Did a quick search for a thread on this and didn't find anything specific, but like I said "a quick search."

I am running mobile 1 with a stock toyota filter and just curious how often others running a similar oil/filter combo change their oil? I believe that manual says every 5k but I have always changed oil every 3k. Oh yeah and most of my driving is highway so I do not fall into the "severe driving conditions"

im at 5500 right now and the light came on a bit ago but i checked the oil and its still honey colored and im using a fram filter im gunna change it this weekend

i used to change mine every 5-7k with mobil1 + mobil1 filter.

now i use amsoil + toyota oem filter. filter change (and adding in lost oil from filter change) every 5k. oil change every 20k.

every 5k, mobil1, and toyota oem filter.

i used to change mine every 5-7k with mobil1 + mobil1 filter.

now i use amsoil + toyota oem filter. filter change (and adding in lost oil from filter change) every 5k. oil change every 20k.

wow every 20k! insn't the oil highly contaminated by then?

Toyota recommends an oil change every 5k on all vehicles 2004 and newer. I'm still skeptical of this because i know for a fact that there are several engines that had no significant changes made between the 2003 and 2004 model years that would warrent 2k longer changes. I dunno about going 20k in between changes, but synthetic oil will definately give you less deposits than mineral oil, so 5-7k might not be too risky for a lower milage car. Even if the oil is not contaminated at 20k, it has significantly broken down and does not have the same lubricating properties as fresh motor oil.

well, amsoil guarantees the oil is good for 25k. it's more expensive, but apparently it works. i mean this is the second time ive filled in amsoil for 20k and just did filter changes every 5, and the motor runs great, same mileage. no issues at all.

this is good for me, since ive had this tc for a year and ive put 41k miles on it :]

my old auto tc had a hair less in the same amount of time. but that one used all mobil1 + mobil1 filters.

using amsoil saves me a lot of money, and i bought a box of toyota filters. saved even more money, considering mobil1 filters were over $10/ea.

If it works for you then stick with it. I'm not too picky on how soon i change my oil and filter since i do them for free, so i shoot for every 3-5k with toyota oil and filter.

Mobil 1 and mobil 1 filter.....change every 5,000 miles.

Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand synthetic motor oil doesn't breakdown it just gets contaminated over time.

Is your oil black when you change it out after 20k? And how much do you loose when you just change out the filter?

Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand synthetic motor oil doesn't breakdown it just gets contaminated over time.

Depends on who is defining "breakdown", but for the sake of arguement, yes, you are correct that syn does not breakdown because there are less additives too breakdown, but it does pick up contamination from many sources. Nothing you can do, nor filter you can install, will remove all these contaminants.

Worse than that though, is thickening (no, I dont mean thinning) of the oil.

If you feel like educating yourself about motor oils, here is a great resource:

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/faq.php?faq=haas_articles#faq_motor_oil_basics

be warned though, you will learn more than you EVER wanted to know about motor oil.

so how often do you change your oil Hathenbrewing?

Oh yeah what I ment by breaking down is that it's lubricating properties do not change.

"I wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself." That is hilarious by the way.

I run synthetic oil as well. Castrol Syntec 5w-20 in the summer, and Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 in the winter.

I change it out every 4-5k. Could the oil go longer? - You bet.

I enjoy changing the oil.

so how often do you change your oil Hathenbrewing?

Oh yeah what I ment by breaking down is that it's lubricating properties do not change.

"I wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself." That is hilarious by the way.

Ive been running Pen. Plat. 5w30 ever since I got a UOA done to compare M1 to PP....PPs numbers were much better than M1, so I made the switch. Still running a Toyota filter, but 1 size larger than stock. Overall I am extremely happy with PP...the engine is quieter when caompared to M1, MPGs stayed the same, but it only costs a third of M1.

Now im running Elf 0w30 w/ larger factory filter.

I change my oil every 3 months which ends up being between 3200 - 3600 miles. I enjoy changing my oil too much to stick with a 3 or 4 times per year OCI.

I change mines every 3-4 Thousand miles.... I been spending too much money on royal purple I need to find a better alternative.

