If you've done over say 34, could you also comment if you have,

1. base xA or RS 1.0 xA?

2. larger aftermarket wheels

or anything else that might be relevant like how many miles are on the engine...


I'm almost convinced that Scion has screwed us and has done misleading advertizing of the xA.

Mine is listed as 32 city, 38 highway, but my max on the highway is 32.

I voted 38 just because the best I have gotten was just over 42 mpg. My median mpg is around 34-35.

edited to say:

Base scion, no add ons but the floor mats. :D

I just realized that it didn't include "38+" as the last vote selection...

Bastar... uh, that's great that you get such wonderful milage. ; )
(yes I'm jealous..)

First 204 miles 35.5. Mixed.

I just realized that it didn't include "38+" as the last vote selection...

Bastar... uh, that's great that you get such wonderful milage. ; )
(yes I'm jealous..)

I am very aware of my gas milege. I take my time accelerating from a stop. I coast most of the way down my street when I come home.

These are just a couple suggestions that I try to keep in mind when I drive.

Oh and I check the tire pressure whenever I fill up. :)

When I got 42 I was trying to see what kind of gas milege I could get. I drove 5 miles below the speed limit, and when no one was behind me I would coast for a bit.

I just realized that it didn't include "38+" as the last vote selection...

Bastar... uh, that's great that you get such wonderful milage. ; )
(yes I'm jealous..)

I am very aware of my gas milege. I take my time accelerating from a stop. I coast most of the way down my street when I come home.

When I got 42 I was trying to see what kind of gas milege I could get. I drove 5 miles below the speed limit, and when no one was behind me I would coast for a bit.

No fair! You cheated! ; )

I got 32, all highway at 55, when actually going out of my way, just to see what the absolute high milage I could sqeeze out of this car. Tire pressure was 50psi on an RS 1.0.

No fair! You cheated! ; )

I got 32, all highway at 55, when actually going out of my way, just to see what the absolute high milage I could sqeeze out of this car. Tire pressure was 50psi on an RS 1.0.

Just so non-RS1.0 owners don't try to pump 50psi into their stockies, the RS1.0 xA has 17" Enkei wheels...

I've been getting 36-40 without even trying. And so far that's been on regular unleaded (86 octane). I am now burning a tank of premium (91 octane) to see how high I can go.

When I drive highways at 65-75 MPH, I get at least 36 MPG, sometimes 37.

When I drive mountain roads at 35-55, I get 39-40 MPG.

My xA is totally stock except for window tint. I have the auto trans.

I should add that I live at 9,000 feet elevation and drive anywhere between 4,000 and 9,000 feet, though usually 7,000 feet and higher. Not sure whether the thin air helps, but I have been very happy with my MPG.

I willl update you all when I reach the end of my current 91-octane tank. I'm hoping for 45!

I'm almost convinced that Scion has screwed us and has done misleading advertizing of the xA.


i would agree with you IF (and only if) scion were the ones doing the testing to get the advertized mileage. but the posted mpg come from a 3rd party who tests all the cars across the board... so it is more of a reference point to compare vehicles than a actual point of advertisement.... though we (yes, i am included) use this info to make a buying decision in hopes of achieving the posted milage. Sometimes you get it, and sometimes you don't... and rarely, you get BETTER than posted.

I was hoping to get 40 mpg w/ this car... and i still may -- this engine is very fresh (only 1200 miles on it!) Plus with tires/wheels different than tests... you never know how much that will impact fuel efficiency.

Thanks for running this poll... i will be interested to see how it comes out. I just hope you don't get to worked up on this "Scion lied to us" kick... remember... they are the ones who have made it possible for you to smile every time you open your garage door.

peace.
~jonathan

When I bought my xA, the salesman warned me to heed the owner's manual, which says to vary your speed for the first 1,000 miles. It says not to drive at any one speed, fast or slow, for any length of time.

I thought this break-in period for new cars was a thing of the past, but the salesman said no. He said if you don't break the engine in this way, it will mess up your MPG for the life of the car.

Anyone else ever heard this? Is it true or BS? Did any of you who are getting lower MPG than you expected neglect to break in the engine? Just wondering.

I varied my speed quite a bit for the first 1,000 miles and am getting great MPG. Beginner's luck or proper break-in procedure?

My other car, I put well over a 100,000 miles on (the Z).

For this, I planned on keeping for just as long, or longer, and took no risks when babying this car, being a mechanical engineer, know how important it is to properly break/seat in new parts...


One other idea, that I think is negatively effecting the low milage folks is the alignment. Too much toe or caster could effect it. Too much camber I would actually think would HELP it, because you'd have less contact patch with the road, hence less rolling resistance.

Has anybody done an alignment on their cars since they got it. I heard for somebody else that some of the new cars's alignments need to get redone. That's the next thing on my list to improve my milage!

i wonder if this would be something covered under warrenty?!? I haven't checked that out... would I feel something -- shaking or roughness -- if things were a bit out of line?

~j

i wonder if this would be something covered under warrenty?!? I haven't checked that out... would I feel something -- shaking or roughness -- if things were a bit out of line?

~j

Too much toe in, you probably wouldn't feel at all, but you'd get lots of tire scrub.
Too much toe out, you'd definately feel. It would make the car follow grooves in the road and make it twichy.

Too much caster, you would feel in the steering wheel. You'd feel more resistance when trying to move the steering from 12'oclock.
Little caster, You'd feel very little, or no resistance from 12'oclock. In my car, I feel this, but that's a good thing for milage. Also, I don't believe it's even adjustable in the xA.

If the alignment doesn't match, left side to right side, you'd feel the car pull to a side when you let go of the steering wheel.

If you don't feel it pull to a side, it doesn't nessisarilly(sp) mean that your alignments fine.

Well... i just filled up a 1/2 tank -- it was $1.79 today, and i couldn't pass it up. After driving about 85% city and 15% hwy i got a new high for my xA RS 1.0 -- 34 mpg!! I would like to say i really took it easy, but honestly... i just drove normal with a little extra coasting here and there. C'mon engine!!! I'd love to see this keep going up... but i'd also be very hapy with 34 in the city.

should i vote again? or can i delete my previous one?
~jonathan

OH -- and i nearly forgot:

those of you with higher mpg (well... anyone for that matter) - i'd be interested to know how many miles you have on your vehicle. Those of you getting 36+ mpg, is your engine fully broken in? those of us getting 35- mpg, is our car really just too young still? Having a 4 mpg jump in efficiency while temps are dropping has really got me curious...

~j

Boston location (sea level or up to 300 ft above max)
Highway driving 88% of the time
87 Octane (nobody in the US can sell 86 Octane, it's all 87 or above)
35 MPG early on BEFORE I bought 17-inch wheels and a set of BF Goodrich G Force Sports.
With the 17-inchers, I've been getting anything from 29 to 33 with an average of 31.

Break-in was normal
Automatic
Regular xA
I got Lojack and an remote starter and floor mats. No other mods.

I'll post again once I go back to the 15-inch wheels for the winter.*****

****I've heard that cold air (hence the number of people buying CAI) helps mileage and performance, so I expect to get 35+++ once it gets cold out.

Jeff

Best I have seen on my xA RS is 32 miles/gallon.
I have almost 2000 miles on it.
Manual.

CAI helps gas-mileage??? If that's the case, I am going to get one~!!!!
I definitely want a lot higher gas-mileage than 32.

I do 90% high way at 70+mph, so the engine is always revving at higher than 3500 rpm, more like ~4k.

