im thinking about getting some, (but ill prolly paint them) wondering how dark, what light output is like after, how they look, how cops treat you...

pics?

What style were you interested in? Tinted vinyl that covers the entire housing or just the eyebrow look?

whole thing, like this;

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/personal/3680_32.jpg
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/personal/11048_1.jpg

If you paint them you won't have good visibility after. If you get them, I would leave them the way they came. As they are, your light output won't be affected too much, but you may notice it slightly.

my taillights are painted and i lost MAYBE 10% output, if that. painting and vinyls would have the same effect, i just think paint looks better.

See my Link below :wink:

Bat™

my friend has the ones from AggressiveOverlays, I suggest getting HID's if you still want to be able to see real well. You need an extra set of hands to install them.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/scionsmokeDOTcom/NOPI%202007/th_DSCI0212.jpg (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/scionsmokeDOTcom/NOPI%202007/DSCI0212.jpg)

Check out our gallery and options for your car. If you are looking for Smoked on the heads then the Smoked 20%. Offers the best in light protection from pitting and/or breaking of the light and good smoked coverage. Light loss is 17%, but many upgrade to HIDS so they dont care.

Clear coated high impact resistant film with a lifetime warranty from manufacturing defects.

See my Link below :wink:

Bat™
you have tooooo many styles listed on your site, which one covers the whole light?

my friend has the ones from AggressiveOverlays, I suggest getting HID's if you still want to be able to see real well. You need an extra set of hands to install them.[/URL]

i posted this question in another thread about them - On their site they list black and smoked for colors, whats the difference?


Check out our gallery and options for your car. If you are looking for Smoked on the heads then the Smoked 20%. Offers the best in light protection from pitting and/or breaking of the light and good smoked coverage. Light loss is 17%, but many upgrade to HIDS so they dont care.

Clear coated high impact resistant film with a lifetime warranty from manufacturing defects.

price?

Check out our gallery and options for your car. If you are looking for Smoked on the heads then the Smoked 20%. Offers the best in light protection from pitting and/or breaking of the light and good smoked coverage. Light loss is 17%, but many upgrade to HIDS so they dont care.

Clear coated high impact resistant film with a lifetime warranty from manufacturing defects.

price?

$49.95, listed right on the site. Dont be fooled with overlays, that is just what they are. 7 mil vinyl We offer light protection that is colored. 20 mil thick, so it will last and work. Let me know if you need anything else

my friend has the ones from AggressiveOverlays, I suggest getting HID's if you still want to be able to see real well. You need an extra set of hands to install them.[/URL]

i posted this question in another thread about them - On their site they list black and smoked for colors, whats the difference?



smoke is not as dark, black is just too much for most people unless your doing a show car.

Rock Block, thanks i didnt see it listed on your site...

LiquidFX, which does your friend have on his car?

thanks guys... ill be buying some end of next week, just a question of from who???

anyone want to sponsor me? (i do drive a show car) lol

Rock Block, thanks i didnt see it listed on your site...

LiquidFX, which does your friend have on his car?

thanks guys... ill be buying some end of next week, just a question of from who???

anyone want to sponsor me? (i do drive a show car) lol


he has smoked and without HID's you dont want to go darker

thank you.

anytime

See my Link below :wink:

Bat™
you have tooooo many styles listed on your site, which one covers the whole light?



price?[/quote]

lol! True, I have tons of choices. The one you want is my tct2 full smoke kit $37 shipped! Email me.

Bat™

tch3 actually... (tct2 is taillights, im lookin for headlights) my tail lights are painted. :)

Rock Block, thanks i didnt see it listed on your site...



Here you go

http://rockblocker.com/store/37876.htm

nice

orangesuburban- I have had blue bats overlays on my tC for some time now. They started to fade and honestly, they were not good quality especially for the price.

Today, literally 20 minutes ago Chad, from Rock Blocker came over and we peeled off blue bats overlays and i compared them to blue bats.

Blue bats are way thinner and they tear really easy. Rock blockers were alot thicker and better quality. He smoked my head lights and tail lights and they came out so well that I cant even tell they are over lays.

