They don't fit :shock: . Rolled my car up on the ramps today and got to work. The pulley looks like a nice unit. Very well made but, if you look closely at the stock unit and the Perrin unit. You will notice they are the same size on the Alternater belt side but totally differnt on the power steering side. The power steeering side of the Perrin pulley is alot smaller than the stock part. I said no problem because I had a few belts laying around that are a few mm shorter than the factory belt. When I went to put the pulley on, it wouldn't go on flush. It was touching the hump that is located on the engine. So I called up Vivid Racing where I got the pulley. They told me they wouldn't be able to give me any info about the pulley till Monday. That stinks, how could you make a part without checking for fitment issues such as this one. So I put my stock pulley back on and boxed up the Perrin unit which I will be sending back to them on Monday after I speak with someone. Wasted about an hour today for NOTHING!!!! :evil: :evil:

just an hour? heck think of it as you discovered an issue and forewarned anyone else who was planning to get that particular part.

I understand the upset part tho.

looks like we got a real problem here, I was so close to gettin those things and now I am gonna hold off until your report monday. :(

Definitely thanks for posting. I too was really close to ordering that pulley as well. This together with the fact that they didn't make the effort to put the timing mark that is on the OEM pulley and the fact that it is not harmonically balanced made me reconsider. Anyways, I 'm defiantly interested in what you find out on Monday. Keep us posted.

like i said dont use it.....doesnt dampen harmonic vibration....the stock pulley does....if you want take your stock one to a machiene shop and have them lighten it up

good lookin out, man.

i havent had a chance to put mine on yet. good i saw this, keep us updated

like i said dont use it.....doesnt dampen harmonic vibration....the stock pulley does....if you want take your stock one to a machiene shop and have them lighten it up
I've never had a problem with lightweight or underdriven pulleys on my last 3 cars (Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo, Dodge Neon, Nissan 300 ZX), so I doubt if I will have a problem with this one. Today motors are balance pretty good from the factory, so it dosen't make a difference. Everyone on the DSM boards was telling everyone not to use the pulleys because they didn't have a damper built in. I used the Mach V pulley on my turbo Eclipse and picked up 19 horses to the wheels on a dyno. As long as the the pulley isn't triggering the knock sensor, then you will have no problem. I have a logger in my XB, so I will be able to tell if the pulley is causing me problems. I'll take my chances :D :D . This is my motto If I blow it up, I'll put it back to stock and take it to the dealer because it's under warranty :lol: :lol: :lol:

just an hour? heck think of it as you discovered an issue and forewarned anyone else who was planning to get that particular part.

I understand the upset part tho.
Yeah it's a pretty simple install, you don't even have to take off the wheels of the car. Take off the 2 belts,take off the crank pulley bolt, and pull the pulley off. Install is just the opposite. Easy as hell because you don't need a pulley puller to get the crank pulley off :D

like i said dont use it.....doesnt dampen harmonic vibration....the stock pulley does....if you want take your stock one to a machiene shop and have them lighten it up

where do you get the idea that a harmonic balancer that has been lightened by a machinist is any better than an aftermarket part...?? that doesn't even get close to a comprehension of what a harmonic balancer does... you first need to go take a course in engineering called Kinematics... but before that you'll need Dynamics, because you'll at least need a handle on the physics behind the purpose of a harmonic balancer... then you can move on to machine design...

then you can come back and edit your post to let people know that you have absolutely no idea about engine parts...

physics/kinematics lesson... inertia is the force that keeps the engine in motion, mass is part of the equation... if you took away this "balancing" that is provided on one end by the flywheel and on the other end by the harmonic balancer/pulley you would get an engine that would shake to pieces - due to the nature that the engine is only firing one cylinder every 180 degrees, so we offset this to give the engine longevity... without it we'd lose oil pressure in literally months - instead of years because the vibration would first cause the bearing seats to deform or wear abnormally - thus causing the clearnces between crank and block to become irregular and over spec... so an engine designer will take into account all the aspect of this engine - crank couterweight design, compression, horsepower, environmental factors, etc... these are things that you can only guess about, they will not give up this info... now they take this info to determine the amount of inertia that the engine can use, more is better for vibration control, but more inertial resistance means a slow revving engine - so a balance must be determined... by shaving weight off the flywheel and/or harmonic balancer you will absolutely deviate from the expected life of the engine, but you will see a quicker revving engine, so downshifts and upshifts will occur quicker BUT you will be hard pressed to measure an acceleration difference... you will gain a benefit from a smaller pulley because all the accessories will be getting less power and the drivetrain will get that power instead...