Eat you later. :lol:

Boston location (sea level or up to 300 ft above max)
87 Octane (nobody in the US can sell 86 Octane, it's all 87 or above)


Uh, the pumps I was using clearly said 86 on a little yellow sticker next to the price. Are they rounding down or just plain wrong :?:

should i vote again? or can i delete my previous one?
~jonathan

If you can do either, go ahead. Obviously, if you can delete the previous, that'd be the best because it would sway things improperly. I have no control over the poll.

34mpg, after filling up today :D

4000 miles driven like a rented mule leaving a forgien country. consistantly 31mpg.

TRD shocks struts springs
stock rubber

I have a RS 1.0 with automatic. My best is 36 MPG, worst is 32 MPG. Average is 35 MPG. I use 87 octane and drive about 90% freeway, but with some stop and go (Wash. D.C. traffic) almost every day.

Opps!

I think I may have screwed things up and accidently removed the poll... All I did was go back and edit some text that wasn't right in the first post, and the poll dissappeared... I'm trying to talk to the admin to recover the data...

Sorry folks!

YES!!!!

I GOT THE POLL BACK, AND DIDN'T LOOSE ANY OF THE INFO!!!! Man, I should get like a free spring kit for figuring this out! Even one of the forum admin's said they couldn't get the data back. :wink:

Anyways, when I was trying to fix things, it wouldn't let me fix the poll w/o adding new selections. Well, as you can see, they're out of order! Blame the forum software. Unfortunately, I can't delete the selections..


By the way, one more thing, although it asks you to vote again instead of showing the results (when you've already voted), that's ok. I've already checked and it won't let you vote again if you've already voted.

Just go straight to the results if you've already voted!

I would have to say that my average has been around 36 city. I have the aem intake, and trd sport muffler. That might help a little. I have gotten around 45 on hiway. Just what i'm gettin. I have a stick, and i shift at 3. seams to get the best milage that way. Just my input

Hey, I havn't seen anything from the new folks that have voted, on what they are doing, or their car setup is, to get the 35+ mpg on the poll.

We already know that 2 of you folks have cheated by driving in neutral at every available chance! ; )

Come on guys/gals, let's me honest with this poll. :)

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I'm only around 1400 miles so far, but I haven't gotten above 30mpg yet, and it's ____ing me off.

This tank of gas I'm babying it as much as possible to see what I can get.

If I can't get above 30mpg, I won't be keeping it.

I drove the first 1000+ miles on a trip from San Diego to San Jose. I never stayed at one speed for more than 30 min, and didn't go above 80mph. Sounded like a good break-in to me, but maybe I've messed it up.

I read another guy say that after 3000ish miles the mpg starts to peak, so I'll wait until 5k or so.

Here's hoping...

And sorry for the old post bump. New to the forums and reading waaaay back.

Just got my RS (#1448) this week. Had to drive 90 miles to get it. I noticed that odometer didn't match highway mileage markers. It's possible that our mpg's aren't accurate because after 90 miles my odometer showed around 83. At least on the RS, and probably because of the wheels, we may have to add 6-7% to get accurate mpg's.
Maybe a few others taking long drives can check odometer accuracy for us

I voted for 38 mpg but I've gotten 40 mpg once. I drive a xA 5 SPD stock.

I think a lot of things can come into play when it comes to measuring your mileage. Can't quite remember but I believe I read somewhere that gas mileage in the winter is usually not as good as the summer due to the colder and denser air. Also, isn't the gas a little different when it is very cold out? I live in NYC so I can't quite comment whether or not elevation affects mileage. ANother reason people could be getting better mileage is if they drive behind a tractor trailor. Dangerous but definitely less air resistance 8)

i've been getting about 28mpg in the stop and go, still under 1000 miles though. i really wanna try out my 15 inch rims and see if that makes any differnce.

There seems to be a huge drop off in mileage over 55 mph on the highway. I got almost 6 mpg more by keeping it between 55 and 60. On the highway around here that's hard to do!

****I've heard that cold air (hence the number of people buying CAI) helps mileage and performance, so I expect to get 35+++ once it gets cold out

i think that the density of the air negates the density of the air :P i read somewhere, that although the air is dense, so the engine sucks more in, the car itself has to move through denser air, therfore negating any hp gain. dunno if thats right though.

oh, and i've never been higher than 35 mpg. and i've got about 35k on the odometer. i drive pretty lead footed though. but, i think it's more a product of the crap gas we get in california.

30 first tank.... 33 second tank... 28 third tank....

I think I've been having too much fun driving it on the 3rd tank....

When I first got my xA, I had about 38+ mpg. Now, I think I get around 34 - 35 unless I'm going 70 - 80 mph on the freeway, I get around 30 or so.

I'm on my third tank of gas. I'm filling up at about half a tank. My first tank , I was getting 28--all stop and go driving to work. This last fill, I'm up to 32 mpg. I figure I can squeeze about 32-34 the way I drive. I'm ok with that--especially the way I drive.
I figure the xa will get about 35-38 on the highway. I'll let all know when I get my next results.

I got about 33mpg on my first tank....then 35 on the next tank which was all highway from Lexington to Owensboro and back had the car 4 days and put 600 miles on it and love it

Holy ____!! how do you guys get this kind of mileage. I've got an intake and 17"s on my ride and i can bairly squeeze 32 out of my hatch!

My milage history...

Odo mpg
295 30
541 32
822 28
906 24
1021 32 (~90% 55mph highway. Purposely set aside a few hours for a test to get the max milage possible)
1185 31
1452 28
1715 29
1835 25
2064 30
2184 26
2436 25
2613 26
2860 25
3114 26
3352 24

My last 2-3 gas tanks I've been babying it like crazy, trying to get back in the 30s again, but I can't seem to get above 26mpg now... Very very dissapointing...

I have just over 3000 miles on my xA RS 1.0 and I've yet to have a 30+ mpg tank of gas. I've been averaging about 25-26. I drive 32 miles to work in the morning and 32 miles home in mostly stop and go traffic, so maybe that has something to do with it.

I've tried babying it, I've been varing my speed to try and "break it in" and I'm just not sure what else to do. I've been getting just under 300 miles before my low fuel light comes on, which leaves me at 25 mpg on a pretty consistant basis. It's REALLY frustrating to be getting so much less per gallon than what so many other owners claim to be getting.

Any ideas??

-Jay-

2005 xA automatic, stock wheels with 8500 miles.

Best recorded MPG was 37 on straight, flat, freeway at about 70mph.

Overall average to date is 29.6 for all types of driving.

The EPA ratings for most cars is about 10% higher than "real mpg" under typical driving conditions. About 70% of my driving is city, stop & go, so I'm happy with 29 for an overall average.

My last car was a Nissan Altima, EPA rated at 21/32 and it averaged around 23mpg.

2005 xA automatic, stock wheels with 8500 miles.

I should note that the stock tires are Bridgestone Potenza RE92 and I run them at 42-front & 39rear psi.

My milage history...

Odo mpg
295 30
541 32
822 28
906 24
1021 32 (~90% 55mph highway. Purposely set aside a few hours for a test to get the max milage possible)
1185 31
1452 28
1715 29
1835 25
2064 30
2184 26
2436 25
2613 26
2860 25
3114 26
3352 24
3564 26.9

I just figured out why my milages seemed to have dropped off and is a 25-26mpg steady. Just before 2000 miles, I bought a remote start Clifford alarm. I've been using it alot to start the car in the cold, before I get there, so when I start driving, not only is the engine warm, but the interior is tosty too. This definately shouldn't be helping my milage! After the tank I'm currently on, I'm going to try and not use the remote start for the next 2 or so tanks and see how it things change.

