Creative Compacts has made a Short Ram Intake for the TC called "Weapon R Secret Weapon" for the TC.

They Dynoed it on a Stock TC and had a 13HP Gain! Im all over this now, Cause I doubt the Injen or AEM will ever top this..Even w/ a CAI.

Heres some pics:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_60_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_61_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_62_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_65_full.jpg

I think it looks bad ___ and hes selling it for 240.00, Not a bad Price..

Do you guys think Injen can top this?! and would you buy it?

These are Lvnurs9 Pics*

short ram air pipes are often just as good, but $240.00 is ridiculous

that thing should be no more than $100.00
if it was priced about $100.00 i would buy one

i agree it does look pretty fukkin good!

Is there a dyno sheet to go along with the 13hp claim?

Did they dyno it w/ the hood up? I'm no intake expert - but it looks like that thing would suck in a lot of hot air from the engine bay.

Like I siad...not an expert...just curious...and $250 does seem a bit steep.

Happy motoring.

And that filter is way close to the MAF sensor. Might have problems..$240?!!! Wow thats high for such a simple piece.

Yeh $240 does seem a little much for that product... I mean even it it does gain 13hp its not beacause they made some special design or anything :roll:

I highly doubt that short ram intake can make 13hp with the hood closed. Typical gains from short ram intakes are 4-6hp because they draw hot air from the engine. the hood had to have open while testing. I would never buy that thing, it is not a name i can trust. It seems too sketch to me. Ingen is a name ican trust because plenty of people use their products and it is of known quality. And yes, it is very over-priced. It is just a scam :!:

http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/SciontC/SciontCWRDyno2.jpg

Theres the Dyno Sheet

http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ScionTc/ScionSWIntake.jpg

Intake Gained 12.91HP over STOCK Intake on completely STOCK tC!

Weapon*R Intakes are CNC Mandrel Bent out of 6061 aluminum, and are flow tuned to match every engine application to maximize engine output. Instructions and all hardware is included in the kit. To further improve performance gains from an intake system, we have developed an Air Turbulence Defuser which is Tig-welded into the air stream of MOST of our intake pipes. The Defuser is strategically placed in the intake pipe to create a harmonic balance in the air charge, which straightens the airflow and creates a Hyper Combustible formation of air intake charge. To increase intake charge, we developed the Secret Weapon Filter, which features an internal tuned flow velocity stack design and Air Turbulence guides to maximize gains. Weapon*R uses the highest quality High Flow 4PLy Poly Urethane Foam to ensure a protected high performance engine. Many studies have shown Higher flow & Better Dirt Filtration with Foam Filter and the conventional cotton filter. Flow rates of up to 80% more Air, which increases your engines performance.

WR Secret Weapon is compared to AEM V2 Intakes developed for other vehicles. When dyno tested on other cars in which AEM V2 Is available, WR Secret Weapon Intake dynoed better HP numbers and computer calculated 1/4 mile times.


Thats the Description of it all..

$240 bucks??

Yes I would and even want to buy it...But for about 3-4 feet of 3-4 inch of metal piping...?

what, is the air filter the expensive part?? What, is it made of Llama hair or something??

hehe yea I know, Im trying 2 talk him down but I dunno..

But 13 HP? Come on, Injen cant do better than that

Did the torque go down or am I misreading that dyno sheet?

Did the torque go down or am I misreading that dyno sheet?

Oh ____..I didnt see that..

Wow..

What's with all the welding? Could they not bend a single piece properly or something?

Let's see a dyno sheet of before and after...then we'll talk...

Let's see a dyno sheet of before and after...then we'll talk...
I was under the impression that the 126.79 hp and 142.02 tq run was the baseline. I have no idea what the two runs in between the high and low are.

Also, found this on the Weapon R site:
The Secret Weapon Intake Systems are carefully CNC mendrel bent out of 6061 Aluminum, and then Hand Tig Welded in sections to ensure a constant balance in airflow, regulation in airspeed, positive seal and proper fittment. Each one of these intake systems are carefully tuned, by matching the engines displacement, air intake capacity and airspeed to the intake systems tube size,length and secondary pathway tubing diameters to maximize the full potential of the SECRET WEAPON INTAKE SYSTEM.
It looks like the intake has a smaller tube inside which is described here:
This is possible by Creating two different paths of airflow, both flowing at different airspeeds, due to the tubing diameter in which the air is traveling. Now when the 2 different paths of air meet,they create a vacuum, which is where the airspeed starts to multiply, forcing more air into the engine at a higher rate, creating more horsepower.
That could be one of the reasons the whole thing isn't mandrel bent. Here's a pic from lvnurs9's Cardomain site:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_37_full.jpg

And not to beat this to death, but doesn't the intake below, which I believe is the one installed on lvnurs9's car, look different than the pic I included below it? It doesn't even look like the lower one will fit. The part that connects to the throttle body (on the left) seems to be missing a bend.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_35_full.jpg

http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ScionTc/ScionSWIntake.jpg

that smaller tube inside is basically AEM's V2 style intakes. those are significantly better than a regular tube, BUT i'd say its still sketchy. Their baseline dyno was 126whp eh? no one else concerned about that? the baseline should have been around 135.

if it was 126 thats 21.25% drivetrain loss. The tc should be around 15% loss.

13hp is the max and 6hp is the min...so there's no guarantee that you will get 13hp out of it...more like 6-13?...and temps were in the upper 60's...I imagine gains would be significantly lower in a hotter climate (and w/ the hood closed?)...if I am reading it correctly.

what is the significance of the numbers on the .drf files? if they are sequential, then he made a little torque and dropped power.

hmm.. interesting DYNO ... 13HP gain.. that's prob the greatest gain ever from any intake. I've never heard or seen such a gain...simply from an intake alone.

Only prob I have is the fact that it's short ram... i wish the intake could be longer and go down into the lower front bumper area..where all the cool air is inducted rather than to sit inside the engine well where all the engine heat is trapped ... and sucked into the intake. I doubt hot air really helps the engine ...

and for $240...way too much for an intake. maybe $150 sounds more reasonable ...especially for a short ram.

ehhh anyone read what i wrote about the dyno??

Hmm yea..He said its compared to the AEM V2 Version..

I also thought that the baseline WHP should be like 135 Like Demon Eyez said..

Where'd 126 come from?

