I'm just testing the waters here. Need some questions answered from a lot of guys. Top posters, first time posters, your friends who live down the block I need your opinions. Please EVERYONE give me a answer/suggestion. I'm going to build a turbo kit for A box, and if everyone puts in enough input I want to remake the kit to share with you.

Would you be interested in buying a turbo kit? SERIOUSLY would you be interested.. knowing its going to be a HUGE purchase for the box? I know most people bought the box to save money.. Well i did... :lol:

How much would you pay for the kit. The research i've done from 2 companies that are going to release the kit is going to MSRP @ 3000 :shock: how much would you honestly pay?

How much of a power increase would it have to make in order for it to grab your attention... Remember our boxes dyno @ low 90s WHP stock. With the Supercharger kits they are saying 120-130 and no one know if thats WHP or fly wheel. How much power do you want it to make. Stages may be available..

Would you like a top mount intercooler or front mount where stock grill is located?

ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED!!!!!

If I dont get enough replies on this thing, or the requests are just impossible to do, then the project gets shoved in the closest, and I just go nitrous. Just trying to help you guys out...

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i would love to see a front mount cool...
now, when i comes to power...all i've been hearin is that the top turbo companys are blowin engines left and right...i dont know what would cause that...(just cause i dont know turbos)...but i would love to see...at least 130...to da wheels...with a nice loud blow off...hehehehehe...just cause i love that sound...
price? wow...seriouly...i would not mind paying...ummm....3500...to...4000....but with installation...does that sound like too much? or too little...

hows that?

I would buy one right now. Hopefully under $2500 and 130 to the wheels would be real nice. Something that is capable of 180 crank hp in the future. I think a top mount intercooler is all that it needs cuz then your looking at a lot more work for a FMI unless your just gunna stick it behind the stock bumper but that kinda sux cuz way less air and a top mount would do the job upto 200hp just fine.

Is this why you showed that "guess what turbo this is" thread?

Stage 1: Low boost application with sfc
Stage 2: Intercooler upgrade (top mount since it would be easier and cost efficient due to less piping) w/ fuel management comp upgrade/piggyback

Good luck though since the ECU is boost unfriendly from what I hear.

Oh and I agree with Joe on the price and the power output.

I have an xA, so the layout may be a little different, but here's my opinion anyway...


Simply put, I am just waiting until one is done, tested, and ready to be put on the car. As soon as that is done, and I know how much it costs, i'd be getting one. I would expect to pay around $3000. But that better include EVERYTHING that is needed. Obviously, our cars are not that powerful to begin with, and adding a kit like this, isn't going to win us any drag races. They aren't going to be all that big, and shouldn't cost the same amount as if you are buying one for a Subaru or Nissan or something. Installation would be nice to be included, but it's tougher for people who aren't located in California, plus, I rather do it myself if I could.

I personally, would much rather have a FMIC, just because it goes really well with my other plans. As for figures, I think about 120-130 to the wheels would be nice. I don't want anything crazy, and start busting axels or anything. But something that give a noticible difference in power, and makes people say, wow, look at that.

I think having stages would be cool too. You know, have an entry level kit, that put's out decent numbers, and is a good buy for people. Then maybe have another kit that puts out higher figures, but would require a little more modification. I'm not sure what the demand would be for a higher output like that. In my current situation, I don't think I would go for the 2nd stage kit, or anything else higher.

Hope that helps a little. Just a different perspective from an xA owner.

well since a top mounted cooler would be less expensive...yea why not...



Good luck though since the ECU is boost unfriendly from what I hear.



is that why the engines are going...http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_1_112.gif??

I think a top mount intercooler is all that it needs cuz then your looking at a lot more work for a FMI unless your just gunna stick it behind the stock bumper but that kinda sux cuz way less air and a top mount ?

That's why i said behind the grill or replacing the front grill all together.

Ecu's are a _____ because they "learn" so by adjusting the SAFC, the ecu will "learn" and adjust setting accordingly. that equals car go boom.

I know man but the split grille is what's the problem unless people decide to spend money on both a turbo kit and an aftermarket bumper cuz that would look messed up if you cut out the bumper section in between the grilles and have some gigantic square with a tiny ___ FMI sitting inside.

