want a fast, powerful rwd 2 seater vehicle which will be more fun to drive?

or do you want a new fwd coupe that is sporty and is attractive for the price, and also more economical in terms of mileage, wear, and longevity.

just a note, borrowing rates are usually different for used cars as opposed to new. Could add another couple thousand to the Z350 over the life of the loan. Should check out insurance rates as well, tC is just rated as a 2-door hatchback. Make sure you have the actual cost before you make your decision.

dante

Search for all the problems with the TC. That should make your decision easy. Wait a year or two for Toyota to fix all the TC issues and make a quality car if you want a TC.

Personally, I would opt for the 350 if I had the extra $5k to spend. The only thing is you have to remember that it's still $5k, and that it could cover insurance for the next couple years and some mods if you wanted on the tC. It really depends on what you want. No matter which way you look at it, the tC is still an economy car, and the Z obviously leans more towards performance.

its a simple decision really. do you want a fast, powerful rwd 2 seater vehicle which will be more fun to drive?

or do you want a new fwd coupe that is sporty and is attractive for the price, and also more economical in terms of mileage, wear, and longevity.Well, no, it's not. It's used, so it's not a simple comparison between two models of cars. As much as I'd like a 350z, I'd hate the fact that it was used, and as someone else mentioned, I'd know how I'd use it in that short time. It's really a gamble imo.

Like Kaeon said, it's up to you; just make sure you think about everything involved.

If you really have to ask, then you can not afford the 350z.
Look up gas prices, does it use 91 octane or 87? Miles per gallon?
Insurance for your age.
Can you afford the maintenance in 3-4 years?
Can you afford major maintenance? New tires are about 300.
Will you be happy with it in 3 years?

Add those up and always look at a car as an investment.

I bought a TC because I was tired of having a used car. Tired of tracking down issues, rattles, road noise. What I got was a "new" car that is worse in every category than every used car I've owned.

Since they are both very good choices it would come down to your preference if you've already did your homework.

Homework: Can you afford...
Cost of maintenance
Gas
Insurance
Interest Rate if you're doing payments

I would've gotten the Z if the Carfax check is clean and the car is in good condition. $22,000 for a Touring Z is very good. However, you have to examine used sports cars carefully because some owners will abuse it and then sell it.

Search for all the problems with the TC. That should make your decision easy. Wait a year or two for Toyota to fix all the TC issues and make a quality car if you want a TC.

You've obviously never owned a Nissan. Go to a 350Z forum and look up problems and you will find much more then a rattling moonroof. Nissan's have major engine problems. How do you think they can afford to sell a car witha V6 pushing 287hp for around $25,000?...cheap parts!

I'm really sorry that you've had so many problems with your tC. But it is under warantee. I dont' know what the dealers are like there, but the guys at Toyota here are freindly and informative, while the guys at Nissan are complete JERKS!

There's always the chance that you'll get a bad car. But I think the chances of getting a bad new tC is much slimmer then the chances of getting a bad USED Nissan.

Search for all the problems with the TC. That should make your decision easy. Wait a year or two for Toyota to fix all the TC issues and make a quality car if you want a TC.

You've obviously never owned a Nissan. Go to a 350Z forum and look up problems and you will find much more then a rattling moonroof. Nissan's have major engine problems. How do you think they can afford to sell a car witha V6 pushing 287hp for around $25,000?...cheap parts!

I'm really sorry that you've had so many problems with your tC. But it is under warantee. I dont' know what the dealers are like there, but the guys at Toyota here are freindly and informative, while the guys at Nissan are complete JERKS!

There's always the chance that you'll get a bad car. But I think the chances of getting a bad new tC is much slimmer then the chances of getting a bad USED Nissan.
i am sorry to tell you this but nissan's VQ engine is a pretty good engine having won many awards since it's birth. the reason why people take the 350z back to fix is they push the car way too hard thinking it won't ever break. even the best bulletproof engine can only take so much abuse.

"You've obviously never owned a Nissan. ..." i m guessing you never owned a nissan either if you have to refer to 350Z forum. on every car forums online you look online, you will see problems for that specific car. i have seen many post here in Tc about moonroof problems, does every Tc have the same problem? it only represent a percentage.
it's usually the one with problems that post and the one with enjoy the car won't start a post and praising about the mooroof, engine, looks etc. , that's why it always looks like it have a big problem.
starting rivalry is fun and all, but just calling nissan suck and their forum members are jerks with nothing to back it up makes you no better than them.
PS. not that i want to defend nissan, but my dad has a 1993 nissan infiniti J30 with 170,000 miles on it. the engine is still going strong although the auto tranny is about to crap out. nevertheless, if you take good care of the car and not abuse it, it can definitely run another 100,000 miles.

