In an interesting move DRAG Turbo would like to develop a turbo kit for a Scion Tc. This would be a partial sponsorship. The cost that individual that is selected would be $2500.00. This would include the R&D and a full kit for your Scion Tc.

Requirements:

1. Stock Scion Tc
2. Car needs to be with Drag for 3 weeks
3. Partial sponsorship
4. Logo placement on car
5. Must be local in Southern California


You can contact me via email at

karmasi16@hotmail.com

Re: Drag Turbo kit

thats alot for using someones car to test on and have for 3 weeks. all the other development cars that I've seen are full sponsorships

You have to take into account that DRAG turbo is a very well known company.

Also a Turbo kit for a car are in the range of $3500- 4K now a days. So your saving $1k to $1500.00. Also you get to say that you have the first Drag Turbo kit for a Scion Tc.

and you get a sticker :lol:

how much hp are they plannin to produce...if it's not that much then it's not worth it no? or when they get an upgrade do u still get discount for the upgraded package?

You have to take into account that DRAG turbo is a very well known company.

Also a Turbo kit for a car are in the range of $3500- 4K now a days. So your saving $1k to $1500.00. Also you get to say that you have the first Drag Turbo kit for a Scion Tc.

in other words, a cheap, one-off prototype that may or may not blow your motor.

what sort of insurance/protection are you offering to the owner of the test car?

You have to take into account that DRAG turbo is a very well known company.

Also a Turbo kit for a car are in the range of $3500- 4K now a days. So your saving $1k to $1500.00. Also you get to say that you have the first Drag Turbo kit for a Scion Tc.

in other words, a cheap, one-off prototype that may or may not blow your motor.

what sort of insurance/protection are you offering to the owner of the test car?

i have a drag kit on my teg it was pretty good for the money. but i would like to know the insurance/protection also.

Sounds like a bad deal to me.

If you are to donate your car for R&D... with a TURBO none the less...

It better be a full sponsorship.

If you go partial and something goes wrong... POP, detonation, piston burning, etc... they may not be liable... considering you PAID them.

Think about it.

Love your tC.... NA is plenty good
tC is Plenty Good

In a "SPONSORSHIP" scenario like described in post one here... it's a Play at your own RISK.

Yeah I'm tempted because I really dont have a money tree out back yet, AND live in So. Cal. but like the others have said, what guarantees are there and all that other nice info...

and why is it under corner carvers

that price is $1k more than the 3 other turbo sponsors I have gotten for different cars. When I asked a shop for sponsorship on my xB they said $1800 and that was with the best parts and add ons, research, dyno, tuning, exhaust, and installation.

But then again if you don't know jack about a car and couldn't install a turbo...you're looking to spend upwards of $800 on installation alone so the kits costing you $1700.

well known doesn't always equal good quality...look at APC

and look at AIM the airbag company

I've known Herman Chan of DRAG for a long time and he makes a quality product.

If you guys are worried about quality control and insurance the Greddy kit should be ready by springtime, just wait for that.

If you live in SoCal and don't mind making a decent investment for a quality turbo system. contact them.

I just hope the fuel enrichment system is a electronic solution and not a mechincal one (FMU).

I am sorry but that is not a decent deal... 3 weeks without a car... You pay $2500? That is still covering actual cost if not over the actual cost of the system. That just really sounds like a "hook up" deal from a friend that works at a shop. If you are going to have a sponsorship that isnt full, you should at least do a 1$ for 1$.. Basically meaning it being half off.

This is why SCION GIVES tC's to folks like GREDDY.
Yup, that's not a customer car, that's a corporate car. (if you didn't already know)

Scion, like MANY other manufacturers "LOAN" models out to reputable companies for R&D. Then they return them to the manufacturer, who does what they wish with them.

In Scion's case, they will tour them.

Kinda disturbing to read these comments.. What are you guys expecting? You are getting a turbo kit.. for at least a grand cheaper than retail. Why do people always feel that they should be given something for nothing? Only in America.

You guys should be greatful that these smaller companys are stepping up to the plate to build turbo kits and parts for the Scion. At least someone is showing a vested interest in your car! However, these company's aren't Greddy.. or HKS.. so don't expect something for nothing. I'd rather put my money down on the smaller shop building a badass turbo kit.. than Greddy.. who uses crappy, outdated turbochargers, and shoddy engine management. Greddy is aimed at making money.. not making power.

