I would like the Goldlines or RSR springs because they seem to offer the most drop.

However, I'm looking for a good drop as well as a firm ride. I don't care much about ride quality.

What can you guys reccomend? Tein springs seem like they do not drop enough for use with 15inch wheels.

I'm running Tanabe DF210's. The drop is really nice...2" in front and 1.8" in rear. :D

How is the handling? Tanabe's are more geared towards comfort,right?

I looked up spring rates for Tanabe DF210's, they are 140 lb/in front, 174 lb/in rear.

RS-R's are 157 lb/in front, 161 lb/in rear.

Both of these seem like nice springs and the Tanabe's drop is nice. I think the Tanabe's are more "comfort" oriented though.

Handling is much better than stock. Ride comfort is really good. With the clean aggressive drop it still maintains a smooth ride quality.

Both Rs-r and Tanabe are top notch companies.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there is too much of a difference in springs rates.

Teins are rated at 150 lb/in front, 180 lb/in rear

Im thinking of getting the tein s-tech springs when spring season is here.

Im thinking of getting the tein s-tech springs when spring season is here.
yup s-techs rock (or so i've heard), got mine in, but not installed yet

<-----------Tein S-Tech

TRD's. . . a lot of really fat people ride in my car and I don't want to rub or bottom out. So far I love my TRD's.

hey pandaist do you ever bottom out with yer tanabe's?

I dont' know if you are changing out the shocks and how much your willing to spend. If you absolutely don't care about ride quality and has the $, I would go with the Tein SS coilovers. I had that on my Civic and my friend had that on his MR2. THose things are absolutely firm and amazing, almost 0 body lean! But rides like a skateboard though. That setup would prob run you around 1G.

If thats too much, I have tein S tech on my stock shock. They offer great improvement over stock, and it is def low enough, I'm scraping almost every ramp already, I don't think you want to go any lower than that. Also, if you want the TRD springs and just get the eibach. They are the same!

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there is too much of a difference in springs rates.

Teins are rated at 150 lb/in front, 180 lb/in rear

Tien H, or S, or both?

I'm also in the market for springs, but don't want a softer ride. I want the same stiffness, if not stiffer.

For those that don't know, the stiffer the string rates are in the rear, the more oversteer you'll get and a more neutral handling car since these cars are set up for heavy understeer.

I've just installed my rear swaybar, and I still could use more oversteer. I'm contimplating installing the rear strut tower along with something along the lines of those Teins. The front to rear ratio and the higher weight rear is attractive to me. Of the numbers given so far, those rears are the heaviest. Although the fr/rr ratio might not be as extreme as the Tanabe's, I don't want too soft for the front either.

Leed,

Those are the rates for S-Tech's. I too noticed the nice stiffness in the rear which looked pretty good.

I am also considering the RS-R springs which have rates of 157 lb/in front, 161 lb/in rear. They seem to offer a nice drop.

S-Tech's don't seem like they lower the car enough but, they are probably more performance oriented than Tanabe DF210's.

hey pandaist do you ever bottom out with yer tanabe's?

I have never bottom out on my xA. I don't think it will happen.

i'm running eibach pro kit and i scrape my kenstyle lip on a lot of driveways and speed bumps. i dont like the way they look cause the eibachs dont drop much but i couldnt imagine going lower than 2" and not losing my front end.

DF210s on 19's and it rides superb!!!

i got the s-tech! ^_^

anyone know what the spring rates are for the eibachs?

tanabe df210's but not installed yet

i got the s-tech! ^_^

:? ok... and... :?

I have Goldlines in mine and they're awesome. The ride is way different than stock, it is less ruff but a lot more stiffer and 2" all around. Seem to me more like 2" front and 1.8" in the back, but that's all good with me. The 25mph exits in the highway that I use to take at about 45-50, now I'm taking them at 60mph. Some people said that these cars have a lot of understeer and they're right, but it's just when taking off at a curv or turning at a light really fast. Now at the highway exits from 0 to 45mph it's all good. From 45 to 50 I feel a bit of understeer. From 50 to 60 it's even and from 60 to 65 (highest i've tried so far) it's all oversteer and it's kind of hard not to lose control over the car so, it's not good. :lol:

I'm using a new kind of spring company - called "stock" haha, just kidding. It is stock for now, but I am thinking about getting Goldlines or Tein's... any suggestions? Its winter now so I will order them now and drop it in the spring. Help me decide.

goldline temporary

tein full coilovers comming soon

somebody explain what coilovers are to me... i have a general idea...

somebody explain what coilovers are to me... i have a general idea...

coilovers - a suspension kit consisting of adjustable perch shocks with springs over them...IE: Tein SS, etc.etc.

www.tein.com

I'm running full TRD. Shocks, struts and springs. I love them. I rode stock for about two weeks before lowering. Ride is slightly stiffer in the straight line, cornerning is much improved. I didn't go lower as Minnesota roads seem "bouncier" and with the impending winter, I didn't want to become a snow plow.

How reputable of a company is Goldline?

