ok.. so i had a megan header, invidia s-pipe, and megan oe-rs exhaust, stock midpipe... and it was barely louder than stock, and every so often would give off a rasp sound if i accelerated really hard... but rarely..

then i replaced the midpipe with the tsudo midpipe with the 18 inch resonator on it, and the car went from quiet to insanely loud, it sounded sooo ricey and i hated it... raspy and had that metallic loud sound too it...

so then i went to a shop to get a 30 inch glass pack welded on in place of the resonator, and omfg... its as good as it was before the midpipe replacement almost... i would say HONESTLY 95 % of the rasp is gone and that metallic ricey sound is completely gone...

bets part was, i got the glass pack installed for $42 ... very cheap... i recommend this to anyone... i now have complete exhaust, no cats, and it just has a deep rumble too it, barely any rasp at all, and no metallic ricey sound... so happy with this

Sounds like a good setup..once question though..I heard glass packs lose there effectiveness after about 5k miles or so? *shrug* don't know much on the subject so thought I would ask

hmm I might have to try this with my evo2. even though I'm use to the sound already. how much/where did u get ur glasspack?

it is effective all the way thru the rpm band... obviously if u floor it u will hear a bit more rasp, but still barely anything compared to how my setup was before... i couldnt stand driving my car before... now i love it... when i floor it it actually sounds good...

im in jacksonville so i got it at some local muffler and welding shop... a real old looking place but they put it on in like 25 mins and it was $42 installed... this is DEFINATELY worth getting...

if u have no cats, and a complete aftermarket exhaust setup like i have, go for the 30 inch resonator and u wont be sorry unless you love that terrible metallic rasp sound

Got a sound clip? I installed a Dme header and megan 2.5" s-pipe 2 weeks ago and I love the horsepower gains but the rasp is killing me I talk to a guy on here and am working on getting 2 aero 25's to have a buddy weld on after I cut off the cat in my stock mid pipe I also previously added a Brola rear section exhast and Injen cai

yes glasspacks lose there effectiveness bc the materials within them melt changing the sound.

no i dont have any sound clips sorry... its fiberglass inside, i doubt those melt anytime soon... like everything im sure it loses its effectiveness over time, thats when u replace it... $42 aint much to replace after a year or 2 or more

i took off my header and solve that problem right away

Put stock header back on

No way I'm taking off the header and lose the power gain I'll get a custom exhaust from s-pipe back and 2 aero 25's to take care of rasp first

anybody else got any videos to post up so we can hear their setup? i would like to hear a setup with a full exhaust system with no cats and a couple of resonators or so. oh and has anyone passed emissions without any cats in their area?

No way I'm taking off the header and lose the power gain I'll get a custom exhaust from s-pipe back and 2 aero 25's to take care of rasp first


not to sound like an ___, but really, the hp gains from a header are almost negligible maybe two, three hp, and thats at the crank, not the wheels.

but hey, to each their own, I'm not going to try and change your car. I've gone through two headers myself

lol, 'power gain.'

LOL lots of "power" being gained from a header

yes glasspacks lose there effectiveness bc the materials within them melt changing the sound.

I think it's due to the fiberglass packing finding it's way out of the resonator. Blow out.

ok.. so i had a megan header, invidia s-pipe, and megan oe-rs exhaust, stock midpipe... and it was barely louder than stock, and every so often would give off a rasp sound if i accelerated really hard... but rarely..

then i replaced the midpipe with the tsudo midpipe with the 18 inch resonator on it, and the car went from quiet to insanely loud, it sounded sooo ricey and i hated it... raspy and had that metallic loud sound too it...

so then i went to a shop to get a 30 inch glass pack welded on in place of the resonator, and omfg... its as good as it was before the midpipe replacement almost... i would say HONESTLY 95 % of the rasp is gone and that metallic ricey sound is completely gone...

bets part was, i got the glass pack installed for $42 ... very cheap... i recommend this to anyone... i now have complete exhaust, no cats, and it just has a deep rumble too it, barely any rasp at all, and no metallic ricey sound... so happy with this

basically what your saying is that instead of doing the smart thing and selling your header, you were and idiot and dumped even more money into an exhaust that yields you minimal gains if any? that sounds like a great idea!!!! heres a better idea, i spent half as much money on my exhaust and i guarantee it fits better, sounds better, and looks better and i could still beat you in a race... tanabe concept G and megan mid-pipe ftw!