Are you gunna attempt this after el toro?

Possibly... Still waiting on a couple things for my final decision.. It's a lot of money to spend!!!

I talking about the front grill.. I'd remove the grill completely and put the FMIC in front of the one piece in the middle. the endtanks would have the outlets in the rear hear the headlights. some trimming maybe involved. remember everything is just up in the air and im taking ideas down..

BTW thanks DOC!!

Guess no one cares then huh...

I care.

:)

is that why the engines are going...??

More then likely to much boost is making the engines go.

I'd love a turbo setup. Engine management is more important to me however. Performance is all based on the tuning. You can have a bone stock motor H22 power a civic to the 10's with the right tune or blow up with 6psi.

No FMU's of AFC's.

I think the biggest thing hold me back is the fuel tuning. putta a kit together is EASY, but tuning it is going to suck. Some people say the AFC is going to work, some people say its not. I honestly think its not going to matter now, after speaking with RC engineering. the injector size we are running should be enough to handle the small amount of boost im shooting for. 5-6 psi. Im just trying to figure out how I can get high flow fuel pump when no one is making on application specific. Im thinking inline pump...

I guarantee there are a ton of people dying to buy one...however, there are also a ton of people who are just tired of talking about it...I am one of them...I am tired of speculating, and calculating....I want someone else to do all of that for me...make the kit, and sell it to me...I dont care about the price....I want reliable, quality horsepower, and i dont want to think about it too much. :lol:

well that takes out all the fun. :wink:

there is interest. there just need to be a quality kit available.

well its all going to be a custom kit... i already have the fuel controll figured out..


BWAHAHAHAHAHA :twisted:

I am down to pay whatever for a turbo when I can afford it. Right now I don't have even
1k to blow. I would expect a decent increase in HP/TQ and for a decent price if I could
afford to purchase one. I don't know much about turbo but if everything looked good I would purchase it from you. I think I would rather see a s/c though.
Good luck.

i would love to see a front mount cool...
now, when i comes to power...all i've been hearin is that the top turbo companys are blowin engines left and right...i dont know what would cause that...(just cause i dont know turbos)...but i would love to see...at least 130...to da wheels...with a nice loud blow off...hehehehehe...just cause i love that sound...
price? wow...seriouly...i would not mind paying...ummm....3500...to...4000....but with installation...does that sound like too much? or too little...

hows that?

what he said

No FMU's of AFC's.

Why not? if we're only looking @ low psi? FMU would be fine. Above 6 psi, i'd go injectors + AFC..

Standalones are way too much money to spend on a econobox that isn't going to make gobs of power IMO

how bout aiming for 6-8psi? injector's, afc, etc... is fine by me

i want to start low to be safe.

Just my two cents,

Its a scion, its gotta be priced scion $2500.00 max for the basic kit. a realistic 130 hp. and C.A.R.B. approved at least . But for me its gotta be a toyota /TRD part as I can break anything on any car so I need a warranty. But hell im thinkin of blowing serious $ on some 12 lb 17' wheels. for SCCA comp.

I WILL be buying a turbo kit and I will buy based on the following:

1. The cheapest turbo or even surpercharger kit I can find. (I want under 2g)
2. The simplest and least problematic to install and maintain.
3. I don't care if it also has a lower HP/TQ boost compared to other turbo's. With the weight to power ratio of the xB, all I need is around a 20-30hp boost.
4. Doesn't affect Gas Mileage.
5. Price is king. Make the simplest / most generic turbo you can make so you can sell it at a rock bottom price and everyone will buy yours.

4. Doesn't affect Gas Mileage.



You're gonna be out of luck on that one. Any turbo setup will effect your gas mileage. I'm not sure how much you should expect to lost, but expect to lose some.

1. The cheapest turbo or even surpercharger kit I can find. (I want under 2g)
2. The simplest and least problematic to install and maintain.
3. I don't care if it also has a lower HP/TQ boost compared to other turbo's. With the weight to power ratio of the xB, all I need is around a 20-30hp boost.


