There is a JDM Trust/Greddy turbo kit with the intercooler kit straight from Japan, for the xB on ebay. Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7936738850

What do you guys think?

looks pretty good!

id' go for it!

the price is awesome w/ an intercooler.

just make sure your motor is ready for it!

I thought there was some reason that the JDM kit would not work on our UDSM boxes. I could of swore that I heard that somewhere, but I'm not sure. :?

mmmmm boooost

Now I wonder where I've seen that exact setup at, minus the little turbo :lol: :lol: :lol:

I thought there was some reason that the JDM kit would not work on our UDSM boxes. I could of swore that I heard that somewhere, but I'm not sure. :?

Thats right they won't. I asked Greddy themselves, and they stated if it was a direct changeover, than th ekit would already have been released to the American market. Reasons Greddy stated are the following (I got this e-mail from Greddy about 4 months ago when i asked them)

Thanks for your interest in GReddy Products
Currently we only offer a turbo kit for the Japanese Spec Toyota BB.
It is
similar to the USA Spec Scion Xb, but the ECU and wiring are different.
We
have adapted our JDM kit to a USA spec car and we are working on
releasing a
revised kit for the USA market later, but currently we do not have a
release
date yet.
Please check back with our website www.greddy.com for updates or
contact an
authorized GReddy Dealer http://www.greddy.com
--
GReddy Performance Products, Inc.
9 Vanderbilt
Irvine, CA 92618
www.greddy.com

hmmmm..........

engine go kablooey......or kapoot.

Well you know its gotta be bogus from the guys description..........he says it is specifically for the SCION XB.........but it is ONLY AVAILABLE IN JAPAN. Why would they have a kit only available in japan for a US market car?

KiL

Not true...if you look at websites that say they sell the JDM Greddy setup...it will say at the bottom that you will need to buy the Greddy E-manage seperately for ECU tuning. The kit + E-manage will be about $2500 and since Greddy has made the kit as a basic setup (under 230whp), I don't see a point in spending that much because your gunna have to upgrade to get great performance.

The Greddy kit DOES NOT COME WITH E-MANAGE...the seller has it in his picture and specifically says that it is included in the kit, hopefully the software is with it or you will be adding another $400 or finding a shop who has done it before, has it, and knows how to tune with it. The car in florida with the Greddy kit is running with the E-manage so if he is legit which is hard to believe for that price...then IT WILL WORK.

The kit will work on our cars because it has an E-Manage. All you have to do is install the kit, and then tune the emanage for the car. Which a properly installed turbo should be dyno tuned anyway. You can CALL GREDDY again Mr. kshymkiw because this kit was ordered directly from Greddy and they themselves(thats correct GREDDY) said it will work as long as the e-manage is tuned on a dyno.

The tune that comes on the e-manage(pre-loaded) will work but not well, so you would have to have the vehicle dyno tuned and the emanage program adjusted to maximize performance. If you have any questions or comments I would love to hear your explanation of why this kit would not work...

hmmm... i love booooost

I'm just providing the Info Greddy (YES GREDDY) sent me in an e-mail about 4 months ago.

Greddy will not sell the E-manage with the kit because it will add another $800 to the pricetag and therefore defeat the purpose of a simple bolt on street kit that needs no modifications and is affordable to the general public. The key factor that most people focus on is price and Greddy truly understands this with their upcoming kit with a price range under the $2500 mark. Other small time makers of turbo kits are making more power but are also charging a lot more so people will be cheap about it and settle for Greddy which they can upgrade over time.


Damn supwitheddie...you trying to get props off my previous post...you don't need to repeat what I sayhttp://www.scionlife.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif. I haven't even talked to Greddy but I know what it takes to get a kit on a Scion.


Showpaojoe has spoken

Hah at least someone knows something before they post on this site. I had to reelaberate what you said for those who "spoke to greddy".

Totally agree man...and thanx...thaz y I rarely post anymore...but this thread had false info/thoughts running all over the place.

Hah at least someone knows something before they post on this site. I had to reelaberate what you said for those who "spoke to greddy".

so lets read what Greddy wrote me.

