Wassup. I had a question for people with Superchargers. Do you guys have a intercooler installed too? If so, what kind do you recommend?

The supercharger isnt out yet, rumored to be released in February or March.

intercoolers on superchargers are alot different from the ones on turbos....at least to my understanding not as many superchargers have intercoolers on them.

the supercharger is supposed to come out in feb/march, and the intercooler is rumored to possibly come out. I'm hoping they offer it.

the supercharger is supposed to come out in feb/march, and the intercooler is rumored to possibly come out. I'm hoping they offer it.

me too...

intercoolers on superchargers are alot different from the ones on turbos....at least to my understanding not as many superchargers have intercoolers on them.

They still do the same thing -- they cool down the air after the supercharger/turbocharger compresses it. Remember, as you compress a gas, its temperature will become hotter. The reason why not too many superchargers have intercoolers is because of their low boost application. When you increase the boost, the need for intercooling becomes greater.

Cars with superchargers installed in them offer less plumbing than turbocharged cars, so... A front-mount intercooler is not the best best. I would install an in-line intercooler in the engine bay and look for a hood with a hood scoop that delivers cold air to it. Or... You could do an in-line air-to-water heat exchanger and have a pump in-line with a front mount water-to-air heat exchager. That would be a nice setup.

I've never seen a supercharged car with an intercooler on it. There's really no point. A supercharger doesn't sit inline with the exhaust track right AT the exhaust ports on the head like a turbo does, so it doesn't get cherry red hot like a turbo does.

Typically with a supercharger you just run an intake tube with a cone filter on it wherever you want to pull air from. Intercooling a supercharger setup would mean more pipe, and and expensive intercooler that really wouldn't benefit you at all. Slapping the equivalent of a cold air intake on the supercharger, so it pulled cool air from inside a fender well or behind an opening in the front bumper would be more benefit than forcing the blower to pull air through a longer intake track.

With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.

I've never seen a supercharged car with an intercooler on it. There's really no point. A supercharger doesn't sit inline with the exhaust track right AT the exhaust ports on the head like a turbo does, so it doesn't get cherry red hot like a turbo does.

Typically with a supercharger you just run an intake tube with a cone filter on it wherever you want to pull air from. Intercooling a supercharger setup would mean more pipe, and and expensive intercooler that really wouldn't benefit you at all. Slapping the equivalent of a cold air intake on the supercharger, so it pulled cool air from inside a fender well or behind an opening in the front bumper would be more benefit than forcing the blower to pull air through a longer intake track.

With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.

actually you would be called the dumbass, based on your descriptions...
an intercooler goes between the boost device and the intake maifold... not before the boost device
what you described was a before cooler, if it is even real...
and you can put an intercooler on any non-manifold (or positive displaacement) type of boosting....

With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.

Ever look under the hood of a Ford Thunderbird Super Coupe? They have a roots type supercharger (Eaton M90) with an air-to-air intercooler. The SC actually sits on the car up-side down. The output faces up and the SC is bolted to the top of the intake manifod. Really a creative setup.

A big V8 will produce a little bit more heat than a 4 cyl. I doubt even making 240hp that the tC's 2.4L engine will produce enough heat to warrant anything more than a CAI.

It's totally apples to oranges. We're not dealing with pro-street cars or muscle cars here. The tC is a compact car.

:roll: 88-89 AW11 MR2s came with the 4A-GZE that had Supercharger with an aftercooler/intercooler on it. :roll:


ps... so did the Toyota Previa with the S/C drive train.. they had an aftercooler/intercooler on it too.

A big V8 will produce a little bit more heat than a 4 cyl. I doubt even making 240hp that the tC's 2.4L engine will produce enough heat to warrant anything more than a CAI.

It's totally apples to oranges. We're not dealing with pro-street cars or muscle cars here. The tC is a compact car.

The heat the motor makes has nothing to do with the heat generated by a centrifugal supercharger. Any time you compress air you create heat. Heat is the enemy of making horsepower. When you want to make more power you want the incoming air to be as cold as possible. An intercooler does that, it makes the air colder. Same thing with Nitrous... it almost flash cools the incoming air, therefore making more power.

i am running 12 psi of boost...
if the air temp coming in the filter is 100 degrees..
after compression it will be about 205 degrees...

if i use an intercooler with 75% cooling efficiency (a little better then avg %) the air temp will be reduced to 125 degrees...

also as a by product of the cooler air is a .5-.7 drop in psi...the loss in boost is made up in the cooler air charge...

lol anyone using an intercooler on a sc setup is a dumbass!! Funny this one!!

