do u think that a scion dealership would trade me even a 04 pt crusier with spoiler touring edition for a stock scion plain just automatic pt only has 2500 miles on it

no

if no y?

guess I should post more on it, your cars trade in value is 13,350- so thats not enough, cause a bone stock stick xB is 14,195 and a auto is 14,995, then you ahve the taxes and title fees

actually on KBB it said my trade in value is 16,000 and the XB i like is 15,100 plus i have already gotten my pt down to only 12,000 i owe if that makes a diff.

kbb told me a 04 pt crusier with spoiler touring edition in excellent would be 13,350 for trade in value. maybe you did private, or retail. or you have options youdidn't list.

i done trade in i have power everything 16 alloy wheels premium speakers let me try KBB again and i will post a link
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ur?kbb.NC;518902;NC033&27315;+t&39;Chrysler;2004%20PT%20Cruiser&1;CR;P2&&&

this time it said 14000

we have different zip codes too, that might be it, but 14000 still doesn't cut it

even though i only owe 12 on it?

so, they take your loan, give you 1-2K towards the scion and you take a new load for 12K. That's how it works.

maybe i would be better off selling it out right if i can and then buyin a scion

Thats what i would do.
Dealers just wont give you what its worth for trade ins.
How are they supposed to make money?

Yeah, I would see what the dealer has to say...But unfortunetly for you- you have dodge's ____ty resale working against you...But the good news is- if you get a scion your resale will be ALOT better...Look up an 04 xB on kbb.com-retail vales are higher than what the dealers originally charged!- good luck!!- you may want to condsider selling your pt private party...

Sell it yourself, you'll get more money for it.