View Full Version : need help with emanage and upgrading injectors


xa007xa
07-23-2009, 11:32 AM
I'm upgrading to 440cc injectors from 310cc. all of my fuel maps are tuned for the 310's. does anyone know of a mathematical formula to adjust the fuel maps to account for the bigger injectors and maintain the afr's that were achieved when tuned with the 310's? for example: if I'm adding 20% fuel with the 310's, can I multiply that 20% by a value that corresponds with the bigger injector in order to achieve a flow rate close to the one that's achieved by te 310's?

Cinderblock
07-23-2009, 05:39 PM
to much math for me. 310's wont handle 10-12 psi?

xa007xa
07-23-2009, 05:41 PM
barely handles 10. it's not the injectors. it's the stock ecu that's the problem.

Cinderblock
07-23-2009, 05:53 PM
cuz i would think the injectors should feed that much boost. but our ecu is a pain in the ___. is it throwing the tune or what? if so, get an ecu from a 02 or up echo depending on your car year, it wont learn. i need one bad. but anyone, youd probabaly have to figure out the flow rate for both injectors at 100% then find what that rate would be at whatever your flowing right now. then like you said, tune the emange to run the same % rate, but youll prob have to run slightly higher if your 310's arent feeding enough.

blown_xa
07-31-2009, 02:38 AM
I'm upgrading to 440cc injectors from 310cc. all of my fuel maps are tuned for the 310's. does anyone know of a mathematical formula to adjust the fuel maps to account for the bigger injectors and maintain the afr's that were achieved when tuned with the 310's? for example: if I'm adding 20% fuel with the 310's, can I multiply that 20% by a value that corresponds with the bigger injector in order to achieve a flow rate close to the one that's achieved by te 310's?
I believe you have the Ultimate now correct? if so, there is a way to scale the map by just typing in injector size, its that easy. But you still need to get it re-tuned because that is just a rough starting point. There shouldnt be a problem driving the car around keeping it outta boost. If I were you I would go right to 550cc injectors. You have a built motor and with that turbo you will have to run a lot of boost to get the numbers you want. Unless you have a return fuel system with a 1:1 FPR then id go with 550's. We sell drop in 550's for the tC and im going to run those as well when i drop in my motor this month. Then im slapping a t3/4 47 trim turbo on it. We will be making a manifold for that turbo to go on my car, if you are interested and enough people gain interest we may produce it.

xa007xa
07-31-2009, 09:42 AM
ok....got the 440cc injectors. Ultimate cannot scale back the bigger injectors at idle under closed loop stock ecu control. im running hella rich at idle. this is bull since i called greddy before ordering the injectors to make sure that i got the biggest size that ultimate could handle. greddy said on numerous occasions that ultimate is capable of handling injectors 150% OVER stock... meaning that to be 460cc max on the xA. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! Additionally, the greddy turbo wastegate cracks at about 6-7psi and I maxed out at 12.5 psi with the AEM boost controller.... I could live with 12.5 for the time being but I can't live with the car not idling correctly. too damn frustrating....should just get an EVO.

blown_xa
08-01-2009, 07:17 PM
that's weird man, we are running the ultimate on our tC with 900cc injectors and got it to idle fine, although it is a different vehicle all together, it well exceeds that 150% mark.

Also, you boost sylinoid may not be as efficient as when it was new, mine did the same back when i was injection water-meth before the turbo. The water meth corroded the noid and at 90% duty cycle I was hitting only 9psi. Replaced it and now at only 24% duty cycle im there.

Where do you live? consider bringing it here to tune, many have made long road trips to do just that