Hi!

I haven't bought an xB yet, but I plan to buy one in the next year.

I am pretty much sold on all of the TRD mods except the quickshifter. I was going to go aftermartket with rims as the TRD are too much $$$$.

Also, will there be new colors coming out later? Would be interesting.

I was hoping for aout 115hp with the cold air intake and the different muffler. Is that resonable?

Any interior or exterior mods that are of questionable quality? I'm not into the graphics or lights, would rather keep it simple, more euro.

Thanks for any insights/help.

all you need is springs/shock and wheel package!
thats it!

You'll be lucky to see 100 real whp with $1000 worth of headers, intakes, and exhausts. Just buy some rims, get some coilovers, and concentrate on looking cool.

whatever you like is worth the money

I recomend visiting the www.precisionmuffler.com website for other items. Visit the scion central for the coolest stuff! :D

I was hoping for aout 115hp with the cold air intake and the different muffler. Is that resonable?

No... The engine is rated at 108hp. That's not gonna change with those mods. You'll only free up a few horses lost on the way to the wheels. They can help with gas mileage as well

However, as stated above, the best mods will be wheels and springs. I would suggest a custom interior and sound system. Maybe some video entertainment. Make sure you invest in a quality arlarm. Buy lots of car care products to keep it clean, and don't concern yourself too much with hp numbers unless you plan on going all out. :wink:

-THE DON

If you look at a dyno chart, you see that whatever benefits you get from intake and exhaust mods, they don't really kick in until the top end of your rev range, like 5000-6000 rpm. Even then, you're not going to feel much (if anything) in the seat of your pants, like that big old hand-o-God push in the back you get with really serious horsepower.

But if you want to go with intake and exhaust mods, you should get headers and a cat-back system to go with it, otherwise a low flow muffler doesn't mean much except a different sound and a fatter tailpipe tip. There are cheaper options than the TRD stuff for that.

As far as interior stuff goes, the cargo cover is a piece of crap.

He says 115hp...not whp

I/H/E make 7whp so that puts him near 120hp

are you lookin to go fast. your buying the wrong car ;)

springs and body are the only thing this car is worth doing.

want a race car? go buy a Corvette ;)

Note:

115 bhp is not a significant change.

I am not looking to go all that fast, just a little bump in hp. Mainly for things mentioned (better milage from better flow, possibly a little better acceleration on the highway).

I might pass on the TRD exhaust and go aftermarket cat-back. Probably more real flow and a better sound.

I agree that the overall vehicle is more about show than go, but a little extra bump in power is probably appropriate for highway cruising.

Besides, real performance is what you own a motorcycle for!

Thanks for the replies thusfar.

The cat back helps a little but than it makes the lag of power more noticable.

All you need is springs, shocks/struts, and wheels. My K&N panel filter made a little difference...the main purpose I purchased it wasn't for hp, but for ease of maintenance. Much easier to wash and reoil a K&N than it is for me to get to a Toyota dealership.

if u have a manual,
the TRD Short Shifter is an AWESOME mod!
i think its the one mod that i enjoy
EVERYDAY when i drive slow, fast,
or just kicking it..

A bolt on axle back from precisionmuffler.com will ensure that you can remove the muffler whenever you need to with out cutting up anything. :D

if u have a manual,
the TRD Short Shifter is an AWESOME mod!
i think its the one mod that i enjoy
EVERYDAY when i drive slow, fast,
or just kicking it..

yup do nothing but get this mod. the best for the money and a cool TRD shift knob too

Its only good if you drive your car stock for a month or 2 so that you can truly appreciate how much a difference the TRD makes

Its only good if you drive your car stock for a month or 2 so that you can truly appreciate how much a difference the TRD makes

or even a precisionmuffler.com axle back :D

ahhh just add a Zex system :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

If you can drive stick, get one.
You can use the savings to buy lights, wheels, etc.
Plus you keep all the HP that you'll lose on the automatic.

i would say buy the k&n intake cuz thats supossed to give u 8-10 horse and then a header and full exhaust and then some lowering springs and sway bars and strut bars and that car should be quick and handle really good :)

I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!

did u get a tornado?
u might up your engine upgrades to another extra 100HP..

Or try the precisionmuffler.com cat-back system. This was my fourth mod in the first month of owning my xB. Nice sound too. The first three were window tint. Goldline 2" springs and 19" HP Racing rims.
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Thanks for the props Matchbox. :D We are only selling axle backs right now, but we are selling the magnaflow catbacks on our site. :)

:arrow: $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, :roll:
:arrow: K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+ :roll:
:arrow: ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, :roll:
:arrow: headers $89.99 15 hp+, :?:
:arrow: performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ :roll:
:arrow: electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. ROTFL
>>>>>>>>>>>

OK, I know extremely little about cars, but your numbers seem to be quoted from marketing materials and not reality.

