If youre adding remote start to an xB you will obviously have to bypass the clutch so it will start. The advantage to wiring it this way is that if you ever give someone your keys to take your car for any reason, they still have to push in the clutch to start the car. This is how Ive wired it in my xB.

You will need a Bosch style relay (SPDT) and some extra wire/connectors to wire this to your remote start.

The clutch switch has two wires leading to it and is located near the bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. When the pinswitch is depressed, the two wires create a circuit that sends a signal to the starter to start the car. What you have to do is "fool" the car into thinking that the pedal is down and complete the circuit.

Wiring:
Terminal ----> Where the wire goes
86 ------> constant 12v = battery
85 ------> ground wire from remote start while its engaged. On DEI systems this wire is usually reffered to as the status output wire.
30 ------> one of the two clutch switch wires
87 ------> the other clutch switch wire

Do not cut off the clutch switch, simply tap the wires from 30 and 87 onto them and solder them into place. Now when the remote start is activated it will complete the circuit and start the car. When starting the car with the key you will still have to push in the clutch to start it.

note- I tried just pulsing ground to one side of the switch and it quickly blew a fuse under the hood. this is why I wired it this way.

juts make sure your not in gear

thats why i don't remote start, if i even think somebody went into my car.

there is a new paice that can be put in. you press a button, then start the car.
turn the car off, open the door, exit, close door.
now if the door is opened again the car will not remote start.

that way if your girl goes to get her bag from the car and puts the car in gear (accidentaly of course) the car will not remote start again because the door was opened.

kinda hard to explain, but it works for those who are worried about things like this.

oh, forgot to say
good write up dude...

There is an easier way to bypass clutch.
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.

black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter

From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.

(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)

much easier than a relay

There is an easier way to bypass clutch.
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.

black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter

From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.

(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)

much easier than a relay

I might be wrong but when I was messing around with my car I didnt notice that wire had 12 volts during cranking but like I said- I could be wrong. I did my alarm at midnight and was trying to finish it up as fast as I could.

I did remote starts on my 95 ford ranger 5-speed and my 2002 ford explorer sport trac 5-speed. first I ran the remote starter start wire directly to the starter. next made a shut-down saftey so if the vehicle is in any gear but neutral, the remote start won't work. this eliminates the guessing and I can remote start the vehicle without worries.

How'd you do that Violent B? I want to be able to set up like that before I install a alarm/remote start

There is an easier way to bypass clutch.
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.

black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter

From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.

(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)

much easier than a relay
Secret out, it works really good, I was not telling anyone about it. but that is the way you do it, forget that relay system.

There is an easier way to bypass clutch.
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.

black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter

From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.

(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)

much easier than a relay
Secret out, it works really good, I was not telling anyone about it. but that is the way you do it, forget that relay system.
Works like a charm 8)

Should the procedure b the same for a TC?

There is an easier way to bypass clutch.
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.

black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter

From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.

(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)

much easier than a relay

I would not do this. I dont like the idea of having my starter circuit tied into anything else....

i plan on doing a limit switch on my shifter linkage to prevent starting in any gear but neutral. anyone know of a sensor already in place on the manual transmission?

none....

alright cool. then i'll proceed as planned. if i get a good working prototype together, i may offer them up for sale..

thats why i don't remote start, if i even think somebody went into my car.

there is a new paice that can be put in. you press a button, then start the car.
turn the car off, open the door, exit, close door.
now if the door is opened again the car will not remote start.

that way if your girl goes to get her bag from the car and puts the car in gear (accidentaly of course) the car will not remote start again because the door was opened.

kinda hard to explain, but it works for those who are worried about things like this.

Rather than going through all this trouble to lock things out if a door is opened (can anyone honestly say that they _always_ leave the gearshift in a specific position?), why not just fab up a neutral sensor on the shift linkage?