::Scratchin' My Head::

Injen hurry up..

ehhh anyone read what i wrote about the dyno??
I guess not :)

The dyno sheet looks funny - it's very hard to distinguish between these multiple shades of pink.

As for low baseline HP - it all depends on a dyno. One will show 149whp, another will show 119 - it's all about the skill of a dyno operator, if they did SAE correction, if their temperture/air pressure sensors are working, etc. Too many variables. I guess performance parts gains should be measured in %, not HP - cause every dyno will be different.

my guess is they had a rat stuck in the stock intake which is why it dyno'd at 126. then the short ram didnt really create more power it just didnt have a rat in it so they dyno'd where its supposed to be. : )

Hey Scion Owners... I am going to try to answer as many questions as possible... Try to calm these very uneasy waters which are filled with lots of assumptions....

First things first... Did the intake gain the HP that is claimed? YES. Not only is it proven on a Dyno, but the car we installed the intakes on his and tested is not even ours and the Original Owner was at the dyno. We are aware that the torque curve is showing a loss of 2HP and we do believe it was simply a Dynojet Error or because of the heat. We are looking to re-dyno the production intake with our exhaust kits sometime next week or right after SEMA.

Now what I will do, since I am a ClubTC Forums member, is try to answer as many questions here as I can without advertising. So I hope I answer all your questions. If not, hit me up over there or by E-mail.

Zac: Short Ram Pipes are usually a $100? Only if you are trying to by the el cheapo BOMZ Racing Intakes off Ebay. I stock AEM and one of the cheapest we have is for the cougar which still comes in around $129. The intake that we are promoting is a WR Secret Weapon Intake.. The intake is ONLY comparable to the AEM V2 Intakes. Even though they are a short ram intake style, they are producing alot of power without the need of having to go into the fenderwell or risk of hydrolock.

3IGS: As posted in this thread... we do have the dyno sheets and they have been posted. When we did the dyno, we did leave the hood popped because this dyno facility did not have any fans in the building to simulate the air crossing the front of the car. Again just like I stated to Zac, I am sorry you feel that $240 is steep when AEM is asking $249.95 for preorders with no dyno numbers and IS just pipe. SW is not just one pipe.

Scott17: Please advise on the problems of the MAF Sensor being too close to the filter. Simple piece that took about 3-4 days to get right to create the HP you are seeing and dyno testing to make sure it produced what we wanted? Each intake takes about 1-2 hours to make due to the 2 pipe design (One Outer and One Inner)

Kaeon: 13hp is because the intake is a special design, Its not your typical Short Ram.

Ghaly: Our regular short ram did gain about 6hp on the dyno. The intake we are promoting at $240 is producing 13hp. If its a scam, I would like to know how so and why you assume this when you have never dealt with us.

Smurf3642: See other responses..


For those who think this is all a scam or sketchy.. I dunno what else to say. Our company nor did Weapon R have anything to do with the DYNO pulls or reporting. The car that was dynoed both baseline and with the intakes was lvnurs9's car. The dyno was done at a business that is not owned by either of the two companies involved. If someone else would like to dyno it within 5 days of getting the intake, I can offer to them at a great discount. Just call me or e-mail me... We will do whatever it takes to prove we are making 12.91hp out of this intake. However there is no way we can reduce the price of the intakes. If you want a cheap $150 intake, find one. At this time only WR is producing intakes. We do offer the basic short ram intake for $159 Shipped and that intake gained 6hp... Your decision... I am very confident that the AEM will not produce like the Secret Weapon

Is there any way to get a torque gain instead of HP gain with CAI..?

Never really studied into air intake systems...

If you guys are doing another Dyno with your modification, please post a before and after dyno pic Please...

If you have a before and after pic to fullproof back up your claims (not accusing of thme being false) you will have numerous buyers in hours (I do not deny it)...

:D

This will be my first engine mod if I can see a better understood Dyno sheet...

Sorry we will not be redynoing the intake.. We are not going to continue to take intakes on and off for another dyno sheet. We have done everything within reason to prevent anything that would make people think they were fake or what have you and the only thing left is to try it yourself. Like I said if someone else wants to dyno it, PM me and I can offer you a discount on the intake. Hopefully this will be one of your "members" and maybe then you will believe it. Honestly I have personally seen this on every forum... including the cougar boards and yet to this day, the #1 selling intake for the cougar is the Weapon R with over 15 intakes a week... Not bad considering there is an ebay intake for $40. Point is no intakes on the market are producing the power WR is. TPR Magazine actually did an INTAKE Test on Hondas and other cars and WR won all the tests...

I can't stress enough.... as impressive as the 12.91hp raise is... It means nothing compared to the constant 6hp gain across the powerband.

Can someone re-post the dyno sheets? The pics are broken..

Our site is just down for a lil bit.. we are awaiting to find the glitch why all the webservers are down.

Thanks

I don't have any reason to doubt the claims of this intake. and $250 for 13HP is a STEAL! The only problem I have is the base dyno numbers. The other stock dyno I saw read 141.5 Torque and 149.9 HP. What would cause this rather large discrepensy in stock dyno numbers?

like i said. : ) their intake sucked up a lil rat.

wait, so is there any gain with torque??

$240 doesn't sound like too much to me, especially since my Scion dealer quoted me $1200 for the AEM intake.

i dont mind paying 240..its not that much i love the hp gain..

but am i guaranteed that much cause he said the hood was up during the dyno allowing cooler air than if the hood was down..

also the torque looked like it went down once installed..looking at the dyno.

help me out creative compacts hehe :D

$240 doesn't sound like too much to me, especially since my Scion dealer quoted me $1200 for the AEM intake. That would have had to come with a coupon book for 10 BJs or something! :lol: :lol: 1200? :shock:

I think I'm gonna wait and see if Hotshot, or Iceman produce anything, 240 is steep, I don't care what business BS you pull, 240, and technically its more like 250 :P is way too much, even with your pipe design...wow :shock: a pipe inside a pipe! Sorry if I sound like I'm ragging on you, you have to defend your product, its your job. But if you think 240 is a low price for this intake, you are sadly mistaken. Like others said, 150 is a more realistic price. I will wait a few years if thats gonna be the price. :P

$240 doesn't sound like too much to me, especially since my Scion dealer quoted me $1200 for the AEM intake. That would have had to come with a coupon book for 10 BJs or something! :lol: :lol: 1200? :shock:

No, no BJ's... but it does include labor for the installation, at $400 an hour. I do live in NY.

