anyone know anything about this product? i'm going N/A route and plan on building the bottom end. and just need some guidence and knowlegde on how to go about this.

 

Ok dude, you don't have to make a thread for every time you change your mind on something or decide to go a different route.

WITH THE GREDDY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM:

Seeing as how it is usually a piggyback system as opposed to a stand alone system you will see VERY LITTLE difference in performance just because ALL YOU HAVE DONE TO YOUR CAR is an intake/header/exhaust set up.

If you go for BOOST then you can go ahead and enjoy much more benefit from an E-Manage or an AEM stand alone system.
Save your money and get a turbo.

 

hey im just asking around since i am clueless on what things i can do to this car. no need to be a d*ck about it if im just asking a couple of simple questions. if i new what to do i wouldn't waste my time asking then. and no turbo is out of the question for me. i just dont want it.

 

sorry for being rude.........

 

ok, then HONESTLY, you would see MINIMAL difference out of the Greddy piggyback if you have no intention to boost

 

in a nut shell its basically a fuel management system, hence the I/H/E doesnt need to be specifically tuned since its so damn close to stock vs. a turbo set up.

on a side note, n/a is a great way to tune a car but turbo is better

 

thanks for the insight. best reply i've had compared to the last. so do you think i could see any decent gains going N/A, with cams bottem end build(stroker kit)

 

Stroker huh?

It really cant be said the outcome because nobody has really done it. Everyone just follows and says no way, just go boost, blah blah, but there isnt any proof (at least I havent seen it)

If you were goin n/a you would want to de-stroke the motor, no?

 

look checho wasnt being a dick. just people dont search before they post threads just like every other forum they want you to search first. and as far as n/a best bet is pm Tcpete (nicely) lol and ask him if he wants to respond cool if not then search. and just so you know there just to far you can go to n/a. turbo is your best bet and you wont regret if you dont go cheap if you go cheap well your just opening the door for hassles. but hey dont take it from me go for whatever you think is best and come back and tell us your outcome!!

 

thanks for the info. yeah i just read his reply the wrong way and thought he was. well i have been trying to do the research but since i really dont know anything about them even after reading what they do i still dont really understand much what they are trying to tell me. but thanks for your suggestions and yes i will contact tcpete.

 

did someone say N/A tc? blasphemy!

 

yes. all i got is basic mods and have no clue as to what should come next. dont want to go turbo at all. just want a lil extra kick in that engine without boost. im not looking to out perform anyone at the track whos got boost but it would be nice every now and then..

 

With IHEP and a management system,heads ported and polished,cams,clutch flywheel work,and modified tranny you could easilly make the car faster.A lot of money to do it and for a minimumal gain vs say turbo.But if you did all the work and tuned it it would be easily as fast as a SC tC.Then depending on how you build the rest of the car you can actually see more gains,with like a Quaife LSD,unsprug weight reduction,in car weight reduction.........and dont forget that with more power and speed you need to 1st and formost stop the car........so you will need upgraded brakes.

 

dude thanks so much for that there. heads ported and polished sounds like something i can do now. cams i dont know anything about but i'll look into those as well.

 

no cams........ cmon ppl... know ur motor.

 

can i get some help from you tcpete????

 

Has it been determined that the Brian Crower cams do nothing for the 2AZ-FE?

Last I heard real projections were at about 15 whp. When I called Crower they told me about 20 whp with supporting mods, but I take everything performance companies say with a grain of salt; unless they have real dyno results.

 

and thats why till this day there BC has not forked over the dyno time to prove the cams work in NA application.. why you might ask... because the 2azfe works on timing not lift...... and to successfully take advantage of the cam u will need to advance the timing.. this is common for NA apps. and frankly 1400+700 for just cams and AEM EMS to advance timing is not worth the 10-20 whp... this price does no include new valverain for the aggressive cam + tuning + supporting mods.... now we are getting into almost 4k dollars in parts...for what... turbo would be a better option at that cost point.

 

If the camshaft was designed properly then there could be improvement while not having to modify the stock timing schedule. You could theoretically loose some low end torque but if the heads could support it, there would be an increase in mid and high end horsepower.

 

when ecu start pulling timing because of the retarded mixture of gas its getting what r u gonna do? pray it say oh snap advance advance advance.. no it will not do it! this is why u need an EMS that controls timing... i dont know why ppl cant grasp this on this motors design.. its all over the net.