I can't remember whether the turbokit I found was from greddy or tsi for the xB. I found one that said Turbokit JDM Kit. Will the JDM kit work for the xB? What's the difference.

for starters JDM means "japanese domestic market"... and since they don't make an xB in Japan, then you already know the answer to your question...

the bB is a completely different setup (drivetrain wise)... all wheel drive, 85hp, 6sp manual...

for starters JDM means "japanese domestic market"... and since they don't make an xB in Japan, then you already know the answer to your question...

the bB is a completely different setup (drivetrain wise)... all wheel drive, 85hp, 6sp manual...

Actually, all bB's are automatic. The engines used are 1nz-fe (1.5L VVTi, same as the USDM xB) and the 2nz-fe (1.3L VVTi, same engine, less displacement and power). The kits for these will technically work, although tuning will be different since their emissions are different and they use different octane fuels.

hmm... I didn't realize the transmission difference or the fact that they offered the 1.5... is that one tuned down to like 80-something horsepower??

and what is the pathetic output of the 1.3??

dude u guys know where i could get a full drive train from a bb since we are talking about it i want to have all wheel drive and a 6 speed but i will keep my motor

all wheel drive would be among the most difficult of mods, and the extra weight would make your car unbearably slow... we're talking 0-60 in the 13 to 15 sec range...

I read up on the turbo options and pretty much no matter who you go with you are never gonna see a reliable 160hp... the superchargers are turned to less than 1/2 bar (7psi), and the guys in the power forum say that you pretty much have to do a complete engine rebuild (bottom end) to get anything more than that... rod failure seems to be the limiting factor of the motor...

anyone look into the motor swap?? the Celica GT or GTS would probably be a cool engine swap... anyone ever price this?? I think I had heard rumors that it has been done, but I wanna see pics and talk about the custom pieces that would be needed, from engine mounts to transmission adapters, custom flywheel??

in my opinion, the best thing you can do is mail-order an HKS turbo and have a machine shop install it...raise the PSI to about 16-24 and seal your heads...you'll be runnin 0-60 in about 4 seconds.

but who wants a street engine that has to be rebuilt every weekend?? the tuners trying to get a kit together for the xb/xa's can't get more than like 8 or 9psi... rods are breaking at 175hp... to get a rough estimate of output you can take (14+boost)/14 so 7psi is about a 50% increase...

but who wants a street engine that has to be rebuilt every weekend?? the tuners trying to get a kit together for the xb/xa's can't get more than like 8 or 9psi... rods are breaking at 175hp... to get a rough estimate of output you can take (14+boost)/14 so 7psi is about a 50% increase...

Hmm, the only person that broke anything was EL Prototypes. I, for one, have not broken anything yet @ 8psi. I've been doing this since July...

oh, so since 8psi has worked for a few months... you figure that 16 to 24 is a reasonable goal??

24# would put you at about 270 to 280hp...
16# would put you at about 220 to 230hp...
at 8# you are making about 160 to 170...

wow are all you people newbi's? this aint yo mommas honda block with low compression pistons , this is a high compression off axis crank havin motor. the rods are strong but... the crank is 15 degrees from center bore , ( better for mpg and less wear) but once boosted the rods wanna break up near the piston wrist pin , too much strees under boost , if i were to run forced induction i would run 7psi. i want to get a power enterprises supercharger, as well as an aggressive 3 way head job. with that and my current mods i could be runnin 155 -165 whp. this is all just in preparation for my trd supercharged 1zz or 2zz conversion , i will be runnin the 1zz 5spd with stronger clutch/pressure plate , and better gear ratios for the more powerful motor. still dont know whats gonna be the harder fit , the 2zz or the supercharged 1zz . either way. the 1nzfe without significant building has no way of surviving more than a good hour with more than 10 psi. and alot of other people have killed turbo motors. i believe revHARD killed their motor also , as well as allblackxb here on our scionlife site , and he was stock boosting on an auto with 126whp and he blew the bottom end. these motors just CANNOT hang. They are very efficient in stock trim but DO NOT expect much more outta them. Unfortunately they are good for what they do but just about only that.

oh, so since 8psi has worked for a few months... you figure that 16 to 24 is a reasonable goal??

24# would put you at about 270 to 280hp...
16# would put you at about 220 to 230hp...
at 8# you are making about 160 to 170...
oh and these numbers are in ideal situations minus variables . and as far as reasonable goals read my post above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess I am not following your post at all... either you think you are the t and are here to insult or you are literally the king of the "I'm gonna"...

your second post doesn't make sense, and that is strictly based on your first post... so you think you can make 185hp at the flywheel with 7# and stock internals?? good for you... I didn't realize that Sacramento's physics were that different...

well, I'M GONNA put a V12 in, I'M GONNA put all wheel drive, I'M GONNA put a 42" plasma in my dash, I'M GONNA...

good for you Hotbox05, your future experience has really helped us out here, you seem to have missed the point... this is a learning forum for question and answer - you have offered neither, shouldn't you be over in the "I'M GONNA" forums telling of how spectacular your engineering skills are and how you can defy the physics...

