It's that time of the month again. Who is all going? Maybe we can get some new faces/cars.

Second Friday - Tacoma, WA
Where: Tacoma Place Parking Lot
(w/ Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Starbucks, Applebees, etc.)
1929 S 72nd St.
Tacoma, WA 98408
Location: In Front of the Factory Outlet Store
Time: 8 pm

I'll be there. Meet at 8, eat at 9 as usual? :D

will likely be there!

:come:

For all of you new Scion owners out there near Tacoma. This is a perfect chance for you to come out and meet fellow Scion owners and also introduce yourself. This will be my second meet, the first one was great. I might have some new toys on the B this FRI.

I'll be there. Meet at 8, eat at 9 as usual? :D

Eat? Where? We didn't eat last time...

Fokai.....haha last months M&G was not our typical one..we usually go to eat and hang out afterwards.....lately it's been Hooters...

I'm down for some Hooters. Or where ever.

Ill be there, got some new stuffs for my tc and get the car tuned/boost upped on thursday, and dynoed :D

I might make the drive down there so I can get Penny's new bra from Tomas but it all depends on how the rest of the week turns out...

Be good to see ya, Elbert, but if you don't make it down, we'll find a way to get Penny's padded bra to her. :)

I will try to make it out as well as ill be in town till sunday

I'll be heading down with presents for Brian or anybody else thats interested in audio equipment.

I will be there......looking forward to presents......still trying to figure out how to build a rack for the amp........dang thing is too long.....LOL

Brian, go to this site for inspiration:
http://www.simplicity.elitecaraudio.org/
if you click on the pics, it'll take you to a detailed thread with more pics on how he made those installs.

man CJ, you're just loading people up aren't you!

dang it i will be not going to this one since this weekend me and jessica are going down to Vancouver/portland this weekend with out kids well maybe might bring hannah along so i will miss this and ummmmmm CJ what sorta audio are you giving away???
i am now looking for an amp since mine is well getting old LOL

later guys

Count mike and jenn in......Maybe +1....i hope

We want presents................................lol

i just wanna have a drinking contest with cindy?

Darn alcoholics...............

I'd settle for even just cookies... :D

heading home for the weekend for bar hopping, and some golf. Sorry guys!

hey i dont drink that often....

Believe me I KNOW............and when you do it's a good night for ME!!!!!!!!!haha

lol..

ok ok no need to get well you know this site is still pg-13 LOL

HAHA she is always thinking dirty......

O come on I wasn't bein a dirty girl...I just meant that he's in a good mood.....gosh filthy minds...

Brian, go to this site for inspiration:
http://www.simplicity.elitecaraudio.org/
if you click on the pics, it'll take you to a detailed thread with more pics on how he made those installs.

Gonna do an install but much simpler like the Vette install.....taking out the jack and foam and also the ED SQ10 box......gonna make a floor to replace the stock floor cover and set the sub boxes on it......then cut out a amp size hole in it to drop the amp rack into and then another floor so it all sits higher than the amp and put mesh over it......LED the amp rack to shine through the mesh and mount the ED amp badge onthe mesh.

The second floor should pin in the sub boxes pretty good for no movement and it should be able to be primed several coats and then painted body color and clear coated as will be the amp boxes......

I will have to keep my jack in a bag under the floor but that is ok......think it will work and should not be too expensive to build.......maybe a couple of hundred in materials and beer.

wonder if I will ned fans with the mesh.......may have to get one to push air in and out.

i'll probably be there.

I will sit this one out this month... will have to work that night =(

Have fun everyone!!

^work? boo...tell them you have a kidney stone

haha! good one...tell them that you just

haha! good one...tell them you were shot in the ___ in tacoma

^ LoL shot in the butt :rofl:

tell them you have explosive diarrhea and can't work for a week

^ lol this really brings me back to first grade!

I need to get off these damn meds LoL

explosive diarrhea......... :doh: ..........I should try that tomorrow..... :lalala:

explosive diarrhea......... :doh: ..........I should try that tomorrow..... :lalala:

oh wow that's definitely going in the sig!!! :rofl:

I actually had an employee tell me that before...

explosive diarrhea......... :doh: ..........I should try that tomorrow..... :lalala:

oh wow that's definitely going in the sig!!! :rofl:

I actually had an employee tell me that before...