Best mods for the xB would be a quality brace for the front, a coilover system, some 17 or 18 inch rims and sticky tires.

I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!



Man, is this guy susceptible to advertising. How many Ronco products do you own? :lol:

$8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+
K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+
ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+
headers $89.99 15 hp+
performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+
electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay.

OK, I know extremely little about cars, but your numbers seem to be quoted from marketing materials and not reality.

EXACTLY. No disrespect, this is all marketing ploys. If you really believe you are getting any of these gains please get this dyno'd and show us the results. Maybe if the wind is blowing in the right direction you'll get 4+ hp as well.

I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!



Are you SERIOUS??? At first, was thinking that was a sarcastic response... But now I am not so sure..... First, the xB doesnt have plug wires...Then, there is no such thing as a belt driven turbo. That would be a supercharger. There is NO way you are going to get 25hp from an electric s/c. Wow, that was pretty funny sh*t. Anyways, I did a 18"rim and tire setup, DC strut bar, Stillen axle back, DC header, K&N intake, TRD grounding kit, Hotchkis sways and Eibach springs. I am happy with my upgrades..

Then, there is no such thing as a belt driven turbo. That would be a supercharger.

actually, there is one - just not very common. The belt drive is clutched and is only active during the turbo lag phase of the turbo spool up. - basically - it's to eliminate the lack of power during turbo lag and to eliminate the parasitic drag of a belt driven supercharger (since the clutch deactivates the belt) ... is supposed to be a 'best of both worlds' deal...

If all thies things dont work then why the hell do people buy them? My bad on the turbo thing, it is a supercharger it only blows in air. But my point is that all thies items do make improvements on your vehicles performance. If your educated enought to take the time to read books and magazines on performance parts, Its simple physics that make improvements. Look at cable tv for example, if someone taps into your cable line illegaly, you loose signal strength. Well if you dont ground your cables correctly your spark plugs wont ignite to its fullest potential causing slight ignition delays which are in Microseconds but create poor performance. It also grounds your headlights and other electronic devices that drain the alternator from its minimal recommended output. My air intake chip bypasses the sensor sending a signal to the computer that my air temperature is lower than it really is cause more air/gas ratio intake equaling more horsepower. K&N air filter allows higher air intake while still cleaning the air properly. This is a numbers game. But if hot rodders didn't think that all this little "marketing" stuff didn't work then why are thies company's making millions of dollars. All professional racing companys use them and buy them why shouldn't I ?

My car does run better then when i first purchased it. I can tell because all the 5 speen manual scions I've raced can't see my car after all my add'ons. And I have an Automattic. How about that.

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P.S. I have a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger w/ a 318 Crate block Diemon quad carb with dual anti slip pozy tracktion. So I know my cars and I have most of the same mods on my Swinger and that makes a huge differance !!!

Peace !

If all thies things dont work then why the hell do people buy them? My bad on the turbo thing, it is a supercharger it only blows in air. But my point is that all thies items do make improvements on your vehicles performance. If your educated enought to take the time to read books and magazines on performance parts, Its simple physics that make improvements. Look at cable tv for example, if someone taps into your cable line illegaly, you loose signal strength. Well if you dont ground your cables correctly your spark plugs wont ignite to its fullest potential causing slight ignition delays which are in Microseconds but create poor performance. It also grounds your headlights and other electronic devices that drain the alternator from its minimal recommended output. My air intake chip bypasses the sensor sending a signal to the computer that my air temperature is lower than it really is cause more air/gas ratio intake equaling more horsepower. K&N air filter allows higher air intake while still cleaning the air properly. This is a numbers game. But if hot rodders didn't think that all this little "marketing" stuff didn't work then why are thies company's making millions of dollars. All professional racing companys use them and buy them why shouldn't I ?

My car does run better then when i first purchased it. I can tell because all the 5 speed manual scions I've raced can't see my car after all my add'ons. And I have an Automattic. How about that.

http://img72.exs.cx/img72/1952/sciongreeting8px.th.png

P.S. I have a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger w/ a 318 Crate block Diemon quad carb with dual anti slip pozy tracktion. So I know my cars and I have most of the same mods on my Swinger and that makes a huge differance !!!

Peace !

A.) Because a large portion of the modding market don't know any better.
B.) There's a difference between marketing numbers and reality. A grounding kit may improve response, etc and POSSIBLY give you like +1HP. :? But the true "hot rodders" already know what works and what doesn't. A professional racing company has money to burn- if whatever exotic mod gets them +1HP or a quarter of a second faster times...........it was worth it.
C.) They can't see your car because of the tears streaming out of their eyes. :lol:

Ok, my bad. Let me know when your hair dryer makes your toaster super fast!