On every single car that I have seen that has blue bats, they fold over themselves or dont lay down right on the edges and corners. Rock blockers went on really smoothly.

I would HIGHLY recommend rock blockers product over blue bats any day and the only reason I say that is because Ive owned both of their products now and Chads (Rockblocker) is just a better product.

Thanks Browndogg for the kind words. As we talked about I have the same film that Bluebat does and I wont use for such things as full tail light and headlights on the tC due to the lack of ability to get it smooth and even unlike our main product which is the 20 mil high impact resistant light protection.

We like both products and will continue to carry both of them. But use them for what they are best at and easiest for the consumer to install with.

orangesuburban- I have had blue bats overlays on my tC for some time now. They started to fade and honestly, they were not good quality especially for the price.

Today, literally 20 minutes ago Chad, from Rock Blocker came over and we peeled off blue bats overlays and i compared them to blue bats.

Blue bats are way thinner and they tear really easy. Rock blockers were alot thicker and better quality. He smoked my head lights and tail lights and they came out so well that I cant even tell they are over lays.

On every single car that I have seen that has blue bats, they fold over themselves or dont lay down right on the edges and corners. Rock blockers went on really smoothly.

I would HIGHLY recommend rock blockers product over blue bats any day and the only reason I say that is because Ive owned both of their products now and Chads (Rockblocker) is just a better product.

I'm sorry you were not happy with my product. If you had a fitment issue, many of my customers know I'm always glad to help out. I have many satisfied customers who sport my stuff. In the end, I'm glad you found something that you are happy with :wink:

regards,

Bat™

i know that most of the time its not the product that has problems its the installation. i tried to install some eyelids from AggressiveOverlays while I was a lil tipsy and i didnt do very well...lol

i know that most of the time its not the product that has problems its the installation. i tried to install some eyelids from AggressiveOverlays while I was a lil tipsy and i didnt do very well...lol :rofl: lol...you made my day

anybody have pictures of the blueish overlays?

I would definitely recommend going with BlueBat's stuff. I've had his products on my car for about a year now. I've switched the styles of my tails several times now, and i'm about to do it again in about a week. He has great products and he's a great guy to deal with overall. =]

Thanks Bat!

Here's a thread I started showing BlueBat's stuff.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=169117&highlight=

and here's some pics of my friend's car with Bat's 6/10 tint on his headlights. I'm assuming this is what you want?

Bluebats 6/10 Tint Smoked headlight overlays and 6/10 Tint Smoked foglights
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/raytrix/Picture009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/raytrix/Picture008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/raytrix/DSCN0384-01.jpg

and then another..
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/SDLOCA/tuke2.jpg

I'd just like to step in and say that blue bat mobile's owner Andy, is a great guy, and more importantly his products are good as well. I've met with him just today and found that dealing with him is comftorable and ez. His decals and overlays are a great quality and look. I will vouch for him and his products any day.

I'd just like to step in and say that blue bat mobile's owner Andy, is a great guy, and more importantly his products are good as well. I've met with him just today and found that dealing with him is comftorable and ez. His decals and overlays are a great quality and look. I will vouch for him and his products any day.

Everyone, Dont get me wrong, I loved my bluebat overlays when i had them. but once I switched, I found that rock blockers product is much thicker and is just much easier to put on and easier to deal with as a whole.

My vote is with BlueBatmobile. Andy is a great guy and i'v never had problems with any of his products. Andy has always been helpful, and is always down to try new ideas i've told him about. To me, customer service is something worth more than money.

im gona go with Bat :) thanks to everyone.... still waiting on pics though...

i know that most of the time its not the product that has problems its the installation. i tried to install some eyelids from AggressiveOverlays while I was a lil tipsy and i didnt do very well...lol


hi everyone...i havent posted here in a while but im the installer for blue bat...ive been install on lots of different cars..you can check my gallery here and on g35driver...

http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/Look_Its_Ryan/Car%20Installs/

orangesuburban- I have had blue bats overlays on my tC for some time now. They started to fade and honestly, they were not good quality especially for the price.

Today, literally 20 minutes ago Chad, from Rock Blocker came over and we peeled off blue bats overlays and i compared them to blue bats.

