i understand that honda will bring the jazz(in some countries called the fit) into the usa next year(2006). it is supposed to compete with the scion. does anyone know how these compare? i was thinking of getting an xb, but would like to know more about the jazz. i heard it was the best seller in japan for several years. any info would be appreciated.

looks nice but like every other honda, http://www.honda.co.uk/front.html

I'm a sucker for the minivan meets wagon body style, and that thing's got a pretty fresh front end.

:( no fair, they have the Civic Type R, 200hp and 140lbs or torque for 0-60 fun of 6.6seconds.

The Jazz will compete mroe directly wiht the xA.

Reminds me of a Toyota Matrix.

Reminds me of a Toyota Matrix.

damn u taking the words right out of my fingers.

if you look at the pricing its all in pounds. . english money. and considering the british pound is 2 to 1 to the american dollar right now, the pricing looks to be very high. 16k for the base model and up near 25k for the higher end model. once again no one can come close to toyotas pricing. the element is like 28k loaded the same as my 16k xb. and ford or GMs new piece of crap is supposed to be like a 23k base price O_O do they think were all rich? :yawn: ive put 7k in mods into my xB, (soundsystem, DVD player, xbox/ps2, wheels, interior neon, carbon fiber hood, JDM grill, intake/exaust, lowered, badges, etc. etc. etc.) and im JUST breaking the 23k mark. whats the point of buying a car and you have 0 money left to mod. and thats where toyota wins. :P

:rofl: :rofl: :loser: :rofl: :rofl: :blah: :yawn: :no: :nope: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :loser: :loser: ............honda........... :loser: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :loser: :rofl: :rofl: :blah: :yawn: :no: :nope: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :loser: :loser: ............honda........... :loser: :rofl:

:eyes: dont hold back tell us how you really feel...



it looks like the bastard offspring of an SI and a CRV... :no: bad honda bad :no:

~wC

That Honda is fugly

if you look at the pricing its all in pounds. . english money. and considering the british pound is 2 to 1 to the american dollar right now, the pricing looks to be very high. 16k for the base model and up near 25k for the higher end model. once again no one can come close to toyotas pricing. the element is like 28k loaded the same as my 16k xb. and ford or GMs new piece of crap is supposed to be like a 23k base price O_O do they think were all rich? :yawn: ive put 7k in mods into my xB, (soundsystem, DVD player, xbox/ps2, wheels, interior neon, carbon fiber hood, JDM grill, intake/exaust, lowered, badges, etc. etc. etc.) and im JUST breaking the 23k mark. whats the point of buying a car and you have 0 money left to mod. and thats where toyota wins. :P

AS you may know, not everyone is a poor college student, or poor in general. There are many things that the Element offers over the xB - each vehicle has their own strengths and weaknesses.

once again another ugly honda

i understand that honda will bring the jazz(in some countries called the fit) into the usa next year(2006). it is supposed to compete with the scion. does anyone know how these compare? i was thinking of getting an xb, but would like to know more about the jazz. i heard it was the best seller in japan for several years. any info would be appreciated.

not saying the element is a bad car :) thats what i was looking at before i came across the xB. but as he was saying, honda, as with many other companies are starting to make more boxy/small econo cars to compete with toyota. or just importing designs that have been in japan for years and are starting to do really well on the american market now. yes they all have pros and cons, but what i was stating was that no one can seem to come close in terms of pricing. it all depends on what your looking for :silly:

Does it have a remote control? and which does it run on, D or C cell? But in all honesty, aren't we doing exactly what we hate people doing to us? judging our cars without considering? It is a "cool" car, for those few special "cool" people out there

I don't care, Mugen has a Honda Fit called the Fit Dynamite with a Integra Type-R Motor (K20A 260 HP), so Scions beat already, and the car aint out yet! :yawn:

I was thinking a Chevy Avieo clone..... why would anyone buy an avieo... is a damn daewooo.... I won't buy a daewoo TV... but thats another tangent I won't get off on.

My friend has an avieo, bought the exact same day as my xB, and it is already breaking down! hahahahah dang daewoo hahahahahahah

I think that tuning these things (Scion or Honda) is really stupid. . . it costs far too much money to make it even remotely quick. There are many other options that yield higher performance, for less money, and without pushing the engine to extremities. If the goal is to compete in some sort of class restriction, then go for it, but all these cars are good for is show. Autocross, drag, track, there are far better cars in every class of autosports than econo cars, laborously reworked to perform. Even a Celica/RSX type class makes more sense than a tuned Civic/Fit/Jazz/xB/xA. Sure, you can make them fun. . . but making an econo car fast is an oxymoron, IMO (and it really is just an opinion). It's not worth it to buy a cheap car, and spend lots of money to make it fast, when you could buy a fast car off the bat, for less money out the door.
I think Scion got the formula just right. . . it's about personalization, style, and show, not speed. I mean, the "rice" craze, as much as we all hate rice, is exactly that. Makin the cars an expression of ourselves (and many people express how ugly they are (outside and in) with awful modding).
If I really wanted to make an econocar quick, then Honda would definitely be the winner. But if I wanted an econocar, I'd go Toyota. If I wanted an econocar with some expression and individualism, I'd go Scion.

honda is bringing it here just as scion discontinues the xB....
thats just funny...

honda jazz in japan, and honda fit in the us right?? we actually had 5zigen's jazz in our showroom about a week ago. ill try to post pics up if i can find em.

