I just bought a Turbotechniques T3/T4 turbo for my xB. all of the fab will be done for a custom fit. Hp levels will meet well into the mid 300's approx. 350whp. I'll post pics as soon as I take some. Oh all of the internals will be replaced, as well as a 200-shot NOS system + purge. An AEM ECU swap. the turbo will feature a Blitz dual-drive blow off valve for that psst we all love to hear. You can see me at the next HIN show on the East Coast. Holla back ya'll

Even with the replaced internals, I dont think the block will hand the kind of pressure for 350whp...good luck with it though..

That's not gonna happen, but good luck trying bro :?

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exactly. maybe 225 or so. this block can only handle so much ya know? then think about those toothpicks we call halfshafts

Awesome idea...Get some pics and more importantly...VIDEO...

or I will hunt you down and hurt you ...

ill believe it when i see it. dyno video and sheets to prove it. :roll:

my guess is 210-220 hp at most on this block.

Oh, I GOTTA see this!!!

So you are planning on getting 350 WHP, then adding the 200 shot of NOS to that!? What's it gonna be set to run 45 PSI?
Hope you re-inforce the firewall because those tiny bits of metal shrapnal are gonna hurt!

How about you save the heartache and put in a Bazooka bass tube nitrous look a like bottle, one of those APC blow off valve sound replicators, and some really big stickers. Make sure you paint the valve cover red too, and add a blitz oil cap.

What it is just be easier to build a complete from scratch tube frame chassis, with a chevy 350 and relocated firewall and lower the box body back down onto it. That's about the only way you are getting those kind of number.

Oh, I GOTTA see this!!!


What it is just be easier to build a complete from scratch tube frame chassis, with a chevy 350 and relocated firewall and lower the box body back down onto it. That's about the only way you are getting those kind of number.

I was thinking of doing that to the box. That would be insane!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Get ready to put the box back in the box...6ft under!!!

gotta have type R stickers too.

gotta have type R stickers too.

2muchhp

He's probably just fukin around especially with the 200NOS part, but 300whp I can see easily accomplished on the stock engine. I've calculated it before and it's roughly gunna take about $8k to hit the 300whp mark. Stroker kit and turbo put you around 220whp at 7psi, then you go with some crazy forged internals, a nice standalone, and some major fuel upgrades and tuning and that block will be able to hold atleast 18psi and that puts you just right over 300whp.

Easily accomplished? Harldly. If it was so easy, it would of been done 15 times already. $8 is nothing. Look how many people have way more than that into their audio/video system. How many runs do your calculations show it would hold together for before the track officials shut down to mop up the oil and itsy bitsy metal parts? Hell no. It ain't happening. And it sure as hell ain't happening for $8K. Who makes that one off forged stroker crank? If the motor could make the power, how is traction applied? Once traction is under control what kind of trans, axles, etc are holding up to 300% more power than they were designed to work with. Not saying it could never ever be done. But it would take closer to $80 than $8K to do it. Cheaper to build a real tube frame and use a whole different motor and tranny combination.

It's gonna blow up....or melt. But good luck trying :) It takes a lot of boost to get 350whp out of an engine with twice as much displacement and a higher redline (IE, the H22 or B18). My car is making 240whp with 10psi on a 1.8L engine...you would have to run like 40psi to get that much power...don't think the manifold, head, or anything is going to be able to handle it. If you accomplish it, mega props to you...I just don't think it's possible without some sort of engine swap first.

But it would take closer to $80 than $8K to do it. Cheaper to build a real tube frame and use a whole different motor and tranny combination.

Or to buy a different base to work from...you know...something with "potential"

As touched on above, to make this whole thing work you would need:
- stronger axles
- stronger clutch
- upgraded and stronger transmission
- sleeved block
- lower compression, forged pistons
- forged rods
- probably an upgraded or at least perfectly balanced crank
- upgraded cams (probably have to have them custom ground)
- upgraded valves
- upgraded valve springs
- upgraded retainers
- upgraded intake manifold (probably custom)
- 3" turbo back exhaust (at least)
- probably 550cc or higher injectors
- some sort of fuel management system that is tuneable
- upgraded fuel pump
- upgraded fuel lines (stock ones probably won't hold the pressure you'll need to run)
- FMIC obviously
- all other turbo components (BOV, wastegate, piping, etc.)
- a good set of tires
- probably some sort of LSD setup so you have some traction
- ignition system
- extensive amounts of tuning and retuning

I'm not saying it's impossible, but a lot of that stuff hasn't even been made before for any Scion, so you wouldn't be able to buy that stuff from any website or store...you'd have to make it all yourself or have someone else make it. It's gonna be hard to make your own transmission (if you don't you'll probably destroy your gearbox), axles (these will break in a heartbeat the first time you launch it), and all of the other technical stuff you need. Again, if you do it I am sure you will be the talk of the Scion enthusiast community...I just am saying you have one hell of a mountain to climb before you get there.