"We have adapted a JDM kit to a US spec car" They don't sday how but they do say it can be done. I wasn't doubting this way works, because i know it does, someone asked the question if the "kit" which doesn't include an E-manage normally was a direct Bolt on, and in that case it is a No. So don't go around telling me i don't speak to Greddy....i work at a shop and we are a Greddy authorized Dealer.......

I just got off the phone with Greddy, and they told me the following

"We have modified our JDM kit to fit a US spec xB, through a diffrent route. We do recognize purchasing our E-manage will let you run the setup, but it is not the optimal way for the kit to operate. We are lookin to release our modified kit early next Spring."

This was straight from Greddy.

They have had the kit finished for sometime now...just waiting for the carb status is what's holding them back.

But when they say the E-manage is not the optimal way to run the setup...that is total bull. Like every other turbo setup, they'll have some basic blackbox piggy back unit to run it which serves the purpose of being a plug in unit to run everything else in the kit at the basic performance level which most likely is preset to 5psi. E-manage is far superior to what will be included in the kit and will allow for more upgrades and tuning capabilities.

Thank you for taking the time and talking to Greddy but the E-manage takes skill to master...normal buyers might not be able to fully operate it which is why it may not be "optimal."

They have had the kit finished for sometime now...just waiting for the carb status is what's holding them back.

But when they say the E-manage is not the optimal way to run the setup...that is total bull. Like every other turbo setup, they'll have some basic blackbox piggy back unit to run it which serves the purpose of being a plug in unit to run everything else in the kit at the basic performance level which most likely is preset to 5psi. E-manage is far superior to what will be included in the kit and will allow for more upgrades and tuning capabilities.

Thank you for taking the time and talking to Greddy but the E-manage takes skill to master...normal buyers might not be able to fully operate it which is why it may not be "optimal."

I know i have played with the e-manage before, and have helped tune seveal of them. I know it is a good system, but what this has me wandering if Greddy has a newer piggyback/standalone comming out. Maybe they have something application specific that is better than the E-manage.....who knows.....they never said anything about the carb. issues holding them back though. We'll see what goes down though. It is no problem to call Greddy i had to order an E-manage for a customer today so i was already on the phone with them.

Just a conjecture- I think the USDM production kits will come with the "blue-boxes" just like the Honda kits. The blue boxes are basically just like E-Manage, except they cannot be reprogrammed.

I'm curious as to how this kit can get by without larger injectors or larger fuel pump though. EManage can do a little bt, but it cannt get around those basic limitations.

I'm sure that the injectors and fuel pump upgrades will be suggested when you buy the kit. But like others have said, it would drive the price up. The E-manage is a good computer, but I think that showpaojoe hit the nail on the head about why it wouldn't be "optimal."

Back on topic though, that turbo kit is really nice! And for $2100.00 it's a steal! Best of luck in selling it bro. Sorry to hear about your car.

Zach

I'm curious as to how this kit can get by without larger injectors or larger fuel pump though. EManage can do a little bt, but it cannt get around those basic limitations.


E-manage is far superior to what will be included in the kit and will allow for more upgrades and tuning capabilities.


I just answered that question. Upgrades refers to doing the fuel system as well...and when you choose to upgrade the fuel injectors and fuel pump...then you still have the E-manage to fall back on and retune...unlike a black box setup which someone has already mentioned as being un-reprogramable.

And this kit doesn't need them because they made it as an efficient setup as possible...they aren't gunna recommend going past 5psi or so. Shiii, you don't even need a black box to hook up a turbo to your car if your gunna run 4psi so stock engine will handle this _____ output no prob.

Yeh you don't need fuel upgrades to run 5-8psi of boost, the stock fuel system is adequate. As far as the US kit they are putting out soon, you will get the "mini-emanage" as they call it which is a little black box that is pre-tuned for the kit and cannot be reporgrammed. Yes the US kit will be better for those who dont have a dyno or have access to a tuner. If you work at a reputable shop, then I know you guys dont just slap turbo kits on cars without any tuning.

