TRD tC SuperCharger latest news [Archive]

KYBoy

01-10-2005, 02:56 AM

the cheapest supercharger on the trd line is 3500 for the 1.8L found in the celica and corolla and i think the matrix it is 3500.00 from the dealer, plus u have to buy the install kit wich is 1,200.00 wich includes belts and pulleys, plus dealer install wich you can count on another grand for that.

the price for the 3.0L supercharger is 3300.00 plus install kit plus install.
now why would they price a brand new supercharger everyone has been waiting for for 3100.00.
If you dont believe my prices go to http://www.trdusa.com look up parts in detail find the part # for the 1.8L supercharger, then go to catalogs then price sheet and look for yourself.
I know this b/c i was thinking about supercharging my 03 corolla i used to have, however after all that it added 40 hp and 38 ft.lb torque.

kaypee

01-10-2005, 04:11 AM

i agree, it seems everyoen has having a boner over this supercharger when it isnt adding that much power for the 3500, oh but wait it doesnt void the warrenty so i guess everyone thinks its worth it

Wait till you get a little older. Then you'll realize the value of a warranty.

Ok so we have a press release from TRD essentially that these two websites just pasted. Do we know anything confirmed about:

- actual or claimed numbers? Still 200hp or were rumors of hitting 220 substantiated?
- impact on mpg?
- Work on auto trannies? (yeah, I know, fat chance, but I can hope)

KYBoy

01-10-2005, 04:33 AM

id say hp will be 40 to 45 hp gain, lose 5-7 MPG and i bet it will work on auto trannies

as for the warranty yes it is a good thing but that does not mean you should pay over 4k closer to 5k for 40 hp. thats 100.00 per 1 hp.
i could find a better way to spend my money

Sparks_Scion_TRD_Parts

01-10-2005, 01:28 PM

Where did you get your pricing?

Ken

price will prolly be about 3500.00 from dealer plus install kit and install. all for about 40 hp. hmmmm i thinkin turbo for me.

smash

01-10-2005, 03:27 PM

Sparks_Scion_TRD_Parts

01-10-2005, 03:40 PM

I posted what I was given and everything else is speculation. I could give you my guesses based on info I have, but there's no point. I'll post more as soon as I have something 'real' to share.

Ken

CMoney

01-10-2005, 05:15 PM

CMoney

01-10-2005, 05:19 PM

:shock: owned.

Owned? Meh, not really.

It depends on what you're concerned about. 4-5k for 40 HP and some torque and not voiding warranty, or paying that much for a turbo and getting 100+ HP and voiding warranty.

Personally, I was leaning toward Supercharger... I'll just have to see final price and dyno. If it is indeed 4-5k for 40 HP, no way I'm going for it.

smash

01-10-2005, 08:13 PM

KYBoy

01-11-2005, 02:05 AM

I agree with CMoney it is all about what you want, i drove my 03 corolla brand new for almost 2 years and never had any problems. I figure once i break in the engine and if i have had no probs i will consider turbo before the supercharger. thats just IMO

Sparks_Scion_TRD_Parts

01-12-2005, 05:44 PM

Stefan_TC

01-13-2005, 03:13 AM

Where did you get your pricing?

Ken

He was basing pricing off the prices of TRD Superchargers already out. If you go to http://www.trdusa.com/ you can price it all yourself. Keep in mind install kits and paying for it to be installed.

I figured that's what he was doing. I think all of us are going to find that pricing has nothing to do with the tC pricing. Remember, we're talking about Scions and just a 40 HP gain in all probability. Scion is trying not to price themselves out of the market and 4 to 5K would do that. IMHO

Ken

I wish SCION would follow their maerkting philosophy which is dirt cheap (let's be honest) base car with a variety of performance oriented dealer options. In case of TC that would mean several options from rleatively cheap to more serious and expensive... Let's see what they do. Anyways, once the kit is out we can start playing with it trying to get little more that the factory could afford in terms of relaibility and protecting themselves from extensive warranty cost resulting from pushing the engine little further in terms of perfromance...

TRD please keep us updated...
Thanks,

KYBoy

01-13-2005, 03:25 AM

I think SCION prices are great, I think TRD prices are out of this world. Not saying its not good quality, just not worth the money for me.

LittleZeke77

01-13-2005, 03:57 AM

Just to let you guys know...in this month's MAXIM, there's a Scion ad on page 28 which shows the xB Release series 2.0, a tricked out xA, and a "race" between a standard tC and a TRD Supercharged tC. In the fine print under the ad...the exact wording is..."Optional TRD supercharger price is expected to be under $4000 INSTALLED (TBD)"......so take it as you will, but under 4 grand installed seems like a reasonable number for TRD to make just enough money off of. I just sure hope they're holding out because they are trying to make it above 220 hp or so. Too many people have complained about ONLY a 40 hp increase

KYBoy

01-13-2005, 04:04 AM

ScummyMcOwnage

01-13-2005, 06:31 AM

Stefan_TC

01-13-2005, 07:14 AM

KYBoy

01-13-2005, 09:40 PM

Stefan_TC

01-14-2005, 01:32 AM

I hope so too b/c 220hp out of a supercharger dealer installed would be very nice. IMO anymore than 3500.00 installed i am going turbo b/c for the same price i can get 298hp to 325hp from 10 to 12 psi.

