I know some Scion Dealers roam here, so maybe you can answer this question.

What's the deal with the RS 1.0?

I was told by one dealer that each dealership would only get 1 and that's it. I basically figured that there were about 1550 dealership in the US.

Well, the first dealership that I was going to buy one from, sold theres, so I bought mine from another one. Well, within 1-2 weeks, my dealership had another one in the lot, plus the first dealership that I was checking out, just recieved their 2nd.

Just this evening, I found another dealership and they had 2 in the lot. Plus, one was a stick shift. I thought they only made automatic xA RS 1.0...

I thought I was buying into a rare car, but by the looks of it, it will be the MOST COMMON color xA on the road.

yeah same happened to the hot lava xB, almost every meet i go to has at least 3-5 hot lavas, and their suppose to only have 2200 nationwide...so i figured scion made a boo boo and sold most of them in the west coast

i thought they fixed that problem when they limited the number even lower on the xA, but just at the last scion nights in knotts berry farm there were like 3 xa rs1.0 out of 10-15 xa's????

not quite as common as the hot lava, and i hope it doesnt become as common

only time will tell...just take it as a compliment that you have the coolest most popular color xA available :wink:

my 2 pennies, and i dont work for a dealer :)

My local Scion dealer knows I'm looking into getting an xA, so he called me the other day to tell me that they just got a RS 1.0 on the lot. I asked him if it was a big deal for them to get one (with it being "limited" and all) and he said, "not really". He said it's the second one they've had. I don't live in a big city or anything. My local Toyota/Scion dealer is kinda small. He explained that they had the "one" they were supposed to get, but then another dealer was shopping around for a white xB for someone and he just happened to have one, so they swapped some inventory. I guess that's pretty common.

My local Scion dealer knows I'm looking into getting an xA, so he called me the other day to tell me that they just got a RS 1.0 on the lot. I asked him if it was a big deal for them to get one (with it being "limited" and all) and he said, "not really". He said it's the second one they've had. I don't live in a big city or anything. My local Toyota/Scion dealer is kinda small. He explained that they had the "one" they were supposed to get, but then another dealer was shopping around for a white xB for someone and he just happened to have one, so they swapped some inventory. I guess that's pretty common.
bingo. they wheel and deal like no other. thats how u can get scions easier. even other brands do the same. that way their inventory can grow and hopefully the swap works for both dealerships.
on another note. how many mile r on yer automatic. 1.0? id say take that back and try and trade it for the manual i bet you come out even. and have more fun :twisted:

yeah same happened to the hot lava xB, almost every meet i go to has at least 3-5 hot lavas, and their suppose to only have 2200 nationwide...so i figured scion made a boo boo and sold most of them in the west coast

i thought they fixed that problem when they limited the number even lower on the xA, but just at the last scion nights in knotts berry farm there were like 3 xa rs1.0 out of 10-15 xa's????

not quite as common as the hot lava, and i hope it doesnt become as common

only time will tell...just take it as a compliment that you have the coolest most popular color xA available :wink:

my 2 pennies, and i dont work for a dealer :)

So far, I'm the only one in the upstate/central NY area with an RS1. I've never seen another one on the road, and I don't think I will for a while, as most of them are in the west coast. Its really cool knowing this, and my dealer said that I'd be the only one that they would get. When the xB RS1 came out, they sold 3, so the xA is definitely limited. 8)

There are only going to be 1550 of the RS 1.0 xA's. Each dealership is supposed to get one. Scion is really watching which dealerships are successful. They have pressured dealerships that do not move cars to give up thier inventory to the more successful dealerships. They also cut the amount of cars given to these unsuccessful dealerships. Thay means more cars for the small/middlesized dealerships or the bigger dealerships who have really embraced the scion line. Some dealerships dont even like selling the xA. I have no idea why, we love them-they are great cars and this RS 1 is even better. We sell a ton of them here. You just really need to show the customer how great a car the xA is. Fortunately we recieved a total of 3 of them so far. # 30 (Sold), #1006 and 1317 (sold). I know that some dealerships in our region did not even get one. I hope this helps.

marcelino
manager suburbanscion.com

When I went to by my Lava the dealer told me they were only allocated one. Well I kinda felt pressured since I really wanted that color so I put my deposit down, even though it was a very inopertune time for me financially. Well I got my car in like 2 weeks, 2 days after I got my lava he had one sitting on his lot. Needless to say I went into the dealership and called him out right as he was trying to sell another xB. II do not regret buying my car at all, but if I had known he was going to get more I waould have waited. I was really hoping that buying a scion would be different than going into any other dealership because of the up front pricing. But I've come to find that it was not, and I was lied to to make a sale.

