it was a slight PITA as i have a Tsudo catback exhaust which got obscenely in the way. however, once all was said and done, the sway bar was in there on the race setting (inside hole) :) well, i don't have my lowering springs in yet, but i already feel a HUGE difference. there is NOTICEABLY less body roll; i'm sure the TRD springs will further help this issue. so far, i couldn't be happier. the through-the-turn response is excellent.

there's this one big intersection where i always wait for a left-turn green arrow. normally, i can't accelerate spiritedly through the turn b/c the car leans too much, which makes me feel uncomfortable when i have to compensate for the lean coming out of the corner. today i tested the new setup and wow. coming out of the corner feels so much crisper and less taxing now. i really can't even explain how impressed i am. 2 thumbs way up for TRD on this one. :bow:

This is good to hear. I have one sitting in my room waiting to go on. It's too damn cold

This is good to hear. I have one sitting in my room waiting to go on. It's too damn cold

haha i hear ya. it was sitting in my room for two months but since my cars goin in the shop tomorrow for my TT stage 1 kit, i figured i might as well start actually putting some suspension upgrades on the car lol. if you can find a way to install it, do it ASAP. it really is the best thing i've done to my car in terms of overall street performance (at least for the next week until i'm turbo'd :) )

im still debating on getting this for my DD.

im still debating on getting this for my DD.

DD? Daily driver? :question:

yup

there should be no debating lol. while it's very true that i could really care less about a super smooth factory ride, i have not noticed any sacrifice in ride quality. that coupled with the improvements in handling far outweigh any concerns about a daily driver. you will NOT regret it. seriously, it's unbelievable.

I use my Scion as a driver (see DD above) and am defintely going to put one on. It has the most impact on tC handling for a suspension upgrade. The next in order of impact would be springs. Further upgrades really won't be noticeable until your closs to the limit.

At this point unless you are doing autocrosses or high speed road racing, spend your money elsewhere. If you do plan to autocross your tC on weekends; install the TRD front sway bar and start stripping weight out of your TC (Reducing your unsprung weight will have the biggest impact on performance).

Front strut bars do vitually nothing for the TC given the front strut towers are tied into the firewall. Rear strut bar/frames really are only needed if you are autocrossing or road racing.

probably the best mod I have done handling wise other than new tires. The sway reduces ride mostly on uneven bumps, since it removes some independence, but the TRD is about the best balance between ride and performance. Great mod for sure.

I'm still not sure what to get. Hotchkis Front & Rear Sways or the TRD Rear Sway. :question:
engifineer; what setting do you have your sway bar at?

I'm still not sure what to get. Hotchkis Front & Rear Sways or the TRD Rear Sway. :question:
engifineer; what setting do you have your sway bar at?

I'm sure the hotchkis would be stiffer combined than the TRD bar, but it comes down to what you want. it totally changes the car's balance and handling dynamics

if it stopped raining I would put mine on too..........glad to hear it does make a differance in handling...........got it for cheap so either way I was happy...........

the TRD rear sway is gonna be my first mod this spring along with a short throw shifter.
im glad you like your new mod and good luck with the turbo setup

I'm still not sure what to get. Hotchkis Front & Rear Sways or the TRD Rear Sway. :question:
engifineer; what setting do you have your sway bar at?

I'm sure the hotchkis would be stiffer combined than the TRD bar, but it comes down to what you want. it totally changes the car's balance and handling dynamics

Hotchkis will be pretty stiff but I think it is well worth it (stiff enough to where everytime I pull into my driveway my back wheel lifts off of the ground lol)... I also agree that uneven bumps is when it is noticed during the ride but other than I don't think there is that much of a difference in ride quality. Glad you like the TRD rear sway and I am watching your TT thread to see the results! Be sure to have someone record you doing a few pulls in it...

the TRD rear sway is gonna be my first mod this spring along with a short throw shifter.
im glad you like your new mod and good luck with the turbo setup

thanks bro! car goes in the shop tomorrow... can't wait :)

do you use stock endlinks? or does it come with new ones?

I'm still not sure what to get. Hotchkis Front & Rear Sways or the TRD Rear Sway. :question:
engifineer; what setting do you have your sway bar at?