HaHa!! awsome i wish i thought of that...

:rofl:

see we give great advice

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Man I am not feeling so good right now.........got a churning going on........think the zucchini might of gone bad....... :rofl:

i'll probably be there.
Hey Dave, Rep Balliztik when your there.....I'll be in Cali at the Formula D event..Although at the time of the M&G I might be in the pool or hot tub...dunno which yet....hit me up later...

Man I am not feeling so good right now.........got a churning going on........think the zucchini might of gone bad....... :rofl:


haha yuck!! :lol: "Tacoma aroma"

i've got some new toys to show off for friday! woowoo!!!

^sweet! as long as it's not explosive diarrhea

^sweet! as long as it's not explosive diarrhea

well... sometimes me and my coworkers go out and have Indian buffet on Fridays

Man I am not feeling so good right now.........got a churning going on........think the zucchini might of gone bad....... :rofl:


haha yuck!! :lol: "Tacoma aroma"

So the aroma of Tacoma............diarrhea.........explosive.... :crazy: ...I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth

BAd news........Boss said get some depends and head my butt to Bremerton.....

i'm gonna try to drag the little lady down there.

hell yeah bbzero is gonna show up.....

Looks that way, the little lady said she'd down.

I can't wait this time I get to get off work @ 5:30 whoo hoo . No drinking for me this month money is very tight.

very nice....bbzero when you have free time you should stop by my place

Awww Cindy no drinkin.....Darn it I needed MORE amusement....lol

very nice....bbzero when you have free time you should stop by my place

Yeah, I think i know whereabouts your at in here. I'll pop in sometime
.

someone mention drinking? beer is a natural diuretic. diuretics are good for passing kidney stones..... :ponder:

someone mention drinking? beer is a natural diuretic. diuretics are good for passing kidney stones..... :ponder:

So true so true...drink a bottle of aha toro pain will go away.. :rofl:

mmmm teh toro!!... i MIGHT make it down, it all depends on how i feel after work....getting the last of the 1700 machines in on monday and we have nowhere to stage them cause the last 500 we got are all over the place

Hi local scion owners! I've been checking out this board for a while now, but since I finally got my tC today...literally about 3 hours ago.....I decided I should join. I'd like to meet some local scion owners but I don't want to feel like an outsider in this already formed clique! I'm a little shy... any reassurance I wouldn't be horribly left out? haha

High.......there is a meet and Greet every Friday.....this Friday it is at Tacoma off of 72nd st........Tomas has the address.......I am headed off to get some rest before work,you are welcome to come down and join us.....there is also a MG at the Parking garage in Seattle during the month as well by the UW next to the Ram.......lots of us will be there and we are friendly and we have lots of fun......Brian

Congrats on the new car. You won't ever feel like you'll be left out here cuz everybody is so friendly. Just come by and say hi, I'll be the only one with a white Mazda. I see you're in the South Seattle area, where abouts are you? I live near Cleveland H.S.

I'm even further south than you are..... about 5 minutes from the airport.

I get off work at 7 on Friday... so unless I get suckered into working late, I'll probably show up

Cool see you there.........I will get the address to the meet posted.......yes.....still not crashed for the night.......gonna be a long day tomorrow.......LOL

i'll definitely be there!

need to get a soldering iron and some t-lines and crimps... ugh...

stupid pac-swi...

yall have fun.

almost done painting my sister's room... $15/hr though, then afterwards it's time to go get some heatshrink, and solder my connectors for the AVIC-D3 and the PAC-SWI

Cool see you there.........I will get the address to the meet posted.......yes.....still not crashed for the night.......gonna be a long day tomorrow.......LOL

Address is on first page, first post.

i'll definitely be there!

need to get a soldering iron and some t-lines and crimps... ugh...

stupid pac-swi...

Didn't i tell you it would be sooooo much fun :P

where we all going for dinner?