I wanted to get the intake, exhaust, and springs/shocks, but including the labor, that would have added about $7500 to the price of the car ($1200 for the intake, $4000 for the springs/shocks, $2000 for the exhaust that's supposed to be like $500) ... just can't see spending half again as much as the car's worth on mild performance mods.

Sorry for the whole scam thing, but I think the hood on or off makes a difference.

yeah please someone do a dyno with that intake and get discount and let us know then we will get em...

How about a group buy will creativeCompact will give us some discount for group buy let's do it

Hood open versus Hood closed may mess the dyno up? haha that is real funny. I could see if we were on the dyno all day testing intakes and the heat was BUILDING up under the hood... Howver... We made 5 pulls, during the 5 pulls we did them in the following order:

Stock, Regular Intake, Secret Intake, Secret Intake.

So even basing the assumption the hood open allowed colder air, EVEN Though the temp barely changed between intakes, it means nothing basing the temp of the motor.

On most dynos they use a fan in fromt of the car to SIMULATE driving conditions and we had no fans. It sounds like many of you are just looking for excuses to not believe that we are really making power out of the intake. But its your car, modify it the way you want.

Finally for those of you who are still complaining about price (Even though AEM is $249.95), bare in mind we still have the Regular Intake available which is producing 6hp is available for $159 Shipped.

Thanks
James

sorry to say, but i dont think ANY Aem intake costs 249.95 or your a moron to pay that much.

most websites/places sell the AEM for the tibs for 210 - 220. too bad for them i can get it for 170.

Reason why having the hood off does effect the dyno.

Your driving around in your car and you pull up to a light. Heatsoak kicks in, everything under your hood is super hot. Now you drive off and the car feels sluggish.

If your dynoing with the hood open, the heat from the engine rises out and doesnt get trapped "under" the hood, cus there isn't one. Its basically leaving cooler air in the engine bay, which is where the SRI pulls in air from. If it were a cold air intake, it wouldnt matter.

Also, i know you can't really dyno with the hood on, im sure you have to plug up wires for the RPM signals. But still thats why people are saying this, so don't knock on the people who might be your customers.

Regardless, you have never explained to us why the baseline dyno was so low. You know for a fact yourself that 22% drivetrain loss is way too much. Unless the vehicle is an automatic. Which you haven't clarified.

Also, you should reset the ECU before every pull. and do a baseline at the end as well putting the stock box back on.

Don't say that we are looking for excuses not to believe you when your dyno sheets themselves have a few issues you need to clairfy. Such as the why the baseline is so low? isnt it possible that since you did one baseline run, that run was flawed and really it dyno'd at around 135 if you would have done more? that alone would wipe out your entire "gain". Also you lose torque. You said there was something fishy about that yourself.

Now trust me, i know that NOT having a hood on, or at least having it open is normal dyno procedure. but, its still your job to talk to us politely and not just say were looking for excuses. Your here to convince us, not to tell us were paranoid.

P.S your still right, AEM and INJEN are overpriced as well. Its why i only paid 130 for my own AEM intake in red. <--- got in a good deal.

btw? did you reset the ECU before each run?

wanted to get the intake, exhaust, and springs/shocks, but including the labor, that would have added about $7500 to the price of the car ($1200 for the intake, $4000 for the springs/shocks, $2000 for the exhaust that's supposed to be like $500) ... just can't see spending half again as much as the car's worth on mild performance mods.

:roll:

gimme some of whatever the hell you are smoking.

aem intake - $250
springs/shocks - $600
exhaust - $350

mcgeorgeparts.com

i gurantee you can install the intake and exhaust yourself. springs and shocks might be a problem, so take them to a shop. $1500 total you should be set...not $7500.

:roll:

gimme some of whatever the hell you are smoking.

aem intake - $250
springs/shocks - $600
exhaust - $350

mcgeorgeparts.com

i gurantee you can install the intake and exhaust yourself. springs and shocks might be a problem, so take them to a shop. $1500 total you should be set...not $7500.
He said his dealer was charging $400/hr labor. It seems incredibly excessive, but I don't know why he'd lie about it. If he wanted those accessories, and wanted them dealer-installed, he would have paid that much.

i was under the impression that when you bought the tc and you ordered accessories, they would be installed at port w/ no labor included. as for the $400/hour for labor, if you go anywhere else no one will charge you near that. look around online or make some phone calls and you will save yourself a lot of money. you don't have to go to a dealer and get raped. there are plenty more options out there.

I called my sponsor and i'm prolly going to put my car into the shop in the next week, once i get my numbers back from my MAFci Intake system, then we'll compare cost/hp between all the intakes out now, and ones that haven't been thought of... i expect that the intake that i'll have on my tC will top everyone out there... the only thing that makes people get all wide eyed for is the cost... but i'm going to work on that with them... if your interested in that... check out this webpage...

www.cp-e.com

If intersted, follow this link below, and add your name!

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=330401&highlight=mafci#330401

Also i'll be sure to let everyone know the dyno results as well as post it up w/ pictures!

:wink: :D

what about cost bro? i can make a cold air intake for you guys w/ a true K&N filter for around 125 - 150 polished.

When we dynoed the vehicle... Baselines as well as intake pulls were both done 2 TIMES. We posted the highest numbers for the baseline and regular intake and then we also posted both pulls for the Secret Weapon. If you are familiar with dynos you know that all dynos are different on HP ratings... We could simply do the pulls on the same dyno and give the gains on the dyno. There is NO OTHER way to check things unless you go to another dyno. Where we are there is only the DynoJet, hence why we offered someone else the offer to dyno it locally elsewhere.

Reason why having the hood off does effect the dyno.

Your driving around in your car and you pull up to a light. Heatsoak kicks in, everything under your hood is super hot. Now you drive off and the car feels sluggish.

If your dynoing with the hood open, the heat from the engine rises out and doesnt get trapped "under" the hood, cus there isn't one. Its basically leaving cooler air in the engine bay, which is where the SRI pulls in air from. If it were a cold air intake, it wouldnt matter.

Just wondering if you ever thought that while the hood is closed " IN NORMAL DRIVING CONDITOINS" there is air moving into the engine bay and then escaping?

Meaning the hot air is always moving out of the engine compartment?
So if you would like to prove me wrong go ahead and install an temp prbe in your engine compartment and drive around..

