I've found stuff on eBay. Do they really work? :roll:

Permanent magnet
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7928004870&category=36476


Electric turbo charge
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7927177755&category=33741
Thanks for all replies in advance :)

P.S. I'm so happy that I will get my xB tomorrow. :D

I did a thread on the magnet thing a while back and never did follow up on it. I used a cheaper version on my truck but really didn't take the time to figure out if it really increases my fuel economy...

I think the electric turbo thing was also in another thread, you can use use the "search" feature to find more on that...

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17865&highlight=

if the electric supercharger can possible produce 2.1 psi with a flick of the switch, it might be worth considering. most turbos on a stock cars run 4-5 psi for a 700 dollar kit.

might be worth wild to try out if you got the money to burn.

The gas saver is a no go imo.

if the electric supercharger can possible produce 2.1 psi with a flick of the switch, it might be worth considering. most turbos on a stock cars run 4-5 psi for a 700 dollar kit.

jethro b made his own electric supercharger. He says he feels the difference. Hit him up!

I've found stuff on eBay. Do they really work? :roll:

Permanent magnet
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7928004870&category=36476


Electric turbo charge
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7927177755&category=33741
Thanks for all replies in advance :)

P.S. I'm so happy that I will get my xB tomorrow. :D

I don't have any personal experience with the permanent magnet but if it's anything like the negative-ion stuff that is so popular in Japan, then it might work. I've heard nothing but good things about those negative-ion stuff like how it helps blood circulation, reduces muscle pain, and even helps cancer patients recover faster. True, it's very skeptical, but being at a molecular level, you're probably not going to see any dramatic effects but rather you'll notice it more over time. I think this is more for the person who pretty much has done everything to the vehicle and just wants something to add to it, kinda like ground wire kits. Some people believe in them, and some don't. But the real people that know are the ones who have used them.

As for the electric S/C. I don't mean to be bashing the company's inovation but it honestly looks like something you can build yourself for a fraction of the cost using nothing but computer parts and a powerful electric motor. If you're good with your hands and are creative enough, you could possibly build your own. The most expensive part of that kit would probably be the motor. Well for RC cars, that was the case anyway. I remember building a funny car and the cobalt motor was the most expenisve part of the project. Speaking of which I really should find out where I put those things, I haven't touched them for ages. haha :lol:

I did a search and found this:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/magscams.html#MFT

Seems like it's a scam....

IMO, they're a waste. If there were proven gains from something like this, Toyota would've used them when they designed the thing. This is what they do, if a new technology is legit and can provide true results, then the carmakers would snap that shiznit up in a second and add it in.

And as for the negative-ion stuff - they also get results out of some people when giving them placebos. If you believe you're getting better it helps alot. Conversely, think of those days when you call in sick, after putting on your sick voice, etc. If you don't remind yourself that you're not really sick, it can start to affect me...

I did a search and found this:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/magscams.html#MFT

Seems like it's a scam....

Cool, that was some good reading. Learn something new everyday. :D

IMO, they're a waste. If there were proven gains from something like this, Toyota would've used them when they designed the thing. This is what they do, if a new technology is legit and can provide true results, then the carmakers would snap that shiznit up in a second and add it in.

And as for the negative-ion stuff - they also get results out of some people when giving them placebos. If you believe you're getting better it helps alot. Conversely, think of those days when you call in sick, after putting on your sick voice, etc. If you don't remind yourself that you're not really sick, it can start to affect me...

hehe, yeah that is so true, I remember when I used that excuse several times... :D

I've had such a good response from the Tornado fuel saver, I thought I would give that exact magnet on ebay a shot. I got nothing from it. It looks cool under the hood, but unlike the tornado, I can't validate my cost on it.

IMO, they're a waste. If there were proven gains from something like this, Toyota would've used them when they designed the thing. This is what they do, if a new technology is legit and can provide true results, then the carmakers would snap that shiznit up in a second and add it in.

And as for the negative-ion stuff - they also get results out of some people when giving them placebos. If you believe you're getting better it helps alot. Conversely, think of those days when you call in sick, after putting on your sick voice, etc. If you don't remind yourself that you're not really sick, it can start to affect me...

Although in my opinion, I actually AGREE with you, I wanted to warn you about your error in logic. . . basically it's like knowing that if it is rainy, then it must be cloudy, but you cannot conlude that if it is cloudy, then it must be raining.