Blue bats are way thinner and they tear really easy. Rock blockers were alot thicker and better quality. He smoked my head lights and tail lights and they came out so well that I cant even tell they are over lays.

On every single car that I have seen that has blue bats, they fold over themselves or dont lay down right on the edges and corners. Rock blockers went on really smoothly.

I would HIGHLY recommend rock blockers product over blue bats any day and the only reason I say that is because Ive owned both of their products now and Chads (Rockblocker) is just a better product.


hello sir this is your opinion... i cant really says hows better...if you have asked the people i do isntalls for they havent complaint yet about bats overlays... http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/Look_Its_Ryan/Car%20Installs/

that is my gallery...please take a look and see that ive done alot harder cars then just scions... so i should know a few things about installs and quality...im not picking sides but it all depends on how you install the vinyl and how you treat it after... my 2 cents

glad to hear you're going with BlueBat.

i know that most of the time its not the product that has problems its the installation. i tried to install some eyelids from AggressiveOverlays while I was a lil tipsy and i didnt do very well...lol


hi everyone...i havent posted here in a while but im the installer for blue bat...ive been install on lots of different cars..you can check my gallery here and on g35driver...

http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/Look_Its_Ryan/Car%20Installs/Wow, Ryan.. those are some clean butt installs. Wish I could do that... =[

im gona go with Bat :) thanks to everyone.... still waiting on pics though...

Now be honest would you go with Bat if you had to pay or just got you got them for free?? We know you asked us and unfortunately we are full on sponsorships and I had to turn you down. So be honest when you answer that question. Good luck to you and glad you are getting smoked. If you need anything please let us know how we can help.

I have known RockBlocker for a long time now and I can honestly say he is the only way to go in Phoenix. His quality is second to none and he trully cares about you as a customer and almost always, you end up becoming a friend of his! He doesn't need people to come on here and praise him, but as friends and loyal customers...that's what we do!!! :clap:

If you have ever been to Phoenix, you know our highways are littered with tons of trash and rocks. As well as we are a desert... :doh: ...duh, I know, but that means we have a huge amount of rocks, yes I am trying to get the point across that I have had my windshield replaced for the third time this year already, flying every which way but off the road!!! In turn, means a ton of broken headlights, paint chips, etc. and I don't know a single person in town that doesn't have RockBlocker's product on their car!!! It is the only way to go!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: We have tons of options for protection around the valley, but everyone in the Scion community, along with Subaru, Mazda, Charger, FJ Cruiser, Exotic, etc. (the list goes on and on) go to RockBlocker!!!

Yeah, Bat's may give you the same look and be a couple bucks cheaper, but you won't get near the protection you will get from RockBlocker's!!! That is not my opinion, that is just a straight up fact!!! No ifs, ands or buts about it!!! :no: In my best Forest Gump voice.....my momma always told me you pay for what you get!!!

So, here is my opinion part...if you want cheaper and good, but not great....then yeah go with Bat, but if you want great....there is only one obvious choice...RockBlocker!!!

im gona go with Bat :) thanks to everyone.... still waiting on pics though...

Now be honest would you go with Bat if you had to pay or just got you got them for free?? We know you asked us and unfortunately we are full on sponsorships and I had to turn you down. So be honest when you answer that question. Good luck to you and glad you are getting smoked. If you need anything please let us know how we can help.

i am paying for them, and after seeing his retail prices vrs your retail prices, yes, i would have gone with him.

in a market where i cant touch the product before i buy it, price means more to me then what people say. its not that hard to make a second user name to support your own product. im not saying you do this, just it could be done.

but i will deff post pics and a review of all of bats products as soon as i get them in.

im gona go with Bat :) thanks to everyone.... still waiting on pics though...

Now be honest would you go with Bat if you had to pay or just got you got them for free?? We know you asked us and unfortunately we are full on sponsorships and I had to turn you down. So be honest when you answer that question. Good luck to you and glad you are getting smoked. If you need anything please let us know how we can help.

i am paying for them, and after seeing his retail prices vrs your retail prices, yes, i would have gone with him.

in a market where i cant touch the product before i buy it, price means more to me then what people say. its not that hard to make a second user name to support your own product. im not saying you do this, just it could be done.

but i will deff post pics and a review of all of bats products as soon as i get them in.

