Is anyone coming out with killer cam set with camshafts, valve springs, and an ecu reflash.

 

Problem with cams is the trade off. Want aggressive cams, you give up smooth idle and low end. Anything that will add tons of power will kill your idle and low end, and anything that doesn't will probably only be a few HP for tons of money. Cams, springs, ecu could easily go for $1000+. Plus install isn't something most people can do (its easy, but alot of people can't do it).

 

i know what it involves and i know the varibles you have to consider such as lumpy idle etc. but i dont care. i know for one toda has a cam set for the rsx s that pumps out 258 hp with no drivability issues. i want to know if there are any companies exploring the option not what cams involve.

 

Nothing short of a miracle would let just some cams/valves/springs get us anywhere near 200hp...

Not going to be cost effective, unless the entire block is built and same with the head...with all that money spent it is probably cheaper to just go with FI once something comes out.

 

I don't know if VVTI would like that. The same stumbling block as FI - the damn electronics

 

psh tats wat im talkin bout... NEW CAMS!!!

 

Was there an aftermarket for this motor before the tC? It's been used in the Camry for a while, but I think you're going to have a hell of a time finding upgraded internals this early on.

 

It's very simple...you just swap out the Hamsters running on the Hamster Wheel and put in squirrels. TADA !!! Instant horsepower. Unfortunately the Scion brand will never be a cost effective pocket rocket straight from the dealer. However, give it a couple of years when you can pick up a used Scion cheap. Then maybe it would be worth going all out on the engines.

 

Toda and other companies can make badass honda cams because of VTEC. Vtec has two cam lobes so you can have great low end, great idle, and awesome top end power, because you basically have 2 cams in one.

 

Valve lift is such an amazing technology, the only other technology besides VTEC that continues to astound me is the graduated cam profiles that Ferrari uses...

You could go all-motor on the tC, but I don't see it as cost effective. Sure, there are a lot of people that say "screw the cost and the side effects", but once a well tuned forced induction option appears on the aftermarket, it will probably be a better alternative than cams, springs, or pistons.

For the first 3 years I had my 2000 Eclipse, there were no aftermarket parts, so I was stuck with a 150-hp 2.4L SOHC engine... intake, exhaust, flywheel, pulleys... so I focused on the suspension. Fast forward to now, add a T34 turbocharger, AEM EMS, methanol injection, and about 12psi, and you have almost 300fwhp.

I don't know whether you like the linearity of naturally aspirated engines or you just want pure power, but give it time (or money) and I'm sure someone would be willing to machine the parts for you. I guess all I'm saying is that the tC is new. Give it like 2-3 years and you'll be able pick up APC camshafts at Pep Boys along with altezzas and a glow in the dark fuel rail...

 

it WILL like it. the same way vtec likes it.

 

Yah, I was just reading about that. Beyond getting rid of camshafts completely, that seems the way to do it. Though, in all honesty, it seems a "Well... duh..." kind of concept. Intuitive in concept though perhaps or perhaps not in execution.

 

whosiwhatsit? link me, please.

 

I read about it in a book I just purchased, so I don't have a link (Forced Induction by Bell)

Anyway, it's kinda like VTEC in a way from what I understand. (Someone chime in if I'm off base here.) With VTEC, your cam has different sets of lobes. You "switch" cams which basically amounts to simply moving the camshift over a bit so a different set of lobes are under the rocker arms. With VTEC you have a certain number of lobe sets (I think only two) so it's discrete. You're using this set or you're using another set.

With Porche, the lobes are gradual. So, instead of discretely going from one set of lobes on the cam to another, it's a gradual movement. So, you can have pretty much an infinite state of cams in between two boundaries (max and min).

 

BMW does this and has done this for years

 

I said Porsche because I couldn't remember a name like VTEC for it :oops: Not that VTEC is actually a good description either of course. I guess gradual and variable lobe cams would be better (though not from the marketing point of view).