YOU WANNA SAVE INERTIAL LOAD?? take those stupid 19" or 22" rims off your car that wasn't designed for that... get lighter rims, but KEEP THE SAME DIAMETER... use low profile tires and you will see a regearing that will absolutely make a difference in how much torque you are putting to the ground... torque is what you are after in a sports car, horsepower allows for higher top end speed, it is a measure of work - which has no time limits... torque is where the acceleration is... so how is torque measure... ft-lbs... that means a force applied over a distance - or more accurately at a distance... so let's talk numbers... let's say you have an engine that makes 100ft-lb, then you are in 1st gear and your total drive ratio for 1st gear is about 14:1... then drivetrain eats some power (which becomes heat), so after the reduction of speed to 1/14th of the speed you would expect 14 times the torque, but you will see maybe 11 times due to the losses... so we now have 1100ft-lbs of torque coming through the driveshaft... so to determine how much "force" or "power" you are putting to the ground you have to divide your available torque by the radius of your tire... most tires are like 28" tall - give or take, but we'll just say 24" because 1/2 of that (the radius) is 12"... 1 foot... so now we have 1100 lbs of force accelerating the car... ok... so let's look at a larger rim and tire combination... let's exagerate... go to 36"... half of that is 1.5 feet... so now we have to divide 1100 ft-lbs / 1.5 ft... so we get 733 lbs of "thrust"... so this is why your 4x4 truck is slower with the big wheels...

I'm rambling... but that is Capt Morgan talking... but the point is that this is information, not my opinion... I am backing what I say by the facts that have made me come to believe what I do... instead of just spewing useless opinions like so many in the message board realm do...


sorry for the flame, but I get so tired of people claiming to know something that they follow up with information that proves they don't...

Munch,

THANKS for the head's up, and for letting everyone on SL know about this also. I guess I'll hold on to my $$ for a little while longer.

"where do you get the idea that a harmonic balancer that has been lightened by a machinist is any better than an aftermarket part...??"

because they can balance it after its been lightened and it still retains the harmonic dampener

Munch,

THANKS for the head's up, and for letting everyone on SL know about this also. I guess I'll hold on to my $$ for a little while longer.
No problem man, looks like I just took one for the team :lol: :lol:

Munch,

THANKS for the head's up, and for letting everyone on SL know about this also. I guess I'll hold on to my $$ for a little while longer.
No problem man, looks like I just took one for the team :lol: :lol:

You should be able to get your $$$$ back. The part doesn't fit!

Munch,

THANKS for the head's up, and for letting everyone on SL know about this also. I guess I'll hold on to my $$ for a little while longer.
No problem man, looks like I just took one for the team :lol: :lol:

You should be able to get your $$$$ back. The part doesn't fit!
Yeah I know , I'm not too worried about that :D

"where do you get the idea that a harmonic balancer that has been lightened by a machinist is any better than an aftermarket part...??"

because they can balance it after its been lightened and it still retains the harmonic dampener

the harmonic dampening isn't because the unit is balanced, it is because of it's mass... the more mass at a larger radius the better for dampening... the lighter the less useful it is...

Thanks Munch. Does make one wonder if they've even fit tested their shifter and fuel rail, etc.

I was thinking about the shifter, but now I'll wait till someone else gets one :)

You folks are harsh..maybe they sent you the wrong pulley?

You folks are harsh..maybe they sent you the wrong pulley?
Right on the box is a picture of the XB and in clear lettering it states:
"Crank Pulley for 2004 & newer Scion XB part # PTP-ENG-100"
So I don't think I'm being harsh at all. There is no excuses for this pulley not fitting at all.

You folks are harsh..maybe they sent you the wrong pulley?
Right on the box is a picture of the XB and in clear lettering it states:
"Crank Pulley for 2004 & newer Scion XB part # PTP-ENG-100"
So I don't think I'm being harsh at all. There is no excuses for this pulley not fitting at all.

Mike,

How are we being so harsh?

Munch ordered a part, took the time to install it and found out that it doesn't fit properly. Its just like any other part review here on SL. He didn't get it for free, he wasn't sponsored the part, he bought it, and is entitled to his opinion as is everyone else who posts a review.

I am always grateful to those who post honest reviews here. Its part of what SL is about. Helping others so everyone knows what works and what doesn't.