Heathen, what do you mean by 1 size larger than stock? The stock filter is a YZZ-F1, the next size larger filter would be a YZZ-D1, which has a larger diameter then the F1. Be cautious running this filter on the 2AZ because they can end up leaking alot as the sealing surface is a different size. I've seen cars come in the dealership with significant oil leaks from having the wrong factory filters put on.

Heathen, what do you mean by 1 size larger than stock? The stock filter is a YZZ-F1, the next size larger filter would be a YZZ-D1, which has a larger diameter then the F1. Be cautious running this filter on the 2AZ because they can end up leaking alot as the sealing surface is a different size. I've seen cars come in the dealership with significant oil leaks from having the wrong factory filters put on.

Sorry...should have been more specific:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/heathenbrewing/filtr.jpg

Toyota 90915-10004 (older part #) or 90915-YZZF1 (most recent # I believe) is slightly longer than the OEM filter while being the same dia.

I do believe that 90915-YZZA2 is what the box comes with from the factory, at least that is what my '06 came with.

The F1 is what should be goin on your car. the 10004 with the red seal is what comes on from the factory, but is replaced with the yzz-f1 afterwards. the yzz-f2 is the same diameter as the f1 but is noticeably short and goes on the older camrys (5s-fe, 3s-fe) and the corollas. The A2 you have pictured there is kind of a rare filter and i think it may have been replaced with a newer part #, but i could be wrong. I don't ever recall putting one on a car actually. But the F1 is what you should be usuing anyhow.

Mobil 1 oil+filter, and i change it every 4k mil...just to be different, Ive thinking about going with royal purple, but ive heard that its expensive..

25,000 with amsoil....77,XXX on my box.....

^^^ Wow that's nuts! Change your oil every 25K? People need to remember that you cannot judge how bad the oil is by just the color of the oil.

Has anyone done an oil analysis of the oil after 25k? I am just curious to see one compared to a 5k analysis etc...

i think i did 22k on my last amsoil change. im at about 21 on my current one.

the color of the oil changes very quickly, so oil life should almost never be based on the color. very misleading.

as for an analysis, i think im gonna get one, just to see the real result of using the oil that long.

hunter, please do and post any findings. i'm very curious to see the results.

yeah, its just a matter of getting unlazy about it. next oil change, and it will be a full change, ill get it analyzed. any idea how much that usually runs?

yeah, its just a matter of getting unlazy about it. next oil change, and it will be a full change, ill get it analyzed. any idea how much that usually runs?20 something bucks through blackstone labs

I used to use Mobil1, not any more. It's still a good oil, but it's a group III and overpriced.
I then went to GC Castrol, and it's too hard to find now, so I switched to Royal Purple 5w20.

I always use a Toyota YZZF1 filter - get them at trdsparks.com in packs of 10.

Change it all every 4500 miles.

Scott

Has anyone done an oil analysis of the oil after 25k? I am just curious to see one compared to a 5k analysis etc...
years ago from Blackstone labs.....at 25,000 it was still better than dino oil at 3,000

I used to use Mobil1, not any more. It's still a good oil, but it's a group III and overpriced.
I then went to GC Castrol, and it's too hard to find now, so I switched to Royal Purple 5w20.

I always use a Toyota YZZF1 filter - get them at trdsparks.com in packs of 10.

Change it all every 4500 miles.

Scott

You might be interested in knowing that you can pickup full syn PP at Pep Boys for $1.99/qt. after rebate.

trdsparks is a grreat, low hassle way to get factory filters.

4500 mi OCI is fantastic!

^^ Heathen: I thought about going to PP but in the end, I had the "need" to try the Purple. So far, I really like the stuff, so we'll see what happens.
I was close, but maybe next change :)

Thanks for the tip. That's where I got the Purple, and I did have the PP in my hands...

As for the 4500 OCI, THAT took a long time to get over! I did a lot of research (and I see you there a lot) on BITOG and decided my 3k OCI was a waste.
I think I made the right decision on that too.

I've got 32k on my tC, so I've only got 3/10 oil filters left...have to place another order soon from sparks.

i use castrol synthetic and i change it every 2500 to 3000 i can leave it longer but eh i dont mind it i might go royal purple soon not sure yet

^^ Heathen: I thought about going to PP but in the end, I had the "need" to try the Purple. So far, I really like the stuff, so we'll see what happens.
I was close, but maybe next change :)

Thanks for the tip. That's where I got the Purple, and I did have the PP in my hands...

