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i wish i knew, they are a bunch of numbers to me. :doh:

i wish i knew, they are a bunch of numbers to me. :doh:

hahahaha same here

you need an alignment. you have too much toe. the back has too much camber, your tires will wear out quick.

basically you want to keep the numbers under the "actual" section in between the "specified range" section for best tire wear. if you autox or track, thats different. im assuming your car is lowered due to the big camber change in the rear...if you lower your car, its pretty much required to get an alignment unless you want to go through tires every month.

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well for starters was the tech just checking the alignment? because if not they didn't adjust anything!

the toe in the front is WAY off, and the toe in the rear is off as well, but the camber in the rear needs to be re-adjusted. Camber in the back should be -0.9 degrees.

The toe in the front should be 0.00 on both sides. Don't let them sell you that 0.02 or 0.03 is "good enough" get it to 0.00 and you'll be good.

the rear toe should be 0.15inch on both sides.

yes, you need it adjusted!

i wish i knew, they are a bunch of numbers to me. :doh:

hahahaha same here


im on the same boat guys :rofl:

you must ram into curbs pretty good.

if he did run into curbs, you'd be looking at a lot worse that -0.15in in the front! and the caster/camber would be way off and it isn't.

both front toes are out... considering they are in the negatives that means that they are both pointing in... with that being said you prolly don't really feel a pull but you will notice if you don't get them fix you will have excessive wear on the outer part of the tires... you will prolly notice vibrations at high speeds...now the rears.. both toes are out.. r/r is way out and the camber is out... with that being said.. you will notice vibrations at high speeds and the inside of you tire will wear excessively.. the camber is not out so bad that they can not adjust it... get it adjusted.. only 70

he did ram into curbs, I spoke with the OP.

Im guessing while trying to parallel park.

really.. well then he'd also be looking at bent wheels. so he rams curbs and we're supposed to tell him if the alignment is out after that? duh.. of course it would be.

you need an alignment. you have too much toe. the back has too much camber, your tires will wear out quick.

basically you want to keep the numbers under the "actual" section in between the "specified range" section for best tire wear. if you autox or track, thats different. im assuming your car is lowered due to the big camber change in the rear...if you lower your car, its pretty much required to get an alignment unless you want to go through tires every month.

tha back camber is perfect, leave that, have them fix the toe

Camber is fine. That much camber will NOT eat up your tires. My rear has been at -2 for around 45,000 miles, my fronts are at -1.76. I have them set that way because the car handles better that way. I autox mine and have played around with those settings just for that purpose. With yours, you have more grip in the rear though since your front camber is closer to neutral. You would need camber bolts to increase the front to match (I personally would do that rather than correct the rear). One set of camber bolts in the lower holes up front got me to -1.76. There are tons of people that run that much camber and never have wear issues.

However, the toe being out of whack too far will eat your tires up. And the wrong toe settings can mix with your camber settings to cause even more wear. Yours is a bit out of spec.. and if anything I would want the car toed out, not in. But for a daily driver I would get that adjusted back into spec.

haha those settings look tame compared to how mine were...i wish i could find mine....but i had 3/4' of total toe and my tires were gone in around 1000 miles...and my camber is way more in than that also...

^^ thats true.. more camber in means better grip while making turns... but slower straight line.. but with our cars you won't notice it that much

your statement is true to a degree....

reminds me of yesterday when i went to get my alignment...i told the guy "i want -1.5 camber all around" an hour later he comes back and prints me up the results....he had set front and rear toe to -1.5. at least he fixed it up without more charge.

Negative camber does increase cornering grip.. but it does not have much of an effect on straight line speed. I thnk that is toe yo are thinking of. You can adjust toe to make for quicker turn in response, and even help the car rotate more. however, if you drag race, increased toe will hurt your straight line speed a bit.

he did ram into curbs, I spoke with the OP.

Im guessing while trying to parallel park.

lol, i've hit curbs a couple of times in the past, but not RAM, lol, you make it sound like i was going faster than 1 mph

thanks everybody for your input! even the ones that didn't know anything... :silly:

oh, and i lowered my car with just TRD springs

okay, so they fixed everything but the "Cross SAI"

...does anyone know what that is? and how bad is it if it's out of spec?

okay, so they fixed everything but the "Cross SAI"

...does anyone know what that is? and how bad is it if it's out of spec?

Steering Axis Inclination =
http://www.ingallseng.com/terms.htm#Steering%20Axis%20Inclination

and another link here
http://autorepair.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-748a.htm

and a good graphic here, gotta scroll down for SAI

http://redirectingat.com/?id=42X122&test=off&url=http%3A//www.familycar.com/alignment.htm%23SteeringAxis%2520Inclination%2520%28SAI%29
basically it is probably because the car is lowered changing the kingpin axis from where it was when stock. Nothing to fix with SAI or Cross SAI (difference of SAI from left-right)

Nothing to worry about though. Since there isn't anything you can do, because all the other numbers (caster, camber) look good and within spec.

+1 on engi, yet again.

You could theoretically run up to 4 or 5 degrees of camber before you drastically impact tire life. On my uncle's Reilly, we dial in about 2.5 - 3* before each race, depending on where we are. Then again, this is a purpose-built race car that goes through 2 sets of sticky tires in each 3 hour session.

But hey, not like you can actually dial that in on a stock setup.

Running 1 degree of toe will chew up your tires in less than half the time. On the scion, I run dead-ahead at the rear, and within factory specs at the front.

I would like to be able to quickly and easilly dial in a degree or so of toe on mine for autox events. Actually, you can mark everything properly and do it. But, as you said, it would be pretty harsh on tires on the street, not to mention it would handle in almost a scary fashion at highway speeds :P

how much does an alignment usually cost after you drop a tc. I just put trd springs on and was about to go in. all this talk about new bolts and stuff just got me wondering.

can range anywhere from 80-120+. some places do it by set price regardless if dropped on aftermarket stuff or not. some do a base price + price per axle if you have aftermarkets...mine was 110. 70 base + 20 for 2axles + 10 for aftermarket lowering + tax = ~110

look for a firestone complete auto care center near you:
http://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/locate/index.jsp

they offer lifetime alignments for the price of 2 or 3 alignments (price varies for each shop)

sciontc_mich, thank you very much!

look for a firestone complete auto care center near you:
http://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/locate/index.jsp

they offer lifetime alignments for the price of 2 or 3 alignments (price varies for each shop)

sciontc_mich, thank you very much!

hey you're most welcome!

I dont align to oem specs (most autoxrs dont) so the firestone option is no good for me since shops like that align only to oem spec. I go to an alignment guy that charges less than half what other shops do for oem spec alignments and about 85 or so for a non oem alignment, depending on how much work it takes of course.

i smacked a curb going about 25 or more this florida black ice got me... and i ate up to bfg super sports in 3 days about 40 miles tops total... almost thought i had a tie rod bent all is well now