I want to hear a sound clip from outside the car lol. 99% of the tC's that have 'eliminated' rasp have only listened to it from inside the car, and it still sounds horrible outside.

http://www.fquick.com/videos/viewvideo.php?id=8134

Magnaflow...no rasp. :)

Umm, that is raspy. It's barely being revved and it sounds like ____. That thing is probably raspy as hell over 4k RPM. And that's for a catback, so it most likely does not have a header.

"HUSHPOWER" only way to go

headers have been dyno'd and prove an average of 8-10 hp gain... to the wheels...

so dont be stupid and say 2 to 3 at the crank...

im stupid because i kept my header?? you wont be beating me in a race unless you are turbo'd and im an AUTO

YAY, I have 10 extra hp

The whole bolt on controversy is getting old, no need to bring the fight back up. Some people say header back exhaust and intake only gets 5 hp, some say it gets 20-30hp, blah blah blah neither have real legit proof to back it up enless they show a dyno, so both sides should relax, enless of course... you have the previously mentioned dynos to prove your point?


5 hp sayers, go dyno it and show the 5 mere hp gain, 40 hp sayers go dyno and show it.

Bolt-ons don't make power - FACT
I have it dyno'd - FACT
w/ krazyjvilled's setup his bolt-ons are giving him as much added benefit over stock as possible, if anyone were familiar with his setup they would agree.

Good job on at least trying to eliminate rasp, not sound like a ricer and increasing air flow through your exhaust....you'll definitely benefit from it.

Now all you need now is to boost the biotch :love:

And for the record I absolutely guarantee anyone pushing less than dyno proven 200whp isn't going to beat him in a race.

lol there is no need to dyno, people say 5hp because that have infact dynoed many times! Actually i raced my friend, stock tc vs me with intake header and exhaust, neither one of us pulled on eachother. if the bolt ons did that much difference than i would have smashed him. Also your auto....wowwww no comment!

He is on an auto and I bet you still can't beat him :P

Haha, I didn't know it was automatic. Full bolts ons for an auto will make about 140. Hell, the S/C only makes 156 on autos, tc4italy proved that one for us :lol:.

yea i had header, intake, pulleys, full exhaust and i maybe beat my friends stock tc by 2 inches lol :/ so i just took off the header and now my car sounds sweet =)

And I still bet with his setup he would beat 80% of the people that have posted in this thread easily

^^ lol yea sure

lol, for him to beat someone with just under 200whp, he would have needed to shave roughly 800lbs off his car or be running at least a 75 shot, lmfao.

My sister has an automatic tC. I know first hand exactly how horribly slow it is. It's barely any faster than my 95 Accord.

^^ lol yea sure

I guarantee he'll walk you easily.

Your 140whp turd vs his 190whp AUTO tC.

yea i had header, intake, pulleys, full exhaust and i maybe beat my friends stock tc by 2 inches lol :/ so i just took off the header and now my car sounds sweet =)

and i was one of the ones who told you not to get it...

I guarantee he'll walk you easily.

Your 140whp turd vs his 190whp AUTO tC.


Only way he is pushing that is with spray, not just full exhaust, intake and pulley like they were talking.

OP what glasspack did you get?

Only way he is pushing that is with spray, not just full exhaust, intake and pulley like they were talking.

I'm not going to comment on his setup since it can be found using the search but he will make at least 180whp easily with what he has.

lol, he's spraying. He's also claiming to have 240hp, rofl.

Nitrous != bolt ons lol.

I'm not going to comment on his setup since it can be found using the search but he will make at least 180whp easily with what he has.


lol I know he spraying to make that, I have seen his posts. That is besides the point we were talking about a race with someone that has just I/E against his I/H/E not spray

I guarantee he'll walk you easily.

