that would make the tC perfect for ya what would they be?

The glass roof and the memory seat for me.
It gets up to 100+ degrees in the summer where I live and not very peeps are gunna be drive'n my car. :D The tC prolly come in a couple 100 pounds lighter too. :wink:
The tC still seem like its gunna be a great car though.

i would like the s/c to put down better numbers. i just want to know the exact price.

Have the s/c be standard, and have it be rear wheel drive. Thats all i want, is that too much to ask!

i would put a 400 whp motor in it and only tell the people that bought it how much it has. and tell all the sceptics it has 130bhp.muhahahahahaha

RWD or AWD and about 300-500 lbs lighter.

Changing the name. What the hell is a tC. Ofcourse I like the look, but whats up with these funky names.

Umm, leave the moonroofs but take away the "all glass roof" and make the side profile look les "hyundai". I still like it though.

Oh and about the names, what's wrong with it? That's the way Mercedez, Infinity, Lexus does it, whats wrong with it? I'd rather drive a "tC" then a "autostarus" or some stupid ____/

If i had the choice of changing the name....I would call it... Old Driver killer!

Have the s/c be standard, and have it be rear wheel drive. Thats all i want, is that too much to ask!

it would cost too much.

Changing the name. What the hell is a tC. Ofcourse I like the look, but whats up with these funky names.

Techno Craft as in Toyota Techno Craft??:
http://www.toyota-ttc.co.jp/top.html

How about Avensis Coupe (base on the Avensis, it's a coupe). Majority have never heard of the award winning Avensis.

Have the s/c be standard, and have it be rear wheel drive. Thats all i want, is that too much to ask!

I like the way you think.

Have the s/c be standard, and have it be rear wheel drive. Thats all i want, is that too much to ask!

I like the way you think.
me too :D :D although I'll go along with everyone else about factory weight....but it is pretty easy to make a car lighter....

tC - techinically Cool

or total Coolness

or toyota Coupe.

tc stands for touring coupe

How come not all Scion names stand for something?

tC= Touring Coupe

xB= (x) crossover Box?? (from the Japanese black Box)

xA=??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Tom Cat :wink:

a real name. i've never seen anyone get excited about the alaphabet. im tired of car brands trying to all sound like BMW and merc by having all letter and number names. things like corvette and viper and hemi, those words stir up some emotion. the 8234mxwy doesnt really inspire me.

I'd give it AWD and the sequential gearbox from the MR-S... actually, a better sequential gearbox than that one.

Being realistic...

The only other thing I would ask for are factory HIDs. I would glady pay an extra $500 in addition to whatever price they announce.

They do make a car kinda like the tC in RWD...It's called the G35c. :wink:

Ugh, I hate HiD's. If they were standard that would just mean I'd have to pay even more money to get rid of them.

if it had to be something major, i would like for it to be RWD...for one, it's a hatch, so there isn't going to be a lot of weight in the rear, so why not make it a RWD car for the drifting peeps

if it had to be something major, i would like for it to be RWD...for one, it's a hatch, so there isn't going to be a lot of weight in the rear, so why not make it a RWD car for the drifting peeps

I would want a nice RWD coupe a la the previous MR2 just as much as the next guy, but then you'd be talking about a totally different vehicle. I love RWD like nothing else. Making the tC RWD probably would have pushed the price up by less than $1000, but that's not the point. A $20K RWD coupe with those features would have a waiting list years long. They would have to price it in the hot bracket, which is currently around $29K and contains cars like the RX-8, Z, S2K, and G35c. And that would be a problem.

The concept of Scion doesn't really have provisions for a performance RWD coupe. Jim Farely even stated that the number of Scion customers or potential customers who would want 'real' performance (i.e. RWD, etc.) are very small in number. He said they won't be totally ignored, but they won't exactly be catered to.

Remember, those of us who want RWD are truly a minority of the Scion population. Most teens/younger people who buy a tC are buying for the features, looks, and price. They could care less about driveline layout. And again, that's the concept. Great, affordable cars.

To my knowledge, Toyota does not have a RWD platform that could have been readily adapted to do service in a vehicle like the tC. So even though I don't care much for FWD, I think Toyota did us a service by using the Avensis platform.

Furthermore, I think the tC is going to be Scion's "halo" car for a few years, so don't expect any products that are going to handily top it.

What can we expect? Not sure.

-They're not going to base anything on the IS or MR2 (which are some of their smallest, most affordable RWD platforms).
-Don't see anything truck-based in their future.
-Maybe a wagon/5dr-hatch like the Caldina? Hmmm, they'd really have to strip it down to make it affordable here. No AWD or turbo.
-Sedan? What could they possibly use? Corolla would be no good (unless it's the sport hatch they sell overseas), maybe the Avensis?
-Probably something that's already in use in Japan or Europe, just like all 3 current Scion models.