The temp will raise when your at a stoplight, which is usually 1 minute, which you can see's no hp gain anyways, the darn thing aint moving. And even if the filter gets heat soaked, it will go away within mnutes, and for cold air intakes the filter too can get heat soaked, from the atomospheric heat.

SO the dyno is not completely accurate to simulate any normal driving conditions, The dyno is merely to give you a idea of how much Hp something can create.

IMO, people who want to buy it, go ahead, people who dont, just keep your thoughts to yourself. The real only way to see the horsepower is to try it yourself.

And for the people who are actively hating, your never going to believe in any other new product, except for what the industry tells you is cool. Be diferent and find out for yourself. Which is why this intake is called the Secret Weapon.

"Demoneyes"
We make custom air intakes, headers, reservoir tanks, turbo exhaust manifolds.

If you want to come by we will service you in making an cold air intake for you.
Price depends on what length you want the pipe to be, and what diameter.
Raw material you can calculate yourself. Labor is $100 a hour for welding and installation. Take into consideration you need a sensor adapter out of aluminum to make a cold air intake work for your car, the car willnot run without the air flow sensor.

Were in South San francisco, Ca
650-877-8280

"Demoneyes"
We make custom air intakes, headers, reservoir tanks, turbo exhaust manifolds.

If you want to come by we will service you in making an cold air intake for you.
Price depends on what length you want the pipe to be, and what diameter.
Raw material you can calculate yourself. Labor is $100 a hour for welding and installation. Take into consideration you need a sensor adapter out of aluminum to make a cold air intake work for your car, the car willnot run without the air flow sensor.

Were in South San francisco, Ca
650-877-8280

hey i know while the cars moving that air circulates. thus i said when you stop AT A LIGHT the hot air sits.

Also, thank you for the offer, but I have my own connections out here in atlanta. : ) I have companies that do full mandrel pipings *they actually make em not find prebent cut/weld*. Also a company to make any style intercooler i want, hpc ceramic coating, powdercoating, welding steel, aluminum. tig mig. : ) thanx but yeah im set.

best part is since their my friends as well. I really don't get charged much for labor.

P.S someone came up to me with a tc and inquired about a new Intake manifold. Im thinking about it.

Actually it's not U-Bends cut and weld..
These are bent pipes to the scion TC.
And secondly there is a second pipe inside the pipe.
Logically you cannot ut another pipe inside a pipe without cutting certain angles and sections to put that pipe inside.

If you have your own connections by all means do what you gotta do, but i can guarntee this... " I got $150 on it " NO OTHER AIR INTAKE / WHEATHER COLD AIR OR SHORT RAM " WILL BEAT THIS INTAKE SYSTEM.

If you can make a better intake than this one " HORSEPOWER WISE "..
Let'd Set up a dyno showdown. CHeck out the INtake Dyno Showdown from TPR MAGAZINE, And check out the latest issue of TPR MAGAZINE, they test the SW on an Integra Type-R. WWW.TPRMAG.COM

I put my money where my muth is..

And we guarntee " MONEY BACK " this intake will perform as tested.

And one more thing.
If this intake performed this well without any fans in front of it on the dyno after so many passes, wonder how it will do with fans in front of the car to simulate driving conditions?

Actually it's not U-Bends cut and weld..
These are bent pipes to the scion TC.
And secondly there is a second pipe inside the pipe.
Logically you cannot ut another pipe inside a pipe without cutting certain angles and sections to put that pipe inside.

If you have your own connections by all means do what you gotta do, but i can guarntee this... " I got $150 on it " NO OTHER AIR INTAKE / WHEATHER COLD AIR OR SHORT RAM " WILL BEAT THIS INTAKE SYSTEM.

If you can make a better intake than this one " HORSEPOWER WISE "..
Let'd Set up a dyno showdown. CHeck out the INtake Dyno Showdown from TPR MAGAZINE, And check out the latest issue of TPR MAGAZINE, they test the SW on an Integra Type-R. WWW.TPRMAG.COM

I put my money where my muth is..

And we guarntee " MONEY BACK " this intake will perform as tested.

And one more thing.
If this intake performed this well without any fans in front of it on the dyno after so many passes, wonder how it will do with fans in front of the car to simulate driving conditions?

wasn't implying anything about that being cut/weld. I meant how most people go to shops who only take prebent and use whatever they need, i got access to more than just that. that was all.

Like I said... they charge $400 an hour for labor installation. I do live in Manhattan, so labor costs are always excessive.

As for installing the parts myself... I used to be a mechanic (the type who fixes machines in factories, not cars), so I could probably do most of it myself... if I didn't live in Manhattan. Can't really pull the car over on the West Side Highway and start yanking out manifolds.

The springs/struts cost that much because they told me it would be a two man job to install them, and take 4 hours. $400 x 2 x 4 = $3200 for labor on the installation.

I don't see why every one is making such a problem out of this. There was an intake on a stock rsx-s that gained 22hp at the wheels. How is 12.9peak impossible? I just don't see why everyone is so against making horspower. As for the price, if you look around for SOME high-q intakes, the prices ARE over 200. Differen't car's have different prices as well so keep that in mind. The AEM intake for our car is around the same price so how is this intake "over-priced" if it costs about the same and makes more power?

What I'm more curious about is the metal piping. Would vendors (including WR) consider selling heat wrap to keep the pipe somewhat cooler? Or should I send it out to be coated? I wrapped some pipes on my 02 turbo civic and it helped a great deal.

Dude, someones trying to bone you dry! The national average for labor at a Toyota dealership is $79 hr. It ain't no harder to install in Manhatten than in Peoria. At $400 an hour I doubt they would get any business.

I don't see why every one is making such a problem out of this. There was an intake on a stock rsx-s that gained 22hp at the wheels. How is 12.9peak impossible? I just don't see why everyone is so against making horspower. As for the price, if you look around for SOME high-q intakes, the prices ARE over 200. Differen't car's have different prices as well so keep that in mind. The AEM intake for our car is around the same price so how is this intake "over-priced" if it costs about the same and makes more power?

What I'm more curious about is the metal piping. Would vendors (including WR) consider selling heat wrap to keep the pipe somewhat cooler? Or should I send it out to be coated? I wrapped some pipes on my 02 turbo civic and it helped a great deal.