Travis

I've been involved in turbo projects...
When a company is R&Ding ... there is NO WAY someone should pay for it.

I've seen many turbo kits traded for R&D on donated vehicle.

Not one has EVER PAID for it.

No one ever should either.

If the R&D goes bad... the paying party loses. BIG TIME.

It's how a real business, that trusts it's investments, works.

A company that has no faith in their investment will have someone else PAY to have it installed on their car.

My suggestion to anyone even CONSIDERING paying to play R&D Lab Rat... Snap out of it.

Then you guys are going to be hard up for turbo kits... I ALWAYS ask the customer to at least cover the materials costs. However, I guarantee the engine/kit. For instance.. if I blow up the engine in the R&D process, or if anything breaks during testing.. I cover it 100%, no questions asked. I am fairly confident in my ability though, and I haven't lost a motor in R&D to this date. I have never recieved one complaint about people having to pay for materials when I do R&D. I think you'll find that 99% of the shops that you go to.. will tell you the same thing. I do this for a living, and I am friends with owners of at least 2 dozen shops. Each and every one of them does the same thing that I do.

Travis

No need to get defensive. Just sponsor it. Why cheap out on a customer? A success = many $ thanks to your R&D subject.

It makes sense. It's how the people I've dealt with have done it for Years. One Free R&D is nothing when you are selling $3500-$5000 Turbo Systems.

I think that is how most of us "in the know" feel about it, know how it is, and expect the better to be.

I'm sorry if this rains on your parade, but it's business.

Doesn't rain on my parade.. I've got several people willing to spend money to have a nice, quality product made. :)

I mean, I've only been doing this for 4 years.. but what do I know? ;)

Travis

Then you guys are going to be hard up for turbo kits... I ALWAYS ask the customer to at least cover the materials costs. However, I guarantee the engine/kit. For instance.. if I blow up the engine in the R&D process, or if anything breaks during testing.. I cover it 100%, no questions asked. I am fairly confident in my ability though, and I haven't lost a motor in R&D to this date. I have never recieved one complaint about people having to pay for materials when I do R&D. I think you'll find that 99% of the shops that you go to.. will tell you the same thing. I do this for a living, and I am friends with owners of at least 2 dozen shops. Each and every one of them does the same thing that I do.

Travis


I'd rather have a company who has proven yearly success and reputation rather then a small one who has people with just four years of experience.

But thats just my opinion...

Then you guys are going to be hard up for turbo kits
I doubt it, the tC is too popular of a car. There people waitning months to get this ride :roll: like me, 2 and counting :roll: .

For instance.. if I blow up the engine in the R&D process, or if anything breaks during testing.. I cover it 100%, no questions asked.
Well I would hope so that's my freakin car. Do you feel as if your doing the customer a favor, by replacing what you messed (kinder word) up?

In conclusion anyone taking this deal MUST be insane. You want me to get up my car for :shock: 3 weeks :o after I wait however long for it. AND PAY for R&D on my car. Oh and that not forget me paying so you can slap a giant sticker on their too.

WHERE'S THE HOOKUP!!

[quote="TeamMightyMiniz"]This is why SCION GIVES tC's to folks like GREDDY.
quote]

And is why, I already have a GReddy turbo on the way for me!

GReddy and Turbonetics, are the two best leading turbo makers out on the market today.

Why? Their overall products, and customer friendly staff. I've never heard of this Drag thing, I know it's in So. Cal, but still, everyone here in my area knows about GReddy and Turbonetics.

Also, that's a really really really BAD deal. Partial Sponsership, cut me a break, if I have to give up my ride for a month, I want a full sponsership, and everything to still be covered by you guys for a free fix if you blow up my motor.

just my 2 cents

And is why, I already have a GReddy turbo on the way for me!



What do you know that we dont!

[quote=TeamMightyMiniz]This is why SCION GIVES tC's to folks like GREDDY.
quote]

And is why, I already have a GReddy turbo on the way for me!

GReddy and Turbonetics, are the two best leading turbo makers out on the market today.