I'm sure the hotchkis would be stiffer combined than the TRD bar, but it comes down to what you want. it totally changes the car's balance and handling dynamics

Hotchkis will be pretty stiff but I think it is well worth it (stiff enough to where everytime I pull into my driveway my back wheel lifts off of the ground lol)... I also agree that uneven bumps is when it is noticed during the ride but other than I don't think there is that much of a difference in ride quality. Glad you like the TRD rear sway and I am watching your TT thread to see the results! Be sure to have someone record you doing a few pulls in it...

yeah i agree that hotchkis would be pretty sweet as well. one more week until i'm turbotoyotified!! i'm so excited it's ridiculous haha. i dunno if you saw my first vid that i posted today of the pre-turbo tC, but my second vid once i get the car back is going to be insane. i'm going to give an in-depth review of the kit as well as some vids of my tC raping.. i mean racing.. a few of my friends' cars including a chipped jetta gli, mazda rx-8, and hopefully a new modified mustang GT.

do you use stock endlinks? or does it come with new ones?

for which? i believe both utilize the stock... i know TRD does for a fact

yeah i agree that hotchkis would be pretty sweet as well. one more week until i'm turbotoyotified!! i'm so excited it's ridiculous haha. i dunno if you saw my first vid that i posted today of the pre-turbo tC, but my second vid once i get the car back is going to be insane. i'm going to give an in-depth review of the kit as well as some vids of my tC raping.. i mean racing.. a few of my friends' cars including a chipped jetta gli, mazda rx-8, and hopefully a new modified mustang GT.

Yeah I would be excited too and while you are at it post some dyno numbers too! I am hoping to be 'turbotoyotified' soon too, stage 2 that is :D I am talking with Todd and my bank right now... so a purchase is in the near future! Once I do, I will be sure to post vids of me vs. my friends Golf GTI (tuned at 18psi), a cobalt SS stage 2, maybe the built mustang GT the guy at my work drives, and maybe one of the boosted scions in the area... good luck!

do you use stock endlinks? or does it come with new ones?

for which? i believe both utilize the stock... i know TRD does for a fact
o ok. because i know that progress comes with its own endlink. just wanted to make sure. thanx.

yeah i agree that hotchkis would be pretty sweet as well. one more week until i'm turbotoyotified!! i'm so excited it's ridiculous haha. i dunno if you saw my first vid that i posted today of the pre-turbo tC, but my second vid once i get the car back is going to be insane. i'm going to give an in-depth review of the kit as well as some vids of my tC raping.. i mean racing.. a few of my friends' cars including a chipped jetta gli, mazda rx-8, and hopefully a new modified mustang GT.

Yeah I would be excited too and while you are at it post some dyno numbers too! I am hoping to be 'turbotoyotified' soon too, stage 2 that is :D I am talking with Todd and my bank right now... so a purchase is in the near future! Once I do, I will be sure to post vids of me vs. my friends Golf GTI (tuned at 18psi), a cobalt SS stage 2, maybe the built mustang GT the guy at my work drives, and maybe one of the boosted scions in the area... good luck!

yeah man the stage 2 is a great kit; spools super fast. i'm so relieved to finally get this thing installed; i was one of Todd's first customers on here back with Mr. Meaty haha.. the kit's been sitting in my room for a while. my target is over 300whp and ability to take out sti's and evos (not heavily modded of course). as for a dyno, i'm not sure when i'll be getting that... most likely the beginning of february at the earliest. good luck to you too bro

do you use stock endlinks? or does it come with new ones?

for which? i believe both utilize the stock... i know TRD does for a fact

the only ones that come with end links are the Progress swaybars... but I haven't heard much about their products so I would go with either hotchkis or TRD and if you feel it is a must get Dezod's endlinks (I am about to shortly as mine look like they could give out at anytime!)

my friend has progress installed on his, and he doesn't really have any complaints, so i'm just tyring to decide between trd and progress. as for hotchkis, i really don't have the time or money to install the fronts.... dropping the subframe is scary to me..

yeah i agree that hotchkis would be pretty sweet as well. one more week until i'm turbotoyotified!! i'm so excited it's ridiculous haha. i dunno if you saw my first vid that i posted today of the pre-turbo tC, but my second vid once i get the car back is going to be insane. i'm going to give an in-depth review of the kit as well as some vids of my tC raping.. i mean racing.. a few of my friends' cars including a chipped jetta gli, mazda rx-8, and hopefully a new modified mustang GT.

Yeah I would be excited too and while you are at it post some dyno numbers too! I am hoping to be 'turbotoyotified' soon too, stage 2 that is :D I am talking with Todd and my bank right now... so a purchase is in the near future! Once I do, I will be sure to post vids of me vs. my friends Golf GTI (tuned at 18psi), a cobalt SS stage 2, maybe the built mustang GT the guy at my work drives, and maybe one of the boosted scions in the area... good luck!

yeah man the stage 2 is a great kit; spools super fast. i'm so relieved to finally get this thing installed; i was one of Todd's first customers on here back with Mr. Meaty haha.. the kit's been sitting in my room for a while. my target is over 300whp and ability to take out sti's and evos (not heavily modded of course). as for a dyno, i'm not sure when i'll be getting that... most likely the beginning of february at the earliest. good luck to you too bro

Thanks man! Yeah from what everyone says on here evos and sti's are not much of a problem with the TT kit. What psi do you plan on running to make that 300whp goal? What size is your exhaust? And yes I saw your video btw, made me laugh at the 'tc's daily exercise part' haha.

my friend has progress installed on his, and he doesn't really have any complaints, so i'm just tyring to decide between trd and progress. as for hotchkis, i really don't have the time or money to install the fronts.... dropping the subframe is scary to me..

