-Side Mirror Defrosters
-Better lighting for their gagues and other accessories.
-Reclining Back Seat
-Front seats to go back futher for taller people

-For example. Sometimes the frost is bad when I wake up and I have to actually get a paper towel and wipe off my side mirrors because they do not have defrost.

-If I want to adjust my mirrors or turn on my fog lights I have to feel around and kind of guess where the button is. It's just an inconvience.

-It would be cool to recline the back seat back to watch the flip down TV.

-I'm only 6'1" and I still find myself trying to move the seet back more. Even with the front seat totally back when I sit in the back I fell like I have more leg room.

that should only raise the price to about $20,000 :D

And bring it in line with the other econo-class rides that all come with these niceties standard... :roll:

Thats why i will add those items myself. :D Thats where all the fun is. :D

Thats why i will add those items myself. :D Thats where all the fun is. :D

and that sets you apart!

exactly!!! Just like the logo from scion, thats where me and the toyota techs sometimes have a n argument about! :lol:

i think there is more then enough room for tall people. I am 6'5" and NEVER have the driver seat all the way back. But i guess its personal pref'

what exactly about the logo from scion?

-Side Mirror Defrosters


That would be nice, but would add expense.

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-Better lighting for their gagues and other accessories.


Huh?

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-Reclining Back Seat


Would be neat, but adds cost and people don't expect it in this class.

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-Front seats to go back futher for taller people


Sure, why not. My 6-7 friend can sit as comfortably as he does in most cars up front, but he could actually drive it comfortably if the seats went back further. I agree they should. There is PLENTY of room back there after all!


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-For example. Sometimes the frost is bad when I wake up and I have to actually get a paper towel and wipe off my side mirrors because they do not have defrost.


I live in Arizona so thats not an issue too often, but most people would benefit from heated mirrors I suppose...

popalock85 wrote:
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-Better lighting for their gagues and other accessories.



Huh?

Just what I said. It's kind of hard to find some of the accessory switches when it's dark.

I'd also like one of those lights around the ignition. That's be nice.

Also,
If the could re-design the doors and make it where you could rest your elbow on the door when you are driving. Raise it up about 4-6"

I understand some of these options would raise the price of the xB. That's why they are options. If you don't want them don't get them.

those arn't the kind of things that are options, and I rest my elbow on the door. and what accessory switches are you talking about??? they are all in one place.

those arn't the kind of things that are options, and I rest my elbow on the door. and what accessory switches are you talking about??? they are all in one place.
I know they should all be standard....
those arn't the kind of things that are options, and I rest my elbow on the door. and what accessory switches are you talking about??? they are all in one place.
Then you are short. I would have to slouch to rest my arm on the door. If they could raise that up a couple of inches it would benifit everyone. Even the short people that rest their elbow on it right now s it is.
those arn't the kind of things that are options, and I rest my elbow on the door. and what accessory switches are you talking about??? they are all in one place.
Ok. Go in your garage or wait until it's completly dark outside. Now get in your car and turn the lights on to where you can see the speedo and the A/C controls. Now look all the way to your left for the Side mirror controls. Hard to see in the dark? What about the ignition switch? I'm sure you don't have trouble finding the ignition hole but for people like me it would help if there was a light ring around the ignition so I could easily find it. Like in more expensive cars (Don't try to use that terminology against me because it wouldn't cost them $20 to do this. ...)
What about your fog lights? You don't have fog lights? Anyway I am sure every dealership installs the fog light switch differently but mine put the switch under the A/C. It's not lit and I don't know how difficult it would be to make it a lighted switch but it would be nice. Let me know if you aren't getting what I am saying and I will take pictures for you.

i know what you're saying and by the way i'm 6'1". I know where all my stuff is. I guess you will get use to it. maybe its cause I have the interior lighting on all the time. you should replace the switch with a lit one. and maybe put an led or 2 by the mirror thing

popalock85 wrote:
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-Better lighting for their gagues and other accessories.

Huh?

Just what I said. It's kind of hard to find some of the accessory switches when it's dark.

I'd also like one of those lights around the ignition. That's be nice.


Ah, I gotcha now. I don't have any trouble finding the ignition, but a light around the cigarette lighter would be helpful.



I understand some of these options would raise the price of the xB. That's why they are options. If you don't want them don't get them.

Right, but what you don't seem to understand is options make the car more expensive to manufacuture and sell all the way from the factory down to the dealer, where they have to shuffle cars to find the one with the options you want, then wind up with cars with less popular options packages they have to discount, or swap with other dealers and so on. This way it's simple. What color do you want? and do you want an 5 speed or an auto. That's it.