I agree 100% with these statements, if its possible to get easy and cheap in 1 package. I don't mind a 25-35 hp boost if thats what it takes to keep my engine from doing the high jump through the hood. But most of all I want to see QUALITY-QUALITY-QUALITY Hypothetically you're gonna have to be able to compete with TRD warranties because Most people and myself included are willing to wait and spend the extra 500-1000 bucks if Toyota is backing the parts and it keeps the vehicles original warranty intact as well.
I don't think it really matters where the intercooler is, or what forms of hardware it utilizes as long as I can whole heartedly feel safe knowing at all times that it's on my car and I have nothing to worry about with pre-mature engine wear, or a mangled bottom or top end or driveability issues. Anyway I appreciate you taking all these posts into consideration, good luck.

I can do a high quality kit no prob.

just remember high quality = high priced. I can get away with the some of the best products that are needed and keep the cost low. but if you want the best of the best stuff expect to pay for it.

And it doesnt matter if its supercharger, No2, turbo, or even an intake. It's only going to be as good as the installer/tuner is.

I WILL be buying a turbo kit and I will buy based on the following:

1. The cheapest turbo or even surpercharger kit I can find. (I want under 2g)
2. The simplest and least problematic to install and maintain.
3. I don't care if it also has a lower HP/TQ boost compared to other turbo's. With the weight to power ratio of the xB, all I need is around a 20-30hp boost.
4. Doesn't affect Gas Mileage.
5. Price is king. Make the simplest / most generic turbo you can make so you can sell it at a rock bottom price and everyone will buy yours.

You really might want to reconsider #s 1 and 5, simply because cheap price also usually equates to cheap quality. And I don't think it's worth developing a *cheap* solution that might cause catastrophic failure of someone's engine. And as a consumer, you really shouldn't pay less for inferior parts and put yourself at that risk. What if it's your engine that blows up, and you can't get a replacement under warranty? Then you end up shelling out thousands to resolve a problem that could've been avoided if you spent an extra couple hundred the first time around. This whole scenario is played out VERY OFTEN in the world of aftermarket automotive performance, and I'd hate to see it happen here too...

Rev Hard is coming out with a front mount intercooled kit. Just give them a few more months to finish it up so that it is flawless to the public.

I see talking but no action. I found two web sites that have turbo kits for the xB. Go to www.scioned.com or www.turbokits.com. You will find kits there plus other cool stuff for the xB. Hoped this helped.

You can't see the action, because fuel management sucks ___. I offically stopped with my plans to make that damn kit a long time ago.

BTW no turbo kits are out yet.

You can't see the action, because fuel management sucks ___. I offically stopped with my plans to make that damn kit a long time ago.

BTW no turbo kits are out yet.
i got fuel management worked out :)

Hey peppy....How's your turbo setup coming along?

Hey peppy....How's your turbo setup coming along?
it's coming, the manifold is getting made this week, i'm shooting for a june 1st release date

You can't see the action, because fuel management sucks ___. I offically stopped with my plans to make that damn kit a long time ago.

BTW no turbo kits are out yet.
i got fuel management worked out :)
another controller and set of fuel injectors
or inline pump.....
or u got under the car and put a pressure regulator on the return line off the pump so u could raise the pressure....or another way? just curious

You can't see the action, because fuel management sucks ___. I offically stopped with my plans to make that damn kit a long time ago.

BTW no turbo kits are out yet.
i got fuel management worked out :)
another controller and set of fuel injectors
or inline pump.....
or u got under the car and put a pressure regulator on the return line off the pump so u could raise the pressure....or another way? just curious
none of the above :) i'm not gonna leak too much info about it but i will this and this only, it will be plug and play :)

Old turbo article...

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0402tur_scion/

i work for Dynotech Performance in Manville, NJ ....

I just recently joined the forum to learn more about the Scion vehicles since I might buy one in the near future to replace my '87 CRX which runs great, but is starting to fall apart around the engine lol

At my shop we primarily work on forced induction cars like the Buick Grand National, GMC Syclone/Typhoon, and Supercharged 3800 GM cars, among other variants of FI applications including imports.

I see a lot of people requiring that these supercharger and/or turbo kits be "cheap". I must forwarn that any aspect of adapting a normally aspirated engine to forced induction is hardly cheap.

