I'm sorry I took so long to get back to you guys, but It was less than the 3 months that I waited for the damn thing :tap: . It took me 30 minutes to put it on my Xb. All I can say is :clap: Sweet. The car revs 75-100% faster than it did with the stock pulley. First and second gear are over before you know it. The car pulls much harder than it did before. My only problem is now my clutch is slipping like a mofo when I get on it. I guess I'm gonna have to do that clutch and flywheel sooner than I thought. All and all I give it a big thumbs up for anyone who is looking for alittle more acceleration and better throttle response out of their Xb or Xa. I'll put pics of it installed into my links later on today or tomorrow.

I'm sorry I took so long to get back to you guys, but It was less than the 3 months that I waited for the damn thing :tap: . It took me 30 minutes to put it on my Xb. All I can say is :clap: Sweet. The car revs 75-100% faster than it did with the stock pulley. First and second gear are over before you know it. The car pulls much harder than it did before. My only problem is now my clutch is slipping like a mofo when I get on it. I guess I'm gonna have to do that clutch and flywheel sooner than I thought. All and all I give it a big thumbs up for anyone who is looking for alittle more acceleration and better throttle response out of their Xb or Xa. I'll put pics of it installed into my links later on today or tomorrow.

sweet! how easy is it to install, any install instructions to help me along? im not too experienced, i like instructions

whats the easiest way to put it on and such

Getting to it is the hardest part because you have to remove the plastic under the car, then the 2 belts. After that it's just one bolt. Then do everything in reverse. I think I have a few pictures in stages but I'll have to check my camera.

Getting to it is the hardest part because you have to remove the plastic under the car, then the 2 belts. After that it's just one bolt. Then do everything in reverse. I think I have a few pictures in stages but I'll have to check my camera.

so im gonna need to jack it up, remove tire, remove plastic, kinda like air intake install but other side

Getting to it is the hardest part because you have to remove the plastic under the car, then the 2 belts. After that it's just one bolt. Then do everything in reverse. I think I have a few pictures in stages but I'll have to check my camera.

so im gonna need to jack it up, remove tire, remove plastic, kinda like air intake install but other side
Yeah because you can't do it from the top.

Getting to it is the hardest part because you have to remove the plastic under the car, then the 2 belts. After that it's just one bolt. Then do everything in reverse. I think I have a few pictures in stages but I'll have to check my camera.

so im gonna need to jack it up, remove tire, remove plastic, kinda like air intake install but other side
Yeah because you can't do it from the top.

ok, any specials tools needed? time to go buy a floorjack or wait til tomorow and use my dads

Getting to it is the hardest part because you have to remove the plastic under the car, then the 2 belts. After that it's just one bolt. Then do everything in reverse. I think I have a few pictures in stages but I'll have to check my camera.

so im gonna need to jack it up, remove tire, remove plastic, kinda like air intake install but other side
Yeah because you can't do it from the top.

ok, any specials tools needed? time to go buy a floorjack or wait til tomorow and use my dads
No special tools needed.

No special tools needed.

yay! hopefully i can get this on soon then.

Sweet 8)

thanks Munch. If only I could afford a flywheel, i'd buy this to put all three on at the same time.

THANKS MUNCH! :bow:

I guess its time to get one then. I appreciate the effort and still wanting to go w/ the pulley after the whole fiasco.

Good thing I have access to a lift!

THANKS MUNCH! :bow:

I guess its time to get one then. I appreciate the effort and still wanting to go w/ the pulley after the whole fiasco.

Good thing I have access to a lift!
All of you are welcome. Yeah it was a PITA waiting but I'm happy with the end result.I hope this snow goes away soon so I can drive it. Second gear is so much better when accelerating from slowing down for a light that just turned green. I only got to drive it for about 5 minutes then I went back home to NY. I'll get to drive it more this weekend when I go back to PA 8)

So, with just the pulley, your clutch slips? :ponder:

So, with just the pulley, your clutch slips? :ponder:
Nope my clutch has been slipping under heavy load since I did my intake and exhaust. It's far worse now :doh:

Do you think this part would compliment my automatic? I'm thinking about getting the lightened pulley and flywheel. Does anyone think that would be a bad idea with an automatic tranny? Could I do damage to it? Would I see a performace increase? Opinions/ideas anyone?

Do you think this part would compliment my automatic? I'm thinking about getting the lightened pulley and flywheel. Does anyone think that would be a bad idea with an automatic tranny? Could I do damage to it? Would I see a performace increase? Opinions/ideas anyone?

1st of all "automatic" doesn't have flywheel. We have torque converters! As for the pulleys on the auto tranny, I don't see why not? its just a pulley the main pulley that pulls your accessories such as Power steering, alternator, etc... got nothing to do with the drive train. I've had these on my auto Eclipse/CL before. Best Bang for the buck for NA cars I would say!! GO FOR IT!! You won't regret it! I'm ordering mine!!