They use both names internationally

The Spoon fit in GT4 (and in real life) is rockin.... You gotta love than bug look.

The Jazz will compete mroe directly wiht the xA.

I totally agree, more of an Xa competitor....but would you really call that competition? :rofl:

Tammie

I love how everyone knocks Honda stuff without discretion. None of you have even seen or driven one of these things. How do you know it isn't a lot better than the xA? I'd be willing to be it has a real independent rear suspension instead of stupid torsion beams, for one.

I drove one when I was in Thailand. . . and both cars are retardedly slow, and in terms of mods, it just takes too much money when there are plenty of other, better options. These cars are cheap and fun, and that's what they are for. . . it's that sig I see often, "racing a Honda (or any severely underpowered car (stock) is like the special olympics; even if you win, you're still retarded). Strap a rocket booster onto a 1 legged man, and he'll be fast. Same with econo cars. It's not Honda people have a problem with, it's the "honda-rice" mentality. Secondly, a lot people knock Honda because of other reasons, ie styling, reliability, price, theft rates, etc. . . and a lot of that is subjective.

I hear you and I agree. Though the "honda-rice" mentality doesn't seem to be limited to Honda's judging by some of the rides I've seen posted here. Scions seem to attract ricers at least as much as Civics.

point taken about the ricers.....BUT scions M-O is mods.....why would the delerships carry all those mods for? Honda on the other hand does not have those things in the delership. Now trying to get an extra 100hp on a 108hp engine is a special ed move. Whatever i get done to the box wont be for performence enhancements. Just to make my box stand out a little.

No competition to XB here........

honda jazz in japan, and honda fit in the us right?? we actually had 5zigen's jazz in our showroom about a week ago. ill try to post pics up if i can find em.

No, as the pics that I snapped in the Tokyo Auto Show illustrate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Maicca/11e91047.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Maicca/5ffdaca9.jpg

if anything thats comp to the xa or matrix imo

that just loooks like a civic Si 4-door. But i like it though!

i drove the jazz, its pretty coo. but the one i drove was right hand drive, and it was the 5zigen jazz. its as roomy as the bB, and pretty much as fun to drive as the bB

I want a orange one whith lots of chrome........UhOh, I am coveting a HONDA!!

I like it but i would have to forget everything i know to buy a honda, except a s2k, they are sick!

Honda's are great. Don't be a dumbass.

Brand loyalty is for idiots. Blindly knocking Honda because of what riceboys do to them is the height of stupidity--- especially when Scionlife is chock full of ricers with silly appearance mods.

Right here:

http://www.poweraxel.com/autosalon/as2004/mugen/image/fit_dynamite.jpg

I'd rock it!

The bottom line is I'm just happy more people are creating vehicles in the US in the niche. Anything to move us away from everyone coveting SUVs.

I like the Fit, but I really wish they were bringing us the FRV. Looks like a little Mercedes or BMW and has one of the most practical setaing designs I've ever seen.

http://www.honda.co.uk/newcars/images/gallery/main_10426_10729_08.jpg

http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200407/ni_go_ki_1089203075_p_honda_frv_5.jpg

The middle seats both moves backwards and forwards creating extra seating or space. .

I'm not blindly knocking a brand, I'm making a generalization. Some prior comments were made about how a Scion will never be as fast as a Honda, and Honda's aren't fast. It takes a LOT of money to come close to matching very cheap domestics. I was making a point that this market is more about show then go, and if that is the case, then the availability of turbo's and superchargers is a moot point. I'm talking about business here; sales. The majority of honda's sold are never modified. The majority of modified Honda's never get better than a 14 second 1/4 mile (which is slow, considering you can get sub 13 second runs in a used Camaro, stock).

In the Jazz/Ist/BB/Civic/Echo/Corolla market. . . performance is really on the back burner. If you're talking about an Intergra/RSX/Celica or even EVO/Sti market, then performance matters.

Anyone with a business brain would know that a Jazz having more mod potential will increase sales just as much as a giant penis on the hood. Rice racing is a VERY niche market, limited to people who can afford it, and still want a cheap car to throw tons of money into. This market is all about individualism and uniqueness (taking the cars out of the typical economy-car-cookie-cutter mold). This is Scions business direction and target market. This is hardly a blind characterization of a brand/nor brand loyalty. It's a business analysis.