GM actually had all aluminum engines since the 1960's, but they never put them into production. . . one of my good friend's dad's has one (of only a handful) that were produced for the Corvette, but were never put into full production. Airbags, antilock brakes, HID, gated automatic shfiters, headlights that turn when you steer, fuel injection, they've been around a LONG time, but were never put into production for numerious reasons. Just because it's not being used in the mainstrem does not necessarily mean that it isn't a good thing. However I am skeptical of their claims, I cannot disprove them altogether without trying one or hearing from someone who has used it first hand.

Although in my opinion, I actually AGREE with you, I wanted to warn you about your error in logic. . . basically it's like knowing that if it is rainy, then it must be cloudy, but you cannot conlude that if it is cloudy, then it must be raining.



Whoah... :shock: That was deep. But I like the way you think man... :D Your conclusion sounds sound to me.

i think i might take a look at the home depot and see what kind of blower i can pick up....see if i can't rig something that looks good, for half the price....i think the wifey will go for it then :) I can use it in conjunction with my home made intake EVEN BETTER :D

here we go! http://www.anchortoolandsupply.com/UB121DZpage.htm throw a nice coat of paint on that.....variable speeds too! so i can have a multi stage supercharger (or somethign like that)

F that, this is what you really wanna go with.....i might order one of these and see what i can do with it.....is there a danger of blowing too much air into the car? whats the most CFM that i should go for?

i suppose i could have just waited and made one post :)

but here it is

heres our supercharger

http://www.tmcin.com/browseproducts/TMC-03701-12V-Bilge-Blower.HTML

i might actually buy a bunch and make kits up and sell em on ebay....

:)

if anyone is interested in buying one, i think i might be soon, just for the hell of it...maybe ill get a cool sound.....also, would it screw with my MAF?

or if you dont want too much horsepower...........


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36324&item=3845196434&rd=1&ssPageName



hmm........... how about a twin intake system.....two filter, two blowers, with a Y-adapter at the MAF?

okay, seriously... slow down people...

now I will start off by saying that more air in the intake is more power, BUT BUT BUT... let's start off and talk logic... I saw there was mention of items that have been around but aren't in production - each of the items listed involved high costs or small moving parts, etc... longevity is always an issue for a brand name that wants to stay in business... but a magnet?? seriously, what does that cost... a nickel, a dime?? okay, a rare earth magnet... $3... okay, so do you think that if this thing provide even the smallest benefit to the engine that Ferrari or BMW or even Hyundai would skip using it... I mean look at what an air filter costs.. is it necessary for an engine to run... no, but it is there for longevity... so the cost is justified... I'm sorry, but $80 for a magnet... only the brainless need to even venture down this road... what are you supposing it does to the non-metalic fuel?? they throw words around like "tranformation" of a fuel molecule?? um, what... so they baffle you with basically witchcraft... slow down and think for yourselves... it will not hurt your engine, but do not think for even the slightest second that you will have the most remote chance of benefitting your engine with this crap...

on to point number 2... electric supercharger... this is where limitation of understanding can easily sway people... the absolute first thing that you must understand about pumping of air is that pressure and velocity are enemies of each other... so any type of pump - supercharger, turbocharger, ceiling fan, water pump, etc... they all do the same thing, they make stuff move... if there is "resistance" to this movement then we have pressure... so the fact that this electric supercharger can produce up to 2 psi of boost isn't suprising at all... but this is at zero flow... so if you have your engine TURNED OFF and kick on this fan you can get a reading on a boost gauge... but as soon as your engine starts to turn, it is actually sucking the air through on it's own... so there will be no noticeable pressure gain...