RS1.0
Tires: original
Pressures: 45-50psi

LeeD.... aren't your tires a bit over inflated?? I thought we were supposed to run them @ 29! Perhaps that is affecting your stats as well....

LeeD.... aren't your tires a bit over inflated?? I thought we were supposed to run them @ 29! Perhaps that is affecting your stats as well....

I'm also running my stock Bridgestone's above the recommended 29psi. But after testing about 10 different combinations from 26-46psi, and various offset front to rear pressures, I settled on 42-front & 39-rear. Even though the maximum cold pressure is listed as 40psi, it just felt soft and unresponsive below 42/39.

Of course a better solution would be larger wheels with lower profile, and higher quality tires.

With the problematic gas tank/filler neck I cannot judge full closely enough to get a very close idea of highest mileage. My average for something over 1000 miles approaches 37 MPG for mixed driving. Very little multi lane.

LeeD.... aren't your tires a bit over inflated?? I thought we were supposed to run them @ 29! Perhaps that is affecting your stats as well....

Actually changed them to higher pressure on purpose, to help reduce the milage around the 800-1000 mile mark. It looks like it didn't seem to effect it much. We had thread here talking about tire pressures and their effect on milage a few months ago. I'm too lazy to find the thread and post the link here..

I remember that thread as well, but I wasn't convinced. My last tank was exactly 30 MPG... all HWY driving on Christmas trip... I tried to keep it around 60 MPH, but really probably rolled around 75 MPH for the 600 miles or so...

So 30 MPG is pretty good I'm thinking for driving that fast.

My last tank got me 33 mpg, the tank before that was 32. I drive mainly highway with some city driving. I dont baby the car but i have yet to be really mean. I have stock wheels and a 100% stock motor at the moment.

My '04 xA averages about 31-32 MPG, doing a lot of city driving. I've gotten only as high as 34 when doing freeway driving at the speed limit. I have an automatic and the stock wheels, tires kept at 32 PSI.

Last fill up of about 9.5 gal got me 260 miles in mixed city/freeway driving.
This top up, 1/2 way through another 9.5 gal (I'm driving full to Empty gas tank blinking), doing about 150 miles for about 5 gal.

No matter what, doesn't seem to want to get up past 31mpg that's on the xA's sticker.
No way is this xA going to get near 38mpg!

tires on 29 as recommended, auto trans.

I just got 33 on my fillup today... best yet!

Last fill up of about 9.5 gal got me 260 miles in mixed city/freeway driving.
This top up, 1/2 way through another 9.5 gal (I'm driving full to Empty gas tank blinking), doing about 150 miles for about 5 gal.

No matter what, doesn't seem to want to get up past 31mpg that's on the xA's sticker.
No way is this xA going to get near 38mpg!

tires on 29 as recommended, auto trans.

regret getting this xa now, my rsx gets 32 mpg and it's 100 hps more than the xa. :doh: :doh:

regret getting this xa now, my rsx gets 32 mpg and it's 100 hps more than the xa. :doh: :doh:

I see your point that the RSX has a more sophisticated engine. But if we compare cars from different classes then you'll need to offset any disappointment in mileage with the extra 2000 gallons of gas you can by with the lower MSR price for the xA RS 1.0

the MPG on the sticker was a big selling point for me. I bought the car for this reason and it's just disapointting not getting it at this moment.

Down to the last two ticks on my 9.5 gal fill up and this thing is back to ~25mpg today. Don't know why it gobbles up gas like crazy, but we'll see in two ticks what it really gets on a refill (waiting for the gas light to blink again for an accurate measure).

=(

I agree - was eyeballing the RSX (still looks sweet years after release) myself, and the xA 1.0 + turbo is right in the same ballpark as a new RSX. So here, Toyota is really killing us by sticking a crazy 38mpg on the sticker (like what?!? at 40mph on an empty freeway?!?)

32 mpg would have gotten me to and from work for an entire month w/o a single fillup, but at 25mpg, what in the world is this sticker saying?!?

(would be funny if the number was actually mpk !)

MPK hahaha.......i'm planing to fill up the XA and go for a long long drive and see how many mpg i can get with this thing.

Got 35 MPG on 3/4 tank heading up to St. Louis Friday!!!

City 36mpg on average
Highway: @55mph-65mph...40mpg...HOWEVER...@80mph-95mph, at most 32mpg.....WHY IS THAT???????

Yep... I have to keep her under 60 to get it up higher... but who's in a hurry anyway? Take ur time, slow down, and enjoy the tunes!

That's the only way anyone is gonna see the advertised MPG.

As I always say, Half the fun is getting there!

But I'm still ____ed off by this crappy milage! It's proposterous! uh, propostirous? popostrious? It's bull crap! 8 )

There's really only one solution. Trading cars and comparing mileage... this will eliminate some driving style.

Just kidding! :silly: who would actually do this? Heh ...

All I know is I'm exctatic with my MPG....

Last month Phillips 66 bill: $320.00
This month Phillips 66 bill: $150.00

That is the exact reason I bought this car. I convinced my wife the bill would be cut in half and I was dead on the money. She's tickled pink... well that is if I sell some stock to pay for the thing... I also told her we'd never make a payment, but the market tuned on me a bit and payment #2 is coming up.... just need to milk $0.80 from one holding and I can pay her off in full!

I've only filled it once, but in a mix between 3 mile trips and 40 mile trips (more of the former) I hit almost 32mpg on my first tank. On the freeway portions, i was speeding up and slowing down a lot to break the engine in. I have been accelerating slowly.

Maybe this sounds a little far fetched but do you think your actual weight (i.e. the weight of the driver) could be affecting this? :/

Weight definitely affects fuel mileage. I don't know any general formula for it, but the less a car weighs (including what's in it), the less fuel it uses, and visa versa. The difference in driver weight alone would be really small, unless you're morbidly obese, in which case you're probably driving a geo metro convertible anyway.

If you want better fuel economy, pump up your tires, clean out your trunk, accelerate and drive slowly, and maintain your momentum as much as possible. You RS owners should also switch to smaller wheels.

Driving from Jacksonville, NC to Winston-Salem I was getting about 27mpg at 75mph...

just need to milk $0.80 from one holding and I can pay her off in full!

Ya, don't get me started on the market! Man, if only the market returned to how it was in 1999. :pray: I had such big plans for my Z.. Even on a good year, our stock is still less than half it was in it's hay day... Damb wall street just doesn't respond to good quarterly news like it did for the last 10 years...

Back to the topic of milage...

Has anybody with bad milage gotten an alignment, found it was off, and improved the milage? It would definately help. I've heard from a few people that the alignment of the cars were a little off coming from the factory. I've yet to get mine checked.. I've also yet to hear from somebody first hand that's found they had a bad alignment from the factory..

Also,
I've also heard from some people that they've seen better milage with some gas companies and worse with others. Chevron over here in California is suposed to be the good one, and Shell the one to avoid... I haven't seen any black and white difference between the two yet, but still observing..

Also,
I think I might be seeing a milage difference between using 87 and 91 (highest we have in CA). I might be getting better milage by about 1or2mpg with 91. Not sure yet. Anybody seeing this?

Cheers,

Oxygenated fuel, ethanol, MBTE, gasohol, etc. hurt mileage. They pack less punch while helping older cars make less pollution.

It's conceivable that 91 octane would get better MPG than 87 if the xA is set up to keep pushing the timing till the engine knocks. That way it would make more power and you'd have to use less throttle. The Dodge Intrepid V6 did that, but it was a detuned version of the 300M V6. It would run like the 300M when running on 91 octane until you floored it, in which case it went to a set fuel map and lost power.

