Hey, how much life does a turbo take away from an xa?

All depends on proper installation and parts, amount of beating (use), and amount of boost.

If you run very low boost it will last just as long as a regular xA, but then it wouldn't be worth it.

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if u run 6psi or less it should last a long time. if you change your oil often enouigh. if u boost over 7psi it wont last as long (most probably)

So you think maybe a cheaper supercharger would be better for only a 6 psi boost? You can get superchargers for real cheap

where can u get sc for cheap? u mean a universal centrifugal? yeah i've been wanting to toy around with those on previous cars. ( i am for sure doingh it with my bmw 320i) i unno alotta fabbin and such pluse custom fuel management and the likes. if u have the resources do it. i'm sure we'd all love a how to on building f/i for under 1500

They have those superchargers on ebay and stuff like that. They dont cost more than about 200, but I don't know how good they are. It says 250 cfm at at 6000 rpm's (about 10- 15 hp gain. Go to ebay and type in scion supercharger). And if you were to get an expensive turbo, how much hp is 6 psi... also 7 psi.

oh no no no no, those are absolute crap!

oh that's what i was starting to think

any ELECTRIC powered turbine for your car will be highly inefficient, because it depends on your car's alternator to supply the power needed to turn it, meaning more load on your engine.

remember, energy can neither be created or destroyed. it can only be converted into different forms of energy.

you cannot create HP from nothing.

oh, btw, i realize that this topic is a bit touchy, for some cars who use an electric powered turbine for drag racing. that is in itself a different subject altogether, as the battery system they use is independant of the car's alternator

I always wondered about those cheap superchargers too, thanks for the info!!!!

the e-ram ones do work but 300 to 400 dollars for 1 or 2 psi is dumb. the other ones one bay are garbage. they sell legit superchargers on ebay. ati and stuff like that. get one from a mustang or for a mustang very easy to work with and if it has ceramic bearings it will last a long time.

They have those superchargers on ebay and stuff like that. They dont cost more than about 200, but I don't know how good they are. It says 250 cfm at at 6000 rpm's (about 10- 15 hp gain. Go to ebay and type in scion supercharger). And if you were to get an expensive turbo, how much hp is 6 psi... also 7 psi.

:lol: :lol: :lol: man those things are a F**KING joke you can get the same results with a hamster in the hamster wheel :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol:

Turbo is the only way to go my friend. I suggest you pick up this book called "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell from amazon.com or something. It's the bible to turbo. Its got everything you need to know about turbo and stuff you need to set up a turbo for your car.

Bolt on stuffs are waste of money. Turbo gives you the most power for the money you spent.

:lol: :lol: :lol: man those things are a F**KING joke you can get the same results with a hamster in the hamster wheel :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol:

wait i thought they were under our hoods already... :D

no i had a 1986 ford escort 4 door. thats hamsters. compared to that thing, my scion is a ferrari 8)

Bolt on stuffs are waste of money. Turbo gives you the most power for the money you spent.

besides Nitrous at least...

Anytime you boost an engine that was not designed from the factory to be boosted, you are placing a strain on the internals that they were not built to accept.

any ELECTRIC powered turbine for your car will be highly inefficient, because it depends on your car's alternator to supply the power needed to turn it, meaning more load on your engine.

remember, energy can neither be created or destroyed. it can only be converted into different forms of energy.

you cannot create HP from nothing.

oh, btw, i realize that this topic is a bit touchy, for some cars who use an electric powered turbine for drag racing. that is in itself a different subject altogether, as the battery system they use is independant of the car's alternator

ahh, but you are way off... yes the electricity must be created, but where is the source... an alternator takes away a few horsepower - at maximum draw, but the battery serves as a load leveler... the 50 or 80amp draw will not be met by the alternator and you will technically be getting boost from your battery - which will be charged while decelerating or idling...