Where is the Tacoma M&G location?

http://tijil.org/Tacoma_MG_from_I-5.jpg

Here's what the turn into the Tacoma Place parking lot looks like...

http://tijil.org/taco_mg_turn01.jpg

HTH!

ha.....tomas you are awsome with directions.

might be there. flying into mcchord airforce base. Coming in from a month of training in nevada doing....stuff. Flight gets at 5ish so i dont know. i'll try though.

it will be nice to meet you...if you show up

brian are you bring out the yaris

Well I'm still not for sure gonna make it out but I will really try. It's been nice hanging out with Scion's again.

probably not bringing Yaris.......it is filthy........and I am gonna be gettign off work to late to really get it clean after another 10 hour day......just gonna bring the tC

That's all right, BZ, I was getting a little worried about you running around in the parking lot with your yaris hanging out again... :P

Looks like I might be able to make it...see y'all later hopefully!

I'll bring your padded bra just in case you make it down, Elbert. :D

well you guys have fun tonight me and jessica will be down in vancouver this weekend doing non-scion stuff LOL but that is all good so have fun and catch you guys later

drive safe......

shall do since now i have a new garmin nuvi LOL navi LOL

just used it to get to top foods which is like 5 mins from my house lol

no gas no go for me :(

Urp!

Just got back from Great India Cuisine (http://www.yelp.com/biz/great-india-cuisine-lakewood) in Lakewood, and feel like I ate an entire goat! Damn that stuff was good. :D

Never been there before, thought I'd give it a try, and was very pleasantly surprised.

A little pricey, but well worth it. Excellent spicing.

See y'all at the M&G assuming I survive. :)

yes! Gettin off work in a bit see you all later!

cool see you all there.....

i wanna attend one of the tacoma M&G's sometime!!!!! sounds like a lot of fun and huuge

how often do you have m&gs? i didnt get home tonight until 8, and was afraid of driving to tacoma only to get lost or not be able to find anyone..... i'll try again next time!

Meets are every 2nd friday of the month. If you got to
http://scion.meetup.com/30/calendar/
it has the all the information on any event.
Zindy

good to see everyone! that drive home sucked..kidney stone decided it was time to move a little which in the end is good i guess...good call on the jacuzzi zindy i jumped in for a little on the way home...that was nice! and thanks to Tomas for Penny's new bra!

Yep good seeing everyone again. Where did you guys end up eating? I had to leave bcuz the kids.

Everyone ended up just doing their own thing...I'm eating at home right now..lol

Everyone ended up just doing their own thing...I'm eating at home right now..lol

Maybe next month, we'll all actually go eat somewhere. I hear they're gonna build a couple of Sonic's here soon. Yuuum. Aight my filipino bruddah, I'll holla at you later.

Three of us ended up at Shari's until just after midnight, everyone else just seemed to sort of vanish. Felt kind of ridiculous since we were in a space they set aside for us for a party of 15. *sigh*

Like folks already said, we meet at the Tacoma location every month, second Friday, 8 PM, rain, shine or snow.

(Olympia every first Friday, Seattle every third Friday, etc.)

See: http://scion.meetup.com/30/calendar/

Glad you got the bra for Penny, hope she likes it, Elbert! :)

Too bad about the stone. :(

Just for the record, I believe we had 31 cars at the meet tonight.

Wow, that's a great showing... Does Tacoma have the largest meet?

Not historically, I believe that honor falls to Seattle, but the last two times (33 and 31 cars) were outstanding showings in Tacoma. :D

Well somehow I cannot get to sleep......too tired I guess.........bad part of the meet is the 4 cop cars that showed up.......seems they told the people at Krispy Kreme to leave and go somewhere else.......that somewhere else was our meet........cop gave us the riot act.......amazing how we are the only people in town doing nothing wrong and we get treated like dirt by the cops..........

I understand their point of view very well,but at the same time they should go take care of rounding up the people that are making issues for the general public.......