"You've obviously never owned a Nissan. ..." i m guessing you never owned a nissan either if you have to refer to 350Z forum. on every car forums online you look online, you will see problems for that specific car. i have seen many post here in Tc about moonroof problems, does every Tc have the same problem? it only represent a percentage.
True dat. About one car in 10,000 will be the car from hell for whatever reason, then that person will post 10,000 times about how the whole model sux. (Nick's a good example - post into a thread once, get ignored, so post again.)

500 miles for me so far - not a peep out of my tC. No cosmetic problems either. Quietest car I've been in for under $25k.

If I had the extra money I'd consider a 350Z for sure, but probably would get a RX-8 instead.

the 350z end of discussion :twisted:

I would lean towards the 350. . . but in terms of financial stuff it depends on you.

Short term, the tC will be a bigger loss, as you take that intial depreciation hit.
In the long run, you may see some that come back, as you will more than likely see a lower "cost of ownership" for the tC, for fuel, insurance, maintainence, etc. . .

I had the chance to opt between a Lexus IS300 and the xA, and chose the xA due to lower cost of ownership (means I don't have to worry about gas and short term finances). I hated owning my LS400 and being severely limited to where I can drive, as to being able to go anywhere (absolute freedom) in the xA. It's a small thing, but worth considering.

the 350z end of discussion :twisted:

+1. This is a no brainer, your getting a better car in pretty much every area.

godda9u:
I don't think you understood my post. I was refering to the 350z forum to point out the same fact you did, there will be people who complain about it as well. I was responding to Nick@AGP who said he had nothing but problems with his tC. I said he may have gotten a bad one, and that the likelyhood of getting a bad USED 350z is more likely then getting a bad NEW tC. NOT that the 350Z is crap. It's AWESOME! But I think in general, Nissans have more problems then Toyotas. You can also say that V6s have more problems then I4s, and that a car pushing over 300HP will have more problems then a car pushing less then 200HP. It all depends on how you treat it.

So my point is, you don't know how this USED 350Z was treated for the past 2 years.

I had the 350z, a amazing car, the TC does not come close,or is even in the same class......the 350 is a sports car...the TC is just a dressed up grandmas car.....sorry boys

I had the 350z, a amazing car, the TC does not come close,or is even in the same class......the 350 is a sports car...the TC is just a dressed up grandmas car.....sorry boys

Seriously. It's a difficult comparison. Prices, engine size, and new or used. I'm sure they are both great cars. I've never owned either. I did, however, have a Nissan 300Z. The floor boards got wet and the entire car burst into flames. Everything but the drivers seat was destroyed. Have you had a scion do that yet? But, those are two totally different cars. That was also before 1999 when Nissan was doing so badly that it had to be saved by Renault buying up 37% of the company.

I had the 350z, a amazing car, the TC does not come close,or is even in the same class......the 350 is a sports car...the TC is just a dressed up grandmas car.....sorry boys

Like Cybergypsy said, it's not in the same class. One is a sporty compact, the other a sports car. If the tC does come close to the 350Z, then either: a) the tC really overachieved b) the 350Z really underachieved.

The 350Z also has uneven tire wear (check tires every 10,000 miles to be safe) and tranny problems that required multiple TSBs and replacement parts, but that should have been resolved.

Oh, by Cybergypsy's line of thought that the tC is just a dressed up Camry, then the xA and xB are just dressed up Echos. Except the tC has the Avensis chassis and the Avensis is a highly touted sedan in Europe.

Just my 2 cents. 350 z is way overrated. as is the rx-8 and sti.

You think the tC has problems? Look up the history on the 350z / G35. Problems ranging from poor interior quality and ride noise, to a alignment issue that Nissan cant't / doesn't know how to / refuses to fix.

You think a rattle from your sunroof is bad? Try new tires every 5000 miles. Go to a few Nissan forums and see what people that own the car are saying,.

well, thought i might chime in on this. seeing as how i spend most of my days on various 350z forums. when comparing cars, there's a few key things to remember. 1)why are you comapring the two. 2) are they in the same class 3) you will get replies that will help in your descision, people will love one car, people will hate one car.

the 350 has/does have it's problems. majority of the issues reside with the 03 model. a lot of the problems reported here are a little exaggerated. another thing to remeber, you can't always believe what you read. there's trolls that will come along, wrap up a few posts here and there to look like a legit member. then they will post problems they are having with a car they don't own.

you need to figure out why you're interested in each vehicle and decide which one you want more. neither car remotely compares to eachother. hope this helps.

btw, i own a 350z and been lurking here deciding on whether to get a Tc or xA.