Calm down squirrel... :)

I've had the wrong parts packaged in the right packaging and sent to me before. Not knowing they were the wrong parts, I went ahead with the install. The parts wouldn't fit...I'm here like 'wtf.' I, then, contacted the company who made the parts. They went ahead and shipped out replacement parts. Yes, the hard work and waiting sucks...but saying that Perrin did not do R&D for their products is hard to swallow...

I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt. 'Don't have a cow!' :lol: I'm sure Perrin will gladly help Munch out, if not Vivid Racing. Munch might want to call or PM "Perrin Adam" for help...

And yes, I was waiting for someone to install/review it before I took a jab at it... :lol:

"where do you get the idea that a harmonic balancer that has been lightened by a machinist is any better than an aftermarket part...??"

because they can balance it after its been lightened and it still retains the harmonic dampener

the harmonic dampening isn't because the unit is balanced, it is because of it's mass... the more mass at a larger radius the better for dampening... the lighter the less useful it is...

I'm waiting for you to attempt to explain torsional resonance to these guys. Good luck!... :)

George

hey now break it up you 2 :D

Mike,

Funny I don't see any capitals in my post, or angry emoticons. My post looks like a normal matter of fact tone post. My post is neither derogatory, nor does it flame a specific business/person. I just thanked Munch for posting his review, and for saving me some money.

Funny, I can't find any of this in my post: "Yes, the hard work and waiting sucks...but saying that Perrin did not do R&D for their products is hard to swallow..."

Or is it that you're upset cuz you have an interest in the part that Munch installed?

If someone else is being harsh in a post, its not fair to include everyone in the thread as being harsh.

What, am I going to be put on "probation" now cuz I was "harsh"? Just cuz I post every mod has got to look at my threads w/ a fine tooth comb? Its no wonder those with the knowledge have left this site.

Just because I don't have a certain product on my car, because I don't support a certain business, and because certain mods run businesses that I don't buy from, I get criticized?

Its not those who post here that will bring down this site, its the mods who are taking posts personally.

Go ahead and edit/delete this post, I have it saved to my hard drive.

Oops, SORRY MUNCH for getting OT!

Calm down squirrel... :)

I've had the wrong parts packaged in the right packaging and sent to me before. Not knowing they were the wrong parts, I went ahead with the install. The parts wouldn't fit...I'm here like 'wtf.' I, then, contacted the company who made the parts. They went ahead and shipped out replacement parts. Yes, the hard work and waiting sucks...but saying that Perrin did not do R&D for their products is hard to swallow...

I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt. 'Don't have a cow!' :lol: I'm sure Perrin will gladly help Munch out, if not Vivid Racing. Munch might want to call or PM "Perrin Adam" for help...

And yes, I was waiting for someone to install/review it before I took a jab at it... :lol:

Oops, SORRY MUNCH for getting OT!

It happens :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BTW I will be calling Vivid Racing back again today, if they don't get me first :lol: :lol: :lol:

Munch,

THANKS for the head's up, and for letting everyone on SL know about this also. I guess I'll hold on to my $$ for a little while longer.
No problem man, looks like I just took one for the team :lol: :lol:

You should be able to get your $$$$ back. The part doesn't fit!

Let me know how it works out. If the situation gets resolved and everything fits like its supposed to, I'll order a set.

Let me know how it works out. If the situation gets resolved and everything fits like its supposed to, I'll order a set.
I'll do that. I just didn't want people running into the same problem that I did.

Look at the picture closely and you can see the size difference of the power steering part of the pulley. It's just not the same size as the stock unit,it's smaller. So I guess all of them will have this problem.
http://store1.vividracing.com/catalog/images/prnxbpulley2.jpg

Yeah, I can see it now. and they said no underdrive, so you know that's not by design. Odd.

and, Squirell, I think that Mike was busting on me.

Yeah, I can see it now. and they said no underdrive, so you know that's not by design. Odd.

and, Squirell, I think that Mike was busting on me.
Yeah, I was..mostly... RAWWRRR!

I meant no harm, though... ____ happens *shrug*
I PM'd squirrel...so hopefully everything will be dandy soon.

Look at the picture closely and you can see the size difference of the power steering part of the pulley. It's just not the same size as the stock unit,it's smaller. So I guess all of them will have this problem.
http://store1.vividracing.com/catalog/images/prnxbpulley2.jpg

post the measurements of it maybe? ill check it with my perrin pulley in my gareage then. just to make sure it wasnt a one time packaging issue?

post the measurements of it maybe? ill check it with my perrin pulley in my gareage then. just to make sure it wasnt a one time packaging issue?
I'll do it for you later when I get home from work.