I am not saying that these superchargers are worth it, but it is the same mentality of switching from a shaft driven fan or electric fans... it gives you back the power when you want it, but overall is not a more efficient setup...

oh, and SCFM is only one thing that you need to get boost... the other is the built up pressure at that flow rate...

so for a centrifugal pump... you can have 1scfm with super high pressures or 1000's of scfm with barely any pressure... this is why sizing and the belt ratio are important factors in getting ANY performance increase...

but it is the same mentality of switching from a shaft driven fan or electric fans... it gives you back the power when you want it, but overall is not a more efficient setup...
actually , the biggest benefit in an electric over a shaft driven is continous fan speed , increased airflow , and quicker rev up versus sfat fan and a lot better sounding motor , and i would be willing to venture out and say that you still gain hp over a shaft driven , cuz and alternator can only draw soo much power , it doesnt work harder if more electricity ids used , the battery will just get more and more drained. the alternator doesnt strain the motor more.

They have those superchargers on ebay and stuff like that. They dont cost more than about 200, but I don't know how good they are. It says 250 cfm at at 6000 rpm's (about 10- 15 hp gain. Go to ebay and type in scion supercharger). And if you were to get an expensive turbo, how much hp is 6 psi... also 7 psi.

:lol: :lol: :lol: man those things are a joke you can get the same results with a hamster in the hamster wheel :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol:

How about installing a hairdryer in your intake tube - probably about the same flow rate as the electric supercharger... Just make sure to use the "Cool" setting...

How about installing a hairdryer in your intake tube - probably about the same flow rate as the electric supercharger... Just make sure to use the "Cool" setting...

even in the winter??

I guess you could use the "warm" setting for startup...

lol too funny you guys , those "superchargers" on ebay that are electric and under 200 bucks are bilge pumps which dont even have enough cfm to provide most motors with air at anything over idle . only real electric superchargers are e-ram's they are like 400 or so and only produce approximately 1 or 2psi. the e-ram ones also only operate at full throttle.

wouldn't erams be more efficient at lower rpms, as less air needs to be moved. . . i would imagine at high rpms, it could become restrictive, as it might not be able to match the vacuum created by the engine.

dont believe so , e-rams are actually awesome lil guys.

youve never heard of the ESC-400??
electric roots supercharger?
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight/

how about the ESC-350??
Electric centrifugal supercharger
http://www.boosthead.com/home.php

this tomas knight guy tomas knight offered to help out my daewoo forum with turbos, but the prices were just too damn much for the electric ones, but hell offer your a basic turbo setup for like 1500, custom

hmm i looked into them but it seems complicated and it's not a constant thing , i unno bout that.

it would be fine for a 1/4 mile run, but for daily driving it wouldn't fill the bill...

I need hill climbing help... I mean like 5% grade for 6 miles... 15 seconds wouldn't work for me... unless I was going about 1200 miles/hr...

NICE i like 1200 mph

Had a 90 Supra with a Turbo. Once the turbo lag was over it would literally suck the car down the highway and shove you firmly into the seat.

Since turbos derive power from the exhaust, they have to deal with a lot of heat (even the intercooled ones), this in turn literally cooks the oil that is used to lube the tiny bearings in the turbo (oil that is usually cycled to and from the engine).

What's my point? Turbo's ROCK! but you have to treat your engine much nicer than you may have done in the past. Oil changes are something you should do within 3000 miles or less. If you've been using the turbo boost you can't just turn your car off when you arrive at your destination, you should let it run for a couple minutes in order to cool the turbo. It only takes a second or less of impure or improper lubrication and your turbo is toast. Keep it clean and keep it cool.

I learned the hard way about life with a turbo and let me tell you replacing one on that Supra was hard work and not inexpensive. I love driving with a turbo but I don't like all the other hassles that seem to come with them. I would love a little more acceleration (and top end) out of my XA though.

mkIII turbos are cheap and easy , at least the one i worked on was . i have an 87 n/a

e-Ram's are also bilge pumps. Don't be fooled. Axial fans cannot compress -- end of story.

And I've heard bad things about Thomas Knight's REGULAR F/I kits even... I would never trust his electric beauties.

this tomas knight guy tomas knight offered to help out my daewoo forum with turbos, but the prices were just too damn much for the electric ones, but hell offer your a basic turbo setup for like 1500, custom
I'm sorry but the question needs to be asked...