WOW!!! If you aren't saying it, then why did you bring it up. I think that is pretty low to even bring something like that up. And what does that have to do with the cost of the product, which is what you said was your determining factor?

You know what??? If you want to go with price over quality, then so be it....just don't be upset if your headlight takes a rock and cracks, knowing if you had spent the extra ten or so dollars if wouldn't have happened. It may look as good, but looks aren't everything....another fun one for you....

Don't judge a book by it's cover!!!

I am still amazed at your comment. If you weren't thinking it, why did you even say it!!! :nope: No bueno senor!!! :no:

its not that hard to make a second user name to support your own product. im not saying you do this, just it could be done.


I have to jump in here and voice my opinion on this.... I personally know Chad aka..Rockblocker....and Kyle...aka Koolaid.... They are both good friends of mine and They are two different people on here and with your comment I feel as if you are sorta of accusing Rockblocker of making a 2nd user name to support his product. even though your not saying he did and that it could be done but if you weren't thinking that you wouldn't of posted it. That is not the case. We have a very tight group here in phoenix and we support one another when we can. Kyle came on here to voice his opinon.

I personally have Rockblocker products on my car and I wouldn't go with anything else. But that is just me because I am really happy with the product. I have not seen any of Blue Bats products personally but from my understanding of what I have heard and seen people post on ScionLife is that they are just overlays (basically colored tint) and don't provide a protection. Now I am not saying his product isn't good. If you are wanting that smoked look or whater i'm sure it will work fine and looks good. But when it comes to protection I have no idea if it does that at all.

I am glad that I went with Rockblockers Clear bra and Light protection because just as Koolaid mentioned here in Phoenix we have a lot of rocks and debre on the roads here. I have so many rock chips on my car (window, roof, window pillars, etc...), I've also had to replace my windshield as well. But where the clear bra is....No chips what so ever. I've also had some nice road debre hit the front of my car many of times (example....blown raidial tires that people run over and throw up as they drive over it) and no scratches what so ever to the Rockblocker.

I guess it all comes down to what you want....just an overlay or protection. Blue Bat's overlays will give you that great look and Rockblocker will give you that great look and protection....

im gona go with Bat :) thanks to everyone.... still waiting on pics though...

Now be honest would you go with Bat if you had to pay or just got you got them for free?? We know you asked us and unfortunately we are full on sponsorships and I had to turn you down. So be honest when you answer that question. Good luck to you and glad you are getting smoked. If you need anything please let us know how we can help.

i am paying for them, and after seeing his retail prices vrs your retail prices, yes, i would have gone with him.

in a market where i cant touch the product before i buy it, price means more to me then what people say. its not that hard to make a second user name to support your own product. im not saying you do this, just it could be done.

but i will deff post pics and a review of all of bats products as soon as i get them in.

Yeah I cant believe it either Koolaid. Orange your comments and post are kind of funny to be totally honest. You claim you are paying for the products, but your sig says sponsored by Bluebat?? Now what sense does that make? None to tell you the truth since you were wanting free product from us. So I know you hit up Bat as well. You are not gonna hit up one and not the other. Dont hate cause we turned you down.

Sure his retail price is cheaper and so is ours for the same quality of product. But when you compare a 7 mil vinyl sticker to a 20 mil high impact resistant plastic. Do you really think the price should be the same?? Our tC headlight in 7 mil is $29.95. 20 mil (almost three times thicker) for $49.95.

Now as for your comment on making up a user. lets see. Why doesnt everyone check Koolaid's posts, how long he has been a member and what he posts about.

Then compare the same way with a new poster on here called G35pinoy. He has made a total of 5 posts and everyone is about Bat something looks off more so than Koolaid who is just a customer of ours and spoke his mind.

As a user that has never seen either product sure price comes in to play, so does the quality, the thickness, craftsmanship and other peoples perception of the products you are looking at otherwise you wouldnt of even posted and asked for others opinion.

If cost is the only thing you care about then so be it. Thats on you and you get what you pay for, but dont come on here and make accusations that I made up a fake account.