I'm sorry to hear that :( and thanks for letting us know. :) I was planning to buy the pulley too. I've heard many people talked about this issue in the Subaru forum (in general where its size matched with the OEM's). They even make a poll on it. Anyway, according to the poll, the perrin pulley is worth an upgrade and cause no damage to the engine so far.

I don't have the link, but you can do a search on google...


Hope that Pulley Adam have a solution for this. :?:

post the measurements of it maybe? ill check it with my perrin pulley in my gareage then. just to make sure it wasnt a one time packaging issue?
The smaller wheel of the pulley (the power steering belt side) is 5 1/8 inches. The Big side ( the alternater belt side) is alittle under 6 1/2 inches.

post the measurements of it maybe? ill check it with my perrin pulley in my gareage then. just to make sure it wasnt a one time packaging issue?
The smaller wheel of the pulley (the power steering belt side) is 5 1/8 inches. The Big side ( the alternater belt side) is alittle under 6 1/2 inches.

thats the same as mine, ands the whole thing is about 1 5/16" thick
any word back from vividracing?

post the measurements of it maybe? ill check it with my perrin pulley in my gareage then. just to make sure it wasnt a one time packaging issue?
The smaller wheel of the pulley (the power steering belt side) is 5 1/8 inches. The Big side ( the alternater belt side) is alittle under 6 1/2 inches.

thats the same as mine, ands the whole thing is about 1 5/16" thick
any word back from vividracing?
They called me today at 1:57p.m. EST. They gave me a direct number to Perrin. I told this guy at Perrin what the problem was and he told me he would get back to me tomorrow after he checked a few things. He was supposed to be the guy who built the pulley. I think he knows that they screwed up. He was trying to tell me that the pulley was the same exact size as the stocker. I told him he better take another look. I even told him to look at the pictures on Vividracing.com, because you can clearly see that the sizes are different. I guess I'll be sitting here wiating for what he has to say tomorrow. But I'll keep everyone posted :? .

I think I hear the sound of a CNC machine working 3 shifts a day and,, *sniff sniff*, What's that, Oh, the smell of someone being fired.

I think I hear the sound of a CNC machine working 3 shifts a day and,, *sniff sniff*, What's that, Oh, the smell of someone being fired.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

it looks like the outer diameter of the perrin is the same as the inner diameter of the stock on.

maybe that couldve been where the screw up was in making it? if there was a measuring problem

It looks like someone didn't read the drawing/blueprint corectly.

As soon as Munch gets the proper pulley installed, I'll order it.

It looks like someone didn't read the drawing/blueprint corectly.

As soon as Munch gets the proper pulley installed, I'll order it.

ya thats what im thinking, mistakes like this do happen. look at nasa, they crashed a super expensive space thingy once because one team worked in metric and the other worked in inches or whatever

As soon as Munch gets the proper pulley installed, I'll order it.

You just can't stop modding so us newcomers can catch up.... :lol:

As soon as Munch gets the proper pulley installed, I'll order it.

You just can't stop modding so us newcomers can catch up.... :lol:

While my 2 year old son was napping, I installed the TRD shift light kit in less than an hour! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock: :roll: :wink:

I waiting for some hardware to show, so I can do another mod before the week is out. :wink:

I have a few other items of interest, but I need the strength in my right hand to come back first.

hate to sound like a mechanical idiot... but can these pulleys be used on automatics also?

As soon as Munch gets the proper pulley installed, I'll order it.

You just can't stop modding so us newcomers can catch up.... :lol:

While my 2 year old son was napping, I installed the TRD shift light kit in less than an hour! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock: :roll: :wink:

I waiting for some hardware to show, so I can do another mod before the week is out. :wink:

I have a few other items of interest, but I need the strength in my right hand to come back first.

And as squirrel was moding, the scion central was open late burning the midnight oil as well, making some late night mods. :twisted: I am also waiting to see what the result is on the pulley mod. :D

hate to sound like a mechanical idiot... but can these pulleys be used on automatics also?
Yes it can.

where do you get the idea that a harmonic balancer that has been lightened by a machinist is any better than an aftermarket part...?? that doesn't even get close to a comprehension of what a harmonic balancer does... you first need to go take a course in engineering called Kinematics... but before that you'll need Dynamics, because you'll at least need a handle on the physics behind the purpose of a harmonic balancer... then you can move on to machine design...

then you can come back and edit your post to let people know that you have absolutely no idea about engine parts...

