Ok I paid $40 For a 12 quarts of Toyota 5W-30 oil at my "friendly" Toyota dealer....

That equals about $3.30 a quart!!

They raped me on the price beacuse they had to "special order it"...( I know, How lame does that sound- you have to special order TOYOTA oil!)

Im wondering how much others paid, and If thiers A website thats cheaper...

Unless it's a pure synthetic oil, you got ripped off.
Return it and get a refund.

Any name brand motor oil will work fine.
It's about $1.80 a quart.

Why would you special order Toyota oil? Pep Boys has a ____load. Any name-brand oil will work just fine if you change it regularly. Toyota oil filters, on the other hand, are a wise investment.

Sorry, Forgot to mention that I live in a small town ( about 30k people) - the oil itself was $25 for 12 quarts, but they tached on $12.95 for shipping!

next time I will order synthetic oil from Toyota- the parts guy wasnt sure if it was a TRD Item or not-
but as for Pep-boys- We dont have one! only a NAPA that carries a BUNCH of pensoil-...

well toyota (in chicago anyway) does not make oil, they put there name on another brands bottle, same with break fluid and Type-T ATF...

you could have gone to the gas station and gotten to the same oil (mobil) for much less..

Ok I paid $40 For a 12 quarts of Toyota 5W-30 oil at my "friendly" Toyota dealer....

Even Toyota dealers don't use Toyota oil! They use whatever oil is cheapest from their jobber!

Toyota didn't operate an oil refinery, so Toyota oil is simply relabeled oil from a supplier like Mobil, Shell, etc.


George

Ok I paid $40 For a 12 quarts of Toyota 5W-30 oil at my "friendly" Toyota dealer....

Even Toyota dealers don't use Toyota oil! They use whatever oil is cheapest from their jobber!

Toyota didn't operate an oil refinery, so Toyota oil is simply relabeled oil from a supplier like Mobil, Shell, etc.


George

Actually, Toyota oil is not the same as any other brand... they purchase their oil and then refine and modify it to their specification. Honda does this too.

why would you buy toyota oil...


dont you get free oil changes?!

Ok I paid $40 For a 12 quarts of Toyota 5W-30 oil at my "friendly" Toyota dealer....

Even Toyota dealers don't use Toyota oil! They use whatever oil is cheapest from their jobber!

Toyota didn't operate an oil refinery, so Toyota oil is simply relabeled oil from a supplier like Mobil, Shell, etc.


George

Actually, Toyota oil is not the same as any other brand... they purchase their oil and then refine and modify it to their specification. Honda does this too.

Where did you learn this?

Toyota branded motor oil is not the same as the stuff you can grab off the shelves at AutoZone. Toyota purchases the oil from whoever, and then the oil is processed and modified through a refinery until it meets their specification. Honda does this too.

That's odd, my reply appeared before the post I replied to. Perhaps the orignal poster edited their post?

Same question, though. Where did that info come from?

George

That's odd, my reply appeared before the post I replied to. Perhaps the orignal poster edited their post?

Same question, though. Where did that info come from?

George
I think you're right too. I agree Toyota buys there oil from another oil company that meets there needs and specs. Usually the cheapest one. All car manufactors do. They don't have the resources to actually refine and can oil. If they did you would see way more of it. That's why it's so high because much of it isn't canned as say Moblie or Exxon. They might tell you it's been refine to meet they're specs but they're in it to sell cars not oil remember. My dad has been in the oil biz for over 40 years. I use Mobile 1 Sys. in all of my stuff. But I use 10W30 since I live in the south.

What happens is that Toyota takes the oil that they have purchased and it is filtered and modified through a refinery. Endoplasmic reticulum takes place inside the refinery whereupon the molecular structure of the oil is altered for smoother synthesis.

What happens is that Toyota takes the oil that they have purchased and it is filtered and modified through a refinery. Endoplasmic reticulum takes place inside the refinery whereupon the molecular structure of the oil is altered for smoother synthesis.
Who told you that a Toyota rep? More than likely. See like I said they will tell you that but they really don't. Beleive me man. I've done nothing but work in oil all my life.

What happens is that Toyota takes the oil that they have purchased and it is filtered and modified through a refinery. Endoplasmic reticulum takes place inside the refinery whereupon the molecular structure of the oil is altered for smoother synthesis.
Who told you that a Toyota rep? More than likely. See like I said they will tell you that but they really don't. Beleive me man. I've done nothing but work in oil all my life.

http://cellbio.utmb.edu/cellbio/rer1.htm

I usually buy 3 toyota filters at a time, about $5 each. Then off to WalMart or Costco where you can get Mobil 1synthetic for between $4-5/qt. So an oil change costs me $20-25. Takes about 10 minutes. I keep all the reciepts for the service manager, who says that's cool for the warantee. It's soo cheap this way so I do it every 4k miles. I own both an xA and a 2003 Echo, both the same routine.

Ok I paid $40 For a 12 quarts of Toyota 5W-30 oil at my "friendly" Toyota dealer....

Even Toyota dealers don't use Toyota oil! They use whatever oil is cheapest from their jobber!

Toyota didn't operate an oil refinery, so Toyota oil is simply relabeled oil from a supplier like Mobil, Shell, etc.


George

Actually, Toyota oil is not the same as any other brand... they purchase their oil and then refine and modify it to their specification. Honda does this too.

Where did you learn this?

my old dealer uses some exxon crap

Ok I paid $40 For a 12 quarts of Toyota 5W-30 oil at my "friendly" Toyota dealer....

Even Toyota dealers don't use Toyota oil! They use whatever oil is cheapest from their jobber!

Toyota didn't operate an oil refinery, so Toyota oil is simply relabeled oil from a supplier like Mobil, Shell, etc.


George

Actually, Toyota oil is not the same as any other brand... they purchase their oil and then refine and modify it to their specification. Honda does this too.

Where did you learn this?

my old dealer uses some exxon crap

Exxon is pretty good oil, who do you think makes and owns Mobil? Exxon!

toyota contracted with mobil to supply toyota branded oil.. it's in mobil's website under the PR news section.. they have supplied all the lubricants for the toyota race team as well as factory/dealer supplied oil.. so it's mobil 5w-30..

That's odd, my reply appeared before the post I replied to. Perhaps the orignal poster edited their post?

Same question, though. Where did that info come from?

George
I think you're right too. I agree Toyota buys there oil from another oil company that meets there needs and specs. Usually the cheapest one. All car manufactors do. They don't have the resources to actually refine and can oil. If they did you would see way more of it. That's why it's so high because much of it isn't canned as say Moblie or Exxon. They might tell you it's been refine to meet they're specs but they're in it to sell cars not oil remember. My dad has been in the oil biz for over 40 years. I use Mobile 1 Sys. in all of my stuff. But I use 10W30 since I live in the south.

I totally agree with LowProMofo.

A number of reasons why Toyota didn't "refine" the oil.
1. Toyota is in the market for making cars, not oil.
2. Refining oil that is already sold on the market would cost too much for the small benifit, and would only cost more on their part because they really aren't experts in the field. Their profit margin on the oil would be cut too much if they refined it. The guys upstairs will be asking,
"Why do we have to spend billions dollars to build and upkeep a refinery to refine oil who's sales are not in high volume and the market would pretty much be limited to only Toyota owners, as other marques aren't going to buy Toyota oil."
"Our profit margin will be much better if we just pay to change the label and bottling of the oil, but price it higher as a premium "Toyota Oil" for the Toyota diehards. Any small addition in quality that the current oil manufactures haven't already found will not be worth the additional investment for such a low volume sale!!"

If they say this oil is special because it meets their specs, then it's because the oil they got from somebody else ALREADY meets there specs.

If the sales folks say different, it's because,
1. They are trying to decive.
2. Been told to tell you that, not realizing they are deciving you.
3. Didn't get the story right because they got it 3rd, 4th, or 5th hand...

When I bought my xA, one of the finance guys was trying to tell me no car comes with a clear coat. I quote, "I've been in sales for 14 years and we've never sold cars with clear coats, plus I applied it on all my personal cars." I tried with all my might to keep from laughing.. It's because they were trying to sell me a "clear coat" for my car for $1k.
I asked for more info, in print, on the "clear coat" they were putting on my car that "didn't" have a clear coat. He said he didn't have any, and but forwarded me to the guys who apply it. I went there and asked them.
"No, this isn't a clear coat. It's a clear coat sealant. All cars already come with a clear coat."
I turned around and told the finance guy. He was in shock. You know what's funny, yet scary, I think his shock was genuin(sp)!

I had another Audi sales guy try to tell me once that an Audi TT can go 260mph. I told him, you must be mistaken, perhaps kph? No, he corrected me, mph.
I looked at him and could not believe he was so sure of himself when he told me this. I asked him if there was any aero dynamic changes to the body as something going that fast has a lot of wind resistance. He said no.
Looking at him again, seeing his confidence, I knew I'd be just wasting my time trying to explain the physics restricting such a feat in such a car. I just smiled and walked away, and couldn't wait to tell my buddies...

Not trying to say that everything they say is fauls, or they are always trying to decive us, but lets say that manytimes they are missinformed, told to say something regardless, or don't get the story right. Although, there are a share of sneaky ones out there.

