Notices
Scion xB 1st-Gen Owners Lounge
First Generation 2004-2006.5 [NCP31]

weight reduction and mileage gains

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 05:29 PM
  #1  
Fuesad's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 21
From: Florida
Default weight reduction and mileage gains

Using my box as a delivery vehicle and was wondering what if any fuel mileage gains can be accomplished with removing all that is not necessary, seats, door panels, etc...

Anyone stripped an XB to see what kind of weight can be removed?

Fuesad
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 05:43 PM
  #2  
ack154's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 16,701
Default

It should theoretically improve your mileage, but it's hard to say how much. Would obviously depend on how much weight you really lost.
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 05:55 PM
  #3  
Improbcat's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 280
From: RI
Default

Not much, you'd have to remove a pretty substantial amount of weight for it to add up to any noticeable savings.

Changing you driving style would be the biggest place for improvement. Pull away from lights more slowly, coast whenever possible, start slowing down early for stops, keep it between 60-65mph on the highway, etc. the more gently you drive the less gas you'll use.

You can get some slight improvements (1mpg TOPS!)by upping your tire pressure to 38-40psi
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 06:18 PM
  #4  
ack154's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 16,701
Default

Originally Posted by Improbcat
You can get some slight improvements (1mpg TOPS!)by upping your tire pressure to 38-40psi
Except that would cause uneven tire wear... by wearing down the middle of the tread first. So you'll be paying for more tires instead of gas.
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 06:25 PM
  #5  
Improbcat's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 280
From: RI
Default

Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by Improbcat
You can get some slight improvements (1mpg TOPS!)by upping your tire pressure to 38-40psi
Except that would cause uneven tire wear... by wearing down the middle of the tread first. So you'll be paying for more tires instead of gas.
Not really. the carcasses in modern radial tires are much more rigid and don't allow for the tread to bow as much as they used to (and nowhere near what bias-plys allowed). hypermilers have been running overpressure for years and none have noticed abnormal tire wear or uneven wear.

EDIT: I've been running with 38-42psi in my tires since I bought my xB 18 months ago, and show no excessive wearing of the center of the tires. In fact the most wear is at the outer edges of the front ones from autocrossing (at 45psi cold).
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 09:48 PM
  #6  
HeathenBrewing's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,457
From: Earth
Default

Originally Posted by Improbcat
Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by Improbcat
You can get some slight improvements (1mpg TOPS!)by upping your tire pressure to 38-40psi
Except that would cause uneven tire wear... by wearing down the middle of the tread first. So you'll be paying for more tires instead of gas.
Not really. the carcasses in modern radial tires are much more rigid and don't allow for the tread to bow as much as they used to (and nowhere near what bias-plys allowed). hypermilers have been running overpressure for years and none have noticed abnormal tire wear or uneven wear.

EDIT: I've been running with 38-42psi in my tires since I bought my xB 18 months ago, and show no excessive wearing of the center of the tires. In fact the most wear is at the outer edges of the front ones from autocrossing (at 45psi cold).
I too run a higher psi - 39 in my case. Been running that since 10K miles, and Im at right about 50K now, doing tire rotations evey 8-10K miles. Lincolns head is still hiding in the tread and Im running the stock tires.
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 09:51 PM
  #7  
HeathenBrewing's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,457
From: Earth
Default

Im not being facetiousby this comment, but I bet you would see a greater gain by losing 10 lbs or so rather than stripping the interior.

Plus, you are getting healthier.

Just my 2 cents.
Old May 1, 2009 | 03:08 AM
  #8  
swartzautoman's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,915
From: Mid MO
Default

Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by Improbcat
You can get some slight improvements (1mpg TOPS!)by upping your tire pressure to 38-40psi
Except that would cause uneven tire wear... by wearing down the middle of the tread first. So you'll be paying for more tires instead of gas.

ive run 40 PSI in my tires since i got my new set.
ive got 8,000 on them with only 2/32 loss, even all the way across.
but then again i rotate the tires every 4,000 miles and i check them every time with a tread depth guage on both sides and the middle



just a side note:

ive always laughed at the type of guy with the 40 pound bear gut talking about how he saved 7 pounds with his new titanium exaust on his Vett.
thats just funny to me
Old May 1, 2009 | 03:19 AM
  #9  
Big_Bird's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member

5 Year Member
Fail, INC

SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,401
From: North NJ / PSU
Default