When I went to by my Lava the dealer told me they were only allocated one. Well I kinda felt pressured since I really wanted that color so I put my deposit down, even though it was a very inopertune time for me financially. Well I got my car in like 2 weeks, 2 days after I got my lava he had one sitting on his lot. Needless to say I went into the dealership and called him out right as he was trying to sell another xB. II do not regret buying my car at all, but if I had known he was going to get more I waould have waited. I was really hoping that buying a scion would be different than going into any other dealership because of the up front pricing. But I've come to find that it was not, and I was lied to to make a sale.You may not have been lied to intentionaly. He may have been told that they were only getting one. Just like my local dealer thought they were only getting one RS. He ended up with a second one because of a trade with another dealership for a white xB he needed. Nothing dishonest, just unexpected.

My local Scion dealer knows I'm looking into getting an xA, so he called me the other day to tell me that they just got a RS 1.0 on the lot. I asked him if it was a big deal for them to get one (with it being "limited" and all) and he said, "not really". He said it's the second one they've had. I don't live in a big city or anything. My local Toyota/Scion dealer is kinda small. He explained that they had the "one" they were supposed to get, but then another dealer was shopping around for a white xB for someone and he just happened to have one, so they swapped some inventory. I guess that's pretty common.
bingo. they wheel and deal like no other. thats how u can get scions easier. even other brands do the same. that way their inventory can grow and hopefully the swap works for both dealerships.
on another note. how many mile r on yer automatic. 1.0? id say take that back and try and trade it for the manual i bet you come out even. and have more fun :twisted:

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He wouldnt come out close to even trading it in @ the dealership. There is only an $800 dollar difference between a/t & m/t. Most likely you would lose 2-3k immediately.

When I went to by my Lava the dealer told me they were only allocated one. Well I kinda felt pressured since I really wanted that color so I put my deposit down, even though it was a very inopertune time for me financially. Well I got my car in like 2 weeks, 2 days after I got my lava he had one sitting on his lot. Needless to say I went into the dealership and called him out right as he was trying to sell another xB. II do not regret buying my car at all, but if I had known he was going to get more I waould have waited. I was really hoping that buying a scion would be different than going into any other dealership because of the up front pricing. But I've come to find that it was not, and I was lied to to make a sale.


We were told that we were only going to get two of the RS 1.0 xA's and both of them sold as soon as they hit our inbound list; then a third one just popped up a few days ago unexpected. So I don't think the guy lied to you, he may have been just as surprised as you were when the 2nd lava showed up.

BTW, showing up and "calling him out" when he was trying to make a sale? That's not cool man, how would you like it if someone came to your work to yell at you? If you were mad, then fine, but at least talk to the guy in private so you don't make him lose a sale, despite the rep people insist on giving us, we're just trying to make a living like everyone else in to world; just my two cents

Maybe it wasn't the coolest of me to talk to him in front of customers, but come on. He got a new lava 2 days later. You mean to telll me he didn't know he was getting it. How can you run a busioness without knowing what your inventory is going to be. You mean that car dealers just get cars at random and just sell whatever they have on the lot. I have nothing against car salesmen, I understand that everyone needs to make a living. But the reputation that they have is one that was earned. If from the invention of the automobile, car salesmen where honest and trustworthy then they would not have the rep they have today. As for all of the 100% honest and hard working car salesmen out there, please move to new jersey, we could use you.

Calling the guy out isnt the best thing I agree, as far as sales sonsultants go, they dont know everything in regards to inventory. Management (me) will have a better idea of what is coming in, but even then Scion car reallocate vehicles to a good dealership. I can understand harping on the typical Sales guy, who will occassionally sell a Scion , be cluless about the car and be too old school. IMO they should not sell Scions-We have a truly dedicated staff for Scion. Hopefully most Scion customers were able to deal with a REAL-enthusiastic-car loving sales consultant. My staff are all memebrs of the SCCA, Hugh is a local DJ on his off nights, I race in the SCCA and Instruct for Trackoholics.com (motorcycle track day/ school), and I have Nick (new guy) who does everything as well. I hope customers can also realize that we are car enthusiast too-so its kinda hard getting blasted by customers specially if you have the same interests. I mean customers can tell if the dealership is into Scion. They invite customers to events, night clubs, recently cider mills, in the future ski slopes. IMO a true car guy is the best Scion sales person, they connect with the customers. Sorry to vent

marcelino

For those of you with a RS xA who aren't feeling quite as "exclusive" as you thought you would....don't feel bad. If you go to ebaymotors right now, there are currently 17 Scions on there (total for all Scion models). Out of the 17, four of them are the Hot Lava RS xB! :wink:

So far, I'm the only one in the upstate/central NY area with an RS1. I've never seen another one on the road, and I don't think I will for a while, as most of them are in the west coast. Its really cool knowing this, and my dealer said that I'd be the only one that they would get. When the xB RS1 came out, they sold 3, so the xA is definitely limited. 8)

Better knock on wood. :D

I live in So. Cal.

The dealership around the corner from my house has 3 xA RS1.0's lined up in front!

I'm sure they sent more to certain areas, not just one per dealer. :wink:


-THE DON

I would be interested to hear what the projected sales numbers are for the xA nation-wide. I mean if they only sell let's say a total of 20,000 xAs in the US for 2005, that means that almost 8% of the models sold will be RS models. The number of xAs sold may not even be that high, which means the percentage is even higher.

dunno, we sold the first one we got allocated before it hit the lot. then we found out we were getting more. we have 2 sitting on the lot, and one incomming......the red isn't very popular here.

There are only going to be 1550 of the RS 1.0 xA's. Each dealership is supposed to get one. Scion is really watching which dealerships are successful. They have pressured dealerships that do not move cars to give up thier inventory to the more successful dealerships. They also cut the amount of cars given to these unsuccessful dealerships. Thay means more cars for the small/middlesized dealerships or the bigger dealerships who have really embraced the scion line. Some dealerships dont even like selling the xA. I have no idea why, we love them-they are great cars and this RS 1 is even better. We sell a ton of them here. You just really need to show the customer how great a car the xA is. Fortunately we recieved a total of 3 of them so far. # 30 (Sold), #1006 and 1317 (sold). I know that some dealerships in our region did not even get one. I hope this helps.

marcelino
manager suburbanscion.com

Thank you for your detailed honest reply.

:D LeeD

Any time-I take it you own the RS 1.0 parked next to the Ferarri's right. Great picture I used it as a background for a while.

Who did you get your car from anyway? I know a few of the guys in SF and Sacramento, also Walnut Creek. Scion and my dealership shipped me to the Bay area last year to learn how to do this stuff-It was great, I've forgotten how nice that place is.

marcelino

The dealership that I just got mine from only had 3. Two were manual and one was automatic. He said that he had only sold 1 before me, so that means that he had 4 total. He told me that once those are gone, he proably will not see another one.

I don't care what anyone says, the Absolute Red is THE HOTTNESS

My local Scion dealer knows I'm looking into getting an xA, so he called me the other day to tell me that they just got a RS 1.0 on the lot. I asked him if it was a big deal for them to get one (with it being "limited" and all) and he said, "not really". He said it's the second one they've had. I don't live in a big city or anything. My local Toyota/Scion dealer is kinda small. He explained that they had the "one" they were supposed to get, but then another dealer was shopping around for a white xB for someone and he just happened to have one, so they swapped some inventory. I guess that's pretty common.
bingo. they wheel and deal like no other. thats how u can get scions easier. even other brands do the same. that way their inventory can grow and hopefully the swap works for both dealerships.
on another note. how many mile r on yer automatic. 1.0? id say take that back and try and trade it for the manual i bet you come out even. and have more fun :twisted:

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He wouldnt come out close to even trading it in @ the dealership. There is only an $800 dollar difference between a/t & m/t. Most likely you would lose 2-3k immediately.

i thought you come out pretty decent cuz they can overprice the hell out of a used one. well nm. id say find somone on the boards with a manual that wants an auto and swap. the auto really blows

My question is why would you think they would be so rare that you would only see one or two in an entire state?

If you take basic division and divide 1550 by 50 (total number of states) that leaves 31 per state. Now take in the fact that places like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, etc. may only get 3 or 4 total, this leaves other states the opportunity to get more.