We all ended up leaving after the 20 cars form the Mall arrived......it looked as if it was a stupid idea to stay........or perhaps those people that came to our meet spot fromthe Mall are the ones who are tired of the constant issues related to that spot........one could only hope....... :tap:

Sorry I am just tired and sore and grumpy.......been doing 3 peoples jobs at work for 7 months now due to on the job injuries.......got shorted on my paycheck due to someone in personel not being able to add to 40.........got big time shorted........trying to pay off my bills so I can have a xmas for my family.......or at this point.....dinner.....LOL.......well better go try to get some sleep.......

lol I can't get any sleep either....well maybe the fact that I work nights is why...sorry to hear you got shorted...dude that sucks...I hate hearing about jobs screwing over workers....I can't wait to quit my regular job and work full time at the gym...I've been screwed one too many times at my regular job and I've had it....I don't give them 110% anymore...only the bare minimum...my boss is an asshat and I tell him all the time to his face that he's a douchebag and everytime I walk into the office I walk in yelling "only (blank) more weeks in this hell hole!!" no joke...lol jerk assclown boss....

anyway...IMHO we should start looking for a different place to meet. Mike, Jenn, the guy whose name I can't remember and I were the last people to leave around 10:30 PM and by then more than half the lot was infested with the "people that make us look bad". I would guesstimate about 30 cars from the "Krispy Kreme Crowd" took over our spot by the time we all left.

anyway...IMHO we should start looking for a different place to meet. Mike, Jenn, the guy whose name I can't remember and I were the last people to leave around 10:30 PM and by then more than half the lot was infested with the "people that make us look bad". I would guesstimate about 30 cars from the "Krispy Kreme Crowd" took over our spot by the time we all left.

I am not happy about this at all there will be phone calls made. We have been meeting there for I don't know how long before I can onto the scene over a year ago and never has there be a problem. For the cops to say that we will not be able to meet there if they find trash, burnout marks, donut marks. ect. Makes me mad because it never happened in the passed with our group. grrrrr So like I said there will be phone calls made.

:tap: I hope there are calls made and protests started....I felt it was really disrespectful for the cops to address us like that since WE have never been disruptive or disrespectful to that property....I hate the fact that these guys messed up and lost their other spot to meet now they are gonna get ours taken from us.......I know there is a lot of animocity from them towards us...so they are not going to be respectful to us

Sadly, I was not there for the "excitement" but I have e-mailed Tacoma's Chief of Police explaining the problem and asking who we need to discuss it with.

Don Ramsdell
Chief of Police
Tacoma, WA

Hi!

My name is Tom Losh, and I've been a resident of this area since 1946. Currently I live in University Place.

The reason I'm writing to you is to ask who we should contact at the Tacoma Police Department about being unfairly blamed for the actions of others, warned by several officers (4 patrol cars), and threatened with ejection from private property (Tacoma Place, 72nd and Hosmer) which we have the permission of the owner's representative to use.

A little background: We are a group of Scion owners with scheduled "Meet and Greet" gatherings around the Pacific Northwest. In western Washington we meet in Olympia the first Friday of each month, Vancouver the first Sunday, Tacoma the second Friday, Seattle the third Friday, Marysville the fourth Friday, along with other meets and events in the area.

(In fact we just had our fifth annual Scion gathering in Seattle, at the Qwest Field parking garage, with just over 350 Scions there. This is something we do. Scion Exposed 5 - Seattle was on Saturday, 06SEP2008, from noon to about 10PM.)

Obviously, not all of us meet at all locations, but some of us do meet at more than one of those locations every month.

In general we contact the property managers for the various parking lots we meet at and get their permission to use their property so long as we are well behaved, do not clog the lot or cause any difficultied for any other users, do not have loud music, drinking, aggressive driving, reving engines, burnouts, etc.

We agree to be civilized, deferential, quiet, and not leave any mess. We initially meet in parking lots because it is not just about the people, but also about the cars. As we usually say, "Meet at 8, eat at 9."

We have met at Tacoma Place, in front of Factory Direct Furniture, every second Friday since February 2007. Many of us then retire to one of the many local restaurants (not always the same one), some of us opt out and continue to chat in the parking lot, some of us go home.

In that time, a police car has often parked a hundred yards north of us and observed us for a while nearly every meet. We have NEVER had a problem in any way with the police or with the property management, we do not drive like idiots (more like the adults we are), and we never leave a mess.

Last night, we met as usual at 8PM, and had 31 cars at the M&G in Tacoma Place. As usual, a TPD car sat and watched us for at least 15 minutes between 8 and 9PM as we milled about greeting friends we hadn't seen for a while, looking at each other's cars, and all gathered in a large circle for introductions and club business.

Just after 9PM a number of us either went to Shari's or drove home, some of us remained in the lot chatting about community and club events and plans.