As touched on above, to make this whole thing work you would need:
- stronger axles
- stronger clutch
- upgraded and stronger transmission
- sleeved block
- lower compression, forged pistons
- forged rods
- probably an upgraded or at least perfectly balanced crank
- upgraded cams (probably have to have them custom ground)
- upgraded valves
- upgraded valve springs
- upgraded retainers
- upgraded intake manifold (probably custom)
- 3" turbo back exhaust (at least)
- probably 550cc or higher injectors
- some sort of fuel management system that is tuneable
- upgraded fuel pump
- upgraded fuel lines (stock ones probably won't hold the pressure you'll need to run)
- FMIC obviously
- all other turbo components (BOV, wastegate, piping, etc.)
- a good set of tires
- probably some sort of LSD setup so you have some traction
- ignition system
- extensive amounts of tuning and retuning

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Dont forget girdled mains and a good scattershield.

Oh, and you're gonna need a clutch and gearbox to transmit that power.

And cooling, lots of cooling.

may want to dry-sump it as well.

Why not just rop a HEMI in then back seat? Prob'ly cost less.

LOL...didn't even read about the theoretical 200+ shot of nitrous. WOW o_O

I have some products that may suit you a little better:

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There...I just saved you $60,000. Afterall, it seems as though you're just in it for the "sound we all love" and the ability to spray white mist into the air.

You might want to start calling AEM now and trying to beg them to make a unit that is applicable for a Scion. Otherwise have fun trying to make that work, I hope you are an electrical engineer whose speciality is engine harnesses.

But in other thoughts, I am SURE it will just plug right in.

i dont care if this guy replaces all the internals and actually does get 350whp outta it....the tranny wont take it period.....and then there is the axles, can you say snap....the motor mounts...snap snap snap....its an econobox.....get real

florida guys do build some fast cars... I highly doubt that he can build it but i hope he proves me wrong... it'll give us some hope...

if they have 1.6 liters making 375 whp... i don't see why they can't make 1.5's do 300 whp... it'll just take some cash and lots of know how...

That's about as ignorant as saying Mr. Olympia weighs about 300 lbs and can bench press about 500 lbs, so your fat ___ cousin that works at burger world should be able to put up about the same amount.

350 whp is kinda sketchy to me but hopefully he proves use wrong. Good Luck my man!!

Damn, i dont see why there is so much negative feedback to this guy's aspirations. I mean... "to each his own" right? Thats what most people say when purchasing this type of car anyway. Besides if there werent enthusiastic people like him then you wouldnt see a cooper with a m3 engine, or an AE86 (Corolla GTS) with a S2000 engine or a Miata with a rotary engine. Just take a look at Jotech's 500+hp tC. There shouldnt be so much negative feedback on a forum for Scion enthusiasts. Just my two cents. Anyway, good luck with that plan of yours... gives me hope for my own

Yeah, except for he plans to do it on the 1NZ-FE, on seemingly the stock transmission and everything else, which just is not possible. I think he's getting in over his head and is figuring he'll just "slap on a turbo" and "run the nitrous" and everything else will fall in place. This is nothing against crushing someone's hopes or dreams...this is realism chiming in here. From his post in this thread it just doesn't seem like he has any sort of clue as to the extent of work and fabrication that this is going to take. This isn't just about making a manifold and bolting the turbo on. There are SO many other systems that have to be upgraded...most of which haven't even been made yet (like I said...he's almost going to have to make his own upgraded transmission, axles, etc.). Now if he manages to somehow work in the old turbo MR2 engine as a swap, maybe this all would be possible. But working with the 1NZ this is just not going to happen.

And he thinks it'll all be done by the summer? :roll:

BOOM! heheh 220whp on stroker turbo, thats the goal for my box....cant wait to start, spare motor ready....manifold on the way.....should be fun but the concern even with 220 is first gonna ba cv's then axels , then tranny.......and im pretty sure there isnt anthing that bolts up to our motor :(

brent

A t3/t4 spool is far too large for this vehicle. Anyhow, have fun trying... I've been down this road before. I have yet to break an axle, or driveline part but my engine mounts hate me.