physics/kinematics lesson... inertia is the force that keeps the engine in motion, mass is part of the equation... if you took away this "balancing" that is provided on one end by the flywheel and on the other end by the harmonic balancer/pulley you would get an engine that would shake to pieces - due to the nature that the engine is only firing one cylinder every 180 degrees, so we offset this to give the engine longevity... without it we'd lose oil pressure in literally months - instead of years because the vibration would first cause the bearing seats to deform or wear abnormally - thus causing the clearnces between crank and block to become irregular and over spec... so an engine designer will take into account all the aspect of this engine - crank couterweight design, compression, horsepower, environmental factors, etc... these are things that you can only guess about, they will not give up this info... now they take this info to determine the amount of inertia that the engine can use, more is better for vibration control, but more inertial resistance means a slow revving engine - so a balance must be determined... by shaving weight off the flywheel and/or harmonic balancer you will absolutely deviate from the expected life of the engine, but you will see a quicker revving engine, so downshifts and upshifts will occur quicker BUT you will be hard pressed to measure an acceleration difference... you will gain a benefit from a smaller pulley because all the accessories will be getting less power and the drivetrain will get that power instead...

YOU WANNA SAVE INERTIAL LOAD?? take those stupid 19" or 22" rims off your car that wasn't designed for that... get lighter rims, but KEEP THE SAME DIAMETER... use low profile tires and you will see a regearing that will absolutely make a difference in how much torque you are putting to the ground... torque is what you are after in a sports car, horsepower allows for higher top end speed, it is a measure of work - which has no time limits... torque is where the acceleration is... so how is torque measure... ft-lbs... that means a force applied over a distance - or more accurately at a distance... so let's talk numbers... let's say you have an engine that makes 100ft-lb, then you are in 1st gear and your total drive ratio for 1st gear is about 14:1... then drivetrain eats some power (which becomes heat), so after the reduction of speed to 1/14th of the speed you would expect 14 times the torque, but you will see maybe 11 times due to the losses... so we now have 1100ft-lbs of torque coming through the driveshaft... so to determine how much "force" or "power" you are putting to the ground you have to divide your available torque by the radius of your tire... most tires are like 28" tall - give or take, but we'll just say 24" because 1/2 of that (the radius) is 12"... 1 foot... so now we have 1100 lbs of force accelerating the car... ok... so let's look at a larger rim and tire combination... let's exagerate... go to 36"... half of that is 1.5 feet... so now we have to divide 1100 ft-lbs / 1.5 ft... so we get 733 lbs of "thrust"... so this is why your 4x4 truck is slower with the big wheels...

I'm rambling... but that is Capt Morgan talking... but the point is that this is information, not my opinion... I am backing what I say by the facts that have made me come to believe what I do... instead of just spewing useless opinions like so many in the message board realm do...


sorry for the flame, but I get so tired of people claiming to know something that they follow up with information that proves they don't...
"where do you get the idea that a harmonic balancer that has been lightened by a machinist is any better than an aftermarket part...??"

because they can balance it after its been lightened and it still retains the harmonic dampener

the harmonic dampening isn't because the unit is balanced, it is because of it's mass... the more mass at a larger radius the better for dampening... the lighter the less useful it is...

I'm waiting for you to attempt to explain torsional resonance to these guys. Good luck!... :)

George

Ugh, my head hurts :?

We goofed big time! Yes the pulley doens't fit, the inside pulley is a 10% reduction, which causes it to interfere with the oil pump housing.

We made 2 different pulleys as prototypes, one same size as stock, and one with a 10% reduction on the PS side of the pulley. During the test fitting, the stock one fit and the 10% reduced one didn't! When it came time to make the production part the program for the 10% reduction was used, not the stock size. That is also why on our site we don't mention anything about them being 10% reduced on the PS side, because its not supposed to be reduced.

Anyone that has one of these pulleys in hand needs to contact us so we can exchange them for the right pulley (which are going in production later today). You may also contact your dealer you bought it from to do the exchange. At this point it will be 2-3 weeks before we ship them out to the customers.

We are very sorry for the inconvenience we have caused to anyone that has installed this pulley. We are doing our best to quickly get the right parts made and out to the customers.
Munch thanks for bringing this to our attention, i am glad you are being very understandable about the situation.

The good thing about our goof is we now have some really cool, expensive paper weights for Christmas gifts!

wow first time i saw a manufacturer admits to teh boo boo

I applaud you for your honesty

We goofed big time! Yes the pulley doens't fit, the inside pulley is a 10% reduction, which causes it to interfere with the oil pump housing.