Anyone know if the xA does this?

There's nothing inherently more powerful in 91 octane vs 87.

i'm gonna fill up with 91 oct when i empty this tank.

You might have to reset the ECU or something else to get the ECU to relearn conditions to make more power on 91 grade (assuming the car does that at all). The ECU would have to be willing to push the timing on its own, only backing off when it senses knock. At least a lot of cars don't try and do that. Usually the more expensive cars that demand 91 do that. You can put 87 and they run fine, but with a lot less power because the spark gets retarded. It's a short bus thing. ;)

on my rsx the ecu learn that automaticlly so i didn't considering rest the ECU on the XA before the fill up( i'll try to do that next time). anyway i fill up the scion with 91 oct today and went for a long drive. Before the 91 i used 87 and got 25 mpg ( the lowest i ever got) so far get 30 mpg with 91 and the cars feels lot smoother for some reason.

Never underestimate the power of thinking its better. A blind test is the best, or better yet, a dyno. Personally, I think we all need to accelerate slower in the city.

If you guys are using the defogger setting on the AC controls (turning it to the far right) you're using your air conditioning to dehumidify the air coming in. That eats gas!

Roll down the windows, or better yet invest in a set of vent shades to prevent fogging and still stay toasty inside :D

The best average i got was about 45/gallon and that was on a trip to vegas from orange county without traffic at night. I didn't have to use the a/c since i drove at night and well i made sure to start with a full tank to calculate exaact miles.

If you guys are using the defogger setting on the AC controls (turning it to the far right) you're using your air conditioning to dehumidify the air coming in. That eats gas!

Roll down the windows, or better yet invest in a set of vent shades to prevent fogging and still stay toasty inside :D

you know i got fed up with that fogging up the window ____. i was driving home the other night and left both windows open so i didn't have to use AC to clear up the fog. i was so cold and my fingers went numb but the fog didn't clear up for some reason, i had to pull over and use some old newspaper to wipe the windshield clean before i can drive again. :P

The best average i got was about 45/gallon and that was on a trip to vegas from orange county without traffic at night. I didn't have to use the a/c since i drove at night and well i made sure to start with a full tank to calculate exaact miles.

holy ghost !!! that's the highest i ever heard of!!! :bow:

Some details I just came acroos while reading a Consumer Affairs email,

About Those Mileage Estimates...
A few Congressmen have noticed what everyone else already knows: those gas mileage estimates posted on cars' windows don't have a lot of grounding in reality. They've introduced legislation that would require the Environmental Protection Agency to make the test for fuel economy ratings more like real-world driving. That would mean more high-speed driving, more aggressive accelerating and stopping, more short trips, driving with air-conditioning on and testing at a variety of temperatures.

Details: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/gas_mileage.html

38 +

For all these figures----is everyone driving w/ the air or heat on? If that is the case the low mpg figures woul make absolute sense. I live in a desert and don't use the car a/c unless necessary.

Since it's the tail end of winter, going into Spring, I'm guessing it's probably safe to say that most of the numbers were w/o A/C, and likely with the heater, or just the fan.

I just checked my average for the first time and I must drive a little hard... I got 304 miles out of 11 gallons... 26.6 mpg

That's with a lot of highway miles doing between 60 and 80 mph depending on traffic and some city miles maybe 65% Highway and 35% City... I'll keep checking how I'm doing but I really need to simmer down a bit in the driving dept. !


Edit

My math was wrong... 27.6 MPG

304 miles? That's terrible! Is the car stock? Is this w/ the air/heat on as well? Maybe it's the speed you're travelling at.

I drive fast on the highway, the revs are usually at 4K doing 80MPH, factor in the 17" Enkei Wheels and the hard acceleration during take off from stoplights etc and I got some bad fuel mileage. Plus I downshift a lot to pass or just speed up after having to slow down for merges and stuff. I really need to pull in the reins on myself in this fuel comsumption aspect.



< Leadfoot!

Heh... yeah... my mpg is pretty bad from driving around in boston too... it's just so hard to resist going 80 mph down the pike....

Last fill up of about 9.5 gal got me 260 miles in mixed city/freeway driving.
This top up, 1/2 way through another 9.5 gal (I'm driving full to Empty gas tank blinking), doing about 150 miles for about 5 gal.

No matter what, doesn't seem to want to get up past 31mpg that's on the xA's sticker.
No way is this xA going to get near 38mpg!

tires on 29 as recommended, auto trans.

regret getting this xa now, my rsx gets 32 mpg and it's 100 hps more than the xa. :doh: :doh:

Offset that w/

1. retail of vehicles
2. insurance
3. type of gas recommended (reg/premium)

Just filled up again... This time it was 311.6 miles from 11.5 gallons= 27.1MPG However, I was running around like crazy this past week. Most of my I93 time was spent at 85MPH... And a lot of hard starts off the line. I am really gonna try and bring the MPG # up this week.

Hey, at least I don't have to run my V8 cars this much... I'd Really be hurting then!

My last tank took me whopping 370 miles!

When I filled her up, she only took 10.5 gallons... that's over 35 MPG folks!.... my best to date.

Oh yeah.... I never take my baby over 65 mph and rarely over 60.... what's the rush?

No real big rush here, unless I am trying to be in two places at once while managing the Security Officers/Accounts that I handle for the company I work for... However I have been changing my driving habits by always shifting at 2.5K instead of 4-4.5k, unless I am meging or something, and keeping it at 60MPH for the most part... We'll see how the next fill up goes!

New xA owner here!

I've had my 2005 xA almost 2 weeks now, but been doing a lot of driving!
Getting great mpg, i think!

1st tank: 34mpg
2nd tank: 37mpg
3rd tank: 39 mpg

I live in Philadelphia & have been doing lots of city & highway driving.
Stock Bridgestone Potenas, stock everything.

mine gets 30 no matter what. ive got an 05 red one with big rims/low pro tires. im bummed. when i first saw them in canada-toyota echo wagon-they had a 54!mpg (usa) sticker1. the reason i got it is cause of mileage. i dont care much about power. shes got 7k on her and i broke her in properly. could the wheels suck up that much? i drive fairly consevatively, half and half, near sea level. waht could i do to help mpg? k&n filter? exhaust? does anyone make a hi mpg comp chip? i love the car but 30? c'mon! eme @ wildlands1@yahoo.com

I voted 40 because, on a trip to Georgia we chose to run out of gas to see how many miles we could get out of 10 galons of premium gas during a 50 degrees day. We had run out of gas at a 7-11 parking lot on our way to the highway and decided to put exactly 10 gals for the fun of it. We drove 400.6 miles before we could not go any further. I think we stopped at 400 because we floored it a few times before we started really feathering the gas pedal hoping to make it to the next gas station :pray: :pray: But we did not make it... :doh:
I had stock rims, Borla Intake, Borla Exhaust, Rear Spoiler and I had only one passenger just to give an idea of the conditions... Once I install a header and a cold air intake I will try again...

It's all of the details you guys have been talking about that affect gas mileage...a/c on, gunning it vs. a lighter driving style, not speeding to an excess on the freeway, etc. Oh, and tire inflation. Keeping it just a little higher than your Scion manual (or your door jam) tells you should help, too.

:loser: If you keep gas mileage in mind whenever you drive you'll get way better gas mileage. That is hard to do, though. Depends on what's truly important to you.