Some time later, a group of, excuse the term, "Ricers" in mostly loud older Japanese cars (the ones that sound like angry weed whackers) showed up, apparently having been kicked out of Tacoma Mall near the Krispy Kreme.

A short time later, four Tacoma Police cars showed up, gather our group together with the new arrivals and threatened all of us with permanent ejection from the premises if there were any burnouts, any tire marks in the parking lot, any reckless driving any trash, bottles, cans left in the lot, etc. The randomly combined group (Ricers and us) was told that we had caused problems and left a mess the previous Friday.

Excuse me, OUR group was not THERE the previous Friday, we were meeting in Olympia per the schedule that has been published without changes since January of 2007.

See: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=113744 and http://scion.meetup.com/30/calendar/ for schedules. Also see some pictures from our Tacoma M&G's (and other events) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/uuv_one/sets/

A polite and considerate group of adults meeting in the Tacoma Place parking lot with the property manager's permission was arbitrarily blamed, chastised, and threatened by your officers for no reason last night.

This is unacceptable, and needs to be addressed.

Who do we discuss this with?

Thank you very much for your time and attention.

Tom Losh

CC: Cindy
CoreyAnn



(I suspect this may be the people we need to talk to come Monday... http://www.cityoftacoma.org/Page.aspx?hid=2032 )

Tom

WOW if I could write like that I would be a millionaire many times over......love the ricer part......I am angry at being profiled and not listened to by the officer......he was a punk in my opinion.......and would not listento anyone.......had it beena group of 31 Vettes there would never be an issue.......but since it is a group of imports it is assumed we burn donuts,smoke dope and drink,leave trash,and graffiti buildings,race onthe streets,and everything else.......

In reality we drive sexy Camry's and Yaris's.......same drive trane........just sexier.......well the Yaris is sexy on it's own.......but that is a differant story......

If this cannot be worked out we will start scouting for a location that offers restuarants and either a bar or lounge and a place that is safe to park and hang out.......

Thank you Tomas for the wonderful letter. I will follow up with both the Police Dept and the Property Management company on Monday. Please advise if you hear anything back on your end.

Cindy/Brian - Did either of you happen to get cards of the officers who were on scene?

I'm sorry that I wasn't there (was over at Shari's) but I tried to talk to Cindy about it as it was happening.

To everyone - ALWAYS be kind and professional. I don't think that anyone in our group would behave any less but I would say that giving a cop a hard time only makes things worse. Just let them know that we have permission and the other group doesn't.

Also, we will NOT be changing locations and here is why:
-It will lower turnout as in the past we have moved throughout Tacoma and rarely if ever had attendence been over 12 cars.
-It will cause confusion with all of the various places where the current schedule is posted and the flyers that are still around for distribution.
-We have permission and we didn't do anything wrong and leaving makes it seem like we did.
-We have previously moved all over the city and this one has the easiest freeway access, largest "open" lot, largest variety of restaurants, and is the only place that the property manager will allow us (other PMs will not condone us meeting in their lots).

I will get a letter in writing from the PM as to our ability to meet there and I don't want us to "run away" because of the bad influence or the cops. We are in the "right" and have permission to legally meet there.

the only reason I think if it is not resolved is moving is the unneeded hassles we are gonna get month after month...the police do not see us as a club that has permission but just a bunch of imports causing problems......we have become generic intheir eyes.....

Maybe next time one of them parks a 100 yards off and starts watching us we should all jump in our cars and drive over to where he is and introduce ourselves...

(Forget I said that - he'd probably be yelling for reinforcements before we got half way across the lot.)

Again, does anyone have an officer's business card, badge number, car number, license plate or pictures? It would help tremendously to have the information for AT LEAST one of the officers so we can more directly focus on the problem.

Lacking that, does anyone have an accurate time when they showed up so we can go by dispatch records?

Wow, sounds like I missed out on an eventful night. Tomas, you're letter is great. It could not have been said better. I hope we won't get any more trouble in the future... :relief:

this sux......i cant wait to read the reply...maybe we can get our spot back and for good...

There is absolutely no guarantee that the Chief (or his representative) will even respond, but at the very least we are on record as having brought it up.