KY have you see dyno results for any of the bolt on turbo kits?
Also, do you know how reliable thery are?
Do you know the long term effect on the engine durability, emissions etc?

I am always against addon turbo kits, real life turbo applications (Saab, Audi, Mitsu)
involve engines specifically designed for turbo......
Engine management alone becomes so problematic since the ECU controls now fuel delivery, air delivery - boost (turbo bypass, wastegate), ignition...

When you factor in lost Toyota warranty and iffy reliability, turbo may cost much more than TRD s/c...

very good points
i have seen pics of dyno #'s (could be fake)
reliablity (greddy is pretty reliable)
and you do make a very strong point about engines designed for turbos.

the turbo could cost more in the long run.
i just have to make a decision if the power is worth the risk?

Agreed. It is matter of personal decision and trust. Since Toyota offers s/c for the tC I would think that the engine is going to withstand some effects of incrased torque/HP...
In the same time they really approach this issue very conservatively (HP and torque gain) one could asssume out of concern for engine's reliability. Once again, I believe after market Mitsu or Garrett turbo can be very reliable (cooling!!!) the real issue how is it going to affect overall powertrain reliability??? depending on design (cooling!!!) Please keep in mind that TRD could choose turbo as they have experience with Supras, nevertheless they chose s/c, most likely just because low-pressure s/c is the most suitable for this engine and carries the least risk of engine failure and still delivers 25% gain.... Not bad at all.

Also, when getting more power I would make sure that tC's AT can handle significant power increase..... ATs are much more fragile than MTs with respect to incrase in power range....

My $0.02 is: take the TRD blessed s/c and then play with it a little to get more boost.... (wastegate, intercooler, ECU, fuel delivery to match boost, etc.)

Sal803

01-14-2005, 04:12 PM

when purchasing an option like this..how would the payments go..ex/monthy?

TheKnown

01-14-2005, 04:54 PM

i think if you already have a tc it cannont be figured into a monthly payment plan, but must be payed in full up front i am correct on this issue?

smash

01-15-2005, 03:40 AM

i think if you already have a tc it cannont be figured into a monthly payment plan, but must be payed in full up front i am correct on this issue?

That's what my dealer told me as well.. I think that's BS. Not fair to us who have already purchased our tC's. Oh well.. I can simply add on the cost and re-finance at the DOI credit union for an even lower APR I suppose.

Joe_Dezod

01-15-2005, 04:23 AM

My dealership told me they'd finance my supercharger with it regardless anyway. So I know I still that option... Maybe it's the choice of the dealer?

smash

01-16-2005, 08:58 AM

My dealership told me they'd finance my supercharger with it regardless anyway. So I know I still that option... Maybe it's the choice of the dealer?

Could be.. that's really weak. It would just be my luck in that case.

SleeperXB

01-16-2005, 11:29 AM

dammit sorry guys to go off topic well it kinda talks about the samething but why can't trd make one for xB come on this sux....

Joe_Dezod

01-17-2005, 10:46 PM

The xB wasn't marketed as the "performance scion". I think it's just that simple. At least you guys have Blitz, that's an awesome company.

shimmy

01-17-2005, 11:05 PM

dammit sorry guys to go off topic well it kinda talks about the samething but why can't trd make one for xB come on this sux....

What did he say? He must be the target market for the Xb.

thursday

01-18-2005, 12:12 AM

price will prolly be about 3500.00 from dealer plus install kit and install. all for about 40 hp. hmmmm i thinkin turbo for me.

yeah man...no way am i paying almost 4k for 40hp...1g for every 10hp?...ok people we got a toyota engine not a freakin ferrari where it should cost that much to squeeze the last bit of power out...if it was 70-80 hp for 4k then thats cool...but as it is now, im looking for a turbo kit so i can go pssssssstttttt!...if anyone has any info about a custom turbo kit or has one could you pass it along to me...thanks people....im out :D

thursday

01-18-2005, 12:20 AM

i can see that a couple of people are talking about "could the engine/tranny deal with the extra power/it wasnt made to handle it"...well if you do get a turbo kit, more than likely you would have to get a new heavy duty clutch(ACT makes a nice one), as for the engine, yes, you would have to spend some money to make sure that the turbo doesnt blow it up...i still think there is no way on god's green earth that i would pay 4k for 40hp and no one else should...bottom line...plus turbo's can be tuned to the heavens while the best thing you can do for a s/c is replace the belt or something like that(i dont know too much about s/c since i do not like them at all, no psssst=no sale)...anyway ok people hope this helped a lil bit...go on brush them shoulders off...sorry listenin to young hova

zoltiz

01-18-2005, 02:43 PM

i dont know too much about s/c since i do not like them at all, no psssst=no sale...
Buddy, would you promise to never post here again if we all pitched in and bought you a 'psssst' emulator off eBay?

eeyoredragon

01-18-2005, 02:45 PM

komik

01-18-2005, 03:03 PM

Here ya go:

Why spend thousands of dollars on a turbo system if you just want the awesome sound? This machined aluminum exhaust insert sits inside your exhaust pipe:
http://mywebsite.register.com/db2/00189/ebmunds.com/_uimages/003.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4520027784&category=33742

PunkInDrublic

01-18-2005, 03:20 PM

TKE_BH964

01-18-2005, 04:45 PM

That thing is to funny. In the description of the "whistler" they actually explain what thread lock is.