With all the value that's packed into this car, decent insurance rates, etc., overall this car is a great deal, eh? :relief: Not to mention it's unique and very cool looks, too.

36 mpg here. 95% highway (but hilly highway). 65 mph with cruise control on and no A/C so far. 5 speed manual transmission. Pretty conservative driving overall because I commute 60 miles each way to school and need to keep the fuel consumption down. I have about 1200 miles on the car and hope the mileage will improve a bit still.

Where do you get a cruise control for the xA?

36 mpg here. 95% highway (but hilly highway). 65 mph with cruise control on and no A/C so far. 5 speed manual transmission. Pretty conservative driving overall because I commute 60 miles each way to school and need to keep the fuel consumption down. I have about 1200 miles on the car and hope the mileage will improve a bit still.

Roll down the windows, or better yet invest in a set of vent shades to prevent fogging and still stay toasty inside :D

What are vent shades?

I just put gas in my Xa for the first time. I got ~355 miles out of 10.5 gallons so that's almost 34 MPG. This was about 40% city, 60% hwy at 5000-6000 feet MSL.

I have an automatic xA. My average for the last 4 months is 31.58. I drive on the freeway to get to work, and do some city driving on the weekends. Never really push the car. I really expected better from a 2400lb car with a 1.5 litre engine. My BMW wagon weighs almost twice as much and has a 2.5 litre 6 and gets 25mpg. I can even get 30mpg from the S2000 for effs sake. :(

With stock rims/tires and a K&N filter I get 38-40 consistently.

Now with 18" rims I get around 37, but I think it will improve over time.

Don't fool yourself. Elementry physics says it won't.

18" wheels are heavier, and most likely you went with wider tires too.

Heavier rolling inertia with the added weight, and more rolling resistance = less mpg

Roll down the windows, or better yet invest in a set of vent shades to prevent fogging and still stay toasty inside :D

What are vent shades?

Ventshades are those Chrome things that go in the top of the window frame so you can roll the window down a bit in the rain yet the rain won't come in...

Ventvisors are the same concept, only black/tinted in color and made out of plastic... Also far more popular/available!


Also, I check the average mileage on my Monte SS today, 265 Miles (Highway/City)*, 18 Gallons(93 Octane) = 14.7MPG!!!! Ouch

*This is the same Highway/City driving I do in my xA regularly... I am now very happy with the high of 31MPG average I managed to get from my RS1... :bow:

I have a manual and just got the floor mats as extras.

I get 32 mpg in the city and that is all stop and go. On the thurough-ways I averaged about 65 mph speed and 40mph between street lights. Since I haven't driven the HWY much I don't have any info for ya, but I expect my little beast to get 40mpg.

My 05 xA has been consistantly getting 33 mpg. The car has approx. 1500 miles on the clock .

Don't fool yourself. Elementry physics says it won't.

18" wheels are heavier, and most likely you went with wider tires too.

Heavier rolling inertia with the added weight, and more rolling resistance = less mpg

You are right about the wider tires, but after three tanks of gas and over 1200 miles since the rims were added I am still getting a bit over 37 mpg driving the posted speed limits (55/65). I am very satisfied right now.

Jesus, I average 26mpg with my xA. Granted it an automatic, but I saw some of you guys with auto's listing 30 or so. The car only has about 1500 miles so I don't know if it might get a bit better with time. Also considering getting the CAI which should help, right? Any other suggestions?

xA (AT) is about a week old and I'm still running on the gas the dealership gave me when I bought the car...
odometer tells me I've only gone 288 miles and yet my gas tank is drawing nigh on empty
On top of that, there were already 20 miles on the car when I bought it.

most of the xA's out there are still quite young... mine is rounding 12k and i'm finally breaking from a consistant 29 mpg now up to closer to 33 mpg. I'm wondering how the averages will change as the vehicle as-a-whole gets older. I would venture to guess that most xA's out there don't average more than 20k total miles.

any input on this?

i know i'd stilll love to see about 36 consistantly... but i love the car reguardless.

do cars tend to get better mileage as they get older?

somewhat, yes...after the motor breaks in mileage increases with a peak in mileage that can vary greatly when it happens before it starts to drop off due to wear...a poor break in though megates any increases of mileage for the most part...the biggest factor is good maintenance procedures and don't be a lead foot...

When I bought my xA, the salesman warned me to heed the owner's manual, which says to vary your speed for the first 1,000 miles. It says not to drive at any one speed, fast or slow, for any length of time.

I thought this break-in period for new cars was a thing of the past, but the salesman said no. He said if you don't break the engine in this way, it will mess up your MPG for the life of the car.

Anyone else ever heard this? Is it true or BS? Did any of you who are getting lower MPG than you expected neglect to break in the engine? Just wondering.

I varied my speed quite a bit for the first 1,000 miles and am getting great MPG. Beginner's luck or proper break-in procedure?

Haven't read all the post on this page but that is NOT BS!!!!!!! ANY new engine needs to be broken in properly, the purpose is so that the rings are seated properly. It doesn't take 1000miles though. More like 50. You need to operate the engine at various RPMs for short amount of times revving all the way from idle to redline. This will properly load and seat the rings.

READ: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

My milage history...

Odo mpg
295 30
541 32
822 28
906 24
1021 32 (~90% 55mph highway. Purposely set aside a few hours for a test to get the max milage possible)
1185 31
1452 28
1715 29
1835 25
2064 30
2184 26
2436 25
2613 26
2860 25
3114 26
3352 24
3564 26.9

I just figured out why my milages seemed to have dropped off and is a 25-26mpg steady. Just before 2000 miles, I bought a remote start Clifford alarm. I've been using it alot to start the car in the cold, before I get there, so when I start driving, not only is the engine warm, but the interior is tosty too. This definately shouldn't be helping my milage! After the tank I'm currently on, I'm going to try and not use the remote start for the next 2 or so tanks and see how it things change.

RS1.0
Tires: original
Pressures: 45-50psi

Well, about a month ago, I got an alignment. Initially, the gas milage didn't change much.

About a week or two after, drove up to Lake Tahoe (about 4hr drive). Driving up there, driving around, and driving back, I fill or topped off the tank 3 times. Each time I got about 30mpg! This made me very happy. But since then, driving around town and back and forth to work, it's about 25-27mpg...

I sure would like to be able to break above 32mpg. Say, 31mpg city, and 37mpg highway! Like it's SUPPOSED TO! ; )

I have just over 3000 miles on my xA RS2 auto trans.....have never gotten less than 33mpg and my last tank was 395 miles/10.7 gals = 36.91588 yadayadayada or 37 mpg :love: That tank was roughly 95% highway mileage.

Mike

When my Ford Aspire was two years old, I got 42 mpg when I moved from Detroit to Fort Worth (average for the whole trip). You mean if I replace it with an xA, my mileage will go down? Ratz.

When my Ford Aspire was two years old, I got 42 mpg when I moved from Detroit to Fort Worth (average for the whole trip). You mean if I replace it with an xA, my mileage will go down? Ratz.

It may go down, but in my opinion you should be gaining in the comfort/features categories...

8)

Hmm, I average 32-33, but I have gotten 38 (37 point something) on ONE trip to NY. I have a base model, manual, still rolling on steel (err), and I'm up to 12,000 miles. I think my gas mileage is the result of my somewhat agressive driving.

I just made a back and forth trip between Boston, MA and Fort Drum, NY about 330+ miles each way. My average speed was 80MPH or more... Managed to get 32 - 33+MPG each way. This is with a clutch that slips at the higher RPM range. I now have 18,000 miles on my xA RS1.