Heh, I must have been confused about that flywheel thing. I've worked on mostly American rw cars until this car; I didn't know it was so different. Here is the flywheel that I'm thinking of:

http://www.carcarecouncil.org/Auto_Transmission/flywheel_flexplate.shtml

Description: The flywheel for most automatic transmissions/transaxles is simply a stamped-steel disc with a ring gear located at the outer edge for engagement with the starter's pinion gear. With this type of flywheel, the torque converter has no ring gear. Some cars use a more modest flywheel known as a flexplate, which is all that's needed because the torque converter itself has a ring gear located on its outer edge.

Purpose: The flywheel, or flexplate, mounts to the engine's crankshaft and also serves as a mounting location for the torque converter. Consequently, the flywheel or flexplate transmits engine torque to the torque converter housing. The flywheel's ring gear also serves as an engagement point for the pinion of the starter motor when cranking the engine. Because of the lightweight design of the flywheel or flexplate, it does not help to smooth out power pulses from the engine like the flywheel does on a car with a manual transmission. On cars with automatic transmissions, the torque converter provides this function.

:bow: sweet where did u order from.....????...... and what the heck was all the hype about that it didnt fit ect. about then...??? did they rvise it.... and where did u get it.... lol

:bow: sweet where did u order from.....????...... and what the heck was all the hype about that it didnt fit ect. about then...??? did they rvise it.... and where did u get it.... lol
Do a search. I got one of the first pulleys and it didn't fit. I started the thread about it. They made it wrong and had to revamp the pulley. I waited 3 months and I finally got the new version and it fits. It's been a long time but now the problem is fixed.

Heh, I must have been confused about that flywheel thing. I've worked on mostly American rw cars until this car; I didn't know it was so different. Here is the flywheel that I'm thinking of:

http://www.carcarecouncil.org/Auto_Transmission/flywheel_flexplate.shtml

Description: The flywheel for most automatic transmissions/transaxles is simply a stamped-steel disc with a ring gear located at the outer edge for engagement with the starter's pinion gear. With this type of flywheel, the torque converter has no ring gear. Some cars use a more modest flywheel known as a flexplate, which is all that's needed because the torque converter itself has a ring gear located on its outer edge.

Purpose: The flywheel, or flexplate, mounts to the engine's crankshaft and also serves as a mounting location for the torque converter. Consequently, the flywheel or flexplate transmits engine torque to the torque converter housing. The flywheel's ring gear also serves as an engagement point for the pinion of the starter motor when cranking the engine. Because of the lightweight design of the flywheel or flexplate, it does not help to smooth out power pulses from the engine like the flywheel does on a car with a manual transmission. On cars with automatic transmissions, the torque converter provides this function.
you are correct with this info , its mostly just a ring gear , and not too many companies make lightened ones for auto's oh well. but yes you should get the lightweight pully , it can do nothing but good .

:bow: sweet where did u order from.....????...... and what the heck was all the hype about that it didnt fit ect. about then...??? did they rvise it.... and where did u get it.... lol

read this thread
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32778

:bow: sweet where did u order from.....????...... and what the heck was all the hype about that it didnt fit ect. about then...??? did they rvise it.... and where did u get it.... lol

read this thread
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32778
Thanks dgHotLava I was too lazy to look for it :lalala: :lalala:

:P forgot to check up on that in a long time... lol but cool, sounds like its worth the money.... still a long waiting list... i wanna get one now too!!!

Any balancing issues here? I thought that the crank pulley also acts as a damper (thats how the xB service manual refers to it as well- "crank damper"). Anyways, I know that Weapon-R makes an engine damper for the xB. I understand that its a totally different thing then a crank pulley, but perhaps this could take out some engine vibration caused by the lightened pulley? Any thoughts?

is this the agency power crank pulley? cuz i contacted todd @ vivid racing and he said that it is the only crank pulley that they have................?

Any balancing issues here? I thought that the crank pulley also acts as a damper (thats how the xB service manual refers to it as well- "crank damper"). Anyways, I know that Weapon-R makes an engine damper for the xB. I understand that its a totally different thing then a crank pulley, but perhaps this could take out some engine vibration caused by the lightened pulley? Any thoughts?
The Weapon R damper is supposed to reduce engine twist caused by torque (I really dont see how that will do much more than a good engine mount but....
The "Crank Damper" is supposed to reduce rotation vibration, kinda like wheel weights reduce vibration on a balanced tire.

is this the agency power crank pulley? cuz i contacted todd @ vivid racing and he said that it is the only crank pulley that they have................?
Nope mine has Perrin stamped right on it.