It will require the obvious exhaust and intake plumbing rework and packaging. Depending on the strength of the stock engine, its internals, head gaskets, and ability of the cooling system to absorb the increased heat generated by a forced induction engine you'd have to address those systems.

Also, the same applies to the transmission being used. You'll induce more wear and tear on the stock parts. Consideration for restalled torque converter or aftermarket clutch... making a shift-kit for the auto trans and addressing whatever weaknesses when you start throwing 60+hp at it.

Also, the stock fuel system will need to be augmented with either a puller pump or upgrading the existing pump with a Walbro 340, 392LS, or Weldon or similar and enlarging the feed and return lines to provide more fuel volume on demand... also the stock injectors have a certain power support capability and that also varies depending on their duty cycle.

You can suppress detonation with either a alcohol injection or propane injection kit. Our turbo buicks can get into the 10s on pump gas in a 3600lb car by using the alky or propain.

A piggy-back computer will be needed, or a secondary, separate fuel system and injectors will be needed and switched on when boost is sensed by a Hobbs pressure switch or RPM switch. You could ad extra injectors to the intake tract to do this.

Based on the weight of the xB, I figured out that you'd need to make about 216rwhp to break into the 12s, which I think is the contemporary all-around respectable performance goal for anything street driven... at least around these parts..., that's in a manual equipped xB, so that equates to about 260whp.

Also, the manual will always be slower then a auto equipped vehicle with a turbo, even with a BOV. An auto will shift consistently and faster then any stick car.

I think if you want quick bang-for-the buck, a NOS system would work if you keep it at 75hp-shot or less. It has its own augmentation for the fuel system, is easier to install, doesn't require screwing with the computer usually...

The xB wasn't designed to go fast. To make it fast and more powerfull, going beyond the confines of the original design will NOT be cheap by any means.. unless you've got a great hook-up with a company who is going to make a kit for these... or in my case friends with a custom fabrication shop.

Despite my connections, I don't plan on going to forced induction. I'll do basic NA applicable mods and then leave it alone.

Heck, if I was dying to make a xB fast, I'd set the firewall back, cut the floor out and build in a trans tunnel, stick in a live axle, mini-tub it and put in either a Mitsu 4g63 with big turbo, or a grand national engine with 2004r on a trans-brake, or, if I could squeeze it, a Supra 2JZ-GTE engine :D

Then I could go smoke all them turbo Dodge Caravans :P

For the indefinite future, if and when i get a xB, it'll be appearance, comfort and minor bolt-on mods and i'll leave my disgusting-amount-of-power plans to my supra powered chrysler conquest project :)

Yo dan...

My sentiments eggggzactly.

I've ran a 7lbs boost turbo kit in my Mini cooper... Piggyback fuel computer, larger fuel injectors, new header, and a 5th injector. All for a mere 7lbs.

Now, if someone says they have a turbo on the Scion that does not utilize any of what has been mentioned... maybe they work for NASA? Anyhow, I've learned TURBo is possible, it works on our smaller motors.. but anyone seeking HUGE gains... will be blowing fragments.

You can't see the action, because fuel management sucks ___. I offically stopped with my plans to make that damn kit a long time ago.

BTW no turbo kits are out yet.
i got fuel management worked out :)
another controller and set of fuel injectors
or inline pump.....
or u got under the car and put a pressure regulator on the return line off the pump so u could raise the pressure....or another way? just curious
none of the above :) i'm not gonna leak too much info about it but i will this and this only, it will be plug and play :)
if your talking about replacing the ecu your already costing me to much money....hoping your talkin about a piggy back unit

You can't see the action, because fuel management sucks ___. I offically stopped with my plans to make that damn kit a long time ago.

BTW no turbo kits are out yet.
i got fuel management worked out :)
another controller and set of fuel injectors
or inline pump.....
or u got under the car and put a pressure regulator on the return line off the pump so u could raise the pressure....or another way? just curious
none of the above :) i'm not gonna leak too much info about it but i will this and this only, it will be plug and play :)
if your talking about replacing the ecu your already costing me to much money....hoping your talkin about a piggy back unit
i'm not gonna be replacing the ECU, it will be a sort of piggy back unit, but it will be plug and play

nice...need someone to test it for ya.... :)
could u maybe send me the schematics?