Again, have fun... but be realistic. You are not going to run a 200 shot. With a well built engine, a 20 shot would probably be good for intercooling effects alone but anything more than that in conjunction with a turbo would be asking for it.

I never said how to make the car handle 300whp...I just said it's very easy to make 300whp which will run around $8k. All that other shiznit *sorry joe, xboxPS2* is obviously not gunna hold up but the power will be there when he has enough for all the other parts to support that power.

Hope you have a lot of money, time, and patience. Best of luck as it won't be easy. Post updates if you can.

Damn, i dont see why there is so much negative feedback to this guy's aspirations. I mean... "to each his own" right? Thats what most people say when purchasing this type of car anyway. Besides if there werent enthusiastic people like him then you wouldnt see a cooper with a m3 engine, or an AE86 (Corolla GTS) with a S2000 engine or a Miata with a rotary engine. Just take a look at Jotech's 500+hp tC. There shouldnt be so much negative feedback on a forum for Scion enthusiasts. Just my two cents. Anyway, good luck with that plan of yours... gives me hope for my own
man i would slap the ____ out of anyone who would bastardize a ae86 with a disgraceful s2k motor. i've seen em with 7mge , 7mgte , 1jz and there was one i saw where the guy was planning a 2jz. i hate whwn people mix brand like that i mean it's one thing if u use a small block or big block chevy in somethin but damn.

why's everyone taking this post so seriously? i think his not responding to his own post by now says something about if the post is true or not. specifically, uh, not.

Of course...so the new topic is switching brand engines in another car.

Last night at a meet there was a sick ___ old school bug with a porsche engine...HOLY CRAP, that thing took off and chirped in every gear switch until 4th gear...I mean FAWK...4 big churps and it was soooooo damn inspirational.

I know this guy it seems wierd to me a couple of months ago he wanted to sell his box but now hes got a turbo hmmmm

well my buddy has a FULLY build jdm supra, and he is runnin close to 400 hp at the wheels on 12 psi (or somewheres about there) and his car is FAST as ISH!....but bro, wish u luck...gonna be a tuff job...id like to see it when done....since we live in the same town and stuff...i see u around all the time...u r in fleming island right?

400 hp in a supra is cake walk =P now at least 800whp is FASSSTTTT. my boys is 1100 on race gas 900+ on pump...wwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on a mk4 single turbo you can get up to 1200 on stock internals. it will cost you 10-12,000 dollars for just the turbo kit tho. it's a complete kit tho.

yes that high horsepower figures been done and only boostin that on the dyno..my boys car does that daily at that boost =) yay lol yeah that things fun but gas in it sucks...oh well lol..actually u do have to upgrade pistons at least on the 2j...theres only been one mkiv that i know of thats done 800whp w/o upgraded pistons and perfectly driveable daily w/ no problems.its the trd widebodied silver mkiv from kyosho out in city of industry

yeah well after the 1000hp kits i believe the kits include pistons. i need to find that page again. but yeah supra's are dyno queens. over 720 hp they're too much for street.

u said no internals lol..anyhow, it depends really...my friends car is perfectly driveable..just mind blowing fast he use to daily it then his dumbass got a ae86 n is in love w/ that..now his 55 yr old dads whipping the supra around pickin on kids w/ m3's n what not lol

well they say no internals in the kits. i'm guessin they are referring to rods and crank. nothin wrong with an ae. best drift car. at least the best for beginners and the second best next to a sileighty.

one the aluminum engine is most likely not goign to be able to handle the psi needed for these engine to even try to get to 300 +whp b/c that would mean the engine would be doing approximately 350 hp itself.. and if it does handle it that 200 shot will definitely kill it..

and 2... what are you going to do about a tranny these tranny most likely wont handle that much plus wont get the use of all that power if did b/c doing 80 you hit 4K rpms.. at 120 you are about 6k rpms in 5th gear so you are pretty much tapped out there..

but hey who wouldnt like a 3000 lb lawn ornament.. thats what i would do with it when the engine is blown up or maybe a cool down hill soap box racer..

3000 lbs? wow thats would blow. but um yeah. i wonder how much a stock tranny could handle given an upgraded clutch? 175hp , 200?