Thank you munch for your candid remarks about the pulley. We have somehow become unsubscribed to the previous fourm about the mis-made gen one part. All of the customers that purchased the item directly from us were taken care of VERY quickly. There was a communication breakdown between one of our dealers that added some additional time for many of the affected customers. To all of oyu please accept our apologies.

For those wishing to get the pulley please visit www.perrinperformance.com for a list of dealers or simply call us directly at 503-643-4677. (The pulley page for the SCION is under construction. This should be up in about 3 business days. Again our apologies.)

Thanks again to everyone at SCION Life for your patience. If ever I can be of assistance please just let me know!

Woo Hoo! Now that Munch posted it fits and works, I'm going to get one too!

Woo Hoo! Now that Munch posted it fits and works, I'm going to get one too!
Sweet 8)

So, with just the pulley, your clutch slips? :ponder:
Nope my clutch has been slipping under heavy load since I did my intake and exhaust. It's far worse now :doh:

Mine is the same way. If I am really wailing on the car, the clutch slips in 2nd and 3rd. I wasnt sure if I was the only one or not....

So, with just the pulley, your clutch slips? :ponder:
Nope my clutch has been slipping under heavy load since I did my intake and exhaust. It's far worse now :doh:

Mine is the same way. If I am really wailing on the car, the clutch slips in 2nd and 3rd. I wasnt sure if I was the only one or not....
Nope they put a cheapo clutch in these cars. But I have a much better clutch to put in once I get the time.

Hey everyone just though i'de toss in my two cents about the perrin pulley. It is a great product and actually lessend some vibration in the engine. Also seems to have improved the throttle a little . Lastly it seems to have given the little box a bit more pull getting into higher acceleration. overall seems to be a very well built part. Dont Fear the MOD it is good and easy to install. :clap:

must be nice it's on my list of upcoming mods.

question for those that have installed this pulley ... whats the level of difficulty on install

ive installed the injen short ram on my box already - would ytou say this is easier / harder then doing that ?

also .. what kind of instructions does the pulley come with ? are they as detailed as the injen ones ?

thanx in advance

question for those that have installed this pulley ... whats the level of difficulty on install

ive installed the injen short ram on my box already - would ytou say this is easier / harder then doing that ?

also .. what kind of instructions does the pulley come with ? are they as detailed as the injen ones ?

thanx in advance
The pulley is very easy to install. It does not come with instructions , but you really don't need any. Just remove the old one and replace it with the Perin Pulley. It's simple.

question for those that have installed this pulley ... whats the level of difficulty on install

ive installed the injen short ram on my box already - would ytou say this is easier / harder then doing that ?

also .. what kind of instructions does the pulley come with ? are they as detailed as the injen ones ?

thanx in advance
The pulley is very easy to install. It does not come with instructions , but you really don't need any. Just remove the old one and replace it with the Perin Pulley. It's simple.

one more question before i head over to vivid and get mine :)

how hard is it getting to the actual pulley .. i think you mentioned getting 2 belts off ... is this something i could possibly mess up ? .. im not one to usually mess with the engine but this sounds like a sick mod ...

thanx again

tom

ah hell :) i just went and placed my order with vivid ...

any install pics would be great munch :)

Someone needs to do a write up for the "tech" section

ah hell :) i just went and placed my order with vivid ...

any install pics would be great munch :)
The pictures that I took when I put mine on didn't come out too great. Sorry bro.

Someone needs to do a write up for the "tech" section


:) Hmmm who? who could do such a thing? :)

Oh, not me. Mikochu must.

someone here needs to take good pics when doing theirs.
and add a decent write up.
Mikochu will then add it to the tech section...

Yeah, someone else do the how-to. :pray: I don't know when I'm going to be able to purchase the Perrin lightened pulley. I'm trying to save up for a new mp3 player and wheels...

Aaaaargh, got my pulley yesterday, jack up the car last night, removed the plastic underneath the car and then realized that I had no clue on how to remove the belts?????, Then when I took my rachet to the bolt on the pulleyall it did was rotate it.... Obviously doin somethin wrong, does anyone have any advice for removing the belts and oem pulley? Thanx

Aaaaargh, got my pulley yesterday, jack up the car last night, removed the plastic underneath the car and then realized that I had no clue on how to remove the belts?????, Then when I took my rachet to the bolt on the pulleyall it did was rotate it.... Obviously doin somethin wrong, does anyone have any advice for removing the belts and oem pulley? ThanxYou have to loosen the alternator bolts and rotae the alternator down to loosen that belt. For the power steering belt, I just stuck a big screwdriver between the belt and the pulley, put a ratchet on the crank pulley and turned it while prying the belt to the side and rotated the crak bolt until it came off. Nice an easy. For the crank bolt if you don't have air tools I feel sorry for you. Just put the car in gear and then give it a try. If the wheels spin have someone hold the wheel for you and try to break it loose quick. That's all the help I can provide without doing it myself. I hope it helps you out.