Obviously a company like Tanabe and Tein has a much bigger name..

I had Sprint springs installed, nothing bad to say about them, very stiff and I can feel just about everything on the road, but I also have 18's with a very low profile. I love the ride, my wife hates it.

I like Goldlines, but I have installed, tiens, tanabe and eibachs, the tanabe rrequire a spring compressor. Pm for a sweet deal on goldlines. Bill

I thought all springs required a compressor? Why are the Tanabe's different?

thats wierd...i thought you would need the spring compressor to take out the stock springs. but wouldnt any aftermarket lowering springs be shorter than the stock ones so you can just screw the top of the stut without the compressor? maybe the tanabes are longer than the stock springs with less coils/ spring rate?

Tanabe have been the only ones that required a spring compressor, while shorter the loadding is different. A spring compressor is the safe way to pop the factory springs, but placing the strut between to tires works great. :wink: Don't go thinking that I am unsafe, I certainly wouldn't try this on 3\4 truck, but a dozen or so scion spring installs, I just thought I would share. Bill

Has anyone tried the Espelir spring for the ist?

How reputable of a company is Goldline?

Gold-Line Coil Springs are the sweetest ride and provide a great look.

I've only heard good things about Goldline springs from Scion owners. Other car owners say they are poop. Also, I've heard some scion owners bottom out with the Goldlines.

I'm probably going to get a set of TRD springs for my xA.

I have Goldlines in mine and they're awesome. The ride is way different than stock, it is less ruff but a lot more stiffer and 2" all around. Seem to me more like 2" front and 1.8" in the back, but that's all good with me. The 25mph exits in the highway that I use to take at about 45-50, now I'm taking them at 60mph. Some people said that these cars have a lot of understeer and they're right, but it's just when taking off at a curv or turning at a light really fast. Now at the highway exits from 0 to 45mph it's all good. From 45 to 50 I feel a bit of understeer. From 50 to 60 it's even and from 60 to 65 (highest i've tried so far) it's all oversteer and it's kind of hard not to lose control over the car so, it's not good. :lol:

In your profile, you didn't mention any other suspension modifications. Do you perhaps have swaybars that you forgot to add, or any other suspension modes that you forgot to add, and what setting they were set for? All of this will make a difference on the results your are posting.

Also, do you know what your alignment is, or untouched since you bought the car?

These Goldlines sound pretty good. Anybody here find out what the weight are for the springs, front/rear? Curious of the weight difference between front to rear, and how stiff the rear is.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there is too much of a difference in springs rates.

Teins are rated at 150 lb/in front, 180 lb/in rear

Tien H, or S, or both?

I'm also in the market for springs, but don't want a softer ride. I want the same stiffness, if not stiffer.

For those that don't know, the stiffer the string rates are in the rear, the more oversteer you'll get and a more neutral handling car since these cars are set up for heavy understeer.

I've just installed my rear swaybar, and I still could use more oversteer. I'm contimplating installing the rear strut tower along with something along the lines of those Teins. The front to rear ratio and the higher weight rear is attractive to me. Of the numbers given so far, those rears are the heaviest. Although the fr/rr ratio might not be as extreme as the Tanabe's, I don't want too soft for the front either.

Hmmm....

I just read the following regarding Tien S-Techs,
ikonXone : Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Installed Springs: Ride Quality Now? Opinions Wanted:
" tein s-tech: pros- ride smooth, cons- too soft and they bottom out a lot on me "
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33252

I'm begining to think that Tein S-tech is not NOT the way to go for me, and I'd want something like 170 lbs/front 200lbs/rear.... or heavier!

i can finally say that im riding on tanabe springs...and no i didn't need a spring compressor to take the stock springs out. the ride now is amazing, and cornering has improved greatly...im still running on stock struts but i will changed them to trd's later...right now extremley satisfied.

I've only heard good things about Goldline springs from Scion owners. Other car owners say they are poop. Also, I've heard some scion owners bottom out with the Goldlines.

I'm probably going to get a set of TRD springs for my xA.
Did you mean bottom out as suspension travel, or scrape on the driveway? I have done both, but I only bottomed my suspension with over 1000 lbs of cargo, four guys from the 702 crew. I do have to hit my driveway sides way. BIll

ESPELIR or RSR? These companies are reputable I will give these to the community at a deal you can't refuse just so that there is some more testimony about these. Especially on xA.

Rishie

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there is too much of a difference in springs rates.

Teins are rated at 150 lb/in front, 180 lb/in rear

Tien H, or S, or both?

I'm also in the market for springs, but don't want a softer ride. I want the same stiffness, if not stiffer.

For those that don't know, the stiffer the string rates are in the rear, the more oversteer you'll get and a more neutral handling car since these cars are set up for heavy understeer.

I've just installed my rear swaybar, and I still could use more oversteer. I'm contimplating installing the rear strut tower along with something along the lines of those Teins. The front to rear ratio and the higher weight rear is attractive to me. Of the numbers given so far, those rears are the heaviest. Although the fr/rr ratio might not be as extreme as the Tanabe's, I don't want too soft for the front either.