You have two linkages that both need to be in a specific position for the car to be in neutral. Mount a small magnet on each linkage, put a reed switch near each magnet at their neutral positions, then connect the reed switches in series from a switched 12V source to the coil of a relay with the far end grounded. Put the relay contacts in parallel with the existing clutch switch. With some examination of the action of the linkage you might even be able to figure out how to do this with only one reed switch!

Both reed switches closed = relay closed = engine can start with transmission in neutral and clutch not depressed.

Note that none of this connects electrically with the remote start hardware, so there is no chance of screwing up the remote start stuff.

George

^^ exactly ^^ i like it. i was gonna use limit switches, but reed switches owns my idea..

hell, most of you are over my head, do any of you know where to have this sort of system installed, with option of having the remote start not work unless its in netural ?

hell, most of you are over my head, do any of you know where to have this sort of system installed, with option of having the remote start not work unless its in netural ?

Well, therein lies the rub. Most installers are pretty good at installing such things into the vehicles that they were designed for, but designing a foolproof neutral safety switch adds a lot of labor and liability to the equation. That's why most professional installers will say "no way" if you ask them to do this. Few customers are willing to pay for all the additional time it would take to make things work. Also, installing a safety switch of his own design exposes the installer to direct liability if anything screws up. In a society where there is a tort lawyer hiding behind every bush it doesn't pay to innovate unless you have the deep pockets to hire law dogs of your own.

That leaves the do-it-yourself angle. You can do just about anything yourself if you do a bit of studying and experimenting. That's probably the easiest route if you really want to do this.

George

That leaves the do-it-yourself angle. You can do just about anything yourself if you do a bit of studying and experimenting. That's probably the easiest route if you really want to do this.

George

hence why I created this thread.

Should the procedure b the same for a TC?


tc requires a immobilizer bypass module...555u/556u and a spare key for remote start.
jP

i use the brand called ultra starters for manual vehicles cause they have units desined to work wit standard cars the way they work is fool proof unless a window is open and someone reaches in and puts the car in gear put in over 50 and have not had any problems

I have been watching this thread.
I have an 06 xb that I want to put an Autopage alarm/remote start in.
I live in TX and I would like to be able to remote start and know the inside temp.

After reading through this, I built a neutral switch using a strong small magnet
mounted to the shift linkage and a 1 amp reed switch. The switch is run in
parallel to the clutch bypass switch.

My xb can start in neutral, or when the clutch is pressed in. It will not start in gear without pushing in the clutch.

I have been watching this thread.
I have an 06 xb that I want to put an Autopage alarm/remote start in.
I live in TX and I would like to be able to remote start and know the inside temp.

After reading through this, I built a neutral switch using a strong small magnet
mounted to the shift linkage and a 1 amp reed switch. The switch is run in
parallel to the clutch bypass switch.

My xb can start in neutral, or when the clutch is pressed in. It will not start in gear without pushing in the clutch.

This sounds like the best method yet. How about a source for the switch and a picture of how you installed it?

Did you mesure the current through the neutral switch to make sure that the reed switch is within its specs?

The neutral switch is the cleanest way to go, since it is as close to foolproof as you can get.

George

I don't have pictures yet.
One thing, though.
I have the short shift, so I am not sure if I have more, or less clearance for this mod.

At first I used an alarm type reed switch, Too much juice, stuck it closed shut first pass.

In Dallas, we have a place called Tanner Electronics.
I found a glass tube 1amp reed switch, bout 1 inch long.
Looked something like this:

http://www.standexelectronics.com/gr100.htm

I also found a package of high powered magnets, bout maybe .25 inches in diameter
pill shaped little deals.

I made an L shaped bracket to hold the tube shaped reed switch vertically over
the right hand shift linkage. Since the leads came out of the ends, I had to cut the
lead short and solder the wire to it. Passing the end of the reed switch over the magnet worked perfectly. At first sight you would think only the center of the
tube would matter.

The magnet was adjusted along the shift linkage under the reed switch
when in neutral. It held itself in place for testing. Then I used silicone.
I also used heat shrink to cover the end of the reed switch and keep
connections from showing.