It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.

yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.

wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!

Later all
wawa 86 MR2 MKI SC (intercooler) & 05 Scion tC

lol anyone using an intercooler on a sc setup is a dumbass!! Funny this one!!

It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.

yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.

wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!



Someplace, Somewhere, an english teacher just died.

Someplace, Somewhere, an english teacher just died.

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ROTFLMAO...........

Intercoolers are seen more often on turbochargers because of their nature - they make power from exhaust gas which is inherently scalding hot.

Yes, air is compressed and thereby heated by superchargers, but the effect is much less than that of a glowing turbine wheel two inches from where your intake charge is coming from. Intercooling a supercharger is a waste of money if:

-Your boost goals aren't high
-You have a cooling system that doesn't suck.

ok not childern, stop the hate...



just answer the question...


can the TRD SC hold an intercooler?

lol anyone using an intercooler on a sc setup is a dumbass!! Funny this one!!

It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.

yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.

wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!




Someplace, Somewhere, an english teacher just died.

That is too funny! :lol:

can the TRD SC hold an intercooler?

vortech make powercoolers for most of their supercharger kits.

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/coolers/

on another note... sure the cooling on an intercooler is nice but...

the only real intercooler i see worth it is a small core spearch intercooler. Something with a low HP rating, ultra high efficiency, with MINIMAL pressure drop.

If the SC is running 6psi, and your intercooler is a 1.5psi pressure drop, then you better expect a slight loss of power, with the opposite being added reliability.

A side to side endtank setup on a smaller, highly efficient intercooler wont be too bad; especially if you plan on upgrading the pulleys and doing other extensive mods.

I plan on doing a small spearco intercooler if I see fit, along with all hard pipes for sure, and a matched lowe pressure BOV (more for fun, but still helps a little bit).

I don't think someone asking a question about something they don't know about makes them a dumbass. However, one thing that does qualify someone to be labeled "dumbass" is the pompous, juvenile, cock waving we have witnessed by some in this thread. The above mentioned label can be applied when the following criteria are met:

1) The individual is suggesting someone else is stupid.
2) The reason given for item one is delivered in such a way that observers think this person is an arrogant ___ eater.
3) The reason from item two is not based on any truthful or factual information.

Look, no one really cares how much you know about cars. But, if you are going to call (or suggest) someone is a dumbass please be prepared to back up your statement with creditable information (your buddy Cooter with the 76 Firebird does not count). I will give you a few examples of what I mean.

As stated at rsportscars.com (http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/superchargers.asp)
"One thing turbos and superchargers do have in common is the need for intercooling. It is a common myth that turbos need intercooling and superchargers don't. There is no truth to this statement. Compressing air makes it hot; this is an inescapable fact of nature. The more efficient the compressor, the less it heats the air, but the heating still occurs and it is still significant... The end result is the same: Superchargers stand to benefit from intercooling as much as turbos do."

You can also read up on forced induction, intercoolers (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo7.htm) and other interesting subjects (http://science.howstuffworks.com/light-propulsion.htm) at HowStuffWorks.com (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm).

At least that statement backs up what I and a few others said. Get if if you want more power, and choose the right intercooler for your application.

good work there ebola...(cooter...LOL)

it still amazes me that people can get to this site and post, but they can't do a simple little research on the net....

and tcguy, i don't know if i have ever seen anything over .75 psi drop from intercooling. if it is higher, i would suspect a leak...

Alright, I have to add my 2 cents. I have a MINI Cooper S (currently at 247whp) which has a supercharger and a top mount intercooler. The Intercooler does make a difference. Also, I hope I am not the only engineer in the group who has taken thermodynamics. The intercooler on a s/c or turbo does give a increase in the amount of power that can be produced by the engine by cooling the air. The little loss in pressure doesn't compare to the gain in power that can be produced from the cooler air. You still have the same mass of air flowing and it is cooler. It all has to do with the Otto cycle. Look it up and do the analysis and you will see the point of the intercooler.

