Do you think you could get a Ford Focus engine into a scion xA? The cars are relatively equall in size, but I don't know. Do any of you?

the focus has about 150 hp which would be a great boost on a scion

yeah uhh no. You can get more than that from your xA. Check out last months import tuner on the xA with all that power. Better to keep the old motor than put in a ford motor. :)

yah i saw that, but would it just be easier to get a stock engine instead of making your engine a 1.7 liter, and then adding on so many things to get there?

No, it would be easier to purchase a car that was faster / more powerful in the first place.

I'm definetely not trying to pee in your Cheerios, but it's been my experience that it's much easier to mod the original engine, or atleast stick w/ the same auto manufacturer as far as an engine swap goes.

I would not recommend replacing a well built / reliable Toyota powerplant with a Ford engine. It may have more initial horse power, but the Toyota will be running when the Ford 4 banger is nothing but a huge paper weight.

Put a twin-turbo Toyota V8 in a Scion & convert it to rear-wheel or all-wheel drive. Now, that's a plan worth discussing.........

i'm thinking monster truck

i was curious about this too..... except i was thinkin celica motor in the xa/xb. can it be done. if i were to consider that move it would obviously be further down the line if i purchase an xA at all. would be nice to have the gts motor in there ya know? if anything you'd probably end up losing the ac :( blah

2zz motor swap has been done already, in the vitz...pretty much identical to xa/ist
done by Yashio factory japan, and damn , its fast!!!! check out best motoring international video...forgot which volume...ill post it up as soon as i remember..
but lots of mods to the motor mounts and engine bay.
jp

yeah i wanna see the 2zz. but someones gotta be smoking alot of crak to be puttin a frickin pos ford motor in a toyota.

they don't make drugs strong enough. . . foci motors are crap, and their base models are not any faster than the xA. Trust me, I know. My old roommate had one, and he could not beat me. An SVT Focus, sure, but not a regular Focus. If you wanted an SVT motor, there are PLENTY of better options. You might as well get a 1.3 Mazda Renesis engine (rotary). . . or a 2ZZ, or 4AG, or SR20, why in the world would you chose a FOCUS motor?????

cuz crack smoking runs rampant , well that and he probably saw that they use the 2.2 zetechs in circle track racing and thot "yes!!!!"

4EFTE anyone?

4EFTE anyone?
That's what showpaojoe has in his xB right now...

One of our members up here in Nor-Cal is in the process of doing the 2zz swap right now .I can't say who, he said he would send the ninja's after me if I did! :bow:

4EFTE anyone?
That's what showpaojoe has in his xB right now...

where can i get more info?

4EFTE anyone?
That's what showpaojoe has in his xB right now...

That's funny, last I heard it was a 3SGTE???

maybe it's a 2JZGTE lol

never got the 3sgte...couldn't afford it

and if you could swap a focus engine...then you should be able to swap the chevy 350 small block because they have a kit for that now and they sell a twin turbo kit for the small blocks as well so your looking at a 600hp monstor....no joke

so you have no swap at all then?

I'm currently helping 2 others do their 2zz swaps because they have shown me they are serious. I stopped helping others a long time ago on this forum because nobody is serious anymore except for a few people and they know I respect them and will always share my knowledge.

I've got 3 scions, xB, xA, and a totaled xB and one of them is running a stock 4efte at 16psi right now. It's a 1.3L and needed 2 days of modification to bolt on. Why do people think an engine swap is hard?

Unless you have 6-7k...then 3sgte is outta the picture. I ruined a perfectly good frame and firewall doing it cuz my budget was 3k.

I have Modacar hitting me up for my 2zz engine mounts...I don't need to prove anything to anyone anymore.

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when I said a ford focus engine, it was an example that came to my mind when I was writing, just because they're relatively equal in size... but anyway, where could someone find out more about a 2zz???

and I was talkn about a Focus SVT motor, not a regular one

No, it would be easier to purchase a car that was faster / more powerful in the first place.

I'm definetely not trying to pee in your Cheerios, but it's been my experience that it's much easier to mod the original engine, or atleast stick w/ the same auto manufacturer as far as an engine swap goes.

I would not recommend replacing a well built / reliable Toyota powerplant with a Ford engine. It may have more initial horse power, but the Toyota will be running when the Ford 4 banger is nothing but a huge paper weight.