Anywho...

I think what a lot of people keep forgetting about this supercharger is that it doesn't void the warrenty. In my mind, this makes it worth the price. Yes, 4k for 40 hp is a lot of money for that amount of gain. However, show me another way to make 40 hp without voiding your factory warrenty?

zoltiz

01-18-2005, 04:58 PM

^^^ finally the voice of reason. People who are saying that a turbo can make 100hp for $3K are not really correct. Initial cost is $3K, but how much $$$ would you spend on maintanance and repairs in the next 5 years? For the TRD supercharger it is $0, for turbo - can be as much as the cost of the new engine plus labor, or maybe even more. So stop saying that 40hp of TRD SC is too expensive...

thursday

01-18-2005, 11:35 PM

yeah thats real funny..ha ha ha...but no amount of money will shut me up...i guess u fools who got beef should just get sum earplugs...and no i would never buy that thing, ive seen it on ebay before...i just want a turbo...and eeyore and zoltiz...u both can kiss my big white keister

thursday

01-18-2005, 11:36 PM

and dont call me buddy..punk

eeyoredragon

01-19-2005, 12:16 AM

So cute when he's mad ;)

thursday

01-19-2005, 01:29 AM

and i know this too =P

Joe_Dezod

01-19-2005, 03:57 AM

Well back on topic...

The supercharger allows for virtually maintenence free operation. Many people want this who don't have time or money to deal with the hassle of turbo-charging their car and paying for tuning and new parts. Let's not forget about the warranty again. It's an easy power gain, and because of the centrifigal design for our car, we can easily double the gain down the road (adding 80WHP to the base HP number).

A better exhaust, more tuning, under drive pulley, and intake should be able to yeild a decent amount more power.

All in time. As more companies produce kits and parts we'll see how this all works out. Until then, we can only speculate.

endlessracingz

01-19-2005, 04:16 PM

I don't think that he wants a turbo for the right reasons. Wanting one just to want one isn't a valid reason and shouldn't have been posted.

Anyways yes back to the topic. I think the best thing to do is just wait it out. Everyone is in a huge hurry to get these performance enhancing items like the TRD supercharger when there are tons of other kits coming out within the same year. Obviously the warranty is going to be the large issue but for that you just have to simply look at what you want the car to do and what you bought it for. Daily driving or performance aspect with a daily driver? I personally would prefer a trubo setup because of my experiences in the past with them and the resources I have available relating to them.

Warranty is important but either way it will affect the relaiablility and life of the car.

thursday

01-19-2005, 08:28 PM

i dont want one just to want one...i want one because you can tune the turbo alot more than u can tune a s/c...i know it might come out being a good amount more money but i will be happy with the extra power and tunability(if that is a word)...if the s/c could blow @70-80 hp extra to the wheels, then i might change my mind, but for now im liking the turbo

endlessracingz

01-20-2005, 12:48 PM

Glyphon

01-21-2005, 03:46 AM

i searched, and didn't find anything on the subject (maybe my string was off, but anywho...)

regardless, i know its just theory at this point, but how well will the factory exhaust perform with the supercharger? is it free flowing enough, or will those who opt for the s/c need to upgrade their exhaust?

Joe_Dezod

01-21-2005, 06:21 AM

Our stock exhaust isn't that bad. A better header will help if you want to keep the cost down.

With a S/C, going to something liek a 3" header-back would just seem way too loud and raspy to me. With a turbo, 3" is fine.

I think 2.5-2.6" is the way to go with a S/C. A better flowing muffler will help too in addition to the pipes.

LittleZeke77

01-21-2005, 09:07 AM

If i remember right, back in the first few months of the tC, the protypes with the TRD s/c were paired with the TRD exhaust. TRD claims that they designed that exhaust with the s/c in mind, and all their testing was on the s/c'd car.

endlessracingz

01-21-2005, 01:11 PM

so the TRD S/C will need the TRD exhaust to perform as they mention with a full 40hp increase? If you don't get the TRD exhaust you won't get the full 40hp increase?

thursday

01-21-2005, 06:13 PM

thursday I am glad that your just not one of those people who want a turbo just to have one. There are and will always be different advantages and disadvantages to the supercharger / turbocharger war. The only problem is one has a warranty and the other will make the warranties invalid. In any case if you are confident that you can custom make a turbo system that will not blow your engine up, then go for it. I know the tC is a great price but is it worth the risk right now?