Then consider that the majority of these will go to people that live in big cities, chances are there will be 15-20 of the xA RS 1.0's in any given city of more than 750,000 people (including metro areas). Some cities like L.A could easily have 40 or 50 of them running around the city.

1550 sounds small, but you have to put into perspective.

My question is why would you think they would be so rare that you would only see one or two in an entire state?

If you take basic division and divide 1550 by 50 (total number of states) that leaves 31 per state. Now take in the fact that places like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, etc. may only get 3 or 4 total, this leaves other states the opportunity to get more.

Then consider that the majority of these will go to people that live in big cities, chances are there will be 15-20 of the xA RS 1.0's in any given city of more than 750,000 people (including metro areas). Some cities like L.A could easily have 40 or 50 of them running around the city.

1550 sounds small, but you have to put into perspective.

that is true, especially that the color stands out so much, its more noticeable than the other colors, which may trick us into thining that there are plenty around, even tho theres prolly only 5 total in the area, seems like their everywhere :D

that is true, especially that the color stands out so much, its more noticeable than the other colors, which may trick us into thining that there are plenty around, even tho theres prolly only 5 total in the area, seems like their everywhere :D

I think that was totaly a marketing thing, and actually a very good idea.

Your creating a new division, new cars, new brand name. How do you get the name out and get people to notice the cars?

Create some "limited" edition models that should sell well, but make sure they are in bright, flashy colors to draw attention to the cars. This will naturally get people to ask, "what's that?" Great idea actually, and personally, a better way to spend money than on ads. TV ads are expensive, although you can hit more people at the same time, and if the ad is good enough, can be remember and talked about later, like typical Super Bowl ads.

The ONLY reason why I even CONSIDERED a SCION, forget even looking at the xA yet, was because of word of mouth and recommendation from a friend. When I did a double take of the lines of the xA in a parking lot once, I was sold. Saw the RS when looking at an xA, sold again. Never drove any xA or Scion before buying my RS. A little because I trusted the quality, but also because I've driven enough rental cars in my traveling years that I kinda know what to expect. Because it was a Toyota, I was pretty sure the quality was relatively ok.

dunno, we sold the first one we got allocated before it hit the lot. then we found out we were getting more. we have 2 sitting on the lot, and one incomming......the red isn't very popular here.

I have to agree with you. Keyes Scion on Van Nuys lost my business because they didn't care enough to get the sale. They have had two RS xA's on their lot now for over a month. Miller Scion in Culver City I think has only the one in their showroom left. I bought the other one they were allocated. And one of the other dealers in the OC had 3 on their lot the other day. Although, all of my people I have talked to said they really like the red, that it stands out more than the other xA colors. I look at it and can't help but smile...

When I went to by my Lava the dealer told me they were only allocated one. Well I kinda felt pressured since I really wanted that color so I put my deposit down, even though it was a very inopertune time for me financially. Well I got my car in like 2 weeks, 2 days after I got my lava he had one sitting on his lot. Needless to say I went into the dealership and called him out right as he was trying to sell another xB. II do not regret buying my car at all, but if I had known he was going to get more I waould have waited. I was really hoping that buying a scion would be different than going into any other dealership because of the up front pricing. But I've come to find that it was not, and I was lied to to make a sale.


We were told that we were only going to get two of the RS 1.0 xA's and both of them sold as soon as they hit our inbound list; then a third one just popped up a few days ago unexpected. So I don't think the guy lied to you, he may have been just as surprised as you were when the 2nd lava showed up.

BTW, showing up and "calling him out" when he was trying to make a sale? That's not cool man, how would you like it if someone came to your work to yell at you? If you were mad, then fine, but at least talk to the guy in private so you don't make him lose a sale, despite the rep people insist on giving us, we're just trying to make a living like everyone else in to world; just my two cents


I think calling him out in front of people is fine....
They(salespeople) are out to screw you anyways, they lie and are nothing but scammers...
so make a scene, and get the problem out in the open!

Spartan Scion in Lansing, MI has one...I saw it yesterday when I picked up my xA after getting the TRD clutch installed, the paint treatment done, and had an oil change.

No I don't think the xA RS is common...I don't see one around here; in fact, hell, all of my cars are rare :)

What a coincidence?! My wife and I picked up the RS at Spartan Scion too! Drove like 90 miles to get it...great dealership.

I didn't even know the RS existed until I saw it on the showroom floor. I went in to look at a tC, and there she was, calling me :) So I bought her..#192 and loving it!!

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