Should be interesting to see what they come up with, but unless it's RWD, I don't think it will top the tC...

Being realistic...

The only other thing I would ask for are factory HIDs. I would glady pay an extra $500 in addition to whatever price they announce.
ditto

...and steering wheel audio controls :)

im going with unrealii on this one... audio steering wheel controls would rock and an power driver's seat!! (i can still hope) that and probably change the design of the backtail lights... for some reason it reminds me way too much of the saturn ion

RWD.... RWD RWD RWD... If the RX-8 was the tC and the 8 had a hatch plus about 40 lbs torque... I'd be driving a zoom zoom :D I don't care about the weight since I plan on putting about 400 lbs more into it with audio (LOTS and LOTS of audio)

But with the all glass roof... So we have to buy more rain-x or windex now?

We may get steering wheel mounder audio controls as an option. Remember the images we are seeing now of the car are from a hand built pre-production model. They don't even have the cruise control on the wheel that comes standard with the car.

We may get steering wheel mounder audio controls as an option. Remember the images we are seeing now of the car are from a hand built pre-production model. They don't even have the cruise control on the wheel that comes standard with the car.

We may get steering wheel mounder audio controls as an option. Remember the images we are seeing now of the car are from a hand built pre-production model. They don't even have the cruise control on the wheel that comes standard with the car.

I usually drive at the spokes, any buttons put there would hinder my drive a lot... It's not conventional but you get a much better grip driving with the spoke of the wheel vs the 10 and 2 position... I really can't stand a bulky wheel since it obstructs your view of the dash meters... You also have to know that maybe half if not more people would swap out the stock deck anyways which leaves someone with a steering wheel full of buttons and no function... That is just money wasted for the average Joe who boght the car for other reasons...

Number 1 thing on my mind is FOG LIGHTS. I guess they will be a deal installed option, but I would love it if they were standart.
A standart Sub, just an 8 inch unit for a nice low end is all i ask.
Stability control from the Xb
Shiftable automatic
low insurance rates :D
does this think have side and/or curtain airbags? If no, that I would love both
that it for now :P

I usually drive at the spokes, any buttons put there would hinder my drive a lot... It's not conventional but you get a much better grip driving with the spoke of the wheel vs the 10 and 2 position... I really can't stand a bulky wheel since it obstructs your view of the dash meters... You also have to know that maybe half if not more people would swap out the stock deck anyways which leaves someone with a steering wheel full of buttons and no function...
My dad's 01 maxima has the buttons in a great spot. Since its a 4 spoke wheel, i guess it wont work on scion's so they may have to do something similar to how mazda does it with the 3.

FYI, you can buy a PAC SWI-X which will let you use factory steering wheel audio controls on an aftermarket radio. Also, Pioneer has a steering wheel attachment which can also control the radio, but it looks awkward and will probably get in the way of turning the wheel.

i want DVD navigation!

Things like 8" sub being standard is just bad for everyone else who is like me... I would most definately hate paying more for something that'll be ripped out...

Things like 8" woofers will NEVER be standard because if you want it, you might as well check the little box that says 8" woofer as an option :D

As for fog lights, I do with they have it, but heck, I rather have HID as an option... (foglightsa re so useless)

Leather would be fantastic!

Well, if I ask for something I can't have, then...

Lighter & RWD.


If they put the Sequential Manual Transmission of the MR-S in the tC, then..., well, I hope they don't because I might have to get it. :D

Actually, I hope they don't put the SMT in it because that would mean that they aren't aspiring to put it in another car -- I mean, if the SMT doesn't re-appear, then I can look forward to some new model in the future with the SMT -- like it'll be on something sportier and more expensive car I bet.

Again, if they put the SMT in there -- it's immediately on my list. :shock:

well actually its impossible to have. Making it rwd over fwd will make it havier, and the only way to counter it is to use aluminum suspension (expansive), or make the car/wheelbase shorter, but would end up with a useless rear seat, and still expansive, and it wouls start to compete with is300, which toyota does not want.

ohh and yes I know that fog lights on sport cars are useless, but they do look good, and are like only $50 to add, as apposed to HID, if i had to choose I would say fogs over HID and save me like $500.

HID is way more functional tho, I mean seriously they might literally save you from running into a deer on a rainny day... $500 is very cheap I was expecting $800 - $1000

As for the SMT, why would one want to mess with something like that? The SMT on the MR-S got bad reviews didn't it? It was more like a +/- shifter instead of a real SMT where you have 7 levels to go up and down for a 5 speed...