I am completely stuck with what I would do. I would prefer to turbo the tC however the warranty issue is very important. Luckily I don't have my tC yet otherwise the decision would be even more difficult.

i feel ya man...i mean im not looking to blow like 300 hp from the tc...if the s/c can push it to @230, of course i would go for the s/c instead of the turbo...i just think that when the s/c comes out its only gonna do @40-50 extra hp, then i will have to go with the turbo...it is risky but then again there is risk invovled with everything you put on a car...when i do go with either the turbo or s/c, its not gonna be until at least the summer so all im doing is trying to gather info, but u got sum good points man...aight people...laters

turbocivic

01-22-2005, 03:01 PM

not meaning to bust anybodies bubble, but we (Toyota parts dept.) were in contact with TRD yesterday, and they seem to be hinting at not producing this thing at all.

and if it were me, I'd turbo that thing...like my Honda :P

oldman

01-22-2005, 03:27 PM

I saw a sports compact mag where they installed the realy high high quality completely engineered Edelbrock kit on a Civic and pop the engine just after the 177 WHP dyno run. No thanks, I kid of want my engine to last more then um two days. If I wanted to go REALLY fast I would have got a Neon turbo. :P

BTW I've built many many many turbo charged cars starting in the early 70s on 2TG twin cam Toytotas, all my cars have had a turbo setup: Corolla 72, Corolla SR5 73, CRX 88, Integra 90, Integra GS-R 94, Volvo V40, Volvo V70, Jetta TDI, and I may boost the Scion. That said 40 HP under factory backing is worth 100 you pay for it yourself. :no:

StAthAttAN_kID05

01-22-2005, 06:44 PM

Have you heard anything about the possiblity of TRD ever distributing a turbo charger for the tC. Superchargers are niice but turbos is where its at especially if wanna be eating up the other import competition. Ive heard that GReddy might be dropping a bolt-on turbo for the tC but id rather keep it in the family and have option of going TRD.

smash

01-22-2005, 06:45 PM

mach5

01-22-2005, 07:16 PM

each rep is saying diffrent things

we heard that they are producing it

smash

01-22-2005, 07:33 PM

yeah.. they're all on crack if you ask me. Toyota has no reason NOT to produce the damn thing.. the tC is wildly popular and I believe they stand to make a boatload of money off it if they do. however, i'm sure they have their own reasons for not producing it as well.. if they choose to go that route.

RoryC

01-22-2005, 09:18 PM

Any rep saying there not, is privy to nothing but rumors. My parts department just got the TRD bulletin, assuring the realse of the tC in late april, eairly may. It could be eairlier, but that is the latest itll be out, incase of any unexpected delays,

nairod

01-22-2005, 11:23 PM

:blah: I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. A bit of what everyone is saying is true. The last Toyota meeting I attended we were told that indeed the SC was going to be released in April. We also found out that the reason they didn't release it a few months ago was because there had been a few systems that had come out(competitors) that prompted them to up the anty and add more power to the system. Thats why it's a bit late.

As for price, the rep talked about a price tag of around 2995.00. Then I would imagine depending on the hourly install rate of each dealer that number will be between 3500 to 4000. Our dealer charges around 55 an hour. But needless to say it will be 4000 or less installed.

And finally about HP Gains. Initially they were targeting 200-205hp. Then they redesigned the entire system. That you can see by looking at the pics of the system from 6 months ago to the pics that are out now. You can see some changes they made. The last numbers that were projected were 250HP. At the wheels that will be prob around 220HP or so.
Something interesting to add to that that I havn't seen mentioned is that they(trd rep and tech) also spoke of options on the SC. They hinted at a 3 stage system. Base S1-then an S2 with intercooler- and S3 with fuel management. If that will be the case I can see how they will be able to target the whole scion personalization theory based on the individual.

I am supposed to goto another Trd/Scion meeting on the 28th. I will be sure to ask some clarifying questions and hope to have some updated info after the meeting.
I hope this helps to clarify things a tad bit.
In case anybody was wondering I am the Scion director at one of the Tx. locations.

nairod

01-22-2005, 11:47 PM

I decided to post pics of the old and new SC systems.
Oldsystem firsthttp://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/news/2004-05-27/U515P33T2D66567F2021DT20040527162346.jpg

and the new systemhttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2004/photos/l_0522Scion_tC_Sports_C.jpg

KYBoy

01-22-2005, 11:58 PM

i think 220 whp would be nice if that was the stage 1. IMO if it was 220 whp stage 1, +20-30 hp with stage 2, and another 20 hp w/ stage 3, 260-270 hp.
I hope nairod is right, b/c 205hp would not be worth it

that new system looks pretty nice

xnevergiveinx

01-23-2005, 12:25 AM

i don't want to sound like a _____...but i think the tC makes a hell of alot of horsepower for a sporty little coupe. i mean, unless i get into racing, i really wouldn't have any need for a supercharger other than showing off that i have one on my car. to me, $3000 plus installation doesn't seem like a great deal for a possible 40-60 hp. sorry guys, i guess it's just not for me.

hal9000

01-23-2005, 12:32 AM

now late April early May...hey...whats another months worth of power train warranty down the tubes..hopefully all the planets will be aligned correctly and the Pope will give his blessing to TRD so late April won't turn into "the s/c will be out late Summer"..last summer that is.. :yawn:

smash

01-23-2005, 01:51 AM

hey.. for the kinds of setups possibly being offered by TRD, it's well worth the wait for me. plus i'd rather them properly research and develop the thing than just slap it together and throw it out on the market simply to satisfy the drooling masses.