Hmmm....

I just read the following regarding Tien S-Techs,
ikonXone : Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Installed Springs: Ride Quality Now? Opinions Wanted:
" tein s-tech: pros- ride smooth, cons- too soft and they bottom out a lot on me "
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33252

I'm begining to think that Tein S-tech is not NOT the way to go for me, and I'd want something like 170 lbs/front 200lbs/rear.... or heavier!

Just learned from Goldline that their springs for the xA are,
178lb/front 187lb/rear

tempting.. Suprised to hear that people bottom out with these. Front to rear ratio isn't exactly what I'd like though. Only 10lb difference.

I remember reading somewhere what the stock spring rates where. Can't seem to find it now. Search feature here isn't so good.

LeeD, did you look into Tein H-Tech?

LeeD, are you looking for a higher spring rate in the rear? What are your desired front and rear rates approximately?

Rishie

RSR is:

1.8" front
1.6" Rear
157lb front
161 lb rear

HTECH SKL48-BUB00
-1.1" Front
-1.1" Rear
129lb front
179lb rear

STECH SKL48-AUB00
-1.7" front
-1.7" rear
145lb front
179lb rear

Espelir ASD Springs:

1.6" Front
1.7" Rear

xB Spring rates are, xA are not posted on my spec sheet.

180lb front
157lb rear

Rishie

From my experience with suspension systems and coilover setups I would honestly have to say that the Espelir looks like the proper F/R ratio, with it having the highest front spring rate of the alotment.

Keep in mind these specs don't indicate whether they are linear or progressive or both.

I will check the espelirs tomorrow and take some pics for you guys to show what they are.

Ideally, I wish I had something similar like what me and a buddy raced in the Open Track Challenge Race (www.OpenTrackChallenge.com), when we raced his 300ZX TwinTurbo over 7days/7tracks. Before the event, we installed some Ground Control Coil Over shocks with a dual spring setup. These were very nice, and Ground Control would work very closely with you to help you get the right setup. At the time, we only knew of 1 other guy in the nation that had these, and that car was mostly a show cars, so basically we were on our own in trying to find the best setup for the Z. We ballparked, with their help, what would be good for the car. After some track testing before the event, I found that when driving the car, it was to soft, and would make the car sway too much on S-like turns. Specifically, the S turns on the bottom right corner of Buttonwillow Raceway, if any of you know what I'm talking about. Anyways, he was suprised to hear this because the spring rates in the car were already very heavy. We up'd the rates another ~200lbs( I think.. it was like 3 years ago) front and rear. It endend up being great after that.

Anyways, my point to all this was, Ground Control was very helpful, and had a huge selection of springs for us to try out. It's tough to pick a spring rate the first time and it works great for you. The convenience of being able to change that out per your needs and as the car setup changes is very nice. Also, the convenience of having adjustable height per corner was pricesless.. An example of that was when we were testing the car out another time before OTC at Laguna Seca, and found a corner rubbing. We'd fix it on the spot by slightly raising that corner. Can't do stuff like that otherwise. Plus we were able to slam it lower, yet prevent it from bottoming out, than any other Z at the time.

Anyways, I'm just trying to ball park what I might need. Race tires will really make the xA lean even more like crazy, and I think they alone would demand another 100lbs on the springs, or more. I've already been pricing out new 16" SSR wheels with Hoosiers/Kuhmos... We've got another 2 day track event at the end of January that I'm trying to get ready for.. ; )

In the end, I might just have to just suck it up and get a coil over setup. We'll see. Depends on budget.

If you haven't already figured it out, I'm a total track driving hor. Damb this f'n Scion! It wasn't supposed to handle this good or do this good at the track!! This was supposed to just be a daily driver car so I can put more go-fast parts on the Z! Not on the Scion! Damb it!

Well LeeD let me know how much you are willing to spend on coilovers. There are both twin tube and monotube setups. I have a xA that has been run at Button with Zeal coils and seriously raised the brow of our BFG sponsors for that vehicle. They were most impressed.

Let's discuss some budgetting and I'll give you some baseline recs. You can always go back to the GC setup and shocks/struts, just don't know if you'll get the caliber of damper you would require.

Rishie

i've installed 4 different kind of springs in scions and the only time i needed a spring compressor is when i put a stock set back in. i didnt even need em for trds which are long ___ springs. hmm. maybe i'm just on crack.

try B+G suspension, they sponsored me. their springs are a 2" drop front and back and the drop looks great! I like it and the ride/handling is nice, way less bodyroll and a much better ride then stock.

Can someone help me choose the best springs on this site... they have goood prices but i cant decide which would be the best company.. thanks

http://autoaccessorystore.com/home.asp?dir=search_res&cat=7&cat_name=Performance&sub_id=29&sub_name=CoilOver%20/%20Spring

I'm running Tanabe Sustec Pro S-OC type II coilovers.. awesome.. the struts are a bit too weak for my taste, but it makes for an awesome streetable car.

highly recommended! and a snap to install