If there is no response, I wonder how many folks will fit into the lieutenant's office at the 72nd street police substation? :D

Maybe next time one of them parks a 100 yards off and starts watching us we should all jump in our cars and drive over to where he is and introduce ourselves...

(Forget I said that - he'd probably be yelling for reinforcements before we got half way across the lot.)

maybe walk over instead? with a dozen donuts? by the time he calls for reinforcements, there'll be donuts for everybody!

wow! I am interested in how this turns out. I agree with CA you should not look for another space. You have permission and have done nothing wrong.

Damn I wish I would have stuck around for this....I would have loved talking to the officer.
Not that I would have started any trouble for our group but still, we have the right to at least stand up for being in the right. Be nice if we had that PM's approval on paper with us the next time we meet up so that we may show the police that we have the right and that those "RICERS" should be kicked out and ticketed....well that mabye too much. :silly: wishful thinking.

Well I wont be there for the next meet as I will be out to sea but I'll be sure to stop by the chevron across the street and pick up some powdered donuts....and some protein bars.....hey you never know when We'll run into a physically fit officer these days.

Anyways I thought the meet was great. Only my second time being there and this turn out was awesome. Really thought everyone had some great mods.

Tomas is was great actually meeting you face to face. Also to everyone else I look forward to seeing you all again in the next couple of months.

Oh ya and one last thing, whoever that girl was who showed up in the blue lancer or whatever it was....damn fine. Trade that car in, get yourself a scion, and lets do lunch.

Heheheheheheheh... I doubt her husband would like that. :(

lmao ouch!!!!!!

Let me add one more thing in here while I'm thinking of it.

It is the sort of mess the Krispy Kreme Ricers™ have caused at our current Tacoma Place meet point that makes us Instant Death if anyone IN OUR GROUP starts doing the loud music, loud engine revving, burnouts, squealing tires, reckless driving, or any similar attention-getting activities at any Scion events.

Recently there have been several instances where an individual associated with one of our gatherings has broken those rules.

In each case, it was brought up to them.

I hope those individuals fully understand that further breaking of our meet rules, and putting our meets in danger, would get them a request to leave. DO NOT be the one who spoils it for the rest.

Questions? ASK!

http://tijil.org/PSTOC_av.gif

Heheheheheheheh... I doubt her husband would like that. :(

oh damn. Didnt know she was married. My bad who ever the husband is.

Recently there have been several instances where an individual associated with one of our gatherings has broken those rules. :(

Thats my bad as well. Nobody said anything but I had my music going a little loud just to show off my new KENWOOD DNX8120. Wont happen again.

and you know what blowing loud music isnt nothing in my belief....come on?

umm guy maybe we should invite the cops over to see we arent the trouble makers at our meet and greets. seems like a good idea. that way they know we are not at the location to race or even cause trouble. just sit around meeting new people catching up with old friends and showing off new parts we installed in our cars. maybe the parts thing is a little overboard. but you know what if they know why we do it. maybe they will leave us alone if they get to know the key people who are at the meets every month.

i am all good with that...i was just commenting on a message tomas wrote..

hmmmmmm and i missed all the fun LOL

31 cars????? was that all scions or scions and ricers????

were are the pics ????

and blue lancer do you mean blue subie??????

yes, he's talking about Jenn and her blue WRX

That's 30 Scions and a Subie, Mr. B. :)

We didn't count The Krispy Kreme Ricers™... :P

Tom

^ and a white Mazdaspeed :)

Never seen a ricey Speed 3......pretty sure never will.......

i must've been the only "riced out" TC there then....=(

Geez.....seems like we missed all the fun....But hey, this time I got to talk to Gushi for a while down in pit row..Oh and we got cool mini helmets and a Laptop backpack..The downside was the 11 hour drive...To and from..the Monroe track was a LOT BETTER but there was no rain in Cali!

yes it was the blue subie not lancer. my bad.

chris you suck....cant wait to see you when you get back

Did you get any pictures of the racing........IN Sonoma........not in Tacoma.........

Update: So far no response from Jeanette Blackwell (the Chief's secretary where e-mail from the public to the chief goes), and none of the "non-emergency" staff numbers I've tried get a live answer today, just a recording and an opportunity to leave a message. :(

any updates?

Not a peep from the Chief's secretary, no live answers at any of the numbers, in other words, no change. :(

Mo, CoreyAnn? Anything on your end?

I poked at them again with this e-mail...

On September 13, 2008 I sent a quick e-mail to Chief Ramsdell asking for some basic information on who we needed to contact, and how to reach them.

To date we have received no reply or even acknowledgement of receipt.

Since it was directed to your e-mail address by the TPD site, Jeanette, do you have any info you can provide?

Thanks!

Tom Losh
University Place, WA
manager@tech-center.com

(Below is a copy of the original e-mail.)

From: Tom <manager@tech-center.com>
Date: September 13, 2008 12:22:58 PM PDT
To: jblackwe@cityoftacoma.org
Subject: Good morning.
________________

Don Ramsdell
Chief of Police
Tacoma, WA
...
------- ><:
SNIP!

and got

Good Afternoon. I sent your e-mail to Operations for review and follow up. My apology for not acknowledging your original e-mail.

Jeanette Blackwell
Administrative Services Manager
Office of the Chief of Police
Tacoma Police Department
(253) 591-5905

Thomas you rock!!!

That still just means they are sniffing at it, but at least we know it is there, and what group is sniffing.

that is true...but communication back from them at least lets you know they have acknowledged it

OK...

This just popped into my in box, and I thought I'd share it with you folks...

Mr. Losh,

My name is Lieutenant Bart Hayes. I am the swing shift commander here at TPD which means that for the most part I supervise all of the patrol officers that work the street from the hours of 1 PM to 11 PM. I received your complaint today regarding the gathering at the Tacoma Place.


In reviewing the complaint, it looks like the officers lumped you in with the “ricers” and blamed your group for the problems that they caused. While I am glad that our officers are actively patrolling these parking areas, I apologize for the fact that they threatened your group with being trespassed instead of only directing the warning to the other group.

I will address the swing shift officers at our daily briefing on Monday and advise them about your concerns. I will also advise the patrol Sergeants in that area to monitor the situation and let me know if there are any problems.

I hope this is satisfactory to you. Please feel free to contact me at the phone number listed below if you have any further concerns.

Sincerely,

T/Lt. Bart Hayes

Swing Shift Commander

Tacoma Police Department

(w) (253) ___-____

(c) (253) ___-____
(Phone numbers redacted.)

CoreyAnn? Mo? Have you folks gotten together with the Property Manager again to re-affirm our permissions (and get it in writing if at all possible)?

BTW, does this mean that The Krispy Kreme Ricers™ are now officially ricers? :lol:

:rofl: @ricers....

wow now thats taking care of business right there mr...
and it is very nice to see that they somewhat listened and didnt group us scions all togetherwith the ricers. and giving us a fair shake.....

Just to keep you informed, I responded directly to Lt. Hayes...

Lieutenant Bart Hayes
Tacoma Police Department

Thank you for your reply, sir! :o)

This incident has given us a renewed opportunity to discuss on-line on one of our forums (Which you or your officers are more than welcome to observe or participate in!) our strict rules on how we behave at these monthly meetings.

Our only problem with the incident last Friday night was being lumped with the "ricers" and being threatened with trespass actions when we were in no way involved.

So long as your folks patrolling the area recognize that not everyone standing in a parking lot is a bad guy we actually welcome their being there. :o)

We've considered in the past going over to the "watcher in the shadows" and introducing ourselves, but at the same time considered that the officer might feel threatened to suddenly have 30 cars he is watching headed his way. 8^O

Perhaps next time we meet there (second Monday next month, 8PM), the officer watching might want to drive over and introduce himself. We really don't bite, and would enjoy the visit.

Again, thank you very much for your response. We look forward to a closer relationship with the officers keeping our neighborhoods safe.

Take care,
Tom Losh
University Place, WA
manager@tech-center.com
(253) 282 6___ (cell)

tomas seriously invite the police to the event let them get to know the people who show up from our group as how responsible we truely are of the property and the sounding buisnesses.

Yup. That is one reason I included the invitation in my instant response to Lt. Hayes for his patrol officers to stop by and introduce themselves, and for us, in turn to introduce ourselves to them.

I feel that once the officers know and recognize us as individual real live human beings (and us them), the problems we might have could simply vanish.

In fact, if they regularly stop by and say hi, WE can help keep THEM informed of any problems WE have observed - and of course vice versa.

Heck, I'd even be happy to give him a Starbucks card for a cup of coffee and a doughnut... :D

Great job at being proactive in this Tomas! Great job!

Quick response! :)

Tom,
I can’t promise the officer will come over but I will let the guys know you are available to chat.

Take care,

T/Lt. Bart Hayes
Swing Shift Commander
Tacoma Police Department
(w) (253) 830-____
(c) (253) 405-____

Hey tomas, just an idea but maybe look in the evo forums and see if they have an assigned meet (i think that it was evo's that were there :question: ) and just see if you can get in touch with someone over there that can help them locate a new meeting place so you guys don't get in trouble for their behavior???

wait wait it was evo's that showed up?????

thems are some hot cars those are not ricers LOL i thought this whole time the honda crew came over and messed things up. now those are ricers not evo's

umm lol evo can easily be ricers out...lol but yeah for the most part they are nice cars

I was not there at the time of the confrontation with the police, but earlier the cars cruising through and parking 50 feet to our north were ratty Hondas - my assumption was that is what had been chased out of the Tacoma Mall near Krispy Kreme. If someone can provide better info, please do...

(Personally, I'm putting a copy of the e-mail in Vanilla's glove box for the next Tacoma M&G...)

http://tijil.org/tacopo_letter.jpg (http://tijil.org/TPD_Scion_01.pdf)

we got crashed by a lot full of ricers from KK.........it is the week before that Evos have their meet in the lot.

Just to keep you informed, I responded directly to Lt. Hayes...

Lieutenant Bart Hayes
Tacoma Police Department

Thank you for your reply, sir! :o)

This incident has given us a renewed opportunity to discuss on-line on one of our forums (Which you or your officers are more than welcome to observe or participate in!) our strict rules on how we behave at these monthly meetings.

Our only problem with the incident last Friday night was being lumped with the "ricers" and being threatened with trespass actions when we were in no way involved.

So long as your folks patrolling the area recognize that not everyone standing in a parking lot is a bad guy we actually welcome their being there. :o)

We've considered in the past going over to the "watcher in the shadows" and introducing ourselves, but at the same time considered that the officer might feel threatened to suddenly have 30 cars he is watching headed his way. 8^O

Perhaps next time we meet there (second Monday next month, 8PM), the officer watching might want to drive over and introduce himself. We really don't bite, and would enjoy the visit.

Again, thank you very much for your response. We look forward to a closer relationship with the officers keeping our neighborhoods safe.

Take care,
Tom Losh
University Place, WA
manager@tech-center.com
(253) 282 6___ (cell)


^hope you didn't say Monday :nails: Don't wanna lie to the cops!

Whoops! I'll do a follow-up on that to Lt. Hayes.

I guess his speaking to HIS troops on Monday got Monday stuck in my head. *sigh*

Thanks for catching that, Erik!

Tom

Correction sent off...

this is great news

That is so cool. Of course, I"m just curious...You dont think they would eventually give us tickets for the upgrades to our cars do you ? I mean I got pulled over the other day and the officer threatened to ticket me for having other exhaust than the standard factory exhaust. Course I guess they would have ticketed us already.

If there is a modification to one's vehicle that is unlawful, one can expect to be ticketed for it if an officer decides to.

Officers fairly often, though DO NOT know the actual laws, but only think they do, and ticket for things that are within the regs.

Those can, and should, be fought in court, but one should bring enough information from reliable sources to show the modification is legal.

Let's face it, folks, ANYPLACE a group of cars meets in public is going to get attention - we do already at every one of our meet points.

(This is but one reason we come down hard on attendees who race their engines, drive like squirrels, or play music really loudly - most folks with mods do NOT want to attract the attention of the officers lurking in the background, often just waiting for such an opportunity...)

Bottom line is that if you don't want a ticket that will stick, don't break the law... :)

(Heck, there are a couple of little twists in the otherwise stock appearing Vanilla that some officers might even decide to ticket.)

CoreyAnn and Mo... Any word on your re-confirming Tacoma M&G location permissions?