eeyoredragon

01-23-2005, 05:01 AM

KYBoy

01-23-2005, 06:11 AM

thursday

01-23-2005, 06:12 PM

[quote="KYBoy"]i think 220 whp would be nice if that was the stage 1. IMO if it was 220 whp stage 1, +20-30 hp with stage 2, and another 20 hp w/ stage 3, 260-270 hp.
I hope nairod is right, b/c 205hp would not be worth it
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my thoughts exactly...it would be cool if it was a stage 3 s/c with all that extra stuff...keepin my fingers crossed

endlessracingz

01-23-2005, 06:41 PM

:bow: if the TRD supercharger can get 220whp and more for the other stages if that is true. Then I think it is way worth it especially if you have the warranty still. TRD seems to be on the right track with redeisgning the s/c.

jaycarneygiants

01-24-2005, 01:19 PM

I went to a dealer in massachusetts three days ago and he said it is available now installed by them for around $1800-$2100.

endlessracingz

01-24-2005, 01:24 PM

I am so completely confused as to if the s/c is out or when it is going to be coming out and the specs of it.

nairod

01-24-2005, 03:07 PM

:tap: With April quickly approaching there is bound to be some solid info in the weeks to come about the SC. The main thing to remember is that it's better to wait a bit longer to get a better system and also and most importantly, to have a system that is fully backed and warrantied by Toyota 100%. 3 to 4K for some people is not worth it, but imagine buying a turbo for 3-4k and get a bit more horsepower them BOOM!!!!! something malfunctions, try to bring it to a Toyota service dept then and let me know what they say. I guarantee you it won't be pretty. Bottom line it's covered and most likely upgradable, that in itself is enough for me. If all else fails there is always NOS!!!!!!!!!!!

Gmoney

01-24-2005, 03:34 PM

If all else fails there is always NOS!!!!!!!!!!!

hahaha dont ya mean NAWSSSSS haha. man im really siked about this sc kit.

endlessracingz

01-24-2005, 04:45 PM

Cause you know nitrous oxide doesn't blow engines or void warranties too... Its the poor mans turbo.

chopstickhero

01-25-2005, 12:53 AM

all this reading and nobody is talking about engine management....

yes, probably a bolt on will net you 40+ hp, but with engine managment (or even just a APEXi AFC) and proper tuning, this will increase hp even more. most cars are designed to run really rich anyways, so even an NA car can benefit from some kind of AF correction.

Diluvium

01-25-2005, 06:38 PM

what? 3k-4k? I saw a price in SCIONLIFE.com parts say 2699.00

i wonder will this TRD SC will include the car monthly payment...
i hope not so that i could pay monthly on it seperately

and im ____ed off that this SC isnt out yet!

most likely the SC will be 3k but not on the 4k, because the camry's SC is about 3.6k. hopefully its 2699.00 ahaha

well lets see how much is the SC and TC on april 1st

Jdawg82

01-25-2005, 07:42 PM

I went to a dealer in massachusetts three days ago and he said it is available now installed by them for around $1800-$2100.

What dealer was it? I live in Massachusetts as well and if this is true I am going to go down there today and buy it.

jaycarneygiants

01-25-2005, 10:04 PM

The salesman I dealt withwasJustin Casey. He was very helpful. He gaveme that price quote as anestimation andsaid he would get the exact price for me. He called me back the next day and I have yet to return his call. He told me about $1800-$2100. He also said it would give about 210hp total. Give them a call and let me know what you came up with...

Jdawg82

01-25-2005, 10:42 PM

I will definetly give them a call. However I need a dealer name and location to do so.

jaycarneygiants

01-25-2005, 11:59 PM

The dealer name was on my subject line......Lia Toyota Scion of Wilbraham......and if you hadn't guessed by now the location is Wilbraham, MA on Boston road. ok

jaycarneygiants

01-26-2005, 03:08 AM

http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/2005/vmd10845ov.html This article says the Supercharger is available

JLTD

01-26-2005, 02:48 PM

I was reading through one of those "New Car Buyer's" guides and looked at what they had to say about Scion. They mentioned in the review that the TC they drove was equipped with the TRD S/C.

jaycarneygiants

01-26-2005, 10:59 PM

I finally got the chance to call over there today and a different saleman told me the SC was not out yet and that he did not know when it would be coming out. He said that it would be covered under warranty even if you had it installed post purchase. He also said the price installed should be about $1900. So take that info for what it's worth.

jaycarneygiants

01-26-2005, 11:02 PM

Does anyone know if this supercharger will require you to use premium fuel? Also any approximation of MPG it will cause you to lose?

Diluvium

01-26-2005, 11:15 PM

what? 1900 for installation? for the TRD SC?
ahhh.... thats hell of a alot!

i would be damned if they charged that much for installation, if thats true, im goin for turbo. i can get it installed for cheaper, then again compare prices and finance charges....

this is FAUSTRATING!!!

jaycarneygiants

01-26-2005, 11:27 PM

what? 1900 for installation? for the TRD SC?
ahhh.... thats hell of a alot!
this is FAUSTRATING!!!