Hello all,

As a Scion Dealer, we get hit up all day and night with products ot pitch to our customers. This is almost a daily occurence for us since modifying a Scion is a lifestyle. That being said, I want everyone to know that we stand 100% behind our products and services that we offer at the dealership. That means even the outside services we offer to our customers. Chad came to us 3 years ago when he moved here and pitched his products to us. We liked the idea, but needed to see what the products did, how they looked and how well they worked so I offered up my car for a demo. We liked it so much at the dealership that we recommend the products to all of our customers.

Chad has always stood by his products and quality of them that we have been using them for the last 3 years and wont use anyone else. There seems to be some he said she said junk going on in here. I can tell you that both Chad and Kyle are two different people.

Everyone has the right to choose which products they buy, which they use and that is all good. That is what makes everyone different and unique. Keep modding!

Wow, I think this thread is getting alittle out of hand. Look, both Rockblocker and I offer good products. I never touted my overlays as full protection by any means. I do use a thinner material whereas Chad uses a thicker material. You'll get the same look from both. If you seriously want major protection, maybe Rockblocker is the way to go. If protection isnt your #1 priority and you wanna save alittle money, you can go my route. I've been approached by companies like Laminex to use their materials for my product. Although it is more expensive than what I use, I chose the cheaper route only because you have companies like Rockblocker, Cleargaurd...using the thicker material and offer premium protection. So I'm just offering an alternative althopigh may not provide premium protection, it gives the same look at a lower price.

Bottom line is, its nice to have choices. People will have their opinions on both. Lets just be grateful there's more than one choice here :wink:

Bat™

Bottom line is, its nice to have choices. People will have their opinions on both. Lets just be grateful there's more than one choice here :wink:

Bat™

Amen brother

I'm just going to say that, leaving everything else out of the discussion, the Rockblocker material is much easier to install on complex surfaces like tC headlights. I've used both products (and still have BlueBats on my TBL) so I"m not just making an assumption here.

Both RockBlocker and BlueBat have great products and great customer service. And I applaud them both for what they do for us Scion owners.

2nd that....and Bat, please don't take my comments as anything negative towards your product. As seen by the images and testimonies of your many customers, you have a great product along with RockBlockers!!! :clap: As you said, looks wise yours is just as great as RockBlockers, but if protection is your concern then maybe RockBlocker is better. I was just thrown off by Orange's comments and felt the need to defend myself....





....since he basically accused me of not being real. I know he made the disclaimer comment in his post, but he still said it and that means he was thinking it!!! And that ain't koo!
:nope:
:no:





Amen to 2 great businessman understanding how competition drives their market to succedd!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Hey, dont forget about AggressiveOverlays they are much like Bat's stuff in thickness. Whatever you get make sure that you are completely sober when you try to install them, drunk installs dont turn out real well.

i didnt hit up bat, he contacted me. i never asked you for free product, i asked for a sponsorship. i am in the market for an overlay. i could care less about rock protection. this was never a topic for opinions i just wanted to see how cars looked with blacked out headlights and what the light output was (still hasnt been answered.)

and sorry to kooLAID, it wasnt an attack on you, but i have seen on other sites were people will pull this kind of stunt. it was not an attack on you or your realness.

i do want to thank everyone for their input on the topic BUT I STILL WANT LIGHT PICS!!!! i prolly would have gone with rock blocker if i wanted protection, but i do my best to drive like grandma and away from trucks, so that is just not a concern for me.

again, thank you a sorry to everyone!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Way to bring us back to the SL level! Not drunkenness, but extreme laughter and fun!!! That is the reason I hang out here, that I don't ever really want to work on Fridays!!! Who does???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Let end it at that guys. Chad and I both have been vendors on here for a good while now. It wasnt until now that something like this stirred up the pot. Now, lets but our boxing gloves down and have a Batweiser shall we :P

Bat™

I stay on ScionSmoke.com for the most part since the threads stay very loose and fun on there.


I posted some pix on the first page of my friends headlights

i didnt hit up bat, he contacted me. i never asked you for free product, i asked for a sponsorship. i am in the market for an overlay. i could care less about rock protection. this was never a topic for opinions i just wanted to see how cars looked with blacked out headlights and what the light output was (still hasnt been answered.)