Real cars, have expensive intakes, we are a eco box with style, our intakes shouldn't be able to touch 250 dollars :P

A Honda S2000 has an expensive intake....why? Because it is a real car as compared to us. A BMW has an expensive intake, most have to be custom, why?...because money makes money. If you pay a lot for your car, your gonna pay a lot to mod it. Its always the case. If you buy a Honda Civic, you can get parts anywhere for cheap...why?...cuz the car is cheap, parts shouldn't be expensive, losing consumers because of cost is just bad marketing.

Plus, now that I've seen these guys talk to us (referring to Weapon R) I won't buy an intake from them. We wanted answers all they could do is try to prove us wrong, which they didn't do a very good job at. You just lost your precious $250.00.

Real cars, have expensive intakes, we are a eco box with style, our intakes shouldn't be able to touch 250 dollars :P

I'm not even going to touch on that one....

Anywho, doing a little price per horsepower comparison, assuming gains are correct:
(rounding price and gain est.)

Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake:
$250
9.5hp (avg of 2 runs)
$26 p/h

Weapon R Standard Intake (or whatever standard intake CC refered to early)
$160
6hp
$27 p/h

TRD Supercharger
$2600 (Carson Scion Listed Price)
40hp (est) - 50hp (est)
$60 p/h - $52 p/h

Seems like a pretty fair price to me, comparatively speaking. A well engineered part is a well engineered part, regardless of if it goes on a "real" car or not. Yes, the TRD Supercharger price and gains are estimated, but more then likely, the price p/h will be higher when the final product is released. Do a price per horsepower for other products out there right now, and I'm sure you'll see similar results.

I have a question for Weapon R and/or Creative Compacts, are these results SAE corrected? I ask because I see "uncorrected" listed in several places on the Dyno, but I'm not sure what the uncorrected is referring to.

Some people need to realize that the cost includes much more than the parts... and it is like that for everything.. not just intakes.

your also paying for the engineering time that went into designing something like this, the testing, the quality, the proof of concept, the maufacturing overhead, the risk incurance, .. the list goes on.


C

scion owners, be ware.

these cars were designed, manufactured and marketed for guys who want to trick their ride on a budget. soon, the market will be flooded with small name parts promising huge gains at moderate prices.

do your homework, ask us dudes here at scionlife and don't be a sucker. because if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

not trying to know the secret weapon intake, this is applicable to all new products.

Iceman, Hotshot, those are the names I trust, why?...cuz they gave my old cars nice gains, without some bull____ price. I paid 130 for my Iceman, and it was just as good as this weapon r....so ummm....that price for our eco box is to much, anyone who thinks 250 is a fair price for two pieces of metal inside each other, should get an MRI,

Bout a few comments made...

Do not say that expensive intakes are made for "Real" sports cars. Do they get special plastics and metals? I can see the real CF intake that's out for the M3, but what's different between the plastic/metal pipes between cars? All I see is that the know they can charge more, because people who can afford an expensive car can usually afford a more expensive intake.

On the 250 note.. mentioned on one of the last posts...

I hade a 95 eclipse when i was 15-16 and the AEM CAI on that was 245. That car definately does not assume the role of a true sports car.

I do a lot of businesses and am pursuing a degree in business... The reason why the Weapon R is close to the price to AEM's... is because AEM is it's only competition. They make more power then AEM and charge about the same price. See the marketing advantage? Why should they charge less? If people want the most HP per dollar, Weapon-R outperforms the one competitor so people will choose that. My 2 cents... Sorry

I was just looking into AEMs and DC Sports dyno testing procedures (http://www.aempower.com/pop_dyno.asp), and they always have the hood up and a fan at the front and rear of the car when they dyno their products. I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers of Weapon R’s final production intake w/ their exhaust system.

i think the AEM cold air would be the best for this car

Let's go AEM :D

Watch out for this product

KHAOS SUPER TURBO CHARGER at SEMA

i believe it's a small versioon of an air intake it saves u gas and not sure how much HP it gives though but then again :) will see as soon as they publish reports about the product

I respect AEM and its brand. However, I was disappointed how it fared on the dyno ... which showed a gain of only 3HP for the xB...compared to 7 or 8HP for Injen and K&N intakes.

I doubt the AEM would show a drastic increase for the tC. It would be nice..but i doubt it can compare to Weapon R dyno , soon... Injen intake.

I know there will be many other companies coming out with intakes for the tC... it'll come down to price and performance... bang for ur buck. Isn't that what Scion is all about?

Some people need to realize that the cost includes much more than the parts... and it is like that for everything.. not just intakes.

your also paying for the engineering time that went into designing something like this, the testing, the quality, the proof of concept, the maufacturing overhead, the risk incurance, .. the list goes on.

C
Bout a few comments made...

Do not say that expensive intakes are made for "Real" sports cars. Do they get special plastics and metals? I can see the real CF intake that's out for the M3, but what's different between the plastic/metal pipes between cars? All I see is that the know they can charge more, because people who can afford an expensive car can usually afford a more expensive intake.

On the 250 note.. mentioned on one of the last posts...

I hade a 95 eclipse when i was 15-16 and the AEM CAI on that was 245. That car definately does not assume the role of a true sports car.

I do a lot of businesses and am pursuing a degree in business... The reason why the Weapon R is close to the price to AEM's... is because AEM is it's only competition. They make more power then AEM and charge about the same price. See the marketing advantage? Why should they charge less? If people want the most HP per dollar, Weapon-R outperforms the one competitor so people will choose that. My 2 cents... Sorry

Both of these guys are right, the price won't come down until someone else lowers their price, the cost of R&D is effectively regained, or demand is so low that they are forced to lower or discontinue the product.

dood...that looks like a peice of ____.....if i wanted an intake that had welds all over it I would make one myself....which i can do...i could produce that exact same intake and it couldnt cost me a 1/4 of that price including the filter and hoses

dood...that looks like a peice of ____.....if i wanted an intake that had welds all over it I would make one myself....which i can do...i could produce that exact same intake and it couldnt cost me a 1/4 of that price including the filter and hoses

They've already explained the welds on the 1st pipe. But, you know what, you go ahead and make your custom fabed version and then dyno it, ok? :P Since apparently you have some incredible engineer and fabrication skills, or connections, your’s should be able to produce the same gains, since you can make the exact same one. And from the sounds of it, you could do it for a lot cheaper, so, you should be able to undercut their price by, what, $100 at least? You could dominate the market :roll:

Did the torque go down or am I misreading that dyno sheet?