If I could afford it, I'd take the 350z, but only if I could afford it.

$5000 more
My insurance would go up owning that car.
It takes premium gas versus the tC unleaded. tC also gets another 3mpg or so.
In terms of performance though, all 350z. (Though I'd hate to lose my glass roof)

Good luck with your choice, but this likely will come down to how much hit can you afford to take in your wallet. Only you can decide that.

If i were in your shoes, and had the slightest possibility of owning a 350z, i would do it in a heartbeat. No offense to the tc, i own one and runs great, but the 350z is in a class of its own. You will kick yourself the rest of your life. I wish i had the money for it.

I bought a TC because I was tired of having a used car. Tired of tracking down issues, rattles, road noise. What I got was a "new" car that is worse in every category than every used car I've owned.

nick has "issues." most tC owners are very happy with their car.

I am a happy owner of tc, by the way.

well I was considering getting
these
2003 Nissan 350z
2003 Honda s2000
2004 Mazda rx-8
2005 Scion tC
for the price I was considering.

I've test drive all and did searches and studies on them
RX8's is MAZDA + crazy mpg 15??????18??? it is not even v8
s2000 is a sweet car but only problems is rear wheel drive can't drive them during snow and rain time and convertible... many problems + insurance

finally Nissan 350z....
Great design performance but the 2003 model has too much problems due to the first model, people here complaint about little problems on tC here right?

350z had too much problems from paint chipping to transmission and uneven tire wear..... so many to list here

none execept rx8 and tC has enough cargo and back seat..
standard option + looks + everyday driving practicality+reliability+economic

P.R.I.C.E. = no comment

Scion tC there is no other car like tC



I recommend you getting tc for the Quality and everyday driving practicality.
you can even add 100,000 mile warranty(having a peace of mind) and still go $4000 cheaper than "Used" car.

this is just my opinion 8)

I would take the 350z if what you want is speed. Just depends on what youre looking for in a car.

I bought a TC because I was tired of having a used car. Tired of tracking down issues, rattles, road noise. What I got was a "new" car that is worse in every category than every used car I've owned.

nick has "issues." most tC owners are very happy with their car.

Nick has NO ISSUES...the TC has Issues, and more and more people are finding that out, I am happy for the handful of people who never had a problem, but the ISSUES are getting to be a Daily read......and I am not talking about the light in the glove box...crap either

No no. You've never met Nick. He has issues. Keep your children and small woodland creatures FAR away from this guy.

Nick has 2 or 3 tC problems, that should be fixed. He has a HUGE dealer problem, because the dealer either doesn't want to or can't fix these issues.


I bought a TC because I was tired of having a used car. Tired of tracking down issues, rattles, road noise. What I got was a "new" car that is worse in every category than every used car I've owned.

nick has "issues." most tC owners are very happy with their car.

Nick has NO ISSUES...the TC has Issues, and more and more people are finding that out, I am happy for the handful of people who never had a problem, but the ISSUES are getting to be a Daily read......and I am not talking about the light in the glove box...crap either

I bought a TC because I was tired of having a used car. Tired of tracking down issues, rattles, road noise. What I got was a "new" car that is worse in every category than every used car I've owned.

nick has "issues." most tC owners are very happy with their car.

Nick has NO ISSUES...the TC has Issues, and more and more people are finding that out, I am happy for the handful of people who never had a problem, but the ISSUES are getting to be a Daily read......and I am not talking about the light in the glove box...crap either

there are more than just a handful of tC owners with no issues, most of us don't have any. and as for the Daily read, out of the 35 threads on the first page of thetC forum (I didn't count the stickies) 5 are about problems, one of the 5 was started by Nick, and the other 4 are about creaks and rattles. angry people tend to be more vocal than happy people, so that's not bad.,

the tC may not be the best car out there but it's certainly not the worst. not by a long shot.

angry people tend to be more vocal than happy people,...

Seriously. I absolutely love my tC. I don't have any problems with it. Maybe I should start an "I'm Completely Happy With My tC" thread.

Somehow, I don't think this one would garner as much attention as the same threads about the same 3 "problems" that have been posted a gagillion times.