But since you have an old car you must know what your talking about..................yeah. But seriously, your numbers are way way way optimistic. There is no way some ground wires are gonna give you 7hp etc. etc. etc.

:arrow: $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, :roll:
:arrow: K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+ :roll:
:arrow: ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, :roll:
:arrow: headers $89.99 15 hp+, :?:
:arrow: performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ :roll:
:arrow: electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. ROTFL
>>>>>>>>>>>



Ah... if performance gains were only this easy.... and real!
:wink:

I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!!

I will make you a deal, go get your car dyno'ed and if your mods add up to even 35 hp I will pay for all your mods and the cost of the dyno report and I am dead serious.

Also your hairdryer that does not run off the exhaust like a turbo, or off a belt like a supercharger, runs off of electrical current, which draws off your alternator, which IS connected to your MOTOR via a BELT :shock:

ROTFLSHIPOM

rolling on the floof laughing so hard I ____ed on myself :lol:

I'll hold you up to that deal. 2005 VVTI scion have stock 108 Hp right? Well give me some time to find out where I can get a dyno and I'll proove to you guys that small modifications are worth it. I'm southern Ca. Repo man so I work nights, so it will be a while befor I can get one. But I'll hold you to your word !!!

You go boy, if you can get 65 hp for 500 bucks EVERYBODY will be following you to the parts store, including me. Now don't go sneaking and dropping a 50 shot nitrous on your box... 8)

I say we all go get our cars dyno'd together so we can see what stock is running and what this modded car is running. I'll be willing to do that, and if there is even a 35 hp gain, I will pitch in and help pay for the mods as well.

Don't want this to fall away.
We need some results.

I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!

LOL, you think you add up the hp gains that these companies quote with their parts? You might have gained 2 or 3 at most in the upper end. Don't be so naive.

Caliman, been to the dyno yet??? I have my money waiting, where is your report??? I am dying for you to prove me wrong, no really I am !!!

:idea:
I know all the above mentioned performance claims are just heresay... however, I found a *very* interesting article in "Wards Auto World" about development of a real electric supercharger and the technical problems they are trying to overcome. Here's an excerpt and the link...
:shock:

"...European auto makers are encouraging Visteon Corp. to develop an electrically powered supercharging system that will improve performance of small engines. The supercharger is needed because internal combustion engine/electric hybrids ...for the most part remain just out of reach...
Visteon engineers are working with customers on engine projects for 2005-2006 that will use the Visteon Torque Enhancement System, or VTES, with a 12/14-volt electrical system...In the VTES system, the compressor is powered by a brushless electric motor that turns an aluminum alloy compressor at 50,000 rpm — just 330 milliseconds after the driver demands acceleration... Visteon has a dozen patents on aspects of its supercharger system, which has been in development for three years.

http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_visteon_eyes_electric/

Still waiting.........................................................

I got 5 on it.

maufacturers can say these things because they always throw in a statement such as "We perform internal dyno (power curve) testing on all our product designs. Our replacement filters are designed to provide a 2 to 4 percent horsepower increase. Your results will vary depending on your vehicle, driving habits, load on the engine (towing for example), existing air system restriction, and other factors. "

I worked for an aftermarket manufacturer for years in the Engineering R&D department. It was a constant battle with Marketing because they always wanted to overstate our test numbers by a certain percentage and then throw a legalize statement like the one above in.

Hopefully your car building capabilities are better than your spelling. If so you know that an automotive engine is nothing but an airpump. The more air in and out and the faster you can do it is the only way to build power. With Computer controled cars it is much harder to build power. If you want to build horsepower then you need to remove restrictions in the airpath (mostly once the air enters the intake and not the air filter tube) but still leave enough rough surface to better atomonize the fuel particles. Unshroud the intake valve area and polish the head surfaces. Unshroud the exhaust ports and polish to a smooth surface. Port match both the intake and exhaust inlets / outlets to remove airway obstruction. The most obstructive areas will be the intake and exhaust porting in the block. Everything else will show minimal effects at best.

And yes, I have a degree in mechanical engineering and flow dynamics. I have built a 700 hp porshe 914, a 946 hp chevelle, a 390hp camaro SS, and a 167 hp CBR 600 F2.