Why? Their overall products, and customer friendly staff. I've never heard of this Drag thing, I know it's in So. Cal, but still, everyone here in my area knows about GReddy and Turbonetics.

Also, that's a really really really BAD deal. Partial Sponsership, cut me a break, if I have to give up my ride for a month, I want a full sponsership, and everything to still be covered by you guys for a free fix if you blow up my motor.

just my 2 cents

lol :roll: drag uses turbonetics. also greddy IS NOT a leading turbo maker.

[quote=TeamMightyMiniz]This is why SCION GIVES tC's to folks like GREDDY.
quote]

And is why, I already have a GReddy turbo on the way for me!

GReddy and Turbonetics, are the two best leading turbo makers out on the market today.

Why? Their overall products, and customer friendly staff. I've never heard of this Drag thing, I know it's in So. Cal, but still, everyone here in my area knows about GReddy and Turbonetics.

Also, that's a really really really BAD deal. Partial Sponsership, cut me a break, if I have to give up my ride for a month, I want a full sponsership, and everything to still be covered by you guys for a free fix if you blow up my motor.

just my 2 cents

lol :roll: drag uses turbonetics. also greddy IS NOT a leading turbo maker.

actually...greddy IS a leading turbo maker. i dont know where you have been, but outside of honda turbo kits, greddy is one of the leading turbos when it comes to high performance toyota cars such as supras and mr2s. turbos i am speaking of are anywhere rangine from a td05-16g to t67 to t88 turbos which are used on some of the 800hp supras and 400hp mr2s.

you keep telling yourself that buddy.

arguing over the GREDDY turbo is not going to change the fact that the posted "sponsorship" is a rip. :roll:

Oh well... it doesn't make a difference to me whether you guys agree with me or not. I have turned people away who wanted to pay about 1500.00 less and who would gladly wait a month for it. In the end, I'll have a reliable, functional and beautiful kit out there.

Oh, and by the way... Those shiny, expensive Greddy kits that you speak of.. Guess who makes them? Not Greddy.. That's for sure. Greddy contracts out almost 100% of thier product out to "smaller shops".. They also use cheap, out-dated turbochargers. Do I need to break out compressor/turbine charts for Mitsubishi turbochargers to prove a point? Ask Greddy what happened when they tried to use thier Holy Grail of "engine management" on the 350z. The emanage cost them 4 engines in R&D.. at WAY less power levels than what we are seeing reliably out of the "small shops" around the country.

You put me head to head with Greddy.. or any of the other over-priced, "leading" retailers out there.. and I promise you.. that this "small shop" will make more power, reliably, and cheaper than they could ever dream of. You want results.. well here you go.

http://www.fi-r.com/images/661whp%20Dyno%20Chart.jpg

Where's Greddy's 700+ bhp SR20DET? Oh wait.. they don't have one.

http://www.fi-r.com/images/391whp.jpg

Where's Greddy's 475 bhp SE-R Spec V? Or anyone else's for that matter?

Another?

http://www.fi-r.com/images/specv-turbo-tec2-pump.jpg

So, please, don't insult my intelligence as a competent tuner/builder. Just because we sell our parts at a reasonable price, and actually put some personal blood, sweat and tears into it.. doesn't mean that we are "inferior".

And if we ask politely, for someone to donate a car for testing.. and give them a couple grand break on a turbo system.. why is that so horrible? There are fab shops out there who build custom turbo kits on a daily basis for people. Do you think that they get a break on price? If anything.. it costs them more usually! So, I fail to see the logic... except that this is typical American attitude.. about wanting "something for nothing". Well, I don't buy it my friend. And before you snap back at me.. take the time to glance under my screen name. I pay money out of my pocket every month to be here. I do care.. and I want to develop some nice stuff for the Scion. But, the attitude that I see.. sucks. And it's totaly unlike the guys in the Nissan camp. Those guys are GRATEFUL when someone takes the time to build something new. This is more than just money to me. This is a hobby, and something that I enjoy doing. You guys should learn to see it that way too.