You never know till you try. I bet it will work and be the fastest scion around. I've seen a geo metro with stock internals with a t3 turbo and thats a 3 cylinder. It can be done. I have faith. I have a turbocharged xb. If you have success with this kit i will definately look into purchasing a turbo system like yours. GOOD LUCK!

I bet it will work

No, it won't. At least not with upgrading everything we've already discussed. The engine would blow up, the transmission would melt, the axles would snap, etc...NOTHING on that car was engineered to tolerate the strains that having a ton of horsepower would put on all of the car's systems. It was built to be a cheap and reliable SLOW daily driven economy car...I doubt if anything on the car was manufactured to have over 120hp. If you can't look at an xA or xB and realize all of the little things they left out to make the price cheaper, then you need to seriously take a look at your car again. If they left out the gas cap holder on the gas tank door, what makes you think they put in a transmission able to withstand almost 500hp?

well u know in general most toyotas are built to hold almost twice as much some are built a lil less tough and some are built alot more . i'd say the car should probably be able to hold double. but ____ think about that 200 hp in a 2400 lb car? not bad. i know on my old supra 87 ( i know different breed of animal) almost everything on that car could handle 500 hp and it came stock with 200 or 230 hp so.....

well u know in general most toyotas are built to hold almost twice as much some are built a lil less tough and some are built alot more . i'd say the car should probably be able to hold double. but ____ think about that 200 hp in a 2400 lb car? not bad. i know on my old supra 87 ( i know different breed of animal) almost everything on that car could handle 500 hp and it came stock with 200 or 230 hp so.....

Guess what it isn't a Supra.....ok........lets get that straight here, and a Scion isn't just a different animal it’s like a little Chijuaja compared to a Cougar. The reason the Supras were so overbuilt is because it was Toyota's first real flagship sports car and they went overboard on it. At its peak, MKIV Supras were going for around $50K for the 98 models new. A Scion is $13K, so are you are telling me that you honestly believe Toyota put the same engineering into the Scion as their flagship sportscar...wow.

If Toyota over-engineered every car like they did the Supra they wouldn't be a business.....bottom line… because it is not cost efficient. Hence the astronomical prices of the Supra listed above. I can't believe some of you actually think the Scion was built to be A) modded at that level, B) built to handle mods to the level a Supra can.

It’s the same engine/drivetrain as an Echo.........an Echo.........not a Supra........I don't think an echo comes with a Getrag tranny or forged internals, nor a stock fuel system that can handle 550RWHP (like the Supra does).

Also the gearing is going to have to be completely redone to even attempt to get any use out of that additional power. The xB runs at 4000rpms at 80mph…You’re going to run out of gear very soon after that. You would have to completely re-engineer the gear ratios to be able to do anything with that extra power or you’ll just be sitting at 120mph and at redline with nowhere else to go. Lastly, as mentioned above, that turbo wouldn’t ever spool on this motor effectively as a result of the lack of air the motor can flow.

I am sorry guys but come on….just trying to be the voice of reason here.

Oh, and I know that the Scion would scoot with 200hp...I am not doubting that at all. I mean, my Integra weighs around 2600 and has 240whp, and it's decently quick. I'm also not trying to get anyone to stop chasing their dreams here, and I hope one day that the xA/xB can be like the Civic (only with a better reputation hopefully)...but until there is some sort of aftermarket support for it, it's a tough hill to climb. I just think this guy, if he is serious, is biting off more than he can chew...this is no 3 month project. My friend has been working on his 2G for a year and a half and it's not done yet...but he's basically modified everything (same process this guy would have to go through). If he ends up doing it, 100000 plus points for him. I just don't see how it is possible at all considering the amount of systems that would have to be upgraded or replaced with completely custom parts (the ECU for example)

what i'm saying is that throught time toyota's bodies , trans and the like have been better built in comparison to honda. and i dont need the box to go alot faster top gear as compared to going fast from point to point

Having 350whp low end (smaller turbo) is going to cause an xB to just spin its wheels or break the axles. Having 350whp top end (larger turbo) is going to be pointless because it will be NA for 75% of the powerband since it would take that long to achieve full boost.
And I don't know of any Toyota that has gone 300,000 miles on the original engine, but know of a few Civics that have. Anyway, I'm not trying to argue. I honestly don't have any objection to people trying to get their cars to be faster or nicer. I just personally believe that there are much better platforms to start from that require much less work to achieve the power gains you are looking to get.