Despite the fact it's been explained here many times before, many still don't seem to grasp a large part of the reason these cars are such a good value is that Toyota deliberately builds them in a "monospec" fashion. It simplifies production and streamlines the whole process.

It might be nice if you could buy a $11,000 xB with no power windows or a $18,000 xB with leather, 2 sunroofs, a V6 and navigation----- but the expense to try and cover everything people might want would drive the price up across the line.

well put, all the options that I can think of for the xB are either port or dealer installed

I want a 396 HEMI in my xB...

...and duallies on the rear...

..and heated seats like on my Saab ($14,000 in 1985)

...and I don't want to spend a lot of money!!!

:P

And bring it in line with the other econo-class rides that all come with these niceties standard... :roll:

Name one $14k car with more standard features than the xB.

What econo-class rides are you talking about that come with heated mirrors and reclining rear seats??

And bring it in line with the other econo-class rides that all come with these niceties standard... :roll:

Name one $14k car with more standard features than the xB.

What econo-class rides are you talking about that come with heated mirrors and reclining rear seats??

sarcasm my good friend, note the rolling eyes

Right, but what you don't seem to understand is options make the car more expensive to manufacuture and sell all the way from the factory down to the dealer

:x Whatever then. I'll do everything myself and be better than you.... :x

Ignition hole light ring - $50
Reclining rear seats - $200
Mirror Defrost - $150
Better lit gagues (the mirror adjust ect) - $300

Design cost for adding these options....... $47million dollars.

Is this not the dear scion section where we post ideas to the Scion god's? I understand the big picture and economics behind making changes to a vehicle. But thanks for clearing for the broken hearted 15 year old kid that's a part of this forum and would like to see the options I listed on his scion the he plans to buy as soon as he turns 16.

Reclining rear seats - $200

if you can do that for 200 bucks let me know how cause i would love to be able to do that for just $200. I figured something like that would be more expensive

that would be hard as balls to do

that would be hard as balls to do :shock:

Right, but what you don't seem to understand is options make the car more expensive to manufacuture and sell all the way from the factory down to the dealer

:x Whatever then. I'll do everything myself and be better than you.... :x

Ignition hole light ring - $50
Reclining rear seats - $200
Mirror Defrost - $150
Better lit gagues (the mirror adjust ect) - $300

Design cost for adding these options....... $47million dollars.

Is this not the dear scion section where we post ideas to the Scion god's? I understand the big picture and economics behind making changes to a vehicle. But thanks for clearing for the broken hearted 15 year old kid that's a part of this forum and would like to see the options I listed on his scion the he plans to buy as soon as he turns 16.

Did I miss something? Who is the 15 yr old kid who is broken hearted because the rear seats don't recline? You?

Did I miss something? Who is the 15 yr old kid who is broken hearted because the rear seats don't recline? You?Looking back I did sound really immature.
I apologize. Sometimes I get ____ed when people get their panties in a knot about some simple suggestions.
I'd just like my rear seats to recline like the tC.
I think it'd be cool to have rear bucket seats to match the front ones but that's just my opinion.
As for being the 15yr old kid being broken hearted that's not the case.
That kind of upset me and makes me want to meet you face to face. :come:

telescoping steering wheel

Did I miss something? Who is the 15 yr old kid who is broken hearted because the rear seats don't recline? You?Looking back I did sound really immature.
I apologize. Sometimes I get ____ed when people get their panties in a knot about some simple suggestions.
I'd just like my rear seats to recline like the tC.
I think it'd be cool to have rear bucket seats to match the front ones but that's just my opinion.
As for being the 15yr old kid being broken hearted that's not the case.
That kind of upset me and makes me want to meet you face to face. :come:

Just a misunderstanding dude. I was trying to make sense out of your last sentence, I couldn't tell who the 15 yr old kid was supposed to be, I wasn't trying to be a smart ___. n/m though. Its all good.

The only thing I can really ask for in this car class is an arm rest of some sort. I've made 1000+ mile trips a few times already, and the armrest would be much welcomed.

You're in luck, There are several aftermarket armrests. Just do a search for 'armrest'

telescoping steering wheel

hallelujah!!!