We made 2 different pulleys as prototypes, one same size as stock, and one with a 10% reduction on the PS side of the pulley. During the test fitting, the stock one fit and the 10% reduced one didn't! When it came time to make the production part the program for the 10% reduction was used, not the stock size. That is also why on our site we don't mention anything about them being 10% reduced on the PS side, because its not supposed to be reduced.

Anyone that has one of these pulleys in hand needs to contact us so we can exchange them for the right pulley (which are going in production later today). You may also contact your dealer you bought it from to do the exchange. At this point it will be 2-3 weeks before we ship them out to the customers.

We are very sorry for the inconvenience we have caused to anyone that has installed this pulley. We are doing our best to quickly get the right parts made and out to the customers.
Munch thanks for bringing this to our attention, i am glad you are being very understandable about the situation.

The good thing about our goof is we now have some really cool, expensive paper weights for Christmas gifts!

thanks for letting us know what happened and in a quick manner!

now i need to go call vividracing. ill post what their course of action is after i get off the phone

The good thing about our goof is we now have some really cool, expensive paper weights for Christmas gifts! :lol: Frisbee's of Death!!! ;)

And the mystery is solved :lol: :lol: . Thanks for the phone calls I appreciate it. I just wanted to get this situation resolved and now it is.

wow first time i saw a manufacturer admits to teh boo boo

I applaud you for your honesty
It happens bro. I just wish I didn't have to find out first :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ok i just called vividracing, jon is sending me a return label to send it back and is ordering the correct one for me. if you got yours from vividracing also drop them a line

sales@vividracing.com
1.866.44.VIVID ext 290
AIM - vrgraphixxxs
www.vividracing.com

ok i just called vividracing, jon is sending me a return label to send it back and is ordering the correct one for me. if you got yours from vividracing also drop them a line

sales@vividracing.com
1.866.44.VIVID ext 290
AIM - vrgraphixxxs
www.vividracing.com
I'm sending mine directly to Perrin. I already got an RMA number from Jeff. I guess I'll be the first one to get the correct pulley :lol: :lol: :lol:

In my line of work it's a cliche to say "Every problem is realy an opportunity" I like to punch those people that say that in the mouth, but in this case it's true. I'll be getting the pully and shifter from Perrin because of this quick response and honesty.

We are sending return labels out to our customers, and having the new pulleys ship from perrin, once they are ready, thanks for you patince in this matter.

Jon.

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!
About 3 weeks till the right size pulley will be available

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!
Is it a set? I thought it was just the crank/balancer pulley.

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!
Is it a set? I thought it was just the crank/balancer pulley.
That's all it is One pulley the crank pulley.

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!
Is it a set? I thought it was just the crank/balancer pulley.

Sorry, was too excited, its pulley, singular, so I shouldn't have made it sound lkke more than one. But, if I get another xB..............................

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!
Is it a set? I thought it was just the crank/balancer pulley.

Sorry, was too excited, its pulley, singular, so I shouldn't have made it sound lkke more than one. But, if I get another xB.............................. :lol: Well, I just wanted to make sure. I have a habit of not paying attention. :oops:

Alrighty now. Looks like I'll be contacting Vivid Racing soon so I can get a set of Perrin pulleys!
Is it a set? I thought it was just the crank/balancer pulley.

Sorry, was too excited, its pulley, singular, so I shouldn't have made it sound lkke more than one. But, if I get another xB.............................. :lol: Well, I just wanted to make sure. I have a habit of not paying attention. :oops:

LOL, I'm so broke, I can't pay attention!

Munch should get his for free.

Munch should get his for free.
Yeah I think I should........................but that will never happen. I wasn't even offered a discount on future parts :lol: :lol: :lol:

Munch, maybe Perrin will offer a group buy for the revised pulley?

Munch, maybe Perrin will offer a group buy for the revised pulley?
It's not gonna help me out, mine is paid for already. I'm just waiting for the replacement pulley :( .

Munch should get his for free.

I agree, imagine the non scionlife people that bought the pulley and are wondering what to do. Props to perrin for posting on scionlife and taking care of one of our own. I will await the three weeks for the new products to come out. 8)

Munch, maybe Perrin will offer a group buy for the revised pulley?
It's not gonna help me out, mine is paid for already. I'm just waiting for the replacement pulley :( .

Oops, sorry about that Munch. I tell you what, when you come out to the "left" coast, I'll host a meet for you and buy you dinner.