Its typical for torque to reduce when there is no air box. The air box helps in the low end since it has built up "pressured" air in there... hence why manufacturers use those. They also quite it down, so if anything, you can technically attach a cone filter to the part where the airbox is, and just keep all your current components. But if you want noise, then get the metal

The Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake requires no tuning, and produces the stated hp increases through a new patent pending technology. I'm sure most of you have read our ad regarding the Secret Weapon Intake. To some of you, the technology makes sense. To others it may seem like a gimmic or gibberish to you. Well let me try and give you some more insight into just how it works.

The scientific law that our intake utilizes is called the Bernoulli Effect.

Bernoulli effect
n.
The phenomenon of internal pressure reduction with increased stream velocity in a fluid. courtesy of Dictionary.com

By using a smaller pipe, we're increasing velocity and reducing pressure through the intake. But now we've lost the volume of using a standard size (3") intake pipe. So add a standard pipe around the smaller, high velocity pipe, and we've regained a large portion of the lost volume, of course subtracting the mass from the inner pipe.

The air moving in the outer area of the intake is moving at a more standard pace, comparable to a standard intake. Now the real magic of this intake doesn't occur until the end of the intake, where the two different air paths meet. Here the Bernoulli Effect takes place, with the low pressure/high velocity inner flow creating a vacuum effect and drawing the air from the outer flow at a higher velocity. So now you have a large volume, high velocity air charge shooting into your engine.

There is also two other positive side effects of this dual pipe. The first is a reduction in turbulence. By reducing turbulence, you have a quicker reacting intake flow, meaning less response lag, and total elimination of "flat spots" in the power band, that many standard intakes create. It's this reduction in turbulence and increased velocity that creates the second side effect, power throughout the powerband, with velocity increasing as rpms increase. We create a turbo-like effect by forcing more air into the engine, thus increasing horsepower and torque.

There are many other places in motorsports where this same Bernoulli's Law is used. Some of the most famous would me drafting in NASCAR, and the aerodynamic flat bottoms of F1 and champ cars. Here's some links if you want to learn more.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/xref/phenomena/bernoulli_effect.html

http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/champ-car3.htm

http://nascar.about.com/cs/nascar101/g/defdraft.htm

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/693000-693999/693703_37_full.jpg


Ray,

I have a few questions that you may be able to answer. According to the picture above, seem it seems to me that the cross section area of the inner pipe is bigger than the "outer" cross sectional area (the ring).

Since Area x Velocity = Constant, the velocity of the inner flow will be lower than the velocity of the outer flow. Seems like the reverse is true, that the outer airflow is contributing by pulling in more air from the higher pressure inner flow. In addition, it seems to me the collision of the two air flows at the end of the pipe will actually increase the turbulence instead of reducing it. We are talking about high speed flow which pull in more air and enchancing mixing. Won't that contribute to more turbulence?

I can't believe that I never read this thread!! I realize just about all that can be said has been, but this is what I have to say in response to what I have read here:

1. Thanks for advertising my car! She is quite the talk I see.
2. Price- check around. mcgeorge, partznet, TRD....do your own comparison and if you think it's too expensive, don't buy it.
3. The dyno probably could have been more organized, but it was a small shop and 30 minutes before they closed. We wanted to give you the results. I am sorry that my car is slower then all of yours, but either way, it's the difference in HP that matters. You're car may run 200HP for all I care, but this intake will give it a 13HP gain.
4. It's a 5 speed. I don't drive automatics.
5. This "piece" isn't simple. Actually quite complicated. And what difference does it make where the sensor is? That's about where stock lies.
6. Sorry the dyno sheet is hard to read, but it's not my fault the shops printer ran out of color ink.
7. As far as the drop in torque...we'll have to see what happens when we run it again. Could have just been a faulty run.
8. This was the PROTOTYPE. Once it has been perfected they will have them mass produced and there will be no weld marks. But until then, if you want one, they are being hand made for your convenience. It's better then waiting until January.
9. The 2 intakes on my site ARE different. There were 2 designs and we test fitted to see which one fit best. Obviously one didn't fit.
10. If you look at the WR pic (not on my car) you will see they extended the pipe. It doesn't extend up front, but it's a lil longer then mine.


All I really have to say is that I think it's rediculous to read all this crap. I have never seen so much hype about a product. It's not even new! Weapon R had been making intakes for all cars for a long time, including this one. There is NOTHING stating that this intake is bad or blah blah blah. Until there is, I say keep your opinions and accusations to yourself. It's your car, do what yo want. No one is making you buy anything.

I can't believe that I never read this thread!! I realize just about all that can be said has been, but this is what I have to say in response to what I have read here:

1. Thanks for advertising my car! She is quite the talk I see.
2. Price- check around. mcgeorge, partznet, TRD....do your own comparison and if you think it's too expensive, don't buy it.
3. The dyno probably could have been more organized, but it was a small shop and 30 minutes before they closed. We wanted to give you the results. I am sorry that my car is slower then all of yours, but either way, it's the difference in HP that matters. You're car may run 200HP for all I care, but this intake will give it a 13HP gain.
4. It's a 5 speed. I don't drive automatics.
5. This "piece" isn't simple. Actually quite complicated. And what difference does it make where the sensor is? That's about where stock lies.
6. Sorry the dyno sheet is hard to read, but it's not my fault the shops printer ran out of color ink.
7. As far as the drop in torque...we'll have to see what happens when we run it again. Could have just been a faulty run.
8. This was the PROTOTYPE. Once it has been perfected they will have them mass produced and there will be no weld marks. But until then, if you want one, they are being hand made for your convenience. It's better then waiting until January.
9. The 2 intakes on my site ARE different. There were 2 designs and we test fitted to see which one fit best. Obviously one didn't fit.
10. If you look at the WR pic (not on my car) you will see they extended the pipe. It doesn't extend up front, but it's a lil longer then mine.


All I really have to say is that I think it's rediculous to read all this crap. I have never seen so much hype about a product. It's not even new! Weapon R had been making intakes for all cars for a long time, including this one. There is NOTHING stating that this intake is bad or blah blah blah. Until there is, I say keep your opinions and accusations to yourself. It's your car, do what yo want. No one is making you buy anything.