If you have access to a shop or a dyno then this kit will work great because with E-manage you can fine tune the turbo setup now, and if you upgrade your engine internals in the future you can retune the e-manage to justify more boost.(With the US Spec Kit you will have to purchase E-manage to tune engine).

so will this kit be carb legal? i so so so hope it is.

Yeh you don't need fuel upgrades to run 5-8psi of boost, the stock fuel system is adequate. As far as the US kit they are putting out soon, you will get the "mini-emanage" as they call it which is a little black box that is pre-tuned for the kit and cannot be reporgrammed. Yes the US kit will be better for those who dont have a dyno or have access to a tuner. If you work at a reputable shop, then I know you guys dont just slap turbo kits on cars without any tuning.

If you have access to a shop or a dyno then this kit will work great because with E-manage you can fine tune the turbo setup now, and if you upgrade your engine internals in the future you can retune the e-manage to justify more boost.(With the US Spec Kit you will have to purchase E-manage to tune engine).
theres not much more tuning to be done the motor cannot handle much more with stock internals. and aftermarket internals arent readily available yet.

theres not much more tuning to be done the motor cannot handle much more with stock internals. and aftermarket internals arent readily available yet.

I meant that if you upgrade the motor later on you can retune the emanage for more boost. If you had the US kit and you wanted to upgrade you would have to purchase a e-manage or some type of piggy back. The JDM kit comes with the Emanage so when you do upgrade you can just retune the emanage.

So, has anyone here even tried to turbo an xB? I doubt you guys have, all of you are talking from some rumor you've heard. I'd just like to say, that I have a full e-manage system setup in my xB. I also run a completely re fabbed TSI turbo kit, I run 310cc injectors from a 2zz-ge and a 2.5" manifold back w/ magnaflow cat and muffler.

I have first hand experience with the tuning of the xB and boosting the xB. Saying that the motor can take boost without management is false, it will start falling flat with only a couple pounds of boost, it will lean out and stumble. You need management. You can get away with stock injectors, but they're rated around 200cc, which is far from optimal. You need something to increase the duty cycle of the stock injectors, though. E-manage with the injector harness is perfect for this, since it adds to the pulse width instead of forcing the MAF readings to be higher.

Anyhow, have fun boosting and if anyone needs some guidance and really want's some answers to some questions, ask me.

8psi daily, and no internal problems, no detonation, nothing. 10psi on a stock motor is feasable, even.

I'll let you know when I'm running 10lbs... by way of video.

Damn 200cc injectors at 8 pounds, your max duty cycle there. Deffinately 310cc would be good for up to 10 lbs.

When you say a re-fabded TSI kit which kit is that? You runnin a 14b turbo? Or have you gone with something bigger? I have heard of some people also adding a 5th injector, is this true? Do people have to do this without a tuning device like e-manage?

Also how do you compensate for the xB being a Returnless fuel system? I remember boosting Hondas with a returnless fuel system sucked.

It means he bought the TSI kit for the scion but it was garbage to begin with...so he had to re-fab ____ around to get it operating correctly. TSI stands for Turbo Specialties Inc.

Damn J...been awhile man. These cats need some schooling on scion engines and swaps like mad crazy. And I'm one of the few that answers your first question with a yes...but have gone far beyond that.

I got a new toy for you man...save up $3200 and it'll bump you upto 220whp at 6psi.

I too have experience with a turbocharged Scion. You definately need the fuel system reworked if you want to build more than i think it was 3.5psi. My turbo kit is almost the same as Agginmotorsports friend which he didn't have a fuel system upgrade but have it running at 3.5-4psi. It worked but not a lot of power. So fuel management is definately required for higher boost applications. I have ran at 12psi for a couple dyno runs but didn't get the dyno sheet. I have driven my car on 10psi and it felt pretty damn good, but i stick to 7psi because i feel it is all around the best setting.

4 hours left in the auction for anyone who is still interested, I need to ship this kit out, I need a new car...I guarentee it is compatible with the US XB or I will give a full refund. Bid away...