Thanks Munch... I wish I had air tools! But I'll give it a try w/ hand tools! Any additional suggestions would be great! I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Thanks Munch... I wish I had air tools! But I'll give it a try w/ hand tools! Any additional suggestions would be great! I'll let you guys know how it goes.
I gave you my trick for the power steering belt. That's all I got :ponder:

If the wheels spin have someone hold the wheel for you and try to break it loose quick.

if its in gear (like you said) just have them step on the breaks....

What do the brakes have to do w/ the engine turning over? Aren't they independant of the engine crank turning?

engine --turns-- transmission

transmission --turns-- wheels

brakes --stop-- wheels can you see the connection???

AAAHHHHHHhhhhhhhh. ...... I see says the blind young man... Thanks fr the tips guys, I'm gonna try and get that thing done this weekend. Can't wait to see what happens!

engine --turns-- transmission

transmission --turns-- wheels

brakes --stop-- wheels can you see the connection???
Yup Yup 8)

just figured that if you had a tire spinning, it was most likely to be the one you would be working by.

having someone step on the brakes (and in gear) would keep them out of your way....

does anything bad happen if you turn the crank the wrong way? (either tightening or loosening the pulley)

Well took the hand tools to it and guess what, no luck. first of all when I loosened the 2 alternator bolts to move the alternater, it would not budge... then I took your advice, putting the car in gear and stepping on the brakes, but what do you know, the pulley still spins, so now i guess I'll just have to take it to a shop to get it done :relief:

Use a screwdriver and lodge it into the stock pulley so you can untighten the bolt...

Just installed the pulley this morning and i gotta say this is a must have for your xa or xb. car revs so much faster now 8)

untighten the bolt...

is that the same as loosen????


j/p

Just installed the pulley this morning and i gotta say this is a must have for your xa or xb. car revs so much faster now 8)
Yup 8)

I feel like a moron! :loser: Ran out of time to inatall my pulley this weekend cause I had to go to work & I couldn't figure out how to take the pulley off. Mikochu's suggestion to use the screwdriver came just after I'd already lowered the car and goin to work. I guess I'll have to give it another go. Hopefully Someone can do a How-to in the tech section so morons like me have a baby proof play by play on how to get this thing on. From what I'm reading, it seems like everyone is very happy w/ it.

use pully puller

I feel like a moron! :loser: Ran out of time to inatall my pulley this weekend cause I had to go to work & I couldn't figure out how to take the pulley off. Mikochu's suggestion to use the screwdriver came just after I'd already lowered the car and goin to work. I guess I'll have to give it another go. Hopefully Someone can do a How-to in the tech section so morons like me have a baby proof play by play on how to get this thing on. From what I'm reading, it seems like everyone is very happy w/ it.
I would recommend spending the $10 it costs for 24 hours of access to the xB Service Manual at http://techinfo.toyota.com/. You can download lots of pdf files that might come in handy later on as well. The file that would come in handy here is called "Drive Belt Replacement" (section 14-5). It spells it all out.

From quickly reading through the section a few suggestions:

1. Use a small pipe or handle of sturdy tool to wedge the alternator forward. Its refereed to as an adjusting bar in the Manual. Just be careful not to insert whatever you are using between the oil control valve. You will need to use this "pipe" to wedge tension back to the belt when reinstalling as well.

2. There are two bolts to loosen for the power steering ("Vane Pump") as well. You might try the screwdriver method if it has worked for others, but it seems like this would be easier. Imagine that the vane pump pulley is a clock. The fist bolt is at around 12:30 or 1:00. The second bolt is accessible through the gaps in the pulley construction. If you were looking at the pulley head-on, imagine that the pattern that is visible is an "x". The bolt is accessible at 6:00 through the gap in the "x". You might need the adjusting bar to loosen and tighten this back up as well.

3. As for getting the damper off, I saw a damper puller at Pep Boys the other day. I don't think that its expensive. If the damper is spinning while you are trying to loosen the bolt, I would try using the same tool you used to adjust the tension in the belts to stop the pulley from turning. Hold the adjusting bar with one hand and torque wrench with the other. Air tools rule.

Stupid question......

Does this void the warranty???

Stupid question......

Does this void the warranty???

Yeah it does.

someone here needs to take good pics when doing theirs.
and add a decent write up.
Mikochu will then add it to the tech section...


ere ya go...

http://www.echodrivers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4967&highlight=

http://www.perrinperformance.com/Assets/Images/Scion/Crank_Pulley01.jpg

Stupid question......

Does this void the warranty???

Yeah it does.
I've heard otherwise.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43018&highlight=perrin+pulley+warranty
Personally I don't care, If I need to worry about warranty I can return it to OEM.