You're famous now! :P

Could you give us the first hand review on your new intake? What's the difference before and after? We would very much appreciate your input.

Well since I am a "girl" I can't explain it all that well......lol

I would honestly have to drive a stock tC and then drive mine to really feel the difference because I really don't remember! I do know, shifting from first to second, that there is more power, because I can chirp just about everytime I try NOT to and I know I couldn't before. Third has the fastest pick up (that's my favorite gear). And then you have the noise. You can tell when you accelerate fast. It's just a deeper sound than stock. Nothing extraordinary, but it sounds nice.

All I really have to say is that I think it's rediculous to read all this crap. I have never seen so much hype about a product. It's not even new! Weapon R had been making intakes for all cars for a long time, including this one. There is NOTHING stating that this intake is bad or blah blah blah. Until there is, I say keep your opinions and accusations to yourself. It's your car, do what yo want. No one is making you buy anything.

totally agree.

i have a prototype on my tC similar to Weapon R Short Ram. Although mine has Greddy filter. It hasn't been dynoed just yet... with all the SEMA event going on... had no time. But eventually... dyno will be done. I can't say it will produce 13HP as the Weapon R has...but i would be happy with a realistic 7 or 8 HP gain.

here's pix of my prototype...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/667000-667999/667209_28_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/667000-667999/667209_29_full.jpg

http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/SciontC/SciontCWRDyno2.jpg

Theres the Dyno Sheet

http://www.creativecompacts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/ScionTc/ScionSWIntake.jpg

Intake Gained 12.91HP over STOCK Intake on completely STOCK tC!

Weapon*R Intakes are CNC Mandrel Bent out of 6061 aluminum, and are flow tuned to match every engine application to maximize engine output. Instructions and all hardware is included in the kit. To further improve performance gains from an intake system, we have developed an Air Turbulence Defuser which is Tig-welded into the air stream of MOST of our intake pipes. The Defuser is strategically placed in the intake pipe to create a harmonic balance in the air charge, which straightens the airflow and creates a Hyper Combustible formation of air intake charge. To increase intake charge, we developed the Secret Weapon Filter, which features an internal tuned flow velocity stack design and Air Turbulence guides to maximize gains. Weapon*R uses the highest quality High Flow 4PLy Poly Urethane Foam to ensure a protected high performance engine. Many studies have shown Higher flow & Better Dirt Filtration with Foam Filter and the conventional cotton filter. Flow rates of up to 80% more Air, which increases your engines performance.

WR Secret Weapon is compared to AEM V2 Intakes developed for other vehicles. When dyno tested on other cars in which AEM V2 Is available, WR Secret Weapon Intake dynoed better HP numbers and computer calculated 1/4 mile times.


Thats the Description of it all..


im sorry but is that a TC? and is that with the INTAKE?!?!?! if so then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong wit you dam car. my car is stock and i dynoed it and i came to a lot more power than that.

http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4136168332&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagestation.com%2Fpicture%2Fsraid144%2Fp334240fa82336266183397f3e4238976%2Ff688eb8c.jpg&caption=tc%20dyno2


no offense, this isnt to flame on anyone or anything. its jus unbelievable

the graphs are not the same because there are a lot of variables. height of where vehicle is located, the type/brand of dynometer and other things that might change the outcome of the chart

Just lay off my car...please!

im in so cal

tat car was dynoed in virginia... isnt the air DENSER there?

lay off your car? :shock: :?

sarcasm? fun stuff. I'm just getting sick of you people talking ____ about my car.

when you said your car.. do you mean the TC or do you mean the TC with that intake?


cuz im confused

Those pics are MY personal car and yes with the intake.
I took it to the dyno shop and I helped...yes I know how...put the intake on.

I can't believe that I never read this thread!! I realize just about all that can be said has been, but this is what I have to say in response to what I have read here:

1. Thanks for advertising my car! She is quite the talk I see.
2. Price- check around. mcgeorge, partznet, TRD....do your own comparison and if you think it's too expensive, don't buy it.
3. The dyno probably could have been more organized, but it was a small shop and 30 minutes before they closed. We wanted to give you the results. I am sorry that my car is slower then all of yours, but either way, it's the difference in HP that matters. You're car may run 200HP for all I care, but this intake will give it a 13HP gain.
4. It's a 5 speed. I don't drive automatics.
5. This "piece" isn't simple. Actually quite complicated. And what difference does it make where the sensor is? That's about where stock lies.
6. Sorry the dyno sheet is hard to read, but it's not my fault the shops printer ran out of color ink.
7. As far as the drop in torque...we'll have to see what happens when we run it again. Could have just been a faulty run.
8. This was the PROTOTYPE. Once it has been perfected they will have them mass produced and there will be no weld marks. But until then, if you want one, they are being hand made for your convenience. It's better then waiting until January.
9. The 2 intakes on my site ARE different. There were 2 designs and we test fitted to see which one fit best. Obviously one didn't fit.
10. If you look at the WR pic (not on my car) you will see they extended the pipe. It doesn't extend up front, but it's a lil longer then mine.


All I really have to say is that I think it's rediculous to read all this crap. I have never seen so much hype about a product. It's not even new! Weapon R had been making intakes for all cars for a long time, including this one. There is NOTHING stating that this intake is bad or blah blah blah. Until there is, I say keep your opinions and accusations to yourself. It's your car, do what yo want. No one is making you buy anything.

Are the weld marks still evident in the hand made ones? Meaning are the ones being made now still prototypes.

The ones being made now are NOT prototypes but yes a set were hand made so that they would be available immediately. They do have the weld marks. I can find out how long it will be until they are made (mass produced I mean) without the marks. I can let you know tomorrow.

The ones being made now are NOT prototypes but yes a set were hand made so that they would be available immediately. They do have the weld marks. I can find out how long it will be until they are made (mass produced I mean) without the marks. I can let you know tomorrow.

thanks...

Ok. As of right now, they cannot make them without the weld marks because of the inner pipe. They are working on figuring that out now, so he doesn't have a time frame.

Just so you guys know...if anyone can get their tC to WeaponR, they want to make a cold air box...but they need a car. If you are interested, contact them.

Ray,

I have a few questions that you may be able to answer. According to the picture above, seem it seems to me that the cross section area of the inner pipe is bigger than the "outer" cross sectional area (the ring).