:roll: 88-89 AW11 MR2s came with the 4A-GZE that had Supercharger with an aftercooler/intercooler on it. :roll:


ps... so did the Toyota Previa with the S/C drive train.. they had an aftercooler/intercooler on it too.



:!: good to know there are some people that know bout cars in this site.

Alright, I have to add my 2 cents. I have a MINI Cooper S (currently at 247whp) which has a supercharger and a top mount intercooler. The Intercooler does make a difference. Also, I hope I am not the only engineer in the group who has taken thermodynamics. The intercooler on a s/c or turbo does give a increase in the amount of power that can be produced by the engine by cooling the air. The little loss in pressure doesn't compare to the gain in power that can be produced from the cooler air. You still have the same mass of air flowing and it is cooler. It all has to do with the Otto cycle. Look it up and do the analysis and you will see the point of the intercooler.

you are not the only one with the knowledge of why/how it works....

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you are not the only one with the knowledge of why/how it works

dgHotLava: Stop being such a hater!

The supercharger isnt out yet, rumored to be released in February or March.

April its coming out

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you are not the only one with the knowledge of why/how it works

dgHotLava: Stop being such a hater!

i'm not hating...just stating that i have the education, and i agree with the post tcturboscion wrote...

since the s/c that is supposed to be released for the tC is a centrifugal supercharger then it is possible to put on an intercooler since centrifugal supercharger's are basically turbo chargers that are driven off of a belt instead of exaust air(i think) :? ... check this site for info. on superchargers http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/superchargers.asp
also for those who think u can't put a supercharger on roots type s/c....well i believe the stillen roots type s/c for the g35 & 350Z has an option for an intercooler and i believe the intercooler is sandwiched between the engine and the s/c(i think its a water intercooler) http://www.stillen.com/news_select.asp?id=40

As stated at rsportscars.com (http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/superchargers.asp)
"One thing turbos and superchargers do have in common is the need for intercooling. It is a common myth that turbos need intercooling and superchargers don't. There is no truth to this statement. Compressing air makes it hot; this is an inescapable fact of nature. The more efficient the compressor, the less it heats the air, but the heating still occurs and it is still significant... The end result is the same: Superchargers stand to benefit from intercooling as much as turbos do."

I love how that takes into account the orange-glowing-hot tubine wheel which serves as a heater to all the air going through the compresser side, and how superchargers lack this.

Wait, it doesn't.

The bottom line here is that when you compress air you create friction which creates heat, and you are dealing with an airpump that has moving parts that also create friction which again create heat.

You can always benefit from intercooling no matter how much boost you are running. Intercooling does become more critical with higher boost pressure. I have built front mount intercooler systems for a couple supercharged cars before and they have all shown a substantial increase in HP, with very minimal pressure drop.

I am positive this will be the case with the TRD supercharger. I am planning on offering a front mount intercooler kit for the TRD supercharger setup, along with different size pulleys to increase boost pressure. The Intercooler will have a 3" core, and the pulleys will be available for 7psi and 10psi of boost with possibly higher boost models to come.

I will of course have dyno figures and track times to show the level of improvement.

NOW its really up to TRD to release the damn thing so we can get to work, and give you guys some real options!

:roll: 88-89 AW11 MR2s came with the 4A-GZE that had Supercharger with an aftercooler/intercooler on it. :roll:


ps... so did the Toyota Previa with the S/C drive train.. they had an aftercooler/intercooler on it too.



:!: good to know there are some people that know bout cars in this site.

If you want to get really technical about it...

For years, we’ve always referred to gadgets such as the Igloo as intercoolers, especially when used in conjunction with turbochargers. So why all of a sudden is everyone calling these things aftercoolers? Because aftercooler is the correct term. By definition, an intercooler is a heat exchanger mounted between two superchargers, two turbochargers, or a turbo/supercharger combination, in a two-stage supercharged system. Only the most exotic of racecars have staged systems, but many World War II–era airplanes had multiple stages of superchargers, with intercoolers mounted between them. The term stuck in our vocabulary, to the point where we label everything that cools the incoming air charge an intercooler. But they’re actually aftercoolers, which by definition is a heat exchanger that mounts after the supercharger, like the typical Mustang application. Now you know.

So almost everyone here is wrong. :roll: