Last Friday night I was coming back from my inlaws in Annapolis when I got a blow out on my xB. It took 10 mins to get the jack from under the drivers seat if it had just been my wife she would have never been able to get it or put the that so called spair on so needless to say I was ____ed off about the jack but I was glad I went with her. I did get it patched. I think the jack needs to be some place elase not under the drivers that's just a very bad spot because if you get a flat like me your may not be safe. Oh make sure you have a flashlight.
Bill

its really not that hard to get at.

Sorry you had a flat. They are never fun. :(

I've had jacks under the seat in many of my cars, I have no problem with that.

I checked out how the tire is changed in the manual right after I bought my xB.
I've had numerous flats with other cars, so I am good at changing tires.

I never have liked donut wheels instead of full size spares, but I do not know
where they would put a full size spare on a xB.

The flashlight recommendation is an excellent one. :wink:
Leave batteries in original packaging until you need them. This keeps them from going bad and leaking into flashlight.

If you are not able to pull very far off of the road, your but is hanging out in traffic while you get the jack out. The inside light is also not very bright for seeing what you are doing.

i agree. Do you really want your ___ sticking out of your back seat while you are trying to get your jack out if you have a pull over on a road with a small shoulder?

Your ___ is not going to be sticking out into traffic if you're changing a flat on the drivers side? Or do you people only get flats on the passanger side? :? :roll:

yup, I'll be happy to pull the jack out and relace it with another sub :) I'll make a place for it back by the spare if needed. I don't need to be on the side of the road laying prone out into traffic trying to dig out a jack.

sorry, some of us just dont have as much common sense as you do.

jk. But, why didnt they just put it in the back with the tire

Your ___ is not going to be sticking out into traffic if you're changing a flat on the drivers side? Or do you people only get flats on the passanger side? :? :roll:

But, when youre changing a tire you can see both ways.. it's a nit, I know and it's not that hard to get out, but since you have to take the rear of the car apart to get to the spare, seems like it'd have been easy for them to put the jack there too.. But, don't get me started on whatever the heck they were doing when they put the spare/rear area together. It's like spegetti [sic] code in a car.

mine wasnt easy to get either...also not easy putting in so I left mine in the storage in the back.

i agree with superjeer- take the jack out from under the seat, get rid of that stupid bracket, and put a sub under there.

just get some fix-a-flat and/or triple-a roadside assistance and you'll be set

just get some fix-a-flat and/or triple-a roadside assistance and you'll be set
Or if you're in good with Benji you could roll on run-flats.

Last Friday night I was coming back from my inlaws in Annapolis when I got a blow out on my xB. It took 10 mins to get the jack from under the drivers seat if it had just been my wife she would have never been able to get it or put the that so called spair on so needless to say I was ____ed off about the jack but I was glad I went with her. I did get it patched. I think the jack needs to be some place elase not under the drivers that's just a very bad spot because if you get a flat like me your may not be safe. Oh make sure you have a flashlight.
Bill Thanks for the feed back I'll take into consideration. Nobody knows when these things like this happen. I have never had a car that the jack is under the seat.

i did not know it was under the seat. huh. oh well thanks for the tip. also, i wish all jacks were like my old BMW. they are the easiest thing to position and use, especially if your car is lowered. there is a lot less strain on your back w/ those. maybe someday. :)

Here is a easy solution. Take the jack out from the seat and place it in the trunk. Walla. That will be $50 please :)

If I'm not mistaken, the bB doesn't even come with a spare. So to fit a spare and jack in an existing design, I think the engineers did a pretty good job.

I had a flat this past weekend (slow leak, damn nail) and had my first experience with the tire changing task. My only concern was when I noticed the scissor jack leaning a little when raising the car :shock:

If I'm not mistaken, the bB doesn't even come with a spare. So to fit a spare and jack in an existing design, I think the engineers did a pretty good job.

I had a flat this past weekend (slow leak, damn nail) and had my first experience with the tire changing task. My only concern was when I noticed the scissor jack leaning a little when raising the car :shock:

the bb has the spare tire well, we cover it up with a plactis insert, carpet, foam trays, lids (and optional carpet trunk mat)

i did not know it was under the seat. huh. oh well thanks for the tip. also, i wish all jacks were like my old BMW. they are the easiest thing to position and use, especially if your car is lowered. there is a lot less strain on your back w/ those. maybe someday. :)Me neither. Good to know. I must have skipped that part of the book.

You learn something new every day, if you are not careful.

cool, i now know where the jack is located. i was looking for that thing...seems like i got to go over the manual again! :roll:

the bb has the spare tire well, we cover it up with a plactis insert, carpet, foam trays, lids (and optional carpet trunk mat)

Right, and you can tell, if you take everything out of the car that the design they have wastes WAY less space. half our trunk space is eaten up by plastic and foam.

If you are not able to pull very far off of the road, your but is hanging out in traffic while you get the jack out. The inside light is also not very bright for seeing what you are doing.

If you slide the seat all the way forward, you could get in the back seat and release the jack without sticking out into traffic.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the bB has a spare. The well in the back isn't deep enough to hold a spare without it sticking up enough to split the available space.