I see all the time in my line of work in our company when I'm with sales visiting our international customers.. It doesn't only occur in the auto business...

just get mobil 1 it's awesome

LeeD:
Thank you! Well said! Yeah car dealers will tell you lots of things like that to get you to pay more. I've heard of the clear coat before. That's just crazy!! If it didn't have a clear coat they couldn't sell it. It wouldn't have a shine at all or protection. Something similar to that is oil. Like for example Quaker State Oil and how they sell all those diff. kinds like 4X4 oil, Suv oil, etc etc. Man it's all the same stuff.

sciontc_mich
Yeah I didn't know who exactly it was they had they're contract with. It differs throughout the years. But Exxon is a good oil. We sell it and stand by it. Ther're the second biggest oil company in the world. But their isn't many companies left since they have all merged so much. I will tell you the best oil ever made was Amoco Oil. They made the best oil and gas you could buy. But they're owned by BP Oil now so it isn't the same. Well actually BP bought out the gas division and Chevron bought out the oil part.

hi,
i use exxon super flo 5w30 here in tha xb,and castrol in other two cars. oil change every 5,000 mi. the exxon at 5k is still clean. almost as clear as when put in.the castrol is black at 3,000 in my other cars.why waste money changing at 3k in the scion?the other 2 rides i have always changed at 3k because castrol seems to get dirtier because of the mi.on cars. just my thought.

hi,
i use exxon super flo 5w30 here in tha xb,and castrol in other two cars. oil change every 5,000 mi. the exxon at 5k is still clean. almost as clear as when put in.the castrol is black at 3,000 in my other cars.why waste money changing at 3k in the scion?the other 2 rides i have always changed at 3k because castrol seems to get dirtier because of the mi.on cars. just my thought.
Yeah castrol is crap, I will tell you that. I've seen the sludge it creates inside of an engine.

Since it seems like you know a lot about oil, what do you know about Redline?

When I first started putting Redline in my 300ZX TwinTurbo about 9 years ago, I found this paper on the internet (back when it was very very young..) that had a composition comparison between the major oils out there. I don't remember all the terms now but some of them were, viscosity stability under heat, ability to stay on a vertical surface w/o running off it, slipperyness, among a number of other parameters. Must have been close to 10? different things each oil was measured by and just about every weight from every manufacture was measured. This document compared easily 40+ different oils.

Anyways, what I got out of it was that Redline seemed to hold up best, regardless of price, especially to high temp operation, which at the time was important to me with the twin turbos. I had heard lots of stuff about oil cooking in the turbo oil lines if the turbos hadn't cooled down enough and Redlines high operating temp sold me there.

Anyways, over the many years, and 100,000 miles later, I've learned that a trade off to having such a thin slippery oil in a car meant you got easier blow by and oil leaking around gaskets than with other thicker non-synthetic oils.

What are your thoughts and experience? Before my days of Redline, I used Mobil synthetic. About 90-95% of the cars life has been on synthetics and 70-80% on Redline.

just use mobil 1. hehe

red line is good,alot of my racing buds used it,i used to use slick 50,no oil in my racecar,i would change it after each race anyway,raced tha car for 3 years with no problems. these folks who are going to use mobil 1 should not change their oil at 3k,if they do they are throwing away good money,mobil 1 will go for 10-15k in a newer auto.if you just like to crawl around under your car every 3k,then i would use mineral based oil,just my .02 on this.by tha way i was mech for 37 years, and yes you are right about leaks and consumption the more miles on motor,the more wear and blowby,if you are using mineral in a high mi.auto go with a heavier weight oil.

red line is good,alot of my racing buds used it,i used to use slick 50,no oil in my racecar,i would change it after each race anyway,raced tha car for 3 years with no problems. these folks who are going to use mobil 1 should not change their oil at 3k,if they do they are throwing away good money,mobil 1 will go for 10-15k in a newer auto.if you just like to crawl around under your car every 3k,then i would use mineral based oil,just my .02 on this.by tha way i was mech for 37 years, and yes you are right about leaks and consumption the more miles on motor,the more wear and blowby,if you are using mineral in a high mi.auto go with a heavier weight oil.

is it true, once you go synthetic, you can't go back to regular convention oil changes?

No, and actually never heard such a thing.

lucas makes the best oil. http://www.lucasoil.com/
i run it in my civic si with fully built b18c and it see's 10,000+ rpm every trip to the track.....and i also run it in my scion
i run the 20/50+ racing oil in the civic and the 10w30 synthetic in the scion

NASCAR, NHRA, IHRA, USHRA and ATPA dont all recommend it for nothing