:idea:
I know all the above mentioned performance claims are just heresay... however, I found a *very* interesting article in "Wards Auto World" about development of a real electric supercharger and the technical problems they are trying to overcome. Here's an excerpt and the link...
:shock:

"...European auto makers are encouraging Visteon Corp. to develop an electrically powered supercharging system that will improve performance of small engines. The supercharger is needed because internal combustion engine/electric hybrids ...for the most part remain just out of reach...
Visteon engineers are working with customers on engine projects for 2005-2006 that will use the Visteon Torque Enhancement System, or VTES, with a 12/14-volt electrical system...In the VTES system, the compressor is powered by a brushless electric motor that turns an aluminum alloy compressor at 50,000 rpm — just 330 milliseconds after the driver demands acceleration... Visteon has a dozen patents on aspects of its supercharger system, which has been in development for three years.

http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_visteon_eyes_electric/

I saw something like that at www.boosthead.com.

yes most parts companies lie about performance gains. there are alot of ads for low end stuff like oil and sparkplugs that say you gain 7+ horsepower blah blah blah blah. what they dont tell you is that all those gains are from changing the oil and sparkplugs on 1000 horsepower drag cars. so do the math. . .7 hp is .7% of 1000. so take your so called hp gains and just use the simple math. your gaining maybe 2-3 horsepower off all that. after years of working on cars it seems you wouldnt fall prey to weak marketing ploys :shock:

Still waiting............

i am soooo wanting to see the dyno reports on this!! i will also help pay for the mods!!!!

nice set of coilover

wow, caliman is almost as smart as my friend who thought that police cars were fast because "they have two engines".

wow.

One of my first mods was the precisionmuffler.com Magnaflow axle back. I highly recommend it for its look and exhaust note -- both qualities I appreciate every day driving the xB. Additionally, Gabe is just a cool dude with great customer service... truly a nice guy. (Still owe you $2 for a sticker, bro. Haven't had the chance to drive down to visit from Redwood City!)

:)

I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!

You're hilarious.

watch him make 8 horse and be livid.

:arrow: $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, :roll:
:arrow: K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+ :roll:
:arrow: ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, :roll:
:arrow: headers $89.99 15 hp+, :?:
:arrow: performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ :roll:
:arrow: electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. ROTFL
>>>>>>>>>>>

OK, I know extremely little about cars, but your numbers seem to be quoted from marketing materials and not reality.

Best mods for the xB would be a quality brace for the front, a coilover system, some 17 or 18 inch rims and sticky tires.

So true.. Most of these mods don't do anything... and if they do give some power, it is only a fraction of what is advertized. The engine is already pretty much optimized by Toyota. There is some power to be found, but at a cost. A better breathing exhaust system with less back pressure will yield some HP, but at the expense of low end torque. So this will hurt drivability and the extra power will only be felt in the upper rpms. Those resistor chips that fool the air intake temp sensor to thinking that the air is cold all the time will cause the engine to run rich under most conditions causing less MPG and in some cases making the car run slower.
An engine is nothing more than an air pump. The more air you can get in and out of the engine, the more power it will make. When you increase the air you need to increase the fuel to make more power. If you can't do all aspects of these things, you are not making more power. A large air intake wont help if the exhaust system can't get rid of the extra air. If the heads can't handle the extra air flow, then a large exhaust, intake are not going to help.

In summary, if you want a fast car.... buy a fast car...
mike

My TWO whopping mods are the K&N air filter and the Progressive Technology rear swaybar. The K&N does make a teeninesiest difference as the engine winds up but mostly provides ear candy. The rear sway does wonders to improve the overall handling for the xB. It makes the stock car more predictable and stable while helping to flatten out the body roll even more.

I am ussualy the one who says to each his own. However, those HP gains are a bit fluffed. Honestly cruise your car man. Slow down take the time for the ladies to see you and the cops to drive on by. xB is a nice cheap car, get some monitors/dvd/system and cruise.

Buy a project car strip the puppy and take that to the track.

That is actually my plan. I am about ready to buy a scion and pick up a 1970 Datsun 510 for the track/drifing. I guess that old saying is true "Don't use an AK to kill flies" .

One of my first mods was the precisionmuffler.com Magnaflow axle back. I highly recommend it for its look and exhaust note -- both qualities I appreciate every day driving the xB. Additionally, Gabe is just a cool dude with great customer service... truly a nice guy. (Still owe you $2 for a sticker, bro. Haven't had the chance to drive down to visit from Redwood City!)

:)

Dude, don't even trip off of the $2 bucks. :D I pass these out to whoever asks me. :)

Still waiting..........

Give it up Criag. As much as everyone would enjoy a good laugh, Caliman is never going to respond. Hasn't since January...

Go all out with the suspension. The xB has crazy good handling even stock.

shhhh, you're ruining all my fun.




:P