Hmm, I average 32-33, but I have gotten 38 (37 point something) on ONE trip to NY. I have a base model, manual, still rolling on steel (err), and I'm up to 12,000 miles. I think my gas mileage is the result of my somewhat agressive driving.

In my experience, it's not nessisarily the aggressive driving, but the short 30min trips of mostly lights. I've found that regardless of how slow you accelerate in stop and go, I can't even get close to 30mpg.

Second I hit the highway, and the majority of the tank is highway, the milage jumps up. When I'm driving on the highway, it also doesn't matter very much how fast I'm driving. 90mph avg or 55mph avg. Even if I occationaly floor it to go up a hill (which was often when driving to Lake Tahoe). I consistantly hit 30mpg-32mpg.

Speaking of flooring the gas when going up a hill, crap, a suburbin full of a family pulled away from me once when going up a hill and I was floored... That's just wrong..

Hmm, I average 32-33, but I have gotten 38 (37 point something) on ONE trip to NY. I have a base model, manual, still rolling on steel (err), and I'm up to 12,000 miles. I think my gas mileage is the result of my somewhat aggressive driving.

In my experience, it's not necessarily the aggressive driving, but the short 30min trips of mostly lights. I've found that regardless of how slow you accelerate in stop and go, I can't even get close to 30mpg.

Second I hit the highway, and the majority of the tank is highway, the mileage jumps up. When I'm driving on the highway, it also doesn't matter very much how fast I'm driving. 90mph avg or 55mph avg. Even if I occasionally floor it to go up a hill (which was often when driving to Lake Tahoe). I consistently hit 30mpg-32mpg.

Speaking of flooring the gas when going up a hill, crap, a suburban full of a family pulled away from me once when going up a hill and I was floored... That's just wrong..

I'm getting 32 MPG based on my current calculations. This is mostly driving around town. Pretty good I say. The real test will be this fall on my annual road trip up north to the white mountains. :pray:

I was told the gas tank for xA was 10.9 gallons yet the bible says 11.9 If its 10 then i got 45mpg driving like a sissy and doing the speed limit. My lowest was about 22-25 and i averaged 100mph and it was all highway driving.

you don't calculate it by the size of your tank you bozo.. ; )

you calculate it by how much you REFILL your tank at the gas station! and how many miles your drove since your last top off! ; )

Owner since June 11th. ~40.5 Mpg. the last three fill ups.
65 miles one way to work taking about 55 minutes. Mixed road driving from 40 Mph to 75 - 80 if traffic allows. Last fill was at 390.6 miles @ 9.620 gallons to fill up.

I only have 2200 miles on it so far, but the mileaga has leveled out around 37 so far.

I use 91 octain, drive mostly highway, I keep the windows up as often as I can, and I DO NOT COAST! I live in Connecticut where it is all hills, you learn early here that coasting can get you killed by overheating the brakes. I tend to run with traffic so highway speed is around 70 to 80, I jackrabit in the city and spend lots of time in traffic.

I tried that 87 octain stuff, and I was getting about 31 mpg on it, so 91 is the way to go for me.

Warning Math Ahead.

Cheep Gas

2.899 Per Gallon @ 32 mpg = About $.09 Per mile

Super

3.099 @ 37 mpg = About $.084 Per mile

Saveings using Super about $1.00 per 100 miles.
I drive about 300 miles pre week, so I actualy save $3.00 per week by paying more at the pump. Not to mention that I go to the gas station less often.

LeeD: you use size of tank and divide by miles driven for MPG BOZO! I watch my low gas light turn on and go another 50 miles so i have to fully fill up. Right now i only get about 310-330 miles on a tank. But I have a heavy body kit, 18's, and drive like a maniac. The only saving factor is performance mods helping ease engine stress

35 mpg city driving. But this is before I get bigger rims and start doing engine work. I wonder what it will be like after all that.

2005 xA Manual

41 mpg

Average speed ~55 mph, driving up and down lots of mountains. Cruise control is the best feature on my car!

Mods on my car include 17" x 7" Motegi Trak Lite wheels with 215.40.17 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 tires, K&N filter for stock intake system, DC Sports axelback exhaust, and DC Sports 4 - 1 header. I run 87 octane gas from Tesoro Alaska and Royal Purple engine oil with factory filters.

Changing to my winter tire setup (factory wheels with 185.60.15 Bridgestone Blizzak snow tires) had no discernable effect on gas mileage over the same route.

Damn, that's pretty good. Especially with those 17" rims.

My best is 34.8 combined highway and city. Air and running rpms over 3k have a big effect.

My 2006 xA has had 4 tanks & the average is 30.63
with a high of 32.26, none of this on the highway.

I'm in Florida so the AC is on all the time & I have
racks & sometime a surfboard up there too... :)
http://static.flickr.com/26/50380226_e918dd4e81.jpg

2006 xA No engine mods. Stock tires and wheels (for Now).

First tank of gas was 32mpg.

Worst was when I drove back from Indianapolis and had to fill up with crappy 10%ethanol. That tank got me 29mpg.

Best tank was 37MPG. 70/30 Highway driving, and I stayed under 75MPH the whole time. Note I use 87 Octane Chevron gas, not that I think this matters.

Compared to my last car, this is saving me a gallon of gas every day that i have to go to work (6 days a week on average). I've not yet hit 2000 miles, BTW.

Yea, I'm happy.

I have just finished my 3rd tank since buying my xA. Avg was 37.5 mpg...70%hwy/30% city. This car is saving me mad money on my commute! I agree that AC and staying under 75 mph are HUGE factors on mileage. Good thread!

I live in L.A. and I drive 2.5 mi to work on Santa Monica Blvd, meaning lots of lights close together, no real speed build up, but not bumper-to-bumper idling. When I don't drive Highway at all, I get about 21 mpg max. When I take a trip and drive all Highway, I get 32 mpg max, windows closed, usually a/c. Car is 4 months old.

what is the deal???? does mine have a problem, besides my lead foot? i average 28-30 around town and the best i've got was 32.5 on the highway, with the cruse set. any suggestions.....

I have done up to 39.5mpg. I have a 06 xB (weighs more + more wind resestance.) I have a YDR short ram intake, precission mufflers axle back & 17x7 wheels with 215/40R17 tires. That tank of gas I did about 60% driving at speeds of less then 40mph. The other 40% was spent at a speed range of 40-80mph. I have a manual & was shifting at around 2,000-2,500rpm. I have been able to hit the 39mpg range 2 times & for the life of the box, my average has been right about 35mpg. The vast amount of my driving is done on base, so the top speed I can go is 35mph..

stock auto xa (15's).
1100 miles on it.
First tank was less than 30mpg which had me pretty freaked esp since i work on them daily.Second tank was slightly better 34mpg.

Changed my driving style to easy take offs,staying under 70mph and just cruising.She is seeing around 39mpg now..But drive over 75+ and beat on it and watch it suck gas.

To add:
a few articles explaining the window sticker on gas mileage:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-03-02-aaa-usat_x.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-08-17-fuel-econ-cover_x.htm

I am going to try to get better mileage .Rite now,I'm getting between 33-37.My first purchase will be a Tornado Fuel Saver for this car that mite bump it up a bit ?My second is a K/N air filter or,another fuel saver?I know in a few months I will get "solid" hubcabs for my Xa .
I hope to achieve somewhere rite around 41-44 MPG?If I could do that I would be very happy. My best was 440 miles b4 fill up but I was on air ,lol.I have about 750+ miles on my 2006 Xa from what I have heard here I may still b breaking it in so I'm gonna do some regular driving b4 my next fill upto get at least a 1000 on my odometer.I have heard that gas prices r rising again,ouch!