- Desi

having driven both cars i know that the tc has a nicer interior. but sure its not rwd and not as fast. but it gets better gas milage and lower insurance rates. but then the z is fast well fast but not quick, (a neon srt will out gun it 0-60). and trunk space is a joke its a backpack and a 30 pack. oh yeah its also a pretty heavy car with double bulkheads. but hey you get a strut brace in the front and back. better yet might as well get both and share the one you don't use.

lets make a list of which is better

interior = tc
exterior = tie
truck space = tc (but not by much)
power = 350z
handling= 350z
bang for your buck = 350z
tires = same
visablity = same they both suck huge blind spots
year round drivablity = tc maybe/ z if the trac control is any good
mileage = tc
insurance = tc
friend space = tc
quality = tc
reliablity = yet to be seen
overrated = both are overweight and under powered

Again, I think you know which is the "better" car in terms of performance, and the overwhelming assault of replies will probably tell you the same. I think you should know by now the main differences in terms of everyday use and comfort.

What you have to determine is which car is better FOR YOU and your financial situation. Remember, that in the short run you take a much harder hit with the tC, as a new car loses a lot of value the minute it is driven off the lot. In the long run, the Z will more likely be a larger hit (assuming you don't plan to sell it anytime soon).

If you plan to keep the car 3-4 years or less, I'd take the Z. 4-8 years and I'd take the tC. Neither car will be worth much by then, and you will end up taking a smaller hit in maintainence, insurance, gas, and at that age, quite possibly depreciation. Keep in mind that the decision you make now may just effect the car you will able to buy in the future as well. . .

If cost be damned and performance/status is more important, get the Z. If you're being money smart (which is Scion's target) go for the tC.

This is dumb, you can't compare a 350Z to a tC, we drive a ____ ___ eco box, the 350z is the flagship car for nissan (basically), its way better then are car in every manner. You guys sound like Hondas, trying to compare yourself to a car that is better then us in every feasable way.

This is retarded. Stop talking about the stupid 350Z. Blah Blah Blah....I'd rather have a Porsche then a Tc....blah blah blah....

That guy is a dreamer and most likely won't buy either car!!! Some 18 year old punk that would like to think he has a choice but will most likely end up with a beat up dodge neon!

Just drive grandma's car and save your McDonalds paycheck for spring break

All this talking and the guy only posted once! This is crazy damit!!!


You are freakin out....mann...... :shock:

This is dumb, you can't compare a 350Z to a tC, we drive a ____ ___ eco box, the 350z is the flagship car for nissan (basically), its way better then are car in every manner. You guys sound like Hondas, trying to compare yourself to a car that is better then us in every feasable way.
No the xB is a econo box. The tC is a affordable coupe. This is dumb 350z = RX8 such as tC = Civic. Not vice versa.

I bought a TC because I was tired of having a used car. Tired of tracking down issues, rattles, road noise. What I got was a "new" car that is worse in every category than every used car I've owned.
Quit _____ing and get another used car then!! :evil: Damn this site is supposed to be for showing the love the Scion and I have read a few of your posts and they all sound just like this one. I know people who would LOVE to have a new car and would not be complaining one bit about some rattling. If you can't stand a little rattle i suggest you get a nice comfy pair of shoes and start walking. I just hope your feet don't start sweating because then we would have to hear you _____ about that ____ too. After a little while of that ____ you would be wishing you had a car that rattled.
Sorry about that everyone, I just had to say that. This dude's posts have been making me mad!

yeah, in defense of tC owners (F all you all who rip on us xA and xB owners) the tC is a great car. I do have my issues with them, but for the price and the value, it is a great deal. Most of the issues are rather small, and from what I can tell there aren't too many instances of the car exploding(if indeed they are even for real). But given the benefit of the doubt, it is still a worthwhile investment, in my opinion besting other econo-coupes( or sporty coupes if you are sensitive to the word, but it is, like a civic; celica is a true sporty coupe, or miata, Integra, but besides the point) in its range.

I think it is a good debate because I am considering a used 350z for my girl as well as a new TC. Nissans are great, I'm biased because of the FX, but the interior of the new Z in orange with the navigation is just killa! Problem is it gets up to and beyond 30k for the nice interior in a new z with nav etc.

I can afford the 350z, but the TC is just more practical I think. It has a backseat, more room, easier to own, etc.

Plus, I plan on getting aftermarket navi for the tc which is a lot less than the 350z nav.

I luv Z's and drool everytime I see one, but I don't fit in one and it's a much better deal for me to hook my girl up with a modded TC so I'm putting off the Z for now....