well they say no internals in the kits. i'm guessin they are referring to rods and crank. nothin wrong with an ae. best drift car. at least the best for beginners and the second best next to a sileighty.


yeah i totally agree but its like u have amean ___ supra...then u go to a ae86...i mean for a daily driver its coo, but cmon now...... lol

Having 350whp low end (smaller turbo) is going to cause an xB to just spin its wheels or break the axles. Having 350whp top end (larger turbo) is going to be pointless because it will be NA for 75% of the powerband since it would take that long to achieve full boost.
And I don't know of any Toyota that has gone 300,000 miles on the original engine, but know of a few Civics that have. Anyway, I'm not trying to argue. I honestly don't have any objection to people trying to get their cars to be faster or nicer. I just personally believe that there are much better platforms to start from that require much less work to achieve the power gains you are looking to get.


toyotas go a long way my friend..not starting an arguement w/ u, but 22re's can take a pounding my old neighors toyota truck is part of toyotas 400,000 mile club =) woo man that thing still runs nice...ask dave multon he has a toyota truck also, that thing REFUSES to die lol

well u know in general most toyotas are built to hold almost twice as much some are built a lil less tough and some are built alot more . i'd say the car should probably be able to hold double. but ____ think about that 200 hp in a 2400 lb car? not bad. i know on my old supra 87 ( i know different breed of animal) almost everything on that car could handle 500 hp and it came stock with 200 or 230 hp so.....

Guess what it isn't a Supra.....ok........lets get that straight here, and a Scion isn't just a different animal it’s like a little Chijuaja compared to a Cougar. The reason the Supras were so overbuilt is because it was Toyota's first real flagship sports car and they went overboard on it. At its peak, MKIV Supras were going for around $50K for the 98 models new. A Scion is $13K, so are you are telling me that you honestly believe Toyota put the same engineering into the Scion as their flagship sportscar...wow.

If Toyota over-engineered every car like they did the Supra they wouldn't be a business.....bottom line… because it is not cost efficient. Hence the astronomical prices of the Supra listed above. I can't believe some of you actually think the Scion was built to be A) modded at that level, B) built to handle mods to the level a Supra can.

It’s the same engine/drivetrain as an Echo.........an Echo.........not a Supra........I don't think an echo comes with a Getrag tranny or forged internals, nor a stock fuel system that can handle 550RWHP (like the Supra does).

Also the gearing is going to have to be completely redone to even attempt to get any use out of that additional power. The xB runs at 4000rpms at 80mph…You’re going to run out of gear very soon after that. You would have to completely re-engineer the gear ratios to be able to do anything with that extra power or you’ll just be sitting at 120mph and at redline with nowhere else to go. Lastly, as mentioned above, that turbo wouldn’t ever spool on this motor effectively as a result of the lack of air the motor can flow.

I am sorry guys but come on….just trying to be the voice of reason here.

Oh, and I know that the Scion would scoot with 200hp...I am not doubting that at all. I mean, my Integra weighs around 2600 and has 240whp, and it's decently quick. I'm also not trying to get anyone to stop chasing their dreams here, and I hope one day that the xA/xB can be like the Civic (only with a better reputation hopefully)...but until there is some sort of aftermarket support for it, it's a tough hill to climb. I just think this guy, if he is serious, is biting off more than he can chew...this is no 3 month project. My friend has been working on his 2G for a year and a half and it's not done yet...but he's basically modified everything (same process this guy would have to go through). If he ends up doing it, 100000 plus points for him. I just don't see how it is possible at all considering the amount of systems that would have to be upgraded or replaced with completely custom parts (the ECU for example)


i agree w/ u on all this..all i say is let the guy try..honestly that much power and money into a xB for speed to me is a waste, if u want to go fast i totally agree w/ u on that of gettin a car that was designed for it. the xB is one of the last cars on my list that should be flying. If he wants to do it let him. I know on a stock aluminum bottom end the car cant put that much reliable power down. again i said reliable. a couple of the owners from NC.org have turbo setups pushing 250whp on stock internals and its doing okay so far. a couple of people hit hte 280whp mark and the tranny pops. 280whp mark is w/ internals upgraded. 1 or 2 people have 300+ w/ built everything and full standalone and a very expensive fuel delivery setup. yeah its a grip of money but if this guy wants to try let him. if he fails thats all on him he succeeds good for him. let the guy do what he wants. as for me if i wanted to go fast, id go get my sc300 back w/ my 2jzgte =) yay lol. OT my friends sc300 w/ like 900whp flies hell of a lot smoother than a supra w/ the same power. now THAT is a car to build =)

400 hp in a supra is cake walk =P now at least 800whp is FASSSTTTT. my boys is 1100 on race gas 900+ on pump...wwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry pal 900hp out of a 2J is not possible on pump gas PERIOD!
no 2J will hold 1200 on stock internals either. 980 @ the wheels is the record for 2J & 799 for 7M. amazing how much misinformation can be spread.

uh huh....my homeboys got the dyno sheet and im not hte one who said 1200 on stock internals..my boys car is fully built top to bottom

Of course...so the new topic is switching brand engines in another car.