Travis

Makes me wish i lived in south cal id like to meet you, you seem like a strait up kinda guy that is passonate about what he does damn your right there might be too maney kids buying Tc's than people that understand how things work as for me i hear that most companies dont sponser you unless you put down like 10k on a car and get your name out there then you get sponsors. me im willing to refinace my Tc next year to work a super charger into the car untill then im putting a cold air, new spring, new audio, new video system, altinator, upgraded battery and more to the car till i can put down the 4k for the kit all out of poket to me ill work 2 jobs to get it done and im proud that i can say that i didnt need a sponsore to do it. So heres to all the people out there who work hard to get want they want.

Good for you dude.
It still doesn't change the fact that it's a lot of money and time away from a new car...in a so called sponsorship.

Bigger tuning companies get Factory Loaners for R&D
Smaller tuning companies provide product in trade for R&D

I'm still trying to catagorize the companies that ask for $ for an R&D project.

I've worked with some of the SMALLEST and some of the BIGGEST.
BOTH ends of this spectrum have NEVER asked for "cost" on an R&D project.
Ranging from Turbo's, Superchargers, Nitrous, suspesnion...

Good Luck and Happy New Year!

Actually, I live in Southern Louisiana.. I don't work for Drag.. I was just sticking up for the "little guys" out there. :)

Travis

Good for you dude.
It still doesn't change the fact that it's a lot of money and time away from a new car...in a so called sponsorship.

Bigger tuning companies get Factory Loaners for R&D
Smaller tuning companies provide product in trade for R&D

I'm still trying to catagorize the companies that ask for $ for an R&D project.

I've worked with some of the SMALLEST and some of the BIGGEST.
BOTH ends of this spectrum have NEVER asked for "cost" on an R&D project.
Ranging from Turbo's, Superchargers, Nitrous, suspesnion...

Good Luck and Happy New Year!

Well, I guess that we can agree to disagree? What tuning companys have you owned/worked with? I never said anything about "sponsorship". I said that if someone wants a turbo kit, whether it be a custom kit, or a shelf-stock kit.. they're going to pay for it. I don't care who you are, or what you drive. This is the first time that I have heard people say stuff like what you guys are saying.. so you'll have to excuse me if I sound a little shocked.

Travis

paying for a turbo vs donating PLUS paying a company , big or small, for R&D puposes is differant than buying a kit or custom...
agreed

whats up travis..i totally back your end of things...me myself have built cars and motors using the big brand name stuff AND also subcontracted my services thru "smaller shops" as u call them and as always the most impressive results are always thru the "small shops" being a small shop never means its a bad thing. hell my best engine guy does it out of his garage at his house. He doesn't swap motors as a career but as a hobby and is excellently skilled and well taught at doing so. I'm not meaning that every small shops is someones garage, but you can always look at other companies where they have a well built quality product. greddy turbo's arent that great. as for the sponsorship, i do admit it is pricey for a turbo kit, but if you know what parts are being the drag kit, IT IS A STEAL. I mean no company is really going to give out a full on turbo kit to just someone out there. The free kits that are given out usually are to someone thats in the industry. there was a trade off involved one way or another. I'm sure Travis knows what im talking bout. Figure it this way...2500 for a kit built and installed in your car. this is for a tC. that is cheap to me. factor in cost of dyno pulls, labor, and materials..its pretty close to paying cost for it if you really do think about it. I've been in the car parts biz myself for a good number of years and have been working on engines forever. I can't stress enuff how much labor per hour rates add up fast lol.

Exactly.. People don't realize what it takes to make stuff like this happen. I work at least 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Sometimes more.. For a lot of us, it's not even about money. Sure, we make money.. but we pay our bills, and it's not a "killing".. trust me. I took a 15K a year pay cut to do what I'm doing now. But, I do something that I enjoy... and that's why I stay in business. It's a challenge. I'd rather make less money.. but be creative, inginuitive, and feel useful.

Travis

I mean no company is really going to give out a full on turbo kit to just someone out there. The free kits that are given out usually are to someone thats in the industry. there was a trade off involved one way or another.

That's is also called a sponsorship....
The trade off is - showing the kit.

You mean, no company you know of or are involved with is going to give away a turbo kit to just someone out there... any ole joe.
BUT many companies do and will give the kit via sponsorship... with guidelines. If these guidelines are not met, the sponsored must return the kit, pay for the kit, or get off his ___.

Agreed.