That is the price of the SC installed. Which means the part AND installation together. At least that's the number the saleman gave me. It was from Lia Toyoto of Wilbraham and this guys name I think was Rick.

hal9000

01-27-2005, 02:27 AM

...

hal9000

01-27-2005, 02:27 AM

if they're quoting $1,900 for an installed TRD s/c..i'll pay for it tomorrow and make them stick to their word when it comes in...

jaycarneygiants

01-27-2005, 03:36 AM

if they're quoting $1,900 for an installed TRD s/c..i'll pay for it tomorrow and make them stick to their word when it comes in...

Well the phone number there is 413-596-2000. like I said I spoke to Rick (pretty sure) and when asked about the price he said about $1900 installed. The name of the place is Lia Toyota/Scion of Wilbraham.....good luck

KYBoy

01-27-2005, 06:01 AM

1900 installed seems kinda low.
is this just me or anyone else thinking the same thing?

not saying its not true, i believe that the dealer said it, it just seems low

adamstc

01-27-2005, 07:01 AM

jaycarneygiants

01-27-2005, 07:25 AM

1900 installed seems kinda low.
is this just me or anyone else thinking the same thing?

not saying its not true, i believe that the dealer said it, it just seems low

Well, I put the number up for anyone who would like to call. It does seem a little low compared to the prices of the other SC made by TRD but then again the tc itself seems low compared to the Carolla.....I guess we'll see soon enough

jaycarneygiants

01-27-2005, 07:28 AM

i think the saleman was just pulling it out his butt, they do that a lot, almost none off them know anything about the cars they sell they tell you the world to make the sale,
i know because i work at a dealership (not toyota) .

I'm not gonna disagree about that cause I have seen it first hand. However I did have two different slaesmen on two seperate occasions tell me $1800-$2100 and then $1900.

Let's all try to stay positive about this price. The whole point of Scion was to appeal to a younger market and with that came a lower price for the cars. Why can't the SC be included in that same price point?

TheKnown

01-27-2005, 07:49 AM

because a supercharger that low is unheard of, i wouldnt complain about it.... would just be shocked. count me in for the SC if its true

jaycarneygiants

01-27-2005, 09:11 AM

Again I have to go back to the fact that a 160 hp car of Toyota quality with the specs it has for $16000 is also "unheard" of.

I don't know alot about the price points of SC and TC however I do have a wide knowledge base of car price points. When I see this Toyota product (having driven it I am of the opinion that it is a fun and quality car) with these specs at the price it's at I have a hard time believing it. Yet there it is.

endlessracingz

01-27-2005, 12:32 PM

I believe they are pulling it out of their butts and more than likely if you where to call them and try to pay for it now they would tell you that that price is an estimate and they will not know the actual price until they recieve the parts. However, if you can get them to stick to it good! Dealerships need to get their arse's bitten once and a while.

Not saying It can't be true, this is all just my opinion.

jrv2000

01-27-2005, 07:14 PM

today was the infamous scion meeting right? Please we need updated info about the stage kits and supercharger specs. :pray: Thanks, JOhn

hal9000

01-27-2005, 11:45 PM

i agree about the $1,900 sounding low...but when they first showed the tC and listed all the standard equipment Toyota said the price would be below 20k..i was thinking 18-19k..not 15!..let's hope they pull off another shocker with the s/c...

hahaitzskippy

01-28-2005, 01:17 AM

how bout we jus wish the SC pushes out at least 60hp and cost around $1900.

ya? sounds like a good idea to me!

lets keep hoping

jrv2000

01-29-2005, 07:43 AM

hey, what happened to this meeting that happened Fri? where is all the new info we were suppost to be getting on pricing, hp gains and stage kits? Were waiting :tap: ....... :P

nairod

01-29-2005, 03:55 PM

:pray: Here you go jrv2000 Ok here's the deal. I got back from the meeting with some very interesting info about the SC. I don't know how accurate the rep was , and the reason I say that is because if what he says is true then the wait will be more than worth it. From what he was telling me it will be out around April. And he spoke of engine management and all that good stuff. He also spoke of diff. systems and depending on the set-up he spoke of HP gains of 100 up to 200!!!! Man I hope thats true. I have some pics I took that I will try to post in the next day or so of the stuff I saw at the meeting. Pics of the SC and some Info on the system itself. Good info about the SC being cooled by engine oil running through it and such. I will post an update later on today with some of those specs. I hope this helps for now.

jrv2000

01-29-2005, 04:06 PM

damn!!!!! 100 - 200 hp increase with an intact warrenty would be awsome. Lets just hope that the rep was not spewing out b.s. Cant wait to see your pics, and for all of this to be official. Sorry for being so impatient

John

nairod

01-29-2005, 04:53 PM

I forgot to add a few things. It will depending on the set-up run between $3-4000. Also the unbeleivable SC system will be 100% covered by Toyota for 5 years/60,000 miles. It will be a maintenance free SC that maintains itself. It's lubrication system uses pre filtered engine oil that is injected directly onto the drive gears to keep the system running smooth and cause less friction even at very high temps. It's going to be a centrifugal system that was redesigned to look like a turbo. The housing and internal impellers are shaped like a turbo but without the lag because it's belt driven. It will come complete with a bypass valve, new high performance spark plugs and upgraded fuel management lines. Also an enhanced intake. The SC will be specifically tuned to max out tC performance. Mixing compressed air with additional fuel when needed to maximize power output. I hope to have the pics up soon.