I believe the filter may help with the fuel milage, but I've heard negative things about the "Tornado"...

Driving style will affect your fuel mileage more than anything else you do to your car. If you have cruise control, use it. Try not to go above 65 -- my best gas mileage comes from driving at 55, but speed limits are higher in most places. Accelerate slowly, and get off the gas early if you know you're going to stop, then brake gently. Check out the February issue of Car and Driver; one of the editors' columns has some good info about tests he did on fuel economy in a Lexus RX400h, which showed that driving style and speed had a profound effect on mpg numbers.

If you want to do some mods to your car, intake/header/exhaust can help improve fuel economy, as well as lighter wheels and removing unnecessary cargo to further reduce weight. Doing all of this, my fuel economy is up to 41mpg -- and that's driving up and down Alaskan mountains! I've also heard that a lighter pulley can help too, but I have no experience with that, myself, so I can't speak to its effectiveness.

i havent gotten over 300 per tank :(

going to find out next month what is the max mileage .I figure by then my Scion will b broken in and ready .

Hello everyone, this is my first post on here. I have Ordered my 2006 Scion xA SSM and should be receiving it within the next month. I've been reading info about Scion xA on these forums to get an idea of any problems, mods and improvements one can have. Then I come here to this post. No one really explaining why mileage is so all over the board.
Here I will attempt to explain why this is the case.

I am computer engineering graduate, and i have worked on the hybrid car project here at my alumni.
I have attended several seminars on controls and have learned a lot about how a road vehicle works.

Whilst I don't know every single aspect about how a car works (and please correct me if I'm wrong,) I do have a good understanding how cars these days work.

Most vehicles today, as far as i know, are around 35% efficient. (don't quote me on that.)

First lets start with what will loose mileage,
-too much air and little vaporized gas, this will result in no power. *rarely the case
-too little air and too much gas, this will result in over power and over heating the engine, and possible crack the header of the engine *and believe me this is a mess to clean up.
-using the A/C all the time. the power to drive the Freon through the car is controlled by a small electric motor connected to the engine on a pulley system, Similar to the alternator. This device must be driven to keep your cockpit cool. so a good 5% - 10% of the engine's efficiency is used here.
- Transmission gear ratio's, Too much revving and no power to the wheels. I don't know to much on transmissions.
- resistance during exhaust. this will block up air flow.
- fuel, this has been noted, and YES the type of fuel you us does have an impact
- weather. uncontrollable
- driving style. if you drive like a racer expect to lose mileage or if you drive in the city more also expect to lose mileage
- oil, the oil gets dirty. And becomes similar to sludge if left for too long. I.E. NOT GOOD
- Water/radiator. Dirty radiator water won't keep the engine cool.
- poor tire pressure

What will help with mileage
- cooler air during vaporization process. not too cold. this will help with combustion, and help keep the engine cool. So a cold air intake, and clean filters
- Less resistance during exhaust. I.E. New muffler,
- more controlled driving. Less race like acceleration.
- good quality fuel.
- open your windows except using the A/C. The moving air will carry the heat away from your body.
Tip, on a hot day, first let the heat out of your car by opening the doors or window. About a minuet. Don't turn on the A/C right away, let the A/C radiator cool by just letting air pass over it. Other wise more energy will be used to cool it off before it starts to cool the cockpit. Which means more gas waisted.

This is all mechanical, but there is an electronic component to the whole equation. The car's computer. The computer controls the majority of the sparking and injection of the combustion system. And when first installed on a car, it is usually default from the factory. From my knowledge the software for this is essentially a look up table depending on engine speed, road speed, fuel combustibility, engine temp., and THE WAY YOU DRIVE. This table or graph, depending on programing, is continually changing as you drive your car.
Like someone mentioned above about break in period. This is important because it sets the computer to the way you drive and the environment you drive at the very beginning. And the algorithms for controlling all the systems is complex.

Again, don't quote me on any of this, Toyota/Scion may have taken a totally different approach. All the above is just from my knowledge from workning on the hybrid project at my alumni

You mention a lot of good points. In my experience, I've found that there are still some others that will effect the milage still (or perhaps you even listed it and I missed it because your post was like a college report and you lost my attention ;)). I'm sure you already know though if you didn't list them. A/F ratio optimization to provide best punch for least gas. Rolling resistance and mechanical loss in the car(engine, tranny, wheels, etc) due to weight, momentum or lubrication. I won't get into it too much though because we could just go back and forth here and I honestly don't have the time to write novels on it.

Something I found interesting is that it seems that more people near the tail end of this thread are getting higher milage, 35+ than during the start. I'm starting to think that some of the parts on the newer models have improved quality to create the milage improvement.

Has anybody ever taken their car to the dealership to get this fixed?

I haven't posted here for a while, but here's my milage history,
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=433695#433695
I'm basically at a very dissapointed 25city/30highway at the moment and 14k miles later.

In Jan.'06 I bought my Scion Xa .Since then my mileage varied from 31-37 mpg.Needless to say I was somewhat dismayed.After driving my Scion for a month changing my driving habits and such I finally got fed up and installed a tornado fuel saver .It really helped as it always did with my other cars that I have previously.Despite debunkers ,with it installed I was getting 1-4 mpg xtra.Since that time I have installed another with it and am getting now 42-47 mpg.I also discovered that driving habits ,watching the psi in ur tires,and monitoring ur A/C use can greatly improve mileage(y'all I live in Mississippi).Just doing 1 of these things I have found out can increase gas mileage on ur car.Rite now at this moment I'm getting 43-45 mpg.If anybody here wants more info on the links to these devices that greatly improve ur gas mileage please,E-mail me . I am going to do a few more mods and hopefully reach 50mpg and beyond hopefully getting into "hybridville".

Thank U

I own a '06 Scion Xa silver,auto.. Just got my 6000 mile fuel change and have 2 fuel savers on my car.I'm fixing to do other mods on my car to try to 50+mpg and beyond!

27mpg. Automatic. Just passed 2000 miles.

someone please tell me my mpg will get better. :tap:

Apple guy,
those tornado fuel savers really work?
whats the power output from when you installed it? better or less power. because i find it strangely odd taht you can gain that much mpg from them. do you still have the stock intake or aftermarket,
send the link too, i want to check it out.

Tornadoes work.I have had 3 vehicles in the past and each has given me at least 2mpg.Also the tornado gives u 2hp as well .Ur not going to win any dragraces with it,lol but it's tried and tested with me .All that hearsay I have heard about it not working I think is poppycock.

apple,
on a stock intake or on an aftermarket?

my '06 is a stock model

bump

2005 xA automatic, stock wheels with 8500 miles.

Best recorded MPG was 37 on straight, flat, freeway at about 70mph.

Overall average to date is 29.6 for all types of driving.

Update --
Switched to Denso Iridium plugs at 26,000 miles.

Recorded a best of 42mpg on a long freeway trip at 60mph. Average for all miles is now 29.9 with 75% stop and go driving. Average for 29,000 miles is now 29.9.

Anybody else have luck with these Iridium plugs? I'm starting to consider them. Thanks for the data Saronian!

When I bought my xA, the salesman warned me to heed the owner's manual, which says to vary your speed for the first 1,000 miles. It says not to drive at any one speed, fast or slow, for any length of time.

I thought this break-in period for new cars was a thing of the past, but the salesman said no. He said if you don't break the engine in this way, it will mess up your MPG for the life of the car.