As for the 4500 OCI, THAT took a long time to get over! I did a lot of research (and I see you there a lot) on BITOG and decided my 3k OCI was a waste.
I think I made the right decision on that too.

I've got 32k on my tC, so I've only got 3/10 oil filters left...have to place another order soon from sparks.

BITOG....thats why your name looks familiar...i think we have spoke in the past about BITOG. Bottom line is, anyone who spends as much time researching motor oil as I (or maybe even possibly yourself) is a nerd. :rofl:

** adjusts pocket protector **

Glad you know about PP. I recently made the switch to a 0w30 (PITA finding that stuff around here) and all seems fantastic so far. Not a real MPG gain, but it does reduce start-up wear, so Im happy.

I never make it to 5K in 3 months, so I simply change following a time interval myself. Hard to justify $6/qt, hence my following in love with the PP (not to mention those wear numbers!!!).

Na Zdrowie!

Yep, but I got booted from BITOG because I kept getting into arguments with the US-Car crowd that bashes imports...
When I fought back, I was the one that got in trouble, so when one of the mod's emailed me, I called him a chicken-*hit and a hypocrite.
Banished for life! ;)

I was on the GC until it became too hard to find.
RP is everywhere, and I had to try it.

I've always spent a lot on oil/filters so that habit would be nearly impossible to break.

Yep, but I got booted from BITOG because I kept getting into arguments with the US-Car crowd that bashes imports...
When I fought back, I was the one that got in trouble, so when one of the mod's emailed me, I called him a chicken-*hit and a hypocrite.
Banished for life! ;)

Agreed man.

Like all forums, this one especially, one must be able to seperate the wheat from the chaff. I too dislike the Domestic vs. Import clashes that happen in a lot of threads, even when they have nothing to do with the topic.

I have drastically cut back on posting there and now search out information, links, etc.

Amen.
I got all the info I needed, and I still go there once in a while - just can't post :)
I've realized that there IS good data there, but there's a lot of older guys rolling American iron and they have a jaded perspective.
It got to be too much for me.
If you wanna talk s*it, great, just make sure everyone's opinions are OK, not just certain folks.

Anyway...I think we've adjusted our pocket-protectors enough to know a little bit more than the average Joe in regards to oil and filters.

True that!

Hmmm...not being able to post.....sounds like I need to get myself banned from a few forums. My resolution was to drop my sh*t-talkin' on forums by 50%.

True that!

Hmmm...not being able to post.....sounds like I need to get myself banned from a few forums. My resolution was to drop my sh*t-talkin' on forums by 50%.

ROFLMAO!

I've tried, and failed miserably...

OEM oil filter 3.76
Drain plug washer .22
Mobil 1 5W~30 23.96

I cange the oil every 2000~3000 miles
depends on if we take the car on road trips to Reno/Lake tahoe etc etc

You should check your oil everytime you fill up at the gas station
but people are so lazy nowadays thats why we have check engine lights!

Max

yeah I still check my oil almost every fill up. I am at just under 5k for this change and am going to do it in the next few days.

Every 3K for me with mostly city driving. Used to do it with Mobil 1, but I'm using Motul now. I'm gonna give their 0W-30 E-tech a try next.

What do you all think is a good time interval to go between changes? I have a work car, so I don't put a lot of miles on my xB (lucky). In six months I only racked up a little over 4500 miles. The manual says every 5k or 6 months which ever comes first. I don't really feel comfortable going six months between oil changes.

yeah i go with every 5000 using full synthetic, didn't even know a light will come on to telling you to check it out.

What do you all think is a good time interval to go between changes? I have a work car, so I don't put a lot of miles on my xB (lucky). In six months I only racked up a little over 4500 miles. The manual says every 5k or 6 months which ever comes first. I don't really feel comfortable going six months between oil changes.

That can be even worse on oil.
You need to change oil with time as well as acids and other bad things can develop.
I'd not use synthetic if I were you and change it more often using the cheaper, but good dino.

Yeah I was thinking I'd change it every 3-4 months. I still drive it almost every day, just around town though. Pretty sweet cause my car will always have low mileage.

Yeah, just make sure to get it to full operating temp as often as possible.

