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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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Toyota Claims Ownership of Fan Wallpapers
Written by Ben Jones on November 14, 2008

Motoring giant Toyota is normally ahead of the curve when it comes to technology. The company is known for innovations like the Synergy Drive in the Prius, as well as long term reliability. However, if you take pride in your Toyota, and have it as a wallpaper on your system, Toyota doesn’t want you sharing.

toyotaToyota, one of the biggest car companies in the world, is often a name synonymous with quality. There is even a philosophy of doing business, called “The Toyota Way”, which emphasizes that the right result will come from the right process, and that solving the root problems brings the organization the greatest benefit.

This ‘Way’ is probably not communicated to its lawyers in great detail, which is why Desktopnexus, a site that provides desktop backgrounds, has been contacted by them. In perhaps one of the most wildly arrogant demands in DMCA history, Toyota’s lawyers are demanding the withdrawal of all wallpapers that feature a Toyota, Scion, or Lexus. The site’s owner, Harry Maugans contacted Toyota to clarify. He was told that all images featuring Toyota vehicles should be removed, even images with copyright belonging to others.

Speaking to TorrentFreak, Maugans said: “Their lawyer, Garrett Biggs, told us that if we wanted them to specifically identify their images, we would have to pay for them to do so”. Maugans also said he was afraid it would come to a lawsuit, fearing the attrition effect that is so common now in copyright disputes. Toyota, with cash assets of over $23Billion can surely afford to spin out the legal costs in an attempt to bankrupt the site – the same strategy that is often used to ‘encourage‘ a settlement in RIAA cases.

Yet, Toyota has also been cagey. These demands have not been sent in the form of a DMCA notice. While sending such a notice would require the takedown, it also requires that the person sending the notice legally certify that they are legal representatives for the copyright holders at issue. Making a false statement is ‘punishable under penalty of perjury‘, which is not taken lightly in US courts.

That copyright holders should be properly identified is also not lost on Mr. Maugans. “What if Toyota comes back and says “yes, we own the copyright to all of those [Toyota images on site]“. How can we know if they’re lying to get us to take them all down? How can we prove they do in fact own the copyrights on those wallpapers? Some are very hard to believe, such as this which looks more like Fan Art than a professionally designed marketing photo. Or this one which they’re claiming they own, but it has a “Created by:” line at the bottom by someone who doesn’t seem to have any connection to the actual Toyota company.”

The ‘huh what?’ value of Toyota’s position has been noticed by others as well. On the FreeCulture News site, one comment questions the action saying “What are they trying to accomplish by attacking free advertising?” Indeed, this is what it comes down to. Instead of embracing free advertising and word of mouth, Toyota seems desperate to control and micromanage every aspect of it’s publicity.

At the end of the day, the best question is that asked by Mr Maugans, “Has DMCA abuse really gotten this bad?”

At the time of press, Toyota Inc. did not respond to requests for comment.
This article from:
http://torrentfreak.com/toyota-claims-ownership-081114/

Scion has not responded to questions at this time, either.

Tom

"Thank you for contacting Scion. The reference number for your question is '081116-000095'."
Old Nov 16, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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whaa..? That's retarded!

So are we not gonna be able to post photo shoots of our cars anymore?

That's taking things a little to far just for wallpapers
Old Nov 17, 2008 | 01:21 AM
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I'd like to see how they would enforce that, maybe on a site where you pay for the image, but other than that, no way.
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Actually, if I take a pic of your car, Doug, I hold copyright on that image, and no one else does unless I give them that right (in writing) per United States Code.

I've already written to both Scion and Toyota requesting an explanation of how they might believe they have ANY rights to images I've originated.

No response yet, but it IS a weekend...
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well, then they really are crazy, lol.
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i think some other car company has tried this once before a few years back
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Ford did it with a Mustang Owners Club calendar, and actually prevented the owners from publishing a calendar with pics of their own cars taken by club members.

IIRC, the club was eventually able to produce the calender (which they had been doing for years anyway), but with a LOT of hassles and limitations...