In past vehicles I never ever had a flat. Couple months ago there was a piece of glass in the road and welll, you guessed it...I hit it.
Fortunatley for me, I had removed and tinkerd with the jack a few times before. Taking it out was easy, the first time was not.

Moral of the story....Get a good feel for everything on your car before you have to use it.

Well, how about a 1972 Chevy pickup I used to drive? The crank and tire iron were behind the seat and the jack was wedged in the engine compartment between the firewall, the driver's side inner fender and the brake cylinder. It was as if the jack was the first thing installed and the rest of the truck was built around it.

It was one of those plunger type jacks that you cranked to lengthen. The manual said if you had a flat front tire you should place the jack under the lower A arm. The trouble was, when the tire is flat, there's not enough room between the road and the A arm for the jack. Doh! Fortunately, the time I learned what a joke the jack was, we were on a hard-packed dirt road. We managed to chip a deep enough hole with the lugwrench to put the jack in.

Oh, and then there are the 17 little boys and a monkey you need to get the spare back under the truck bed.

I carry my jack and assorted other tools in my Scion backppack. I have subs under both front seats so that was the logical option for me.

My old Jeep CJ-7 had a jack under the hood near the exhaust manifold. I got hot and covered with mud. Then you washed it off and it rusted. I'll take a jack under the seat any day over that !!!

If I'm not mistaken, the bB doesn't even come with a spare. So to fit a spare and jack in an existing design, I think the engineers did a pretty good job.

I had a flat this past weekend (slow leak, damn nail) and had my first experience with the tire changing task. My only concern was when I noticed the scissor jack leaning a little when raising the car :shock:

I disagree. The engineers did a _lousy_ job. Take a peek under the rear of an xB and see the huge volume of wasted space under the spare tire area. Move the charcoal cannister and revise the rear jack point and you could store a full-size spare under there with no problems! That would open up about 3 additional cubic feet of space in the rear of the xB. The Toyota engineers took the cheapest and quickest way out.

If the jack is leaning, the car was not properly blocked before jacking.

George

The YUGO had the spare in the engine compartment.

FYI.

and subarus had the tire under the hood too.
used to get all dry rotted, when you went to use them they would pop

and subarus had the tire under the hood too.
used to get all dry rotted, when you went to use them they would pop

Never experienced this on my "underhood spare" subaru.

The cool thing about the underhood spare is that some subarus also had a spare tire storage in the rear. In snow country you could carry two spares with your aggressive snow tires mounted and switch if you encountered a sudden storm.

I wanna put a sub under the driver's seat... How difficult is it to remove that bracket that holds the jack? And, can it be unbolted or just cut off?

-THE DON

jeez,peeps,what if they didnt give you a spare and and a jack!

cheaper cars, yea....

just put runflats on it like the vette...
or get AAA

I wanna put a sub under the driver's seat... How difficult is it to remove that bracket that holds the jack? And, can it be unbolted or just cut off?

-THE DON

Don, I have subenclosures under both of my seats. I just carry the jack, a few flares and assorted other tools in my Scion backpack. If you're running a 10 inch sub, you're not going to be able to keep your jack under the front seat.

I wanna put a sub under the driver's seat... How difficult is it to remove that bracket that holds the jack? And, can it be unbolted or just cut off?

-THE DON

the bracket is welded in place (two or three spot welds)
either gut it off, or grind down the welds,,,,
you can bend it back and forth and it will break off....(ghetto way.)

just be sure to paint exposed metal so it can't rust...

I wanna put a sub under the driver's seat... How difficult is it to remove that bracket that holds the jack? And, can it be unbolted or just cut off?

-THE DON

the bracket is welded in place (two or three spot welds)
either gut it off, or grind down the welds,,,,
you can bend it back and forth and it will break off....(ghetto way.)

just be sure to paint exposed metal so it can't rust...

And put some silicone in the holes of the floor so no water can come in.

good call...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I wanna put a sub under the driver's seat... How difficult is it to remove that bracket that holds the jack? And, can it be unbolted or just cut off?

-THE DON

the bracket is welded in place (two or three spot welds)
either gut it off, or grind down the welds,,,,
you can bend it back and forth and it will break off....(ghetto way.)

just be sure to paint exposed metal so it can't rust...

And put some silicone in the holes of the floor so no water can come in.

Damn... It sounds like drama! I might just toss it under my passenger seat. I'm just sick of eating up all of my trunk space. Thanks for the info.

Did you guys custom build, or buy a premade box, or have a shop measure and build it? I wanna toss a 10" under there, and keep it as stealth as possible.

-THE DON

Did you guys custom build, or buy a premade box, or have a shop measure and build it? I wanna toss a 10" under there, and keep it as stealth as possible.

Custom built, both sides. Most peeps can't figure out why I have so much bass for having only one 10 inch sub in the rear.

After all the discussion. I took my jack out this weekend and tried it out.

It was not hard to get out from behind the seat and worked easily. I like that style of jack.

I also bought a pair of wheel chocks from Sears hardware. They are foldable and very small. On sale for $6. I put them in the trunk. Very useful if jacking car up.

Hopefully I'll never have to change a tire on the road in my xB, but now I can do it very quickly if I need too. If you guy want to put the jack in the trunk it will fit without much of a problem and that will free up your underseat space for you.