Put a twin-turbo Toyota V8 in a Scion & convert it to rear-wheel or all-wheel drive. Now, that's a plan worth discussing.........

well put ....

i really like the car's look, but the power just isn't there, that's why I'm askiing

I don't really want to say it was a stupid idea, but it was, the 2zz is the way to go

ep82 4ef-te is a good choice too...havent thought of that...some have had success putting these into tercels and paseos....so again, pretty do-able...3sgte on the other hand....whole lotta work...think about it.....this monster can and will shred the stock xa/xb gearbox in a second...not to mention render first and second gear useless...you would have to retro a celica trans to work within the confines of an xa/xb....Major work.....and if you have high aspirations...dare i say 4trac lay out?? Guess if you bought your car right out and paid cash, you wouldnt worry about your warranty..but some of us still rely on it...im waiting for the warranty to be done.....then ill go nuts..lol..
my .02
jp..

anyone thot about a 1zz with trd supercharger?nice torquey lil 160-180whp car.

a nice swap would be if you could get a 4agze the trans is almot bullet proof and the base motor is one of toyotas best and can be found relitivly cheap

i'd much rather stick with some sort of motor that will bolt to the stock tranny/1zz tranny

I've got 3 scions, xB, xA, and a totaled xB and one of them is running a stock 4efte at 16psi right now. It's a 1.3L and needed 2 days of modification to bolt on. Why do people think an engine swap is hard?


lol is the 4efte in the wrecked xb? ;) j/k..

any numbers on the 1.3? dyno? i've always liked that engine .. :):)

i think we figured that out already... can anybody tell me ABOUT a 2zz

sorry didnt know there was a second page

lol , joes motor is in need of some tweaking , such is the story with any very old motor.

The intent was to drive it upto norcal so I could show it to stylis, evildave, etc... but it's in bad shape. AC blew, oil from 3 different spots, radiator fluid, turbo has bad shaft play (problems left and right)...but initially the swap cost under $1500 for an engine capable of 200hp relatively stock.

Truly the best swap for the car is a 5efte setup. 5efe engine then 4efte turbo kit and do internals and you're in the 350hp mark. The engine is light, 1.5L, and can take abuse like crazy.

2ZZ is easy as well but the engine itself is no where near worth the cost...runs you about $2600+.

thats better than paying near 3k for a turbo or supercharger

EXACTLY...just cuz it isn't a "showcar" engine and you go down to 1.3L doesn't mean your wasting money. Lets see the stock internals on a 1nz be able to hold 18psi.

That people is money well thought out.

sorry for my ignorance in this, but what car is the 2zz out of, or any of the possible engines for swaps. Any help is appreciated.

2zz is celica gts / corolla xrs , the 1zz is in corolla's and celica gt 's

dont forget matrix xrs..

What all is needed to put the 4/5efte in the xB?

engine/tranny/ecu/wiring/and motor mounts.. ??

yep , and a great welder , it might be easier to use an e-manage type situation

I meant what do you need in terms of actually mounting the engine/trans in the xB. Do the mounts come close? Do you need to weld mounts from the car the engine came out of into the xB? Do you need to make mounts?

talk to joe , if he likes you he will share some knowledge

lol you tool

i'm a tool? lol if i knew more about the 4efte swap i'd tell ya , allthough joe knows alot he doesnt like to share unless he likes ya , lol. just be serious and he'll help ya out a bit.

thanks

1zz vs 2zz:
http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20Information/2ZZ-GE_tech_notes.htm

Short summary: 2zz not as good, though maybe they fixed it by now.

Anyone here have either engine installed?

the 2zz is good for n/a , the 1zz has more potential because of the extra torque and the lower compression ratio.

only problem with the 1zz is the lack of aftermarket support. you can custom a turbo to it, but thats about it. i looked into building it up but its not worth it. but if u just want a little more power, then just drop it in and drive it, it'll be cheaper than a turbo kit. and the 2zz, not worth it at all in my opinion, way over priced and power is not that great even after turbo. with a kit and full exhaust you will be looking at around 250whp, a lot, but not for the price ur gonna have to pay.

BITER lol...stop sharin fool...let em waste their money

13B for me then!

fuk ya...that thing is tiny as hell...i want an 89 rex wid a cosmo setup

cosmo setup eh? rotoraies are cool but they have a helluva time passin smog and they frickin ingest oil like no other. they gulp that ____ , lol , rotory is a popular swap in 510's.
if you can get some sort of fwd tranny to fit one do it , it'd be too frickin cool.

cosmo setup eh? rotoraies are cool but they have a helluva time passin smog and they frickin ingest oil like no other. they gulp that ____ , lol , rotory is a popular swap in 510's.
if you can get some sort of fwd tranny to fit one do it , it'd be too frickin cool.

KEP makes a kit to mate a Rx7 motor to a VW tranny... seems like a plausable option. I think that I will wait, and save enough money for the motor I really want in my xB. a V8. I'm not talking about a ford 302 or a chevy 350... I'm talking about the one that's made by "Radical Sports Cars" in Peterborough UK. It's basically 2 hayabusa engines. It displaces 2.6 litres and produces 383hp and 207 lb/ft. it'll also fit in a 24"x 24" x 18" space... VERY compact. Quaife is producing FWD AND RWD trannys for this motor. who wants to hear a v8 in a xB at 10000 rpms???

I often think about a Pro Street xB. Build a tube frame and some tubs, loose the back seat. A stock 5.0 would be plenty, can we say 12 sec. 1/4mile runs!!!