ok, ready for some math to back up my point... I am keeping this basic so that the non-engineers can understand - not to be insulting... ok... a belt driven super charger that makes about 7psi of boost will "steal" about 15 or 20hp from the engine, but in turn the engine will make about 50% more power... so a VTEC RSX that makes 200hp with 7psi boost will make about 300 hp... maybe slightly less because we are stealing this 15 or 20 hp.... ok, so to get an electric supercharger to make 7psi boost we would need about 15 or 20 hp... so let's stick with 15hp just for math... keep in mind that hp is work - make crap move, lift it, pressurize it, etc... ok, another unit of measure of work is called the watt... like you find in your light bulb or stereo... the hp is equal to about 750 watts... so if you check your electrical lessons from physics you will learn that voltage X amps = watts... so now we are starting to get somewhere... so let's take 15hp X 750 watts/hp = 11,250 watts to make 7psi of boost... ok, then the other facts... you car's alternator makes about 14.4V while the car is running... so now we can figure how big the fuse would have to be... 14.4V * fuse rating in amps = 11,250 watts... 781 AMPS..!!!! which is about twice what the starter needs... so this is really a comical idea... so according to www.electricsupercharger.com their "new and improved" setup draws 57 amps... well the cool thing about horsepower is that it is all about work... so it takes 1/2 the horsepower to walk 1/2 the way up the stairs... so if we scale back our desired 7psi at 781amps to the 57amps... we are looking at 1/2psi... keep in mind that the unit on ebay is WAY CHEAPER QUALITY than the eRAM setup on the website above... so let's just say it is JUST AS GOOD.... the quick and dirty way to estimate extra power is to add the boost to atmospheric pressure and then divide it by that pressure... so 0.5+14.7/14.7 = 3% power gain... so on an xB this is about 3hp... a good CAI will get you that, easy... new exhaust will triple that number easily...

man this turned into a long ramble, but if at least 1 person learned something or saved their money... it was worth it... feel free to ask questions...

i gotcha man....so the actual suction from the engine would probably be more than the electric (fan) blow out, and we are just looking for air flow, we're looking for PSi.....pressurized air...

could just hook a compressor hose up to it? :)

i gotcha man....so the actual suction from the engine would probably be more than the electric (fan) blow out, and we are just looking for air flow, we're looking for PSi.....pressurized air...

could just hook a compressor hose up to it? :)

actually, that would work, but you would need to run a compressor for a LONG time into a storage tank to get a large enough volume... because the compressor like you inflate your tires with takes about 15 minutes to produce enough air to fill up an air mattress and this is at atmospheric pressure which is already available to your engine... so for you to get enough air stored you'd need a fairly massive compressor and a fairly massive storage tank and you'd need to pressure the air up to really high pressure... the second problem is that as soon as the tank releases the air into the intake the system would allow air to go backwards through your air filter...so you'd need to block that off when there is air available from the compressor.... still possible but let's figure out how big a tank would make it worth it...

ambient pressure at sea level is normally 14.7psi... so we'll start with that.. ok, the next step would be to figure out how much air it takes to run from say 0-60... let's rev the engine from 2000 to 5000 in 1st and 2nd... and let's say it takes 8 seconds.... okay, we'll skip the lesson on volumetric efficiency, but just believe me that your engine is about 80% efficient on average from 2000 to 5000... and also at 5000 rpm you are using twice the air of 2500, so we can get away with just an average air usage over the rev range... (5000+2000)/2 = 3500rpm... next since the engine is 4 stroke you only need to fill each cylinder every other revolution so you could either cut the rpms in half or cut the volume in half... so let's just say we have 3500rpm and we need 0.75 liters to run our xB's... but only 80% of the 0.75 liter is really needed so 0.8*0.75*3500rpm= 2100 liters / minute.... but we just need a quick boost so we would need only the 8 seconds, which is just 8/60 minutes.... so 2100 becomes only 280 liters... okay, 1 liter = 61 cubic inches... and 1728 cubic inches = 1 cubic foot.... so we would need 9.88 cu ft to run through the filter for a normal run to 60.... ok, remember the ratio thing from before... how much horsepower do you want.... and how much pressure are you willing to carry around in a car... a typical CO2 tank or Nitrogen tank would be safe at 1500psi... and let's just go ahead and shoot for 50% boost... so we need about 150% of this calculated air to make more power... so 9.88 become approx 15 cu ft... so if you took your typical CO2 tank from a coke machine or keg box and pressurized it up with normal air... you could have several runs... THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE....

cost... high....
part count... high...

and there would actually be a huge problem with the air freezing any available moisture because the pressure drop from the tank to the engine's pressure would be well below freezing... you'd probably need a coulple of regulators running in both parallel and series to #1 flow enough air and #2 take the pressure drop in stages for icing problems and accuracy... you would seriously probably need to put a bottle heater on that maintains a higher temperature, the bottle would freeze before you hit 60...

neat idea, but nitrous would work just as well...

wow, impressive,your pretty good at this stuff...i think i understood it all too.....it was just an idea.... :) i think ill just stick to my home made air intake :)

Only Electric S/C I can remember even coming close to not being a scam was
http://www.boosthead.com/home.php
http://www.boosthead.com/images/other/intro.jpg