If you feel like educating yourself about motor oils, here is a great resource:

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/faq.php?faq=haas_articles#faq_motor_oil_basics

be warned though, you will learn more than you EVER wanted to know about motor oil.
I actually read about half of it. Until I got to this part about what the author did to a Ferrari...
I would like to go back to the worry that oil falls off the parts when a car is stored or sees long periods of inactivity. For the first oil change in my 575 Maranello I drained the Shell and put in 0W-30 Mobil 1. This was at 775 miles on the odometer. I drove the car home from work, put it on the lift and drained the transaxle and engine oils. I also opened and drained the oil cooler and took off every line that is in the oil system. I wanted to get every speck of the Shell oil out of there. For optimal results you are not supposed to mix synthetic oils of different brands.

The system takes 12 quarts with a “normal” oil change but took 15 quarts for this change. It all took about an hour. I then started the engine to check for leaks. The multitude of mechanical engine noises that followed nearly broke my eardrums for about 10 long seconds. Then it was suddenly very quiet. You could hear a pin drop. There was certainly the most possible amount of surface oil on all the internal parts as the engine was only off for an hour. But it was not until the oil circuit primed, filled then sent flow into all the parts that any lubrication was occurring. Hence all oil filters that are manufacturer certified have back flow limiters to keep the oil filter full even with the engine off.
I don't know why someone posting so much seemingly knowledgeable information would do this? This seems no different than the moron who drains the oil, then start the engine for a few seconds to get every last drop of the old oil out. That's great that you got it all, but you caused like a year's worth of cold start damage in those few seconds.

If you feel like educating yourself about motor oils, here is a great resource:

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/faq.php?faq=haas_articles#faq_motor_oil_basics

be warned though, you will learn more than you EVER wanted to know about motor oil.
I actually read about half of it. Until I got to this part about what the author did to a Ferrari...
I would like to go back to the worry that oil falls off the parts when a car is stored or sees long periods of inactivity. For the first oil change in my 575 Maranello I drained the Shell and put in 0W-30 Mobil 1. This was at 775 miles on the odometer. I drove the car home from work, put it on the lift and drained the transaxle and engine oils. I also opened and drained the oil cooler and took off every line that is in the oil system. I wanted to get every speck of the Shell oil out of there. For optimal results you are not supposed to mix synthetic oils of different brands.

The system takes 12 quarts with a “normal” oil change but took 15 quarts for this change. It all took about an hour. I then started the engine to check for leaks. The multitude of mechanical engine noises that followed nearly broke my eardrums for about 10 long seconds. Then it was suddenly very quiet. You could hear a pin drop. There was certainly the most possible amount of surface oil on all the internal parts as the engine was only off for an hour. But it was not until the oil circuit primed, filled then sent flow into all the parts that any lubrication was occurring. Hence all oil filters that are manufacturer certified have back flow limiters to keep the oil filter full even with the engine off.
I don't know why someone posting so much seemingly knowledgeable information would do this? This seems no different than the moron who drains the oil, then start the engine for a few seconds to get every last drop of the old oil out. That's great that you got it all, but you caused like a year's worth of cold start damage in those few seconds.

The article is not Ferrari specific. The type of driving conditions described applies to most vehicles (i.e. flow, not pressure = lubrication)

Agreed, I am not a fan of the "get-every-last-drop" type of oil change. I don’t even like to see my red oil light come on in the dash, hence my reasoning for filling (not priming) the filter prior to initial start-up. That said, there are many people who say those few seconds of noise while the oil circulates is not that damaging. Maybe he is one of those types.

I have made the switch to 0w30 and must say my box loves it. The engine is even quieter, it takes only 1 revolution of the starter to turn over the engine now, where as with the 5w30 PP, it was 2. I was told (and we know what that is worth) the engine runs cooler with the 0w, but I want to get a scanguage and use a few control points to see where my engine temp is during my average drive conditions with the 0w, and compare it to the 5w.

I change mine every 3-4k w/mobil 1 or royal purple...

i just put my first oil change of Mobil 1 Synthetic in... 25550k Miles i plan on changing it every 5k miles because of lifetime free oil changes...

So i just take my oil with me to toyota give them the oil wam bam thank you mame and thats all i pay.. But i do rotate and balance every 5k also.