KYBoy

01-29-2005, 05:29 PM

sounds good if its true
3-4k for 40 hp not worth it
3-4k for 60hp maybe if stage kits available
3-4k for 100hp worth it

adamstc

01-29-2005, 06:33 PM

that sounds more like it vortech is known for power so it got me mad when everyone was saying 40hp, if you look at there site they make the most power it will be nothing like any other thing trd has done its a diff style and made by a seperate company, also i wonder if you can get a smaller pulley up the boost and ad the after cooler or even an intercooler, that would be nice, i will get the setup the day it gets out, if is 3000- 4000 or 5k it will be worth it, with all the stuff included,

nairod

01-29-2005, 07:28 PM

also i wonder if you can get a smaller pulley up the boost and ad the after cooler or even an intercooler, that would be nice,

I know that will be the first thing people will do, and I bet it will work. That would be awesome. Xtra boost anyone? :clap:

sportmaned

01-30-2005, 01:08 AM

But after you change some of that stuff and something goes wrong will warranty cover that? if not why not go with a killer turbo kit for 4k?

Jdawg82

01-30-2005, 04:25 AM

The reason I am not going with a turbo kit is because I think trd has a little bit more research and design into thier supercharger kit than any turbo kit manufacturer does. I am not just going to slap a turbo kit on my car that hasnt been tested for long term reliabilty, and the effects it could have on the engine. One of the reasons the supercharger is taking so long to come out is because of all this testing and development.

Joe_Dezod

01-30-2005, 04:52 AM

Any of those pics yet man? Haha... we're all waitin!

Otocan

01-30-2005, 06:04 AM

adamstc

01-30-2005, 06:42 AM

1. think about what your saying first,( 320 crank hp-420 crank hp) what no the thing will have 260 or 280 crank , 220- 240 wheel that would be nice, also if you look at the pic's of the kit it has new injectors and it will have an ecu update, take a look at the 7 injector kit for the tacoma, stop ranting and pay attention.

justinb

01-30-2005, 07:51 AM

mach5

01-30-2005, 01:28 PM

Harman

01-30-2005, 05:54 PM

spwolf

01-31-2005, 02:26 AM

4k for 100hp and warranty would be deal of the century... heck 3k and 60hp would also be deal of the century, w/o installation of course....

aarontrini85

01-31-2005, 03:09 AM

with it being a vortec supercharger i think the gains we will see will looke like these

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/yourcar/99-00civic.html

and these are the prices we should expect maybe a little more (but probly alot more) since its from a dealer

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=161916&prmenbr=361

and for lazy peaple who dont want to click on links here are the prices

Acura/Honda
933-4HC218-010SQ Honda Civic Si 1.6L 1999-00, V-5 SQ G-Trim | Dyno Chart | More Details $3199.99
933-4HC218-020SQ Honda Civic Si 1.6L 1999-00, V-5 SQ G-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | View Product | More Details $4319.99
933-4HC218-028SQ Honda Civic Si 1.6L 1999-00, Polished V-5 SQ G-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | More Details $4502.99
933-4HS218-010SQ Honda S2000 2000-02, V-2 SQ SC-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | More Details $4787.99
933-4HS218-018SQ Honda S2000 2000-02, Polished V-2 SQ SC-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | More Details $5029.99

and here are the gains

Supercharging System with V-5 SQ G-Trim for 1999-2000 1.6 Civic Si
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/images/4hc218-010s_graph.gif

Supercharging System with V-5 SQ G-Trim & Maxflow Charge Cooler for 1999-2000 1.6 Civic Si

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/images/4hc218-020s_graph.gif

oldman

01-31-2005, 04:06 AM

I would think the TC would show bigger gains, it is a bigger engine with a lower CR to start with. The B16 Honda engine has a short rod and a much smaller exhaust too. I sure it will be be dumbed down for TRD (make it supper safe) but I think there will be version with some big power.

Oh and the open deck desgn is not an issue till you make big $$$. I've seen far more blown pistons then crack blocks on Honda racers both before and after all these block stabalizer plates.

I expect great things from the TC, just because of the large stroke. Oh yes I've had several turbo charge engines including B18C (Integra GSR).

As I've said a stock TC puts out MORE torque to the wheels then a Jackson racing supercharged Civic with a 2.0 K20 engine! 147 vs 143 ft-lbs.

nairod

01-31-2005, 02:10 PM

But after you change some of that stuff and something goes wrong will warranty cover that? if not why not go with a killer turbo kit for 4k?

That's why you keep the stock pulley and if you take it in to service put the stock pulley back on. Bingo!!!!

endlessracingz

01-31-2005, 02:19 PM

Yep, as long as its a bolt on part you can always revert back to stock or within warranty specs and they can't prove it wasn't that way the entire time weather it was or wasn't.

apexjr

02-01-2005, 04:48 AM

For one no high tech low friction engine and tranny is going to have anywhere near 20% drivetrain loss. Try close to 13-15% max. Oil's alone can run a 2% savings. And 2nd, yes the thing might be parasitic, but it doesn't matter because it compensates for it. The whole turbo better then SC, and vs versa is BS. They both have there own applications and are both highly used on the drag strip. SC are good on the street where minimum lag and typically low low rpms (less then 3k)is requested. Turbos are nice on the track since you have your foot to the ground 90% of the time anyways with RPM high... there is no lag on the track with a good turbo.