Munch, maybe Perrin will offer a group buy for the revised pulley?
It's not gonna help me out, mine is paid for already. I'm just waiting for the replacement pulley :( .

Oops, sorry about that Munch. I tell you what, when you come out to the "left" coast, I'll host a meet for you and buy you dinner.
I might have to take you up on that offer squirrel :D

Munch, maybe Perrin will offer a group buy for the revised pulley?
It's not gonna help me out, mine is paid for already. I'm just waiting for the replacement pulley :( .

Oops, sorry about that Munch. I tell you what, when you come out to the "left" coast, I'll host a meet for you and buy you dinner.
I might have to take you up on that offer squirrel :D

Anytime, just let me know. Give me a few weeks notice.

Munch, maybe Perrin will offer a group buy for the revised pulley?
It's not gonna help me out, mine is paid for already. I'm just waiting for the replacement pulley :( .

Oops, sorry about that Munch. I tell you what, when you come out to the "left" coast, I'll host a meet for you and buy you dinner.
I might have to take you up on that offer squirrel :D

Anytime, just let me know. Give me a few weeks notice.
No problemo 8)

so is there any news about the revised pulley?

so is there any news about the revised pulley?
Not yet I'm still waiting. They did say 3 weeks though :(

so how many days until P-day?

Gabe, three weeks from the 1st, makes it around the 22nd.

did u get the new pulley yet?

did u get the new pulley yet?
NOPE :x :x :x

Munch, any word on the pulley yet? Your xB is lookin' pretty good.

Munch, any word on the pulley yet? Your xB is lookin' pretty good.
Thanks bro :D . Nope nothing :x , I'm going to call them later today.

Munch, any word on the pulley yet? Your xB is lookin' pretty good.
Thanks bro :D . Nope nothing :x , I'm going to call them later today.

Kewl! Thanks!

So if it doesn't underdrive anything, it's just lighter? I'm used to crank pulleys being smaller in diameter as well as being lighter. ?

yeah, just lighter. Alum and cut up to reduce weight.

well, this was going to be my next mod, especially after perrindan and perrin were so seemingly 'stand-up' about getting this remedied. I'm really suprised this hasn't yet been rectified?!? Please keep us updated and Perrin, step up to the plate.

are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet???

are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet???Nope and it sucks. It's probably gonna be a few more weeks from what I was told :x

are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet???Nope and it sucks. It's probably gonna be a few more weeks from what I was told :x

:( :shock: :evil:

hmmmm from the Krap that they have given ya, you should get some monetary compensation :(

hmmmm from the Krap that they have given ya, you should get some monetary compensation :(
It seems like it will never end. Hopefully it gets here before Christmas :x

hmmmm from the Krap that they have given ya, you should get some monetary compensation :(
It seems like it will never end. Hopefully it gets here before Christmas :x

Yeah, this isn't looking good at all. I hope this gets resolved before the end of this year. Man, I was really hoping for good results w/ this.

ya, now i have to wait until summer to try mine out when i get it. i put my xB in the garage for winter the otherday

ya, now i have to wait until summer to try mine out when i get it. i put my xB in the garage for winter the otherday

Man, I would go thru withdrawals not being able to drive my xB.

I knwo the feeling though. I put my 929RR up for the winter also.

ya, now i have to wait until summer to try mine out when i get it. i put my xB in the garage for winter the otherday

Man, I would go thru withdrawals not being able to drive my xB.

I knwo the feeling though. I put my 929RR up for the winter also.

ya it sucks, im stuck driving my metro that i can only open driver door from inside and the window is all off track so it dont go up all the way

ya it sucks, im stuck driving my metro that i can only open driver door from inside and the window is all off track so it dont go up all the way

Yikes, well my Matrix is an auto, but its shod w/ Bridgestone Potenza S-03s in 225/40-18. :twisted:

ya it sucks, im stuck driving my metro that i can only open driver door from inside and the window is all off track so it dont go up all the way

Yikes, well my Matrix is an auto, but its shod w/ Bridgestone Potenza S-03s in 225/40-18. :twisted:

im rolling on 12's
the only good thing about them is i can burn them up and its only 18$ a tire to replace at walmart
i was thinking of cramming my scion tires onto, but they would rub a bit

Munch, any word yet? Its 2005 now.

Munch, any word yet? Its 2005 now.
Still nothing :x Don't you just love this :x

Buddy of mine has a Perrin Pulley on his EJ25. He said that you really don't notice it except when takin off from Second Gear.