I'll bet one could Google black mustang calendar ford and find detail...
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http://www.allfordmustangs.com/artic...le_00945.shtml

its still total BS that any car company will do this kind of ---- to their fan base
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sounds like a way to try to get money back from customers to me. i think its pretty dumb and immature; looks like we need to ban all pic threads lol
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Another viewpoint from The Consumerist:

http://jalopnik.com/5090793/toyota-f...op-backgrounds

(I'm amazed at the number of Digg hits on the original article! For some reason the way Toyota went after this seems to have really incensed a lot of folks. I strongly suspect that there are better ways for them to tackle this problem, starting with putting their attack lawyers on a shorter leash, and requiring them to actually do their jobs correctly. )

There should be an official reply shortly...
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wow!
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*watching*
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Scionlife,

We sincerely apologize for any concerns this article may have caused you and we would like to take this moment to clear up any confusion.

It appears there has been a misunderstanding regarding what can and cannot be done in accordance with copyright laws and owner’s images of their vehicles. To clarify, owners can post their own images of their own vehicles on their computer or third party sites. The general public is allowed to download the wallpapers from Scion.com (under Culture/Free Stuff) for personal use.

Again, we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Please note, this is an official company response. If you have any questions, please contact Scion at 1-866-707-2466.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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Another reply directly from Toyota...

Originally Posted by Toyota Customer Experience
Thank you for contacting Toyota with your comments and concerns regarding the use of vehicle images. The letter asking the DesktopNexus site to remove all images featuring a Toyota, Scion or Lexus vehicle was the result of mis-communication at Toyota, which we regret.

Copyright law protects the creative work product of artists, photographers, and other creators. Toyota respects these rights, including those of photographers who work with Toyota. Toyota purchases the rights to the images it posts on its sites, and welcomes public use of those images where we have the rights to give. However, this permission is limited to editorial or personal use, not commercial use, such as advertising any products or services. That's because the photographers - not Toyota - retain the rights to any commercial use, and we cannot give permission to use those images for that purpose. In response the concerns raised by DesktopNexus, Toyota is working with photographers to determine what images may be used for non-commercial purposes, and what we can do to provide broader access.

We hope you will understand and appreciate the legal constraints we face.

Toyota also welcomes interested members of the public to use their own images or photography of Toyota's vehicles, and we confirm that we have no objection to this use.

We appreciate your interest in our products.

Toyota Customer Experience
Another few links on this subject:

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/11/toyota-demands.html

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r214...of-Fans-Photos

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/to...exus-20081118/

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/11/16/1258246.shtml

http://techdirt.com/articles/20081117/0055142844.shtml

http://digg.com/tech_news/Toyota_Cla...Fan_Wallpapers

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=243221
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Shush Toyota Corporate Legal Team. You're going to make the internet angry. And you wouldn't like the internet when its angry.

Striesand effect in 3....2....1.....


So.... if I take a photo- I own the photo right? I can sell it, or trade it, or distribute it or whatever. No matter what its a photo of, right? Hmmm I guess aside from the privacy stuff.
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thank you for clarifying
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Originally Posted by etli

So.... if I take a photo- I own the photo right? I can sell it, or trade it, or distribute it or whatever. No matter what its a photo of, right? Hmmm I guess aside from the privacy stuff.

Absolutely! Tangible items you create, words you write (you own copyrights to your comments on this forum), intellectual property (graphic designs, bookes, articles, choreographed works, music compositions, etc.), all belong to their creator.

By their very existence, they are copyrighted. They do not have to be submitted to any governmental agency or organization.

You write it? You own it.

You draw it? You own it.

You choreograph a dance? You own it.

Etcetera, etcetera (in my best King & I accent).

No one can use your intellectual property without your permission. I cannot legally copy & save your pix for any reason without your allowing me to do so.
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(The only caveat on that can involve identifiable pics of people if they have an expectation of privacy, and sometimes pics of another copyrighted work can be considered a "copy" of that work,and therefore a no-no.)
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Originally Posted by Tomas
(The only caveat on that can involve identifiable pics of people if they have an expectation of privacy, and sometimes pics of another copyrighted work can be considered a "copy" of that work,and therefore a no-no.)
Yes.

Always a good idea to ask for a release if someone is identifiable in your pix.

People are almost always flattered and glad to do so if you expect to ever use the photo.



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