I ran both connections for the reed switch to the 2 clutch switch wires.

It works great, just as I said.

A couple of notes:

Yes it seems weird that you could pass a magnet over the END of the
tube, but it works great.

I have a surprising amount of clearance between the reed and magnet,
maybe like 3/4 inch.

The shift rod moves maybe 2 inches back and forth, plenty of throw for this to work.

This is a product that might come in handy and make life alot easyier Automotive Fuse Tap Adapters found at
http://www.crowbarelectricalparts.com/Fuses_and_Fuseholders.htm
I know cuttng and splicing can be scary this makes it alot better
Bruce C.

I don't have pictures yet.
One thing, though.
I have the short shift, so I am not sure if I have more, or less clearance for this mod.

At first I used an alarm type reed switch, Too much juice, stuck it closed shut first pass.

In Dallas, we have a place called Tanner Electronics.
I found a glass tube 1amp reed switch, bout 1 inch long.
Looked something like this:

http://www.standexelectronics.com/gr100.htm

I also found a package of high powered magnets, bout maybe .25 inches in diameter
pill shaped little deals.

I made an L shaped bracket to hold the tube shaped reed switch vertically over
the right hand shift linkage. Since the leads came out of the ends, I had to cut the
lead short and solder the wire to it. Passing the end of the reed switch over the magnet worked perfectly. At first sight you would think only the center of the
tube would matter.

The magnet was adjusted along the shift linkage under the reed switch
when in neutral. It held itself in place for testing. Then I used silicone.
I also used heat shrink to cover the end of the reed switch and keep
connections from showing.

I ran both connections for the reed switch to the 2 clutch switch wires.

It works great, just as I said.

A couple of notes:

Yes it seems weird that you could pass a magnet over the END of the
tube, but it works great.

I have a surprising amount of clearance between the reed and magnet,
maybe like 3/4 inch.

The shift rod moves maybe 2 inches back and forth, plenty of throw for this to work.

if you could take one pic i would marry you, or maybe just really be grateful.

If youre adding remote start to an xB you will obviously have to bypass the clutch so it will start. The advantage to wiring it this way is that if you ever give someone your keys to take your car for any reason, they still have to push in the clutch to start the car. This is how Ive wired it in my xB.

You will need a Bosch style relay (SPDT) and some extra wire/connectors to wire this to your remote start.

The clutch switch has two wires leading to it and is located near the bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. When the pinswitch is depressed, the two wires create a circuit that sends a signal to the starter to start the car. What you have to do is "fool" the car into thinking that the pedal is down and complete the circuit.

Wiring:
Terminal ----> Where the wire goes
86 ------> constant 12v = battery
85 ------> ground wire from remote start while its engaged. On DEI systems this wire is usually reffered to as the status output wire.
30 ------> one of the two clutch switch wires
87 ------> the other clutch switch wire

Do not cut off the clutch switch, simply tap the wires from 30 and 87 onto them and solder them into place. Now when the remote start is activated it will complete the circuit and start the car. When starting the car with the key you will still have to push in the clutch to start it.

note- I tried just pulsing ground to one side of the switch and it quickly blew a fuse under the hood. this is why I wired it this way.


If you are looking to remote start a manual trans car the right way, with out some ghetto fabulous nuetral saftey switch do the following

1-buy a DEI remotestart and then
2-buy a Peripheral Electronics NSS
3-follow DEI, Peripheral and BrianXB's instruction

Or
1-go to your local Compustar dealer and tell them you want them to install a really good alarm that will remote start your manual out of the box (still requires BrianXB's instructions)

Just get a momentary push button from radio shack and hot glue it directly underneath the shifter when in neutral. Just make sure the button is pushed down when in neutral. Then wire the switch in series with the parking brake alarm wire.
The alarm will only remote start when the car is in neutral. If left in gear the alarm thinks that the brake is not set, so the car will not start.
Has worked great so far.