I posted this same thing once a while back. I'm 6'1 and like to "lean back" but man sometimes my arm's feel like they are in a mid 19th Century torture device. And my elbow really doesn't comfortably reach the armrest on the door, nor my boomerang. Despite the headroom, I don't think the xB was designed for a tall person. Anyone sat in a box with bench seats up front? I guess I'm thankful we don't have this.

do u guys think its possible to extend the length that the front seat can go back?? like the slider thing the seat sits on?????????

And my elbow really doesn't comfortably reach the armrest on the door, nor my boomerang. I totally agree!!!
do u guys think its possible to extend the length that the front seat can go back?? like the slider thing the seat sits on?????????As you probably know "almost anything" is possible with enough $$$

im 6'7 wonder if ill fit

im 6'7 wonder if ill fit
You will fit in the back seat comfortably with the front seat scooted up a little.
The front would be tight for you though.....

do u guys think its possible to extend the length that the front seat can go back?? like the slider thing the seat sits on?????????

Yes, this can be done, at least in most cars.

As long as there is enough area to move the seat rails back, you could take them off and move them back an inch or three.

I want the option to get a bigger motor. like 150hp at least. I would have paid 2.5k more for that

You're in luck, There are several aftermarket armrests. Just do a search for 'armrest'
There is a factory one now too, if you hadn't seen it already.

cruise control?

cruise control? I have cruise control and I know why it doesn't come stock.
As we all know our xB's are the most anti-areodynamic pieces of machinery on the road.
With that said our speed is pretty much in control of two factors.
1) Wind speed (for or against)
2) Slope (for or against)

Cruise controls are supposed to be a tool of convienence and possibly help with gas mileage.

Since our boxes can't maintain a constant speed depending on the variables above cruise control does more harm than good.

For example:
I can set my cruise at 70mph and here comes a hill with a moderate incline. The xB will start to loose speed down to about 60mph then it will downshift and about redline to gain speed back up to 70mph.
If the incline last awhile your going to be at a high RMP until you can reach back to what you set the cruise at.

It's the worst investment that I have on my box......totally useless

-For example. Sometimes the frost is bad when I wake up and I have to actually get a paper towel and wipe off my side mirrors because they do not have defrost.

Obviously you have never been to Minnesota or somwhere is snows. If that was all I had to do some mornings when I got up I would be thrilled!

Bye the way, this is sort of a "I wish" thread I'm assuming. So it's a cool idea for everyone to post their dream standard xB but people, relax a little then. We all know more options means more cost...

cruise control? I have cruise control and I know why it doesn't come stock.
As we all know our xB's are the most anti-areodynamic pieces of machinery on the road.
With that said our speed is pretty much in control of two factors.
1) Wind speed (for or against)
2) Slope (for or against)

Cruise controls are supposed to be a tool of convienence and possibly help with gas mileage.

Since our boxes can't maintain a constant speed depending on the variables above cruise control does more harm than good.

For example:
I can set my cruise at 70mph and here comes a hill with a moderate incline. The xB will start to loose speed down to about 60mph then it will downshift and about redline to gain speed back up to 70mph.
If the incline last awhile your going to be at a high RMP until you can reach back to what you set the cruise at.

It's the worst investment that I have on my box......totally useless


you've got a crappy cruise control system then. has nothing to do with the car or aerodynamics.

What about the 300lbs of audio equipment that I have in the box? Or the 19" rims which weigh 47lbs a piece?
That's an extra 500lbs.....
When a car with less that 100whp is luggin all that extra weight tell me that the engine is going to be able to maintain speed going up hill.....
Lucky don't you have a tC?
Got much experience with the ol' box?

I can notice a drastic difference in driving conditions when I have wind against me.....
It does make a difference.
My Scion has to down shift to get back up to the cruising speed that I set.

..the xB needs to be replaced

And bring it in line with the other econo-class rides that all come with these niceties standard... :roll:

Name one $14k car with more standard features than the xB.

My girlfriend's 2003 Mazda Protege.

People are proportioned differently. Some people have long legs, some a long torso. Going by height and saying you fit isn't going to really tell someone else much.

I'm 6'1", need the front seat all the way back, but when doing that I fit just fine. Someone else who's 6'1" might not need the seat all the way back, and a third person who's 6'1" might not be comfortable at all.