You don't have to completely drop it... in the instructions given hotchkis tells you what to do and they don't even say to put any support under the subframe when removing all of the bolts (although I did) all you need it to do is drop enough to get the bolts out to remove the sway and bushings... to me, although I am an automotive technician lol, it was pretty easy (although yes a lift makes things much easier)... I am sure whatever you choose will work out just fine...

do you use stock endlinks? or does it come with new ones?

for which? i believe both utilize the stock... i know TRD does for a fact

the only ones that come with end links are the Progress swaybars... but I haven't heard much about their products so I would go with either hotchkis or TRD...

You've heard a lot about Progress but never noticed, they make the TRD rear sway bar. :wink:

then do they come with endlinks???

Thanks man! Yeah from what everyone says on here evos and sti's are not much of a problem with the TT kit. What psi do you plan on running to make that 300whp goal? What size is your exhaust? And yes I saw your video btw, made me laugh at the 'tc's daily exercise part' haha.

haha all tCs need their training! i'm going to be right around 7.5 psi and my exhaust is 2.5 from the downpipe through the Tsudo.

The TRD rear sway is a nice unit, supposed to be "64% stiffer" when set to the "race" setting. Pretty easy bolt-on affair, but you may have to unbolt the axleback section of the exhaust if the car isn't lifted up on jackstands or ramps.

no need to unbolt the axle back but if you can it will make things easy of course its a lil extra step. In all trd is really easy install and a great mod

no need to unbolt the axle back but if you can it will make things easy of course its a lil extra step. In all trd is really easy install and a great mod

the only reason i didn't have to unbolt my tsudo exhaust was because we had the thing jacked up like barry bonds on roids :P

lol... nice

i to like my trd bar. i have had it in for almost a year now and it is one of my favorite mods.

i to like my trd bar. i have had it in for almost a year now and it is one of my favorite mods.

i've had mine for less than a week and it's one of my fav mods already! :)

i to like my trd bar. i have had it in for almost a year now and it is one of my favorite mods.

i've had mine for less than a week and it's one of my fav mods already! :)

i think the list is

1st place: my stereo system
2nd place: short shifter
3rd place: springs and sway
4th place: intake(for the sweet sound)
then the rest i don't know. lol

ABout to put my TRD Springs/Sway in!

Cant wait!

ABout to put my TRD Springs/Sway in!

Cant wait!

let us know how it goes!

i just installed my swaybar today and it only took about 10 minutes. (i have a lift in my garage). i also ordered the trd springs but i dont know whether i should try that myself or not. i have a spring compressor tool handy and a car lift so it might be alright.
buuut i must say i am in love with the swaybar it makes such a big difference but i cant wait to get my TC lowered. i hate how high it sits now but i dont want it slammed either. hopefully ill have the springs on before school starts back. grr

i know exactly what you mean bigwilly.. i have the TRD springs in my closet and no spring compressor or will to rent one at the moment, so in the closet they'll stay for the next few weeks haha

if you have spring compressor and maybe some air tools you're good to go just make sure somebody is there to help you, but changing spring is a PITA might as well let a shop worry bout it lol and it will save you a lot of free time haha unless you wanna do it DIY is fun too

if you have spring compressor and maybe some air tools you're good to go just make sure somebody is there to help you, but changing spring is a PITA might as well let a shop worry bout it lol and it will save you a lot of free time haha unless you wanna do it DIY is fun too

well, two shops both quoted me $225 for install. my friend's friend worked at a shop and helped install his tein's on a camry, so i might just recruit the two of them for a day and take on the challenge myself... eventually lol

wow I had mine 80bucks before when i had my spring, i must have goten a killer deal. But yeah if its 225 then might as well do it if you can

lol exactly.. if i can find a shop to do it for 80 i'll be all over it

i've had mine on for a year (got it last christmas) and it is wonder, it should have come stock on the car!!

it is wonder, it should have come stock on the car!!

i completely agree with you there. :)

just installed the trd rear sway bar about a week ago and it's sweet! feels great with the Tein S.Tech springs! :bow:

just installed the trd rear sway bar about a week ago and it's sweet! feels great with the Tein S.Tech springs! :bow:

awesome! :)

i love my H&R bar :)
im gonna get the progress bar just for somethin adjustable tho

it is wonder, it should have come stock on the car!!

i completely agree with you there. :)

The average driver would not have liked the ride as much then, which is one reason they probably did not include it stock. Sways reduce suspension independence, which you will notice over uneven bumps. The TRD is not too bad in that area, but still not as soft smooth as stock.

hey jax, you said you had an issue cause you have the tsudo exhaust, care to explain, cause i have the same and wanna install the trd asap

^^ you mean fitment issue with tsudo n1 and trd sway? none at all man, im running them both..