SMT was designed for rally / drag racers to decrease the time it took to get into another gear, but if I'm not tripping, most drag (pro) racers end up with different levers for different gears and they just pull on them to change gears... (This is what they use in jet turbine powered rocket cars) And most rally cars are automatic gear switching now almost, it's all electronically controlled and the manual shifting is only there incase of failure....

SMT has been known to cause too many miss gearing... You lose track of what gear you're in and you end up skipping gears... Seriously, if they had that, I would be so turned off... As you would never get the fat smile on your face while performing the perfect 4 -> 2 down shift :(

Heh, I'm glad no one understands the SMT.

There are positives and negatives to it.

Positives:
It is manual.
It does rev-matching for you.
Because of above, you can "heel/toe" every turn all day, every day
Oh yeah, and it's like playing a videogame
One more - If stopping at a light quickly and you downshift, it will automatically rev twice (rev-matching) - if you are next to say a Porsche 911, get ready for some fun... guaranteed - because he thought you just revved him
One last last one - offramp exits become really fun


Negatives:
A standard manual can shift faster than an SMT
It looks like an automatic, and people don't understand it -- this could be a positive


The Toyota SMT on the MR2 Spyder is exactly opposite of what you'd need (or want) in a drag racing car. This SMT is more for cornering fast - you know, like autocross. The only way to match it with a standard manual is to learn "heel/toe" downshifting technique. (Purists do heel/toe anyway -- but... SMT = fun.)

4 doors! the gap between wheels looks odd..but i guess that makes up for the leg room in the back

Well, if I made one mistake, it would be that you miss gears with SMT, but in reality, it's rather impossible to miss a gear... (but still possible to forget which one you're in if you're not careful)

As for being slower than regular manual... You obviously didn't read up on why SMTs are put into nearly all race cars... (You win races by saving time)

As for the rev matching, I don't think that is standard in SMT, but rather an electronic system added to the SMT as a feature... SMT does stand for Sequential Manual Transmission which has nothing to do with rev matching... It just means a bunch of gears lined up in order...

The ONLY advantage to a H pattern shift is that it lets you skip a gear and THIS is why heel toe is mainly used... If you brake hard enough, you can downshift without gasing with the car still being stable... But when you're doing 2 or 3 gears, it becomes a rather large difference in revs to keep the tires rolling steadily...

The only difference in the mechanics of SMT is the way it selects gears, where the H pattern has teeth and slots to lock it's transmission, the SMT has a rotation drum which locks in it's gears.. The drum has grooves in it which the fork rides in...

A SMT is really more worthy on a race car simply because you really can forget what gear you're going in a road car if you didn't have the H to feel for... Since you get a lot of stop and go in a road car vs an ever rolling race car, your gear shifting can go form 4th to N once you see a red light... And crusing around in 4th you do forget sometimes if it's 3rd in a SMT...

To each their own though, you can never rip a H pattern shifter away from me since I learned how to drive a stick... Even though I do miss gears and grind a bit, theres just no feeling of a 4 - 2 done prefectly to make a turn really really smooth...

I guess no one makes a SMT with a 3rd pedal so I guess it does have to rev match =P

That right there would drive me nuts!! That'll bring out too much left foot brakers!!

Uh, I'm only talking about the Toyota SMT. I know no other - sorry.

Anything I mentioned regarding the SMT is the one on the Toyota MR2 Spyder. It may be a unique setup -- in fact I know it's pretty unique.

You're right, sometimes you don't know what gear you're in. It doesn't bother me pretty much. If you lose track and driving really slow like in a parking lot - it doesn't really matter if you're in 2nd or 3rd gear. If too high, then just downshift.

If driving faster and you want to be always at the ready, you will have to downshift - that would be a good thing. You have to pay attention to the engine and the revs. It is a manual, so you can't just hit the gas and expect it to be at the optimum gear.

Like I said though -- I have no other SMT experience except the Toyota SMT. As far as I know, there is only one car with it... And I personally would take a good look at whatever new car Toyota puts it in.

I am pre-sold :D you might say. It doesn't bother me what others' opinion is on it -- like I said, many people prefer the feel of the regular manual (I think I described them as purists :) ).

I guess no one makes a SMT with a 3rd pedal so I guess it does have to rev match =P

That right there would drive me nuts!! That'll bring out too much left foot brakers!!


Dude, don't worry -- there is no SMT in the tC. :D


...I think I'm gonna take pics of my xA soon - that'll be cool.