Do people REALLY turbo Daewoos?

so if somone had the money and desire, who makes a decent turbo ( $1500-3000 ) and where can you buy it?

this tomas knight guy tomas knight offered to help out my daewoo forum with turbos, but the prices were just too damn much for the electric ones, but hell offer your a basic turbo setup for like 1500, custom
I'm sorry but the question needs to be asked...

Do people REALLY turbo Daewoos?

Do people REALLy need turbo Scions?? Yeah its the same dumb question, anyone who doubts the potential of anothers car is just as ignorant as the fool who steps up to a flat back CRX that has a whistle comeing out of it. Hence the purpose of a sleeper.

My daewoo stock and automatic was still faster than my scion xb stock and manual. and my turbo setup was almost done, i just needed to finish my turbo manifold, but unfortunatly i ended up selling the daewoo last week to help pay for the scion.

The best sleepers are the ones you dont expect, my daewoo had the drop on alotta guys because they didnt know what a daewoo was or what it had, i make it a point to know my competition so i dont look like the ignorant fool who tries to take on a sleeper.


ok and BTW any refrences or suggestions to any type of street racing should be thought of hypothetical, i nor do my group condone illegal street racing so dont do it!

Damn,

I thought all I had to do was slap a bolt on SC to the top of a Turbocylinder then criss cross the 4Vm2SI to the cam cordinartorbox then shizam. Of course, only after rewiring the main chip fuel throttle dispenser over head boxinator for maximum shift stick overdriveness. It's always worked for me. Take that to the bizzank.

If you want to go fast just give your favorite mechanic 10G's and ask him very nicely to steal you a fast car. Works every time kid.

Out

N Y C X B O X

Hey, if you want to see turbo scions, look at this site....
www.scionspeed.com

this tomas knight guy tomas knight offered to help out my daewoo forum with turbos, but the prices were just too damn much for the electric ones, but hell offer your a basic turbo setup for like 1500, custom
I'm sorry but the question needs to be asked...

Do people REALLY turbo Daewoos?

Do people REALLy need turbo Scions?? Yeah its the same dumb question, anyone who doubts the potential of anothers car is just as ignorant as the fool who steps up to a flat back CRX that has a whistle comeing out of it. Hence the purpose of a sleeper.

My daewoo stock and automatic was still faster than my scion xb stock and manual. and my turbo setup was almost done, i just needed to finish my turbo manifold, but unfortunatly i ended up selling the daewoo last week to help pay for the scion.

The best sleepers are the ones you dont expect, my daewoo had the drop on alotta guys because they didnt know what a daewoo was or what it had, i make it a point to know my competition so i dont look like the ignorant fool who tries to take on a sleeper.


ok and BTW any refrences or suggestions to any type of street racing should be thought of hypothetical, i nor do my group condone illegal street racing so dont do it!

Most of them are slower than the xB 5 speed, WITH a manual transmission.
There's probably a few exceptions, so I can't tell if your making up a little story...not knowing which model you have...(but with an AUTO!?)

EDIT: Not trying to take a leak in your cornflakes or anything, but your car was a 1999 Lanos -- not only are they slightly heavier than an xB, but they have less horsepower. Coupled to an auto tranny, it's not going to beat a standard xB. Lanos are almost DEAD even 5spd to 5spd with a Scion as far as the numbers I've seen in the 1/4 mile.

If you look on drag times, the fastest Lanos is 15.5 with a turbo, the fastest N/A is 16.9... and they're all standard.

The point is that he asked if you really needed to turbo a daewoo and its just a dumb question.

im in no way trying to compare both because i owned both at the same time and they are both great cars. the fact of weither they should be fixed up or not is neither here nor there.

The point is that he asked if you really needed to turbo a daewoo and its just a dumb question.

im in no way trying to compare both because i owned both at the same time and they are both great cars. the fact of weither they should be fixed up or not is neither here nor there.

Agreed.