Whitescion... it basically comes down to performance or price Obviously both cars are beautiful. If you aren't a performance buff just get some leather in the tC and enjoy a new car . :D

Now and in the long run you will spend more money on the Nissan in repairs and insurance so make sure performance matters to you if you decide on the 350z.

since we're on the scion forum... might as well bring about the news some of you might've read the past couple days. the tc will probably only be here till 08, the 350z, who knows? not that then you wouldn't be able to buy an old one, but heh... owning one the year it came out, kinda cool in my opinion. (kinda stupid reason actually, but i would like to think otherwise)

Just my 2 cents. 350 z is way overrated. as is the rx-8 and sti. no no no the rx-8 is very overrated as is the 350z by a little bit but the sti omg that is the best friggin car awesome. expensive in almost every way form sticker to gas to maint. but it is an awesome car.

Whitescion... it basically comes down to performance or price Obviously both cars are beautiful. If you aren't a performance buff just get some leather in the tC and enjoy a new car . :D

Now and in the long run you will spend more money on the Nissan in repairs and insurance so make sure performance matters to you if you decide on the 350z.

I currently own a 350z and I love the car to death, however it can be a pretty expensive love affair with all the mods, insurance, and normal maintenance. I currently have a Black Cherry Tc on order that I plan on using as my daily driver. If this is going to be your only vehicle then I think the Tc would probably be the better choice.

Believe it or not a TC is alot faster than you think it is. Yea 160 hp doesnt sound like much, but you have to remember it weighs 2900 pounds. Ive raced a lexus IS300, (215 hp) which weighs 3255 and its equal speed. Now as far as compared to a 350Z, think of it like this, theres a $5,000 difference between both cars. Buy a TC, and then buy an exhaust and supercharger for about $3500 and be able to maintain your new car's warranty. You'll be pushing around 225hp on a 2900lb car, which is going to be quicker than the stock 350z 287hp on 3239lb car. Thats what i recommend if money is an issue. If money isnt that big of an issue, then definitely take the 350z !

The number 1 complaint from IS300 owners is that it is slow, compared to the competition, especially for a $30k car. . . just browse some of the owner forums. . .

I'm not bashing the tC, but bone stock, it's no supercar. . . it's borderline sporty.

Dang, even the Nissan Altima 3.5 SE 6spd (4door SEDAN) can break 6 seconds to 60mph (5.9). If you want the true sports car, it would be the Nissan. . . but for more practical reasons, the tC makes A LOT more sense and would be my choice. If I needed a cheap toy, I would buy a used Camaro or Corvette; no mods necessary, dirt cheap, and FAST.

This is retarded. Stop talking about the stupid 350Z. Blah Blah Blah....I'd rather have a Porsche then a Tc....blah blah blah....

That guy is a dreamer and most likely won't buy either car!!! Some 18 year old punk that would like to think he has a choice but will most likely end up with a beat up dodge neon!

Just drive grandma's car and save your McDonalds paycheck for spring break

All this talking and the guy only posted once! This is crazy damit!!!

Ha, I totally agree with you, and it's funny how conversations like this get out of hand. It's obvious to me to that the guy is fairly young.

But I like this discussion and will contribute to this time wasting affair! ha.


I myself am biased, as I also own a 300ZX TwinTurbo.
Just to start off, in defence of a number of hits against the Z,
- every car's got problems, especially first generation cars.
- tire wear problems can be fixed with alignments. period.
- a "used" 23,000 mile Z is still a new car. I bought my 300ZX TT with 19,000 miles and put on another 100,000 miles. That includes 2 autox SEASONS (~19 events) and about 13+ days at the race track. I also don't drive it like a caddilac either, but like it was ment to be. 23,000 miles is still a new car. It's only lived <1/5 if it's life for crise sakes.

What you should get depends on what you want/need in life.
- gas milage
- ins
- performance
- status
- reliability
- options
- etc...

you need to make your own choice.

me personally, if I didn't already have my Z, I would choose the 350Z, no question. Performance and car handling in the utmost importance to me over gas milage and ins..

Would I sell my 300ZX TwinTurbo for a 350Z? Hell no. For 20k-30k, I could make my 300ZX TwinTurbo a Viper eating beast. Viper eating beast or Boxter eating beast. No question in my book.

Although I like the tC and like it's lines, comparing that to a 350Z is like the other guy said, comparing Hondas to Porsches. Don't fool yourself, the tC is a sporty looking sedan. It is not a "Sports Car". That's ok though, as there are advantages to both and not everybody needs a sports car. Look at me, I bought an 4door xA for my second car.

You need to figure out what you want and what you need, and what you can afford.

Hey man I loooove the 350z as much as the next guy, and almost got one. But have you seen the tC in person? It's definetly a good looking coupe. If the tC and Z had the same performance, I'd have to go with the tC. Now on the otherhand, I love the romantic idea of two seats, and RWD. If given a choice as it is, I'd def take a 350z. But in person, man the tC looks HOTT!