It has already been proven the connecting rods will not withstand more than 7 psi, that and the fact you need new injectors w/ a higher flow, a new fuel pump, and tweaking of the ECU. I have yet toi hear anyone that has cracked into the ECU. Now, I have been wrong in the past, so if someone knows more, please post up.

well, if you really WANNA get up to 500hp out of your engine, get an HKS T-40R turbo, boost the PSI to 24#, replace the rods, pistons, cams, flywheel, clutch, intake manifold, get an underdrive pulley kit (AEM is best imo), seal your heads, get some stage 4 axles, tub it on slicks, gut, and cage it. $30k later, you have a 9 second scion. and it IS possible...oh yes...its VERY possible.

LOL...sorry to burst your bubble but 25psi wont even get 500hp. My buddies 240sx runs 27psi and gets 462whp and thats 50hp more from the start with a complete build up. I don't see the stock block pushin that high for a few more years and even then I don't believe people will make the parts to fully redo the engine.

With that last comment making it seem like you're actually building a car like that...you totally sound like a buddy of mines who's duin a 2jz unibody xB.

Connecting rods will not stand 7psi? That's absolute bull____...they will hold that daily for years to come with proper tuning and fuel/timing upgrades.

"that and the fact you need new injectors w/ a higher flow, a new fuel pump, and tweaking of the ECU"

Totally agree...If you do a turbo and don't do that then you're a COMPLETE MORON and I would pay you to let me beat your dumbass into the ground.

Who ever wanted the AWD bB...my buddy has one for sale in cali for $7k with NO ENGINE.

This thread has turned to garbage.

I guess I am not following your post at all... either you think you are the t and are here to insult or you are literally the king of the "I'm gonna"...

your second post doesn't make sense, and that is strictly based on your first post... so you think you can make 185hp at the flywheel with 7# and stock internals?? good for you... I didn't realize that Sacramento's physics were that different...

well, I'M GONNA put a V12 in, I'M GONNA put all wheel drive, I'M GONNA put a 42" plasma in my dash, I'M GONNA...

good for you Hotbox05, your future experience has really helped us out here, you seem to have missed the point... this is a learning forum for question and answer - you have offered neither, shouldn't you be over in the "I'M GONNA" forums telling of how spectacular your engineering skills are and how you can defy the physics...
ok bro , whatever , and my numbers are very reachable with fuel , and head mods. and i am not here to insult , it's just outrageous for anyone to think 16+ psi on these motors. and i also never said 185hp i said 155-165whp. dude you're bein way too cocky , relax . If i came across as a dick I apologize. but people these motors can't take too much boost. and don't hate on people with realistic goals whether they be in the future or now. i mean what are YOU doing RIGHT now? lets all chill

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God damn Joe you kill me. Of course the frighting thing is I'm just reading this a 3:23 in the morning. Who's the one tweeking again!?!

Also not to knock any of you wanting to boost, but it just doesn't make sense to me to increase the HP of a BOX. Its no Supra and it never is going to be. Its a cruzer... I say just have fun in it and injoy the money your saving on gas specially if you live in cali. If you really want a fast vehicle trade the box in and get something else.

Just be sure to wave when you pass my ___ in the slow lane, but don't worry for me cause I will have the time to stop and stare at the ladies :rofl:

OK that it for me before I get one of these: :blah:

hahah damn tweeker

the only reason I am remotely interested is due to my elevation... I am at 5000 ft and drive every weekend to over 10,000ft... so there is no friggin air... all the Subarus and VWs have the benefit of forced induction, I don't want a monster... I am looking to just get back the 108hp... I am probably making about 90hp at the flywheel here at the house... and at 10,000 I am probable down to about 75hp... I will never blow my engine by giving it 7psi of boost, because that will put me at 19psi total pressure which is just 5psi of boost for you sea level folks... ambient pressure at sea level is 14.7... we are right at 12.2 or 12.3 here...

hotbox, you started with giving us the "newbi" label... that is where the tone started...

Hello,

jdaniels wrote: Hmm, the only person that broke anything was EL Prototypes. I, for one, have not broken anything yet @ 8psi. I've been doing this since July...