Your 140whp turd vs his 190whp AUTO tC.


:blah: lol not gonna argue with immature people, all i was saying is that my car with intake, header, pulleys and full exhaust barely beat my friends auto tc sooo go take your little know it all attitude somewhere else

and i was one of the ones who told you not to get it...


lol ooo yea i remember now

Lol yeh I can't see how anyone would want a header

lol yea i just liked it because it looked nice in the engine bay

to me it didn't look that great, after a while it tarnished and looked like crap, besides a painted header cover looks better and doesnt cause a nasty sound!

yea i mean my car didnt sound bad because i had a big resonator put on and my megan oe-rs exhaust wasnt loud so it sounded good but as soon as i changed to the injen ses exhaust it just sounded terrible lol so i just took off the header and now its good, and im not into shows or anything anymore so it didnt matter =/

:blah: lol not gonna argue with immature people, all i was saying is that my car with intake, header, pulleys and full exhaust barely beat my friends auto tc sooo go take your little know it all attitude somewhere else

The OP never stated he was making power, he stated he eliminated rasp. That has nothing to do with power, everything to do with exhaust.

It was you that said you beat a buddy in a tC by 2 inches so you removed it that's your choice but for his setup he benefits from it even if you did not.

lol, he's spraying. He's also claiming to have 240hp, rofl.

Nitrous != bolt ons lol.

I definitely wouldn't say 240hp lol not on an auto with a 75 shot, hell not on my manual with a 75 shot.

The boltons help with air flow though, better than stock with nitrous.

lol I know he spraying to make that, I have seen his posts. That is besides the point we were talking about a race with someone that has just I/E against his I/H/E not spray

The point I was making was his setup isn't I/H/E alone, he's spraying and the way it is wired in he can't say "okay' i'll run you w/o spray". Just like I can't say i'll run you and not hit boost, it'll be impossible, he won't be able to go WOT. If he knows in advance i'm sure he can cut the 12v source to the solenoids so everything could be fair.

I know full well I/H/E doesn't make power, I have I/H/E and didn't make power...the biggest waste of money when you invest in those alone not to mention horrid rasp. Unless the header is ceramic coated it'll need to be polished in no time to keep it looking halfway decent but it is still garbage for a stock setup but then again no one would invest in all that stuff if they wanted power, just the sound and for show.

His car is still slow lmao.

k thats fine its just that you were the one that starting say, your car sucks or his car is faster than yours and stuff, i was just saying that having a header really wont get you the power he thinks it does, or saying that a turbo'd tc is the only tc that would beat his lol

His car is still slow lmao.

LOL not to him Carbon, let him have his fun with the laughing gas

k thats fine its just that you were the one that starting say, your car sucks or his car is faster than yours and stuff, i was just saying that having a header really wont get you the power he thinks it does, or saying that a turbo'd tc is the only tc that would beat his lol


LOL, I know a 95 Escort that can beat his car but that isn't the point lol.

You're exactly right a header alone is a waste and looks hideous after 3 months, I totally agree.

His car can beat most s/c tC's for a few runs until the juice ran out.

You're exactly right though, I was agreeing with you, i've been down that road before.

:icon_smile:coolll

is it me or after the new Sl came out, all the retards came out of hiding?

Umm, that is raspy. It's barely being revved and it sounds like ____. That thing is probably raspy as hell over 4k RPM. And that's for a catback, so it most likely does not have a header.

How do you figure raspy? you are just hearing the speakers...cuz it was recorded on digital camera. And no there isn't a header. And you are stupid, there is no rasp period. that is why i got magnaflow, cuz it is quieter and not ricey or raspy.

^^ maybe its the speakers but it does sound raspy

How do you figure raspy? you are just hearing the speakers...cuz it was recorded on digital camera. And no there isn't a header. And you are stupid, there is no rasp period. that is why i got magnaflow, cuz it is quieter and not ricey or raspy.

Hum....I have a Magnaflow catback, no header and it still sounded raspy at higher RPM's but to each his own, as long as you don't think it's raspy that's all that matters.