Last night at a meet there was a sick ___ old school bug with a porsche engine...HOLY CRAP, that thing took off and chirped in every gear switch until 4th gear...I mean FAWK...4 big churps and it was soooooo damn inspirational.

In general, I agree with you. . . but remember that the old school bug's were essentially Porsche's (no offense to porsche fanatics). They were designed by the same guy, and it's not that far of a leap from VW. I think nowadays, the technology and parts have become more distinct, but the lineage is still there, VW, Audi, Porsche. . . and don't forget Lamborghini (the Audification of an exotic, much like the H2 Hummer to the original Humvee).

but seriously, good luck with the project. . . I honestly think 300 maybe a bit optimistic, and a bit pointless (because it is a BOX), but if you successfully pull it off, then you will be the xB king! I mean, why not? They have Dodge Caravan's that can outrun Supra's, albeit due to an engine swap!!!

oh yeha off the OT stuff back to the scion. tahnks for gettin it ontrack djc

lol yeah . 799 for 7m eh? hmm thats my new goal till i get a 1jz then .

someone needs to find those 13 second echos and help them school us scion guys...

13 sec is a 200+ hp xA w/ a decent driver...nothing hard

i still dont know why everyone is so enthralled by 1320 feet, its a straight line.....borign in my opinion, but thats why i like auto-x and road courses.....now i just need time and money to finish everything.....being fast is one thing we wont be, but QUICK and agile will not be hard points to find

brent

on a side note 99.9 percent of the people posting about turbos will never turbo their scion, its just a bunch of people gumming it up about how fast their car will be, and as of right now i am one of them....but i got parts here and stuff coming this way so its on like donkey kong

i bet you wouldnt need 200hp maybe like 180?

I would kill for 180hp. . . and I'm dead serious when I say that. . .

uh huh....my homeboys got the dyno sheet and im not hte one who said 1200 on stock internals..my boys car is fully built top to bottom
If it's built top to bottom, it doesn't have the stock internals, does it? lol

And btw, what is your buddy's name? My friend is pretty big in the Supra community and knows pretty much everyone with high HP Supras (not personally, but would recognize the car).

I would kill for 180hp. . . and I'm dead serious when I say that. . .


Then I'm sorry, but you have chosen the wrong car. You could sell your xA and buy a 1998 ITR with low miles, and have 195hp stock.

Oh well...I'm done.

my boys name is rothchild. and no hes not on the supra forums n what not he built the car for fun w/ his dad. his dad was a huge hotrod nut back then and got into japanese cars. his son followed suit w/ passion w/ cars but yeah hes not like a "big post whore" on supraforums.com or mkiv he browses but seldomly posts only when he puts up a WTB or for sale lol

I would kill for 180hp. . . and I'm dead serious when I say that. . .


Then I'm sorry, but you have chosen the wrong car. You could sell your xA and buy a 1998 ITR with low miles, and have 195hp stock.

Oh well...I'm done.

Uh. . . HELLO! I was being sarcastic you fool! It's called a pun. . . kill. . . dead serious? Sheez louizzzz!!!!!

To put it in easy wording, I was saying that 180hp would be NICE, but is unlikely. I love my xA, underpowered and all. . . it's fast enough to get me arrested (5spd. . . )

Screw the ITR. . .my last car had 315hp to the wheels and 260hp stock, but I sold my car for the xA (a more sensible car, easy to maintain, not thirsty with gas). I miss the power, but I don't regret my decision one bit.

Ok. . . I'm a bit grumpy. . . I apologize; it's late. BTW, you do have a VERY clean, very discreet Integra. Nice to see some people tastefully mod Honda/Acura's without adding U2 spyplane wings to the back or 50 caliber machine gun barrels for mufflers.

Uh. . . HELLO! I was being sarcastic you fool! It's called a pun. . . kill. . . dead serious? Sheez louizzzz!!!!!
I knew you weren't serious LOL :)

Screw the ITR. . .my last car had 315hp to the wheels and 260hp stock
Yes, but I was just looking at cars around the price range of a used xA. I could have said sell the xA and buy a twin-turbo Viper, but that would have been a little rediculous.

BTW, you do have a VERY clean, very discreet Integra
I appreciate that very much - thank you :)

Nice to see some people tastefully mod Honda/Acura's without adding U2 spyplane wings to the back or 50 caliber machine gun barrels for mufflers.

I completely agree. Those ___-wads ruin it for the rest of us who are in it for the right reasons.

I apologize
No problem at all, my friend :)

To put it in easy wording, I was saying that 180hp would be NICE, but is unlikely. I love my xA, underpowered and all. . . it's fast enough to get me arrested (5spd. . . )


EXACTLY...it's a WONDERFUL daily driver. I love my xA, too. It's great for getting around town and whatnot, but it'll never be fast. That's why I got it...I spend enough money on the Integra, and I wanted something I knew had ZERO potential, so I wouldn't be tempted to spend money on IT too :D

Nice Lexus, btw ;)

All is cool. . . I was just offended at even the idea of selling my xA. . . you mentioned that I made the wrong choice. I guess you were being saracastic too?

I was just offended at even the idea of selling my xA. . . you mentioned that I made the wrong choice. I guess you were being saracastic too?


Just meant that if you were looking for a fast car you made the wrong choice, that's all. It looks like you made the exact right decision :) And yeah, I wish sarcasm was a little easier to pick up on over the intarweb.

OH, and btw - I love the look of your xA. I kinda wish I would have gotten the white one, too, but I like my PGP too. Wish they would make a device to change the color of your car with a switch :)

yeah this is all trrue but let us pimp ou cars, soup up our cars. theres nothing wrong in wanting a car or liking a car or buying a car and then totally upping it to the next level. i'm sorry honda's can be fast but i could never rock one. well maybe an s2k but thats about it.

I think you have me wrong, here. I didn't mean to say that modding a Scion is wrong...I am all for auto customization. I was just trying to say that the creator of this thread had goals that are just way above what is possible - for now, at least. It's not like I haven't done stuff to my xA lol.

Well. . . I don't know about zero potential, persay. . .
There are a few xA's and xB's that have made it beyond 150hp with the PE300 Supercharger kit. . . although it's not a killer, it is relatively quick because of its weight. Not a scorcher, but still very nice.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37642&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Here's a good thread with tons of info. . . it's not impossible. . . just VERY VERY difficult and expensive.

where are people finding pics of my car? Those are seriously out dated and some mods were kinda embarrassing. . . I need to take those pics down

pe sc is my gobetween the 1nz and the 2zz

uh huh....my homeboys got the dyno sheet and im not hte one who said 1200 on stock internals..my boys car is fully built top to bottom Your boys car may have made 900. Im not doubting that but it didnt make that high of # on pump gas. Its just not possible, unless your one of those guys who buys 100 octane from a specialty fuel place who has it at the pump & tries to pass it off as pump gas. you cant make that power on 91-93 octane gas. 700 is pushing it to the edge on pump. You could get more with water/ methanol injection but thats not true pump gas numbers.

I still think it can work. That Tc is proof. They took all the internals upgraded it and now they run 30psi and are getting 580+whp when stock it's about 140whp. That's a 440whp gain. And your saying a roughly 250whp gain is unacheavable? It can work. It just costs money. I just can't wait til he finishes his turbo system gets 350whp and the non believers will be blown away. I've seen street legal turbocharged civics with over 450whp and those engines are as economic as ours.

FYI, The tC and the xA/xB have different engines. One has been building aftermarket support for some time now, and the others have not.

the xb has aloit opf aftermarket support jut not large fully built applications

Not to mention aftermarket support that has been around a LONG time in Japan for the Vitz/Yaris/bb/IST and a dozen other models which all use this engine. There actually is considerably more stuff for this engine than for the tC's engine. . . but we never see it on our shores. . . not that there's a ton in the first place for either.

i wanna see some pix of the complete setup.