Might help to lose the giant wheels you have in your avi if you want better mileage.
Old May 1, 2009 | 01:08 PM
  #10  
swartzautoman's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,915
From: Mid MO
Default

you could always do this
http://www.daleholley.com/nissan.htm
Old May 2, 2009 | 01:50 PM
  #11  
WhoKilledTheJAMs's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 492
From: West Linda, CA
Default

Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Originally Posted by Improbcat
Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by Improbcat
You can get some slight improvements (1mpg TOPS!)by upping your tire pressure to 38-40psi
Except that would cause uneven tire wear... by wearing down the middle of the tread first. So you'll be paying for more tires instead of gas.
Not really. the carcasses in modern radial tires are much more rigid and don't allow for the tread to bow as much as they used to (and nowhere near what bias-plys allowed). hypermilers have been running overpressure for years and none have noticed abnormal tire wear or uneven wear.

EDIT: I've been running with 38-42psi in my tires since I bought my xB 18 months ago, and show no excessive wearing of the center of the tires. In fact the most wear is at the outer edges of the front ones from autocrossing (at 45psi cold).
I too run a higher psi - 39 in my case. Been running that since 10K miles, and Im at right about 50K now, doing tire rotations evey 8-10K miles. Lincolns head is still hiding in the tread and Im running the stock tires.
I've been running 45psi or so for a year with really even tire wear.

If you do a lot of highway driving, block off half of the grille (no, really), slow down, and keep your tire pressure up. That will go a very long way.

I also just installed a Rostra cruise control, and this weekend is my first test of it on a long trip, so we'll see how that pans out. I'm hoping to be able to crack 40mpg in hot weather this summer (believe it or not, while you lose power in hot weather, you can actually gain efficiency if you keep your AC use reasonable-- I'll put it on recirculate and only run it a few minutes at a time, and just turn it on and off as I need).
Old May 3, 2009 | 12:40 AM
  #12  
Sciond's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member

5 Year Member
Fail, INC
Club One

SL Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 14,929
From: What's in your Box...
Default

so umm is my audio causing me lose mpg......



maybe





worth it
Old May 3, 2009 | 07:37 AM
  #13  
iphlingpoo's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 395
From: San Francisco, CA
Default

you should be happy with the miles we get on our cars! if youre not satisfied you shoulda got a hybrid
Old May 3, 2009 | 07:49 AM
  #14  
Iceman04503's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,872
From: Oregon
Default

you can remove the sound dampening. those things are heavy.
Old May 3, 2009 | 02:36 PM
  #15  
stew32's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 631
Default

If I were spending a lot of hours driving every day, I'd look at making the xb more comfortable. I'd sacrifice an infinitesimal mpg increase that gutting the interior might gain to add more sound damping for quieter cabin. And run the tires at recommended (or only slightly higher) pressure to keep the ride from being too harsh.
Old May 8, 2009 | 08:58 PM
  #16  
lt4mula's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3
From: Minnesota
Default

look into mixing acetone in you gas tank, haven't tried it personally, but there is a lot of info on the web. There needs to be a specific gas:acetone ratio.
Old May 8, 2009 | 11:27 PM
  #17  
swartzautoman's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,915
From: Mid MO
Default

i have done the acetone thing

3oz acetone and 3oz lucas uper cilinder lube per tank got me an extra 3 MPG on average.
tell you what works better is Tolean (im not sure of the spelling
Old May 9, 2009 | 12:58 AM
  #18  
koalaty2's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member

SL Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 595
From: Lancaster, CA
Default

Since rotating weight reduction is much more noticed than just car weight. Invest in the lightest wheels possible, and stay with the OEM size tire . They have rims 15" under 10 pounds, and that is about 5 pounds per wheel lighter. I have heard 1 lb rotating, is equal to about 10 pounds weight. That would be like a 200 pound reduction. I agree with stew32. don't sacrifice comfort, totally. The very light wheels don't do anything but reduce ratating weight. But even 200 pound reduction (calculated), I doubt if it would improve mileage even .5 mpg. Enjoy the uniqueness of the box.
Old May 9, 2009 | 04:29 AM
  #19  
swartzautoman's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,915
From: Mid MO
Default

yeah the stock steel wheels are around 20 pounds or a tad more.
Old May 9, 2009 | 06:31 AM
  #20  
Zman's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,267
From: DubV
Default

Moon disc wheels help.



All times are GMT. The time now is 07:48 PM.