Since Area x Velocity = Constant, the velocity of the inner flow will be lower than the velocity of the outer flow. Seems like the reverse is true, that the outer airflow is contributing by pulling in more air from the higher pressure inner flow. In addition, it seems to me the collision of the two air flows at the end of the pipe will actually increase the turbulence instead of reducing it. We are talking about high speed flow which pull in more air and enchancing mixing. Won't that contribute to more turbulence?

These questions are addressed in TPR's review of the SW intake in the Oct/Nov 2004 issue:

"The SW Concept"
" To get the most performance out of an engine, one needs to maximize the amount of air that can get into and out of an engine. Since there is a limited amount of time that the intake valve is open on each engine revolution, the goal is to get as much air into the cylinder while the door (intake valve) is open. As a result, the velocity at which the flow moves is critical to performance.

A reality with any flow is that the velocity of the flow at a stationary solide surface is zero. The stationary solid surface of a conventional intake system is the inside diameter of the tube. If we look at the velocity profile of a conventional intake, we'd find that the highest velocity flow is dead center of the intake pipe. This doesn't sound all that bad until you consider that the throttle shaft and plate are dead center. The highest velocity flow must lose some speed to turn around the throttle shaft before if enters the intake manifold.

The Weapon R SW concept is to provide two velocity profiles instead of one toward the throttle body. The outer profile has its peak velocities at a distance midway between the inner and outer walls, while the inner profile has its peak velocity dead center of the inner pipe as a conventional intake system would. The purpose is to increase the velocity of the flow in the areas that do not come in contact with the throttle shaft."


The cross sectional area of the outer path is "smaller", but it does not have a uniform center, as the inner pipe does. Instead, you would have to look at the outer section as multiple, small diameter pathways, each with its own dead center. Now ideally that would make for super high velocities in each small pathway, but you have no divider between each one. This causes turbulence as each "pathway" collides with the one next to it, causing the velocity to be reduced. The main objective is to have the inner pathway increase the speed of the outer pathway. The turbulence when the two paths meet is negligable because the inner path causes a vortex..spiraling the two paths together, and since they are on the same plane, they will not have the same turbulent effects as the side by side paths would.

I thought AEM had an intake that used this technology...... called the V2.. and isnt their idea patented?

Nikolas

Actually, AEM's V2 intake uses sound wave technology, which is entirely different. Their intake takes the natural frequency of the flowing air to increase flow. The SW intake uses air pressure and velocity technology to increase flow.

Does AEM's V2 intake have a smaller diameter pipe inside a large diameter pipe?

If it does, then isnt that what the Weapon*R intake has?

The V2 does use dual pipes, their smaller pipe comes into the larger pipe a tuned distance, to harness sound waves. The Secret Weapon pipes have the smaller pipe running the length of the intake, using air velocity science. Though the two designs look similar, they are in fact, entirely different designs and technology. I've explained how our technology works, if you need an explanation on AEM's V2, well...you should know where to find it. =)

If 2 pipes are good, wouldn't 3 be better? :lol:

Bump. I want more feedback now that the SW has been fixed :tap:

I bought it and I love it. Power is still the say low. but when I hit 3,000 it pulls soo hard compare to stock. The gain depending on baseline is between 7.5-9.5 and torque is 3.7-7.7, The average baseline I have seen showed 138 hp and 147 ft lbs of tq. All and all it is a really good intake. I can get a cold air box for it or ram air kit for it and gain even more. The Weapon R Secret Weapon intake fu-ken rocks.

I bought it and I love it. Power is still the say low. but when I hit 3,000 it pulls soo hard compare to stock. The gain depending on baseline is between 7.5-9.5 and torque is 3.7-7.7, The average baseline I have seen showed 138 hp and 147 ft lbs of tq. All and all it is a really good intake. I can get a cold air box for it or ram air kit for it and gain even more. The Weapon R Secret Weapon intake fu-ken rocks.


Do you have the Stock Exhaust??

haha I'm just curious if it will have that cool sound even though i have the Stock Exhaust. Ok thanks for your input :clap:

i got the ram air kit for the sec weap, and it's awesome. now all i need to do is get Ray to give me the damn cold air box. i have the trd, and combined, the engine sounds mean as hell. before i put the trd exhaust on, the intake alone sounded nice when you were over 3000 rpms, but with the exhaust, it's on a totally different level. as toyota scion said, you can feel the pull-without a doubt. i'm gonna post some pics of the intake with the ram air kit from the bottom where i mounted it after the weekend.

^^^^^Nice, i'm curious about that Ram Air Kit with that storm shield thing as well. Where did you buy that by the way???

I'm not sure if CreativeConcepts carry that accessory. HmMmM

oh yah, if you have that Ram Air Kit, doesn't that mean you can't have the cold air box then?? :tap:

I still have the stock exhuast. It sounds nice.

the cold air box isn't out yet-you have to take off the ram air kit i think. you could just undo the hose from the ram air to the filter if you want to put on the cold air box, rather than removing it just to use the box. the weapon r isn't a cold air, it's like a short ram-i didn't want to get a cold air intake because by me, the roads suck and get covered in puddles everytime it rains or snows. i didn't want to deal with having the filter soaked everytime i pulled in and out of my driveway(long island roads-around me at least incline in the middle, so there's a problem with getting huge puddles right at the front or your driveway)

What about the problems with the secret weapon intake? As per peoples posts. Or are they simply gonna let the customers trouble shoot the problem along with the purchase? Does the intake come with any warnings or troubleshooting. i.e. this intake may cause blah blah blah Maf sensor blah blah blah. ?

What about the problems with the secret weapon intake? As per peoples posts. Or are they simply gonna let the customers trouble shoot the problem along with the purchase? Does the intake come with any warnings or troubleshooting. i.e. this intake may cause blah blah blah Maf sensor blah blah blah. ?

Since I have installed the intake I have put 300 miles on my car without a check enigne light or any other problems.

i'm not sure, but is there a Write Up on how to install this intake?? Thanks :clap:

bump

Its pretty basic, just remove you stock airbox, install the new intake, after intake is installed install the maf sensor, let car idle for a few minutes then rev to around 2500 and hold for a few seconds so the computer will learn to adjust for the increase in airflow and you should be good. The reason people are having problems with this intake is b/c of the o-ring on the maf sensor needs to be thicker. This is taken from someone else off this site that had a problem. I notice the maf didn't seem to be that tight of a fit.