sd streetrace:
Your boys car may have made 900. Im not doubting that but it didnt make that high of # on pump gas. Its just not possible, unless your one of those guys who buys 100 octane from a specialty fuel place who has it at the pump & tries to pass it off as pump gas. you cant make that power on 91-93 octane gas. 700 is pushing it to the edge on pump. You could get more with water/ methanol injection but thats not true pump gas numbers


weve got a 300zx that pulls 565 on 91 cali crap pump gas, and the _____ only gets 8 mpg if your easy on it.....drive it hard and it gets about 2....see what 6 1000cc injectors will get you

:D

brent

sd streetrace:
Your boys car may have made 900. Im not doubting that but it didnt make that high of # on pump gas. Its just not possible, unless your one of those guys who buys 100 octane from a specialty fuel place who has it at the pump & tries to pass it off as pump gas. you cant make that power on 91-93 octane gas. 700 is pushing it to the edge on pump. You could get more with water/ methanol injection but thats not true pump gas numbers


weve got a 300zx that pulls 565 on 91 cali crap pump gas, and the _____ only gets 8 mpg if your easy on it.....drive it hard and it gets about 2....see what 6 1000cc injectors will get you

:D

brent those are believable pump gas numbers. Ive got 1000cc injectors in my supra also. people who claim such ridiculous numbers on pump gas have no clue. You just cant run enough timing or boost to make huge power without running 100 octane or better.

i think above 6 youll really need 100 oct plus bc of the kncok sensors......i just dont think theres much more than in the 6 range

brent

xB can't fit a T3/T4 turbo if you keep it stock anyway. T28 is pushing it already cuz theres just no room for it to fit.

apparently they like to dream. dreams of smoking crack.

would the 1.5 be able to even spool the t3/t4?

Well the phsyical dimensions of the engine bay prohibit the turbo from even fitting back there.

It's gunna be a top mount turbo setup but by doing that, your creating a longer exhaust for a turbo that's alredy too big. So by my calculations....yeah, you're gunna have some bad lag, LOL

maybe he's gonna push the firewall back a few inches. wink wink

Don't use wink wink on me...I invented wink wink...along with male enlargement products

i wouldnt even know about the male enlargerment stuff i'm quite happy the way i am lol . the ladies seem to think so too .

good for you...it's not very hard to impress my chinese school bunny so i'm square as well...wink wink...thank god my birthday was 2 weeks ago cuz I was goin on a little drought by then.

Dyno sheet?

Turbonetics is releasing a T3/T4 kit in January. Complete with all the parts including fuel management, blah, blah. $42oo. I am currently building mine to be the fastest in the country. Why? Just because, we currently race a Mustang with a big thumper and need something to play around with on trips to the track. Look for me at the races.....I really enjoy everyones opinions on here and hope everyone achieves what they strive for.

How can we both achieve being the fastest?

buy a corvette joe!! And where were you when I called?? Sleeping?? :lol:

Sorry bro, my phone hasn't been working for the last 2 weeks...I'm too lazy to get a battery for it. I heard the message and it cut off on me...what did you need to know for the meet or sumthin like that?

umm, am i the only one that notice that this dude hasn't even posted once to respond to all your questions? musta been a joke

I've been saying that this whole time

moved to the xA/xB area

If you really wanna get a box to 300 hp.... you are definitely workin with the wrong motor..... the 1nz-fe will not handle that much power..... you should try using a stonger motor, or rather one with much more aftermarket suppport like the 4age or the 2zz....
I've worked on many a crazy cars and been around a lot of high horsepower supercars.... i strongly recomend getting a different powerplant prior to setting up a game plan.

-Alex B.

If you really wanna get a box to 300 hp.... you are definitely workin with the wrong motor..... the 1nz-fe will not handle that much power..... you should try using a stonger motor, or rather one with much more aftermarket suppport like the 4age or the 2zz....
I've worked on many a crazy cars and been around a lot of high horsepower supercars.... i strongly recomend getting a different powerplant prior to setting up a game plan.

-Alex B.

Neither will the clutch...

Cmon guys, start thinking outside of the "box" lol........I am going to push mine until the block splits.....wont be the first time or the last.......I appreciate all input and will be posting pics, dyno #'s and will be at the track so no one thinks this is bs. I am going to start conservative so the info will be helpful to everyone that wants to boost their Scion xB then we are going to get crazy with it. As a side not if anyone runs across a Scion xB that is a recovery vehicle or light collision damage for a good price then pm me. Thanks and good luck to everyone.

anything over 200hp surely will not be streetable.

My B18a is on a t3/t4, AEM, 1000cc injectors and gigantic cams, and it's a pain to get it to idle at all....