I fit in the xB a lot better than I do the tC... in the tC there is exactly one position that is comfortable (which gets old on really long drives) and in the xB there are many positions that all work for me.

my step dad is 6'7" we trade cars all the time and he is comfortable in it, 2 they cant give you everything you want and keep it reasonably priced, 3. you want all that stuff take it to your local customs shop and 'getter done' or do it urself, see problem solved

I think it should Be under lexus and have features like 220 watts of sound, leather seats that are auto comes with 17inch trd rims and be under 22,000

I think it should Be under lexus and have features like 220 watts of sound, leather seats that are auto comes with 17inch trd rims and be under 22,000

I could see it now. A lexus with a way different style, a MSRP of $20k & still has 105hp stock :silly: I just dont see this going on. Only 220 watts sound? I could upgrade a stock system for about $500 & have more then that. The wheels, I would go with something better then TRD. Leather, dont want it but could get it done for about $1k or less. Power seats, again dont want but have no clue why you realy want them. Adds way more weight, takes longer to adjust & is just a PITA if it breaks. So if they sold this thing for $20k, that would be about $6k diff from a xB. So with that xB I could build a better box & rice it out by putting Lexus badges on it if I wanted that bad enough.

And bring it in line with the other econo-class rides that all come with these niceties standard... :roll:

Name one $14k car with more standard features than the xB.

My girlfriend's 2003 Mazda Protege.

It has stability control, traction control, 4 wheel ABS standard?

I don't think so...

Not to mention the Protege is a deathtrap (sorry)

Have you seen the crash tests on that thing? :nails:

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Collapsable passenger compartment is one standard feature I'm glad the xB didn't come with.

A realistic add to to future xB's should be a six speed manual transmission or at the very least new gear ratios. Cruising the highways at 80mph, at 4K rpm is just not right.

These things drive well on the highway and now a days just to keep up with traffic 75 - 80 still gets you the highbeams in the passing lane ...

It was designed as a city car. It does quite well on the highway though, except for the high revs.

It would not be cost effective or practical to have added a 6 speed transmission.

I think it's a safe bet that the designed-for-America replacement for the xB will be much more highway friendly so I wouldn't worry about it.

I wish the xB would have Seats that actually hold my butt in place everytime I took a corner with the car! I have a decent suspenstion and I have to reset my butt every time I take a corner! I also wish the xB had a telescoping wheel, And Powerfolding mirrors!

$14,000 car

^^^^

Yes, it is indeed a $14,000 car. Which is precisely 28 times more money than what I got for the car I traded in. And the funny thing is that it does not have 28 times fewer shortcomings...

$14,000 car
Power Folding mirrors cost about $300-750 depending on weather its new or used. Some better seats would cost no more that $1,000.00 I'd gladly pay $1,500 more the the box if had these!

$14,000 car
Power Folding mirrors cost about $300-750 depending on weather its new or used. Some better seats would cost no more that $1,000.00 I'd gladly pay $1,500 more the the box if had these!

Right. Only problem is that 99% of people buying $14000 cars don't want to pay $15000 to have a useless feature like that. There are probably 10,000 other things ahead of *that* on the list.

Its puzzling to me why some people don't seem to understand the Scion business model and how it works. Maybe this will help:

1) Inexpensive cars have extremely slim profit margins

2) Scions are an especially good value because Toyota does alot of creative things to keep the cost of production down without compromising quality too much.

a) They build only ONE spec (save RS's) to simplify inventory and production
b) They include the most popular options as standard
c) They use as much exisiting hardware/platform as possible when possible


3) Adding trim levels and power folding mirrors, HIDs and LSD's and 6 speeds for the xB and all of the other unrealistic things people ask for would drive the cost of production through the roof to satisfy a tiny minority of people when the vast majority of the customers for a $14k car don't expect any of that or care about it. It would price Scions out of their entry level market defeating the whole purpose of the Scion brand.

Hope that helps some people understand how this thing works. :lalala:

I for one understand the Scion business model and definately understand TPS (toyota production system) I build Sienna's for a living. I do agree that somethings would be nice as options for the Xb. Maybe TRD could develope a few things. But we need to be bugging the aftermarket parts manufacturers for this stuff. That is what they are here for. Besides, have you ever seen an automaker embrace aftermarket products like Scion???

On that note, I would love to see a 6 speed manual tranny out there for it. It would go well after adding a turbo. The reclining back seats would be nice since they have a similar setup in the Tc. I do wish the fog light switch at least had a light indicating they are on, but I can install that myself. Honestly, when it comes to lighting, I just wish you didnt have to reach in the back to turn the light on manually. Cruise would be nice, i found a shop locally that will put that in for $200 though.

Its nice to want different things on your car, thats what makes it a Scion, making it your own, but lets not expect Toyota to offer all the options, they gave you the car, its up to you to make it yours.