RockBlocker wrote:Check out our gallery and options for your car. If you are looking for Smoked on the heads then the Smoked 20%. Offers the best in light protection from pitting and/or breaking of the light and good smoked coverage. Light loss is 17%, but many upgrade to HIDS so they dont care.

Clear coated high impact resistant film with a lifetime warranty from manufacturing defects.

And that was on page 1!!!

PICS WITH THE HEADLIGHTS ON. not covers, but the bright lights behind the covers....

contact superblue, he is the one in the pic

Heres a pic with headlights on and my darker 6/10 tint. You're looking at about a 15% decrease in light output. Now with my lighter 3/10 tint no more than 5% decrease in light output :wink:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Scion%20Overlays/tch38.jpg
Bat™

i never asked you for free product, i asked for a sponsorship.

With a Sponsorship you will uaually get free product and are a trade off. A company is going to give you their product not making you pay for it and you will Promote them with placing stickers on your ride, telling people about their product, supporting them...etc....

i have sponsors for my site, keeps all the ads on my site and off my car, other than a few select decals

No worries...aplogy accepted and thanks! Not sure how well a night photo would come out, but we can try and take some pics tonight of a few of the guys with RockBlocker's on...I know it isn't the same, but will at least give you the idea of what they look like at night.

As RockBlocker and Bat said earlier, just upgrade to HID and it won't be a problem. Plus, once you go HID....you never will want your stock bulbs again!

You wanted pics so here ya go... I only took a couple

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/Scion%20tC/DSC00309.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/Scion%20tC/DSC00308.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/Scion%20tC/DSC00307.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/Scion%20tC/DSC00292.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/BrownDogg04/Scion%20tC/DSC00295.jpg

Thanks Browndogg for posting those pics up. I didnt have my camera with me. The real test is what the road looks like lit up not what the high beam or the low beam looks like. Looking at the lights isnt the same as driving with them.

Everyone have a great day!!!

thanks browndogg.

sorry for all the huff guys, thanks and have a great weekend!

this is what SL is here for. non logical fights!!!

Just my last two cents before this thread gets locked.

Think of this situation this way. Chad and Andy are offering the same product: Overlays. IMO Andy and Chads products differ and are similar in a number if ways. The one thing they both share common is the love for their craft.

This discussion isn't about money, its about your word and your name as a salesmen. When you're an online vendor those are the only things your reputation stands on.

I though about it this way. If all of us gathered at some kind of meet, would we be hating and saying "Oh my stuff is better than your stuff"? NO!!! We would be swapping stories, ideas, and giving props to one each other for their accomplishments. THAT is what the scion community is all about.

Just my last two cents before this thread gets locked.

Think of this situation this way. Chad and Andy are offering the same product: Overlays. IMO Andy and Chads products differ and are similar in a number if ways. The one thing they both share common is the love for their craft.

This discussion isn't about money, its about your word and your name as a salesmen. When you're an online vendor those are the only things your reputation stands on.

I though about it this way. If all of us gathered at some kind of meet, would we be hating and saying "Oh my stuff is better than your stuff"? NO!!! We would be swapping stories, ideas, and giving props to one each other for their accomplishments. THAT is what the scion community is all about. :clap: :clap:

This post has given me some ideas

i love rockblockers work! i have gone through two scions now and he has not let me down. wen i got into my crash all the rock blocker stood up to its name my lights were completely shattered but still helt intact by rockblocker. i go to him for all my needs from tinting my headlights blue to smoking my tailights and clear bra-ing my tc! for work her in phoenix i recomend him for any vinyl overlays. wen you go with rockblocker you dont just get an excellent product you get a lifetime of friendship. he is a pro! I remember trying to go the cheap way and putting some stuff on myself....... yeah wasnt happening. i not only ended up losing money on the cheaper product i ended up paying more than i should of for just trying to save a couple of bucks. I to asked for sponsorship from him and at the time he was booked full with his sponsorships. that still didnt get me to turn away from purchasing a great product. i dont only speak for myself but for many in the communitty
ROCKBLOCKER is the only way to go!