No he is probally talking about installing the rear sway with the Tsudo on the car because of the piping that goes from the muffler to the mid pipe. It seems like it would be in the way and a PITA to get the sway bar around so it can be installed.

oh I see, I had my sway done first. But even with stock you still have to wiggle the bar out and in though.. But taking the exhaust off wouldnt be a hard thing to do, it will makes things easier though its an extra step

I agree. I am about to get one and I am just gonna take off the axle back to install it. Even though it is an extra step, it will make the install easier and it will give me a chance to clean up my exhaust really good.

yea, i also got a TRD sway for my xB. I can feel the difference as well. Great product

No he is probally talking about installing the rear sway with the Tsudo on the car because of the piping that goes from the muffler to the mid pipe. It seems like it would be in the way and a PITA to get the sway bar around so it can be installed.

yeah that's what it was. we could have taken the exhaust off, just didn't want to mess with it. so we kinda brought it upon ourselves haha

Good choice as a first suspension mod. Once you have some TRD springs and shocks you'll be very happy.

thanks guys, just wanted to make sure there wasnt something esp difficult w/ the tsudo, ...i dont mind removing the exhaust as i do it alot anyway since i rotate among three different exhausts

Just installed the TRD rear sway bar today. Took 12 minutes with the stock exhaust. Easiest sway bar I have ever done.

Hows ur car's ride now? Does the road feel more bumpy or less comfortable? I'm curious because i've been thinking about getting the TRD sway bar, but i dont want to sacrifice too much ride comfort for something that i mite not take full advantage of very often.

Hows ur car's ride now? Does the road feel more bumpy or less comfortable? I'm curious because i've been thinking about getting the TRD sway bar, but i dont want to sacrifice too much ride comfort for something that i mite not take full advantage of very often.

i couldn't even tell the difference in terms of ride comfort to be honest

in turns w/ some speed it feels more comfortable since bodyrolls are reduced, makes your car feel stable

Go for it!

You wont regret it!

Thanks for the fast replies! :bow: Perhaps its time to give my car a nice bday present.

Rides flatter and it didnt add any more bumps that werent already there.

Look up McGeorge auto parts on ebay as thats where I bought my car from. $119 shipped and it was shipped fast!

Ya, i saw that auction online and I thought that was a really good price, but it seems to be gone now, *sigh*.

http://www.mcgeorgeparts.com/MC-JJF-EA.aspx

Not on the sale you saw, but still listed on mcgeorge

If you just keep posted he relists stuff within a week on eBay.

Hey guys im thinkin of getting one for my car along with some tein h-techs... what settings do you guys recommend? street or race?

race. i doubt you'll get anything out of street.

street or race will be better than stock, but race will make make you feel huge improvement... once you set it to race you never want to put it on street again

ooo alright, thanks for the quick reply!

I have never had my trd on street :)

If you just keep posted he relists stuff within a week on eBay.

Ya, if i see it online for the same price again, i'll prob ask my parents if i can pick it up. *yes, i do have to get their permission first :P *

cant wait to get mine on :lalala:

You'll love it.

+1 for one of the best and easiest suspension mods going.

Did it by myself in about 45 minutes. Includes raising the rear end, putting it on jackstands, taking both tires off (not necessary, but makes it easier), out with old, in with new, putting wheels on and tightening it all up.

Great thread! Thanks for the useful info.. I'll be picking up one this week for sure! I love to quote this site and tell the dealer how long it takes you all to install the parts, it is amazing how quickly they drop their original price quote :silly:

Seriously Milti... do it yourself.

It is not remotely hard at all. There are instructions available online, or I'd be happy to answer any questions.

It's less difficult than installing a cold air intake. Just about on par with installing a bolt-on rear section exhaust.

6 total bolts to undo, 3 per side. Slide it out. Slide it in. Re-bolt. Done.

Jacking up rear end and taking wheels off helps a lot. Which, in fact, in and of itself is about as difficult as the rest of the install.

just installed mine today which took about half hour, easy to get out and on, took a ride around the block and felt a difference by far one of the best suspension mods you can make