Anyone else ever heard this? Is it true or BS? Did any of you who are getting lower MPG than you expected neglect to break in the engine? Just wondering.

I varied my speed quite a bit for the first 1,000 miles and am getting great MPG. Beginner's luck or proper break-in procedure?

Would that be relevant for those with a manual transmission? I would like to see the comparison with gas mileage between XA Automatic Transmissions vs. XA Manual.

Most I've ever seen was 37.0 MPG, on my way back from the SL BBQ.

I remember leaving my car stock for 2 months the best I got was 37 mpg and that was just the hwy.Since,installing 3 fuel savers and checking my air in my tires (anally ,I mite add)I have been getting 43+ mpg .This last week I have calculated with the A/C on full blast (most of the time)I have recieved rite around 39-40 mpg .I drive around 54-59 mph and don't have jackrabit stops/starts.I blieve fully that if u drive 65+ mph u mite as well b throwing ur wallet out the door.Compared to 3 Toyota Prius's I have blown them away with my gas mileage .I have only been beat by 2 and they were Honda Hybrids starting at 56mpg and 64 mpg.For $10,000 less I have been beating Prius's.U can do this as well if u want to go there?So far this year I have only paid about $ 426 dollars on gas .It's been only 5 months and about 9,000+ miles on my odometer since I have recieved the car !From the knowledge I have recieved from this I am going to cut down on my traveling around that much,lol.I have been adament that the Scion xa could do better than what's posted so here it is.Instead of buying hi-performance parts like springs and rims and such which I personally don't dissuade others from getting It's just not me ,I have instead watched constantly my driving habits and so on.I hope this helps y'all a little ?

I have a 2006 xA with 1,200 miles on it. i consistenly get 33mpg with mixed city and highway driving, plus zipping around and "racing" around a little.

I just did a 100 mile test and drove about 60 highway and 40 city and tried to drive very efficient and i got 39mpg.

I'm very satisfied i've been getting over what the sticker says...

I tried "granny" driving for a tank-full and I got 30.8 mpg. I usually get 28-29mpg when I zip around town...the extra 30 miles per fillup ain't worth crapola!

i consistenly get 33mpg with mixed city and highway driving, plus zipping around and "racing" around a little.

I just did a 100 mile test and drove about 60 highway and 40 city and tried to drive very efficient and i got 39mpg.
That's right about what I get with our '06 AT using air in the summer. A 20 mile mixed city/highway commute gets 34-35, and a long drive at 55 brings it right around 40. And that's all without blowing money on fuel savers, mystic crystals, or wearing out over-inflated tires. :lalala:

There are either large differences in engine tuning, fuel quality, or everyone's personal definition of easy driving.

When I bought my xA, the salesman warned me to heed the owner's manual, which says to vary your speed for the first 1,000 miles. It says not to drive at any one speed, fast or slow, for any length of time.

I thought this break-in period for new cars was a thing of the past, but the salesman said no. He said if you don't break the engine in this way, it will mess up your MPG for the life of the car.

Anyone else ever heard this? Is it true or BS? Did any of you who are getting lower MPG than you expected neglect to break in the engine? Just wondering.

I varied my speed quite a bit for the first 1,000 miles and am getting great MPG. Beginner's luck or proper break-in procedure?

Would that be relevant for those with a manual transmission? I would like to see the comparison with gas mileage between XA Automatic Transmissions vs. XA Manual.

Elina,,
It would be relevant for those with manual transmissions. The differences between auto and manual trannys is pretty low. About 0-2mpg. About right in the middle of the noise in variation from just car to car.

Jeak,
I think most people here followed the breakin procedure to a T. There's been questions regarding it here for a year or two now and most of the people who posted their milage have mentioned they follow it. I know I definately have for 2,000 miles, but I still get crappy milage of 26c/30h, 32best.

Anybody here have a friend that's a lawyer? I'd like to bounce a few proposals off him/her. I've considered taking this to court a few times now.

New record for the little egg.

Truckee to Portola, Portola to Oroville, Oroville Roseville, Roseville - Truckee, 329 miles. filled up, got around 43mpg... I babied it the entire way and didn't go over 70mph while on I-80

so far, 2006 AT 7500 miles, the best that I have got was 38.9 I average 32 with easy driving and 160 mile trips every weekend, no stop lights.

I think that scion has posted their mpg findings falsely.

i took the first whole-highway trip saturday (146 miles one-way, and about 20 of those were city streets (or country roads if you want to get technical...it was in the middle of nowhere in kentucky)). i filled up right before i left and when i got back i filled up - put 9.114 gallons and got 318.6 miles. got about 35 mpg. my car now has 1785 miles on her. LOL.

35 sounds like an improvement. :) Accelleration from a stop and pushing wind at high speed use the most fuel, and a long trip at moderate speeds gives you conditions closest to what the EPA uses for its test.

Our little "Indigo Pink Earl" is hitting the EPA numbers, but it's a bit more broken in at ~9000 miles.

I must be doing something wrong. I'm only getting 30. If that.

I have the stock Bridgestone Potenza's on mine with a max.P.S.I. of 44.The manual says,"29"but, I put them around 34-36 P.S.I..Maybe,I'm stretching the envelope but,after 10,000 miles of watching my tire pressure like a hawk ,I c no problems thus so far .I am but 1 man though and I do not have any garauntees on this.Another thing, I found out is that some fuel savers work the others r poppycock and r a waste.The Tornado fuel saver I have found out is the best .I have put this on 3 different cars along with this Scion Xa and found increases with it from hybrids to minivans to Scions of at least 1 to 5mpg.Also they have cool air caps for ur tires that monitor ur air pressure and I have found that they work.Another fuel saver is the platinum fuel saver that increases mileage up to 1-5 mpg .The first hearing I had about this was my friend who has a 96-97 Ford Taurus with both the Tornado and Platinum fuel savers on it and is getting between 29-36 mpg .The platinum fuel saver cost the most out of all fuel savers around 120 bux but,in my blief it is worth it.The Tornado cost from 45 to 70 bux and depends on where u get it.With these devices on ur Scion u can c a improvement on ur gas mileage .For me doing regular driving and the A/C on full blast I'm getting on average 40% cty and 60%hwy about 38-40 mpg.If I "granny" my driving not using the A/C and only going hwy at about 54-59 mph I can get in between 43-48 mpg.I have found out I can get near "hybridville" in these test and have beaten 3 Toyota Prius's in contest of mpg .I have only lost twice but, that's not bad considering these were hybrids and cost on average 8- $10,000 dollars more.3 out of 5 ain't bad , when considering this.I hope I helped y'all ?

About a year ago I ran a test and verified that running more than the recommended pressure didn't make a difference in milage...

I will look into those iridiam spark plugs though!

i am getting terrible gas milage. I have a greddy exhaust and injen cold air intake, even if i drive slow and slowly accelerate, i am getting about 20-26 miles/gallon.

oo, that is bad.

How's your alignment? Hit any large pot holes?

Tanabe DF210 lowering springs at 500 miles
all the following with air conditioning off
delivering chinese got 37.8mpg first tank,traffic light=all red during break-in period
now 2000 miles constant speed of 55mph of commuting to school gets me 41.6mpg
Denver mile high elevation
with variable valve timing and electronic lift control, the amount if gas you use all depends on how far you press the gas pedal/high engine rpm.
I gas'd it 3/4 way the pedal, shifted at 5,000 rpm for ONE left turn and used twice as much gas going to school as before. So it's all your right foot man.

My latest tank got 39mpg running mainly 65mph on my 70 mile per day commute.