Don't misdirect the info here from the good users of SL. Sponsorships are available, no $ need be exchanged...

I guess we can agree that the DRAG "sponsorhip" is more like - "AVAILABLE at COST fo R&D"
Whoever pays for it could keep it silent. Should not advertise for them. Why PAY, even discount, for something... them tell everyone to buy it at Retail?
If I did this with Drag -
No Stickers
No Shows
No Posts
Relating to the Turbo kit.

That's just my opinion.

I know a few companies who would sponsor a turbo kit, at their expense. :wink:

no showing the car isnt enuff these days for a product that is THAT expensive..sure u can pick up so called "sponsors" for little knick knack stuff thats easy. ive been invollved in the show and race circuit for a good number of years and been doing biz w/ car parts for even longer. I've dealt w/ a lot of these companies. Greddy for instance wont giev a full on turbo kit to some kid just so he can do a couple shows. look at what car they put it on for free...a SCION CORP car yes thats right a corporate backed car. this is how it goes for a lot of full ride sponsorships w/ good product. Yes there are some people that are just regular private owners that land this too im not saying there arent, but most of the time they do have a good network w/ other people. Thats great u have turbo sponsor or whatever. More power to you. theres also different levels and different terms of sponsorships. so dont talk to me like i dont know wtf im talking bout. Also regarding turbo kits and the tC YES i do know that turbo kits are given out free....many of my friends in the industry have recieved free turbo kits/upgrades, and or superchargers for their cars for ZERO dollars....BUT this is for cars that the company believes they can make money on. As for the tC, many companies i know that develop turbo kits and what not for these cars will build a kit for it but do not see the money making potential in the kit. All they have to do is look at this board n see whats going on. n thats what they usually do. See who's ready n willing to go all out on the car and who's not. they play into the market that will make them the most money. the tC isnt at the top of their list. right now the battle of the evo and wrx/sti is a vested interest to them and as is the new mazda 6 which is going to be the next competitor in that class...im just sayin tC i doubt is the market they wanna push very hard on.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

So, it's obvious that you agree!

:lol: :lol: :lol:


If this is the deal they want to push... then they should REMOVE the term SPONSORSHIP.

It should read more like this...

DRAG TURBO....
ONE AVAILABLE AT WHOLESALE in TRADE FOR R&D

Is that so hard?

Seems less MISLEADING than "partial sponsorship"

They would gain more public approval here... even here yes.
They would profit more... simply because they would have made a straight offer with little confusion. More people would be interested in an offer like that rather than saying it were "sponsored" :roll:

Drag, (a 4 year old company? I don't have any 411 on Drag) might need to invest in a better marketing program. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good Luck...

Terrible deal. I hope no one considers doing this. "partial" sponsorship? And paying for it too? What a freaking ripoff.

For developing a SC/TC, you should be getting the kit free with at least some promise that they will stand behind a new motor if they blow yours up.

So, it's obvious that you agree!

Not exactly...read it more. I'm stating i understand your point. im not agreeing w/ u.


If this is the deal they want to push... then they should REMOVE the term SPONSORSHIP.

Techincally its still a sponsorship. Its a partial sponsor..which comes in many shape or forms...apparently you seem to think that sponsor always means free...sponsorships have various types...IE say someone wants to sponsor you w/ a bodykit for a car, but need your car for r&d and u still get it free...its still a sponsorship.

It should read more like this...

DRAG TURBO....
ONE AVAILABLE AT WHOLESALE in TRADE FOR R&D

Is that so hard?

u do have a pt there but i see where they have their pt also. It's still a sponsorship. I believe they do have a tC already but the tC has a lot more work done on the motor and they want to have a stock tC to do the dyno runs and get some numbers from a more stock tC. The guy who posted this, i know him and he has a tC also, but his is already done from the ground up. He's the same guy who posted up free springs from B&G for a STOCK tC. I'm sure he's already got the goods for his ride, its the manufacturer wants a stock car to put the parts on and do some dyno runs.

Seems less MISLEADING than "partial sponsorship"

It's still a PARTIAL SPONSORSHIP. I'll spell it out again for you. Partial sponsorships come in many shape or forms...from super dirt cheap pricing to wholesale pricing...it all depends on the company doing the sponsorship. I've been partial sponsered where i get things at a very cheap cost and other partials where its a small discount cause its a rare part to begin w/ (project Mu brakes).