Otocan

02-01-2005, 07:18 AM

I'm sorry but 100-200HP out of a supercharger IS BS - period. they're parasitic loss generators, that would mean the 160HP engine would run at say 260 crank HP, with about 20% parasitic loss which would be almost 320 crank HP - at 200hp increase it would be running true at OVER 420 HORSEPOWER - that is impossible on stock internals. Scionspeed was reaching the limit on the stock internals at 300, there is no way on this planet TRD is doing that, everything I've heard is that they are PUSHING to get 220 out of the engine unless you completely scrap the fuel management system which would be pointless. The odds are, 200 WHEEL horsepower OR 220 CRANK horsepower, and if you're lucky, 220 WHEEL horsepower but one way or another TRD is taking the extra time on the blower because they want more power out of it but are running into problems on the stock engine fuel management system. They want to beat the new cars with this system (ion redline, cobalt SS, mini cooper S, TSX type-S, and try to compete with the SRT-4)

again, this is all rumor and speculation and minor hidden truths passed around, but 100-200 crank HP under warranty is impossible. This is a camry engine, not a 2JZ

Enlighten me with your maths....

160 HP (stock) + 100 HP (increased) = 260 HP at the crank.
And you're using 20% drivetrain loss, 260 HP *0.8 = 208 wHP.
So, question is, how did you come up with 320 crank HP?

Furthermore, if SC provides 200HP (quite a large number, but let say it's plausible at this point)

160 HP (stock) + 200 HP (increased) = 360 HP at the crank.
And you're using 20% drivetrain loss, 360 HP *0.8 = 288 wHP.
So, question is, how did you come up with 420 HP?

Before you call the whole thing BS, do your math!

didn't reply in so long because I thought this thread would've died by now - the crank horsepower numbers are what the engine is going through because a supercharger is a parasitic loss energy generator, it takes power to make power which means your engine is suffering through the power the supercharger is stealing. It's not free power like a turbocharger with the offset of high-maintenance, high heat spooling turbo. If the supercharger has to steal 50hp to make 100hp, you're only making an extra 50hp but your engine is suffering through a 150hp increase. That's where the crank numbers come from, what's going on inside the engine. Granted "at the crank" usually refers to as "before drivetrain loss" but a supercharger could be considered part of the drivetrain because it affects the horsepower before it reaches the wheels.

I don't exactly know the percentage the blower is stealing, but 20% is a rough and probably somewhat accurate statement, everything else is right on the money with drivetrain loss being 13-15% (even though I never even mentioned drivetrain loss, I was showing you what that surreal 100-200hp increase would do to your engine)

Jdawg82

02-01-2005, 04:47 PM

Has there been any mention of two seperate kits for automatic and manual? I have a manual but was just wondering if trd is going to detune the supercharger to have less strain on the weaker automatic transmission.

nairod

02-01-2005, 09:22 PM

Here are two pics I got of the tC supercharger to be out on April 1st.http://www.tctunerz.com/images/stories/albums/sciontc-engine-trdsc/05tcsupercharger.jpg

http://www.tctunerz.com/images/stories/albums/sciontc-engine-trdsc/tcSCparts.jpg :bow:

KYBoy

02-04-2005, 04:31 AM

anyone have any new info?

Mediocre_Generica

02-04-2005, 10:40 AM

new injectors means either lots more power or they're being safe.

SUPERtC

02-04-2005, 12:13 PM

Anyone notice the Date APRIL 1st. Hope its not an April fools joke.

f1nch

02-04-2005, 04:49 PM

i dont know if anyone heard this either .....but the guy at the parts dept over by me said that when it does in fact come out ....they will be putting them on cars that are bought with them directly 1st and shipping the ones for people that already have a tc 2nd.....sooo we may be looking at some serious back order problems....all assuming of course that its a good deal (i.e. 3-4k for 100hp) and everyone wants to buy one.....i wanna start droppin money on so i can reserve it soon but only if its gonna be worth it and until we get some actual numbers!@!!!@#$#$!@!$#$!#$!!!!!!

adamstc

02-04-2005, 05:56 PM

i just hope it comes out im tired of waiting, no more aem intake i put the money to the supercharger i think im the only one that has a down payment on it because i payed for the intake back in june, so i am the first in line at rsm scion (no they are not taking down payments part # not released)

sa_gi_scion

02-04-2005, 08:16 PM

just got off the phone with trdusa. the sales rep told me that they are pushing back the release to may now! geez can they ever realease anything on time. still no price est either. lets just hope that they dont turn this into the same deal they did with the celica supercharger. first they said it would be out in 2001 finally it comes out it in 2004 and to top it all off it only comes out for the gt not the gt-s. now that its out for the celica, the car will be discontinued for 2006 and beyond. what a bunch of crap. thank god i am trading that car in for the scion tc. that is why i am hoping they dont turn this into a celica deal. please let the sc come out soonnnnnnn!!