Wow, you have been lucky so far. We didnt have such the luck even with proper fueling and timing. Beleive me when I say that were not the only manufacture to pop one of these motors, just the only ones to step up and inform public.


ELP

i am a second lucky booster....
i have 12psi since august. nothing to note (besides the clutch)...

well mgithens , i apologize for callin people bewbi's , and dg i still dont believe you are boostin 12 , and if you were yer motor will be toast. , hmmmmm

Someone keeps saying "seal your heads." I'm not sure what the means.

Can someone clarify?

Also, seeing a 50+ HP increase at 7-8 # is about right. You're seeing 50% which is what you should expect.

You can run 8# in my Cobra and see a 50% increase. (260 to 400ish) That's assuming you use an S Trim blower and don't mess with the intake. One of the things I see are misrepresentation of the term "boost." It's not a measure of the amount of air being forced in but a measure of back pressure.

Example:
If you go to Mc Donalds and buy a big soda it comes with the cannon sized straw. With minimal effort you can suck the soda out of the cup.

Now, if you try to use one of those coffee sized swizzle sticks you get practically no soda even though you're using the same effort.

The measure is to be found in the effort. If you change the cup to a turbo or super charger and your mouth becomes the intake (for some of you homo's it is the intake.. just kidding) you can see what I mean.

So, my point is this:
Don't let "boost" be the be all, end all measure. If you're serious about making this work aim for all around efficiency. If you run a reasonably efficient intercooler (front or side mount at this power level) you'll see less boost but more power... It's all relative.

Hope this makes sense,
Alan

well mgithens , i apologize for callin people bewbi's , and dg i still dont believe you are boostin 12 , and if you were yer motor will be toast. , hmmmmm
well, it is boosting 12psi...(several witnesses) i guess i am lucky ....

you know it prolly is gonna pop one day...but then again it might not....
but, its ok...you are not the first to doubt it...

yeah it's impossible to boost higher psi from only installing a header , psi can only increase with a supercharger if you up the pulley to spin the sc faster or if you changhe the turbine inside. it is mechanically impossible to raise boost , power yes , hell the addition of the header helped power alot but... i'm not hating or flaming i am just stating the facts that i have read , experienced and asked about with many of my previous auto tech instructors. as long as your happy with the setp cool beans , i wish i was happy with my setup.

LOL...sorry to burst your bubble but 25psi wont even get 500hp. My buddies 240sx runs 27psi and gets 462whp and thats 50hp more from the start with a complete build up. I don't see the stock block pushin that high for a few more years and even then I don't believe people will make the parts to fully redo the engine.

With that last comment making it seem like you're actually building a car like that...you totally sound like a buddy of mines who's duin a 2jz unibody xB.

Connecting rods will not stand 7psi? That's absolute bull____...they will hold that daily for years to come with proper tuning and fuel/timing upgrades.

"that and the fact you need new injectors w/ a higher flow, a new fuel pump, and tweaking of the ECU"

Totally agree...If you do a turbo and don't do that then you're a COMPLETE MORON and I would pay you to let me beat your dumbass into the ground.

Who ever wanted the AWD bB...my buddy has one for sale in cali for $7k with NO ENGINE.

This thread has turned to garbage.

sorry to bust YOUR bubble but i never said a turbo at 24 psi would hit 500whp...i said with all the mods i mentioned. new cams alone and an underdrive pulley kit will normally add about 30-50hp not to mention i forgot to throw the venom 400 perfomance module in there, that adds 56% of stock hp. plus the turbo, weight reduction, intake, exaust, blah blah blah you WILL have a 500whp car..now, im not saying your car wont completely fall apart once you hit 150-160mph...but i am saying, it can be done. but on a lighter note, one of my buddies is doing a 240 conversion to a sylvia, hes already got the right hand drive, and tail lights, he just needs the odds and ends now. my brother is also buying a skyline r-34 (imported) motor ($7k alone) and putting it in his TOYOTA TERCEL...that thing is going to scream like a fat kid in a candy shop.

wow a r-34 motor will not fit a tercel , nor why would one do so? funny , must be nice to have enough money to toy around with ideas such as this

wow a r-34 motor will not fit a tercel , nor why would one do so? funny , must be nice to have enough money to toy around with ideas such as this

this is the funniest thread ive ever read

DGhotlava
were you at the Palisades meet a while back. i did see a boosted lava but knowing me i dont remember anybodys name

Paul, you are correct, that was me...

hotbox05, you said you did not belive i was boosting 12 psi.
i just wanted to rebute that. there are people on this forum who have had rides in it, and can confirm the facts...

i know you are not hating or flaming (it takes more than this to get me going.). your advice is pretty solid and you seem to know what you are talking about.(unlike most others...)