They would gain more public approval here... even here yes.
They would profit more... simply because they would have made a straight offer with little confusion. More people would be interested in an offer like that rather than saying it were "sponsored" :roll:


This is NOT drag posting this offer, its a person who knows them and THOUGHT that passing down an oppurtinity for someone else to come up a bit would be nice. learn to appreciate what someone does instead of knockin on people and youll see some cool results..you can just say no thank you or not post at all instead u want to turn it into a post war.

Drag, (a 4 year old company? I don't have any 411 on Drag) might need to invest in a better marketing program. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


drags a very reputable turbo kit company. they use good quality parts on their kits and are known in other markets for having some of the top performing off the shelf parts. Drag HAS GIVEN FREE TURBO KITS OUT, but only to MAKE and MODELS they feel has strong aftermarket support from consumers...like i said the tC is most likely iffy grounds for them. if you actually read the post youd see where i said this before.

Good Luck...

oh yeah btw what u got on ur tc?


read in the box lol im to lazy to edit all that

Drag, (a 4 year old company? I don't have any 411 on Drag) might need to invest in a better marketing program. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good Luck...

They have been developing turbos for Hondas since the mid 90's (maybe earlier). Their systems were used by several high profile racers such as Tony Fuchs of Cyber Racing.

paying for a turbo vs donating PLUS paying a company , big or small, for R&D puposes is differant than buying a kit or custom...
agreed

Well think about it actually, your getting a turbo kit that will be in production for less then retail, your getting it installed and tuned for free what more could you ask for? How about saving $3-$4,000?

I think if someone is serious about turbo charging their car they would appreciate the offer because it gives them a chance to save money while getting a kit installed and tuned by professionals.

I understand FULLY all the differant levels of sponsorship. :wink:

The first post does not conform to the normal "Partial Sponsorship" format that I or anyone I'm associated with are used to.

That seems pretty...Simple. eh?



Again,
Good Luck :roll:

When it comes to labor, its very rare to see a shop give it out for free.. Try getting a full sponsorship at an audio shop or body shop it's difficult.

Considering the risk that the R&D guinea pig is taking, I'd say that free product and install is the minimum deal that the guinea pig should take.

If that "small shop" blows up the guinea pig's engine what is the liklihood that they will pay to fix it?

Heck, some of these "small shops" have a hard time with reliably shipping products to customers who have already paid for them!

Caveat Emptor

well greddy is up there along side with turbonetics.

and Gmoney, i went to NOPI Nationals in ATL GA, and personally talked to GReddy. I got a lot of info.

well, it remains that they haven't replied on wether they would back the car for any damages that happen while the car is in their care. i think being the lab rat is a pretty big thing. so, i don't agree with the something for nothing that some of you keep bringing up.

well the price is not bad, the problem with this "partial sponser" is not the price, which is pretty good, its that they will take your car for 3 weeks and DRAG IT. and tune their turbo on your car. so you know, you have like 2000 miles on the car, after they have it, they put 500 but it will probably be liek 30,000 miles they just threw on because all the testing and dragging done to the engine.

It's not that we're hating on the offer, we're just concerned that some kid is going to pay $2,000 dollars for some company to blow up his engine.

If they're serious about their R&D, they'll pay for all damages resulting from their R&D. That's fair. As it stands now, that isn't part of their deal.

If this is the deal they want to push... then they should REMOVE the term SPONSORSHIP.

It should read more like this...

DRAG TURBO....
ONE AVAILABLE AT WHOLESALE in TRADE FOR R&D



I'm with this guy... That dog don't hunt.

Thank you

Two things:
1. Drag turbo is actually a pretty big company who makes really nice kits. They are definately comparable to company's such as greddy ect.( i have owned and installed kits from both greddy and drag)
2. That cost of 2500 for the car you give a partial sponsorship to is ridiculous, I have purchased drag kits outright for less money than that..

Just my .02
Jay S.

Heh what a ripoff.

I'm sorry but most/all people here NEED a car..and 3 weeks without a car is just worthless. Plus that price is just insane for R&D, AND there is obviously no warrenty to cover damages.