Munch, any word yet? Its 2005 now.
Still nothing :x Don't you just love this :x

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

calling PerrinDan... hellooooooooo

by this point I don't see why all those who had the pully's haven't told Perrin to blow it out their asses by now. This type of wait is unacceptable. You should've either had your parts or your money a LONG time ago.

all I can say is you have the patience of Job.

I got good news fellas. The new pulleys are finally finished. Perrin shipped out the new pulleys to Vivid Racing and the people that ordered the pulleys should be recieving them in about two weeks. Looks like the wait is finally over :o :o :D :D IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!

I got good news fellas. The new pulleys are finally finished. Perrin shipped out the new pulleys to Vivid Racing and the people that ordered the pulleys should be recieving them in about two weeks. Looks like the wait is finally over :o :o :D :D IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!

about time, i called and left a msg asking to cancel my order today but they never returned my call

I got good news fellas. The new pulleys are finally finished. Perrin shipped out the new pulleys to Vivid Racing and the people that ordered the pulleys should be recieving them in about two weeks. Looks like the wait is finally over :o :o :D :D IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!

about time, i called and left a msg asking to cancel my order today but they never returned my call
You better hpe they don't cancel it. The wait has been far too long for all of us. I've been waiting since 10-26-04 :o Where you at squirrel :?:

I got good news fellas. The new pulleys are finally finished. Perrin shipped out the new pulleys to Vivid Racing and the people that ordered the pulleys should be recieving them in about two weeks. Looks like the wait is finally over :o :o :D :D IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!

about time, i called and left a msg asking to cancel my order today but they never returned my call
You better hpe they don't cancel it. The wait has been far too long for all of us. I've been waiting since 10-26-04 :o Where you at squirrel :?:

i probably will sell it otherwise. i changed my mind what im gonna do with the scion, im gonna make it more of a comfort vehicle instead of performance

ill make the 2000 dodge neon im buying performance, theres way more stuff out for that anyway. and i dont have a warranty to worry about

I got good news fellas. The new pulleys are finally finished. Perrin shipped out the new pulleys to Vivid Racing and the people that ordered the pulleys should be recieving them in about two weeks. Looks like the wait is finally over :o :o :D :D IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!

about time, i called and left a msg asking to cancel my order today but they never returned my call
You better hpe they don't cancel it. The wait has been far too long for all of us. I've been waiting since 10-26-04 :o Where you at squirrel :?:

I'm right here. I was in shock and just now regained my composure.

Keep us posted. I may have to change my mind and get one if it all goes well. I have my fingers crossed for you.

Not that my suspension is 95% complete, its time to move on to the engine, and I already have some parts collecting dust.

Munch, dare I ask if its installed?

Munch, dare I ask if its installed?
:x :x :x No, but I'm gonna call to bug the hell out of them in about an hour :lol: :lol: :lol:

I just got an email with a tracking number from guess who :yawn: :yawn: . The pulley will be here tomorrow via UPS. I'll take a few pictures for you guys that have been waiting from the begining like me. I still don't know if I want the damn thing. I guess I'll know after I get it tomorrow :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:

lol...the never ending story...
if you don't want it, let me know...

i got tracking number too, they tried deliver today but i was at work, the gf will have to sign for it tomorow while shes watching my place waiting for my new shiny 56" tv to get delivered

It's finally here. They changed the whole design and the damn thing feels lighter than the one I had before. Pictures are in the links in my sig.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4287617169&idx=80

Wow, it has been totally redesigned. Are you going to mount it? Or eBay it away? Let me know if you mount it and how it goes. THANKS MUNCH!

Wow, it has been totally redesigned. Are you going to mount it? Or eBay it away? Let me know if you mount it and how it goes. THANKS MUNCH!
I kinda like it. I'm gonna mount it tomorrow. But I won't be able to test it until all this snow blows over. I'm gonna be stuck in PA for a few days till they clean up the snow that's gonna fall tomorrow night through sunday. It's supposed to be between 6-12+ inches of snow :nails: :nails: :nails: But I'll be in the garage mounting the pulley 8) . I'll let you know how the throttle response is.
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/1104perrin_pulley.JPG

THANKS MUNCH!

THANKS MUNCH!
No problem bro 8)

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/1104perrinpulley1.JPG

nice... just by eyeballing it, it seems to "line up" much better than the first production pulley in comparison pic from the vivid site...

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/images/prnxbpulley2.jpg

i like the look of the new one....
good luck with it...

hmmm.. that's hot. Thanks for deciding to mount it.