I'm in the process of purchasing a SCION, but i haven't decided on which one. I love the styling of the XD, but not the performance.
So because of this, I decided to contact the best company (IMO) currently making products for SCION, PTUNING. I asked if they were planning any sort of turbo kit for the XD, and I said that I was sure that if they produced one, many XD owners would buy it.
Here was their response,
Hello Mike,
Thank you for your inquiry.
We definitely can produce a worthy turbo kit for the Scion xD.
However, like any big project, in order for us to commit money and time in R&D, we would also need commitments from potential customers.
Therefore, if we can get 10 Scion xD customers to commit a $2000 deposit each, we would love to start R&D as early as October of this year.
We would also need a stock xD for development for about a month. The person loaning the xD will get the final turbo kit for half off.
Please contact me if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Mike @ PTUNING
ph: 703-257-1728
www.ptuning.com (http://www.ptuning.com)
I just thought I would share this incase anyone was interested, or just curious.
ack154
09-03-2009, 04:02 PM
That's a pretty hefty deposit right there. Especially from 10 people. I know R&D is expensive, but that might be a tough $20k to gather.
PTUNING
09-03-2009, 05:03 PM
To clarify on the deposit. We don't need the deposit money to do the R&D. However, we need these deposit as commitment to the kit once they are in production. As with any company, we can not afford to put tons of money into R&D to sell one kit.
Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions or concerns pertaining to this potential project.
Regards,
Mike @ PTUNING
WellesleyScion
09-03-2009, 07:19 PM
I dont understand, if you are looking for a commitment why arent you asking for a $500 deposit?
DeathMachine
09-03-2009, 07:28 PM
I dont understand, if you are looking for a commitment why arent you asking for a $500 deposit?
You won't be as apt to drop out with a $2000 deposit.
You're pretty much committed at that point, and if you're willing to give $2000 you're probably not gonna back out. If you give $500 bucks, after its all said and done its easier to talk yourself out of spending the rest.
chicotunner07
09-03-2009, 07:50 PM
2000k deposit is a lot, yes
but if you are serious about buying a kit for the XD then this should be no problem, and its basically a guaranteed awesomeness that comes with all Ptuning products!
bdis3
09-03-2009, 08:25 PM
everyone with an xD should pounce on this. I know I would
WellesleyScion
09-03-2009, 08:39 PM
and I would also be happier knowing that they only owe me $500 when they back out of making the kit...
no offense to PTuning, but we have had 4 companies say they will do it and none have come through for us... we need a little bit of confidence before we can drop $2000 on something that some one may take 2 years to return the money if it falls through...
youngflyer
09-03-2009, 08:43 PM
and I would also be happier knowing that they only owe me $500 when they back out of making the kit...
no offense to PTuning, but we have had 4 companies say they will do it and none have come through for us... we need a little bit of confidence before we can drop $2000 on something that some one may take 2 years to return the money if it falls through...
are you serious, its ptuning, if they gather enough potential customers and get what they need to get the ball rolling, they will! there not todd from turbo toyotas, ptuning is a very professional company!
bdis3
09-03-2009, 08:46 PM
P-tuning has a very good rep, and all the guys (that I have met) are straight forward and awesome people. A huge shop like them couldn't afford to do what Todd form TT did, because it would kill their rep and potentially ruin the company.
rosedaleny806
09-03-2009, 08:49 PM
all 4 companies yes, but none of them have the rep that ptuning has and u know with that comes quality and a great kit. just look at the TC kit
CarbonXe
09-03-2009, 09:05 PM
and I would also be happier knowing that they only owe me $500 when they back out of making the kit...
no offense to PTuning, but we have had 4 companies say they will do it and none have come through for us... we need a little bit of confidence before we can drop $2000 on something that some one may take 2 years to return the money if it falls through...
Back out? One of PTunings largest markets is the tC. If they back out of making the xD kit, they can kiss the majority of the tC market goodbye. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the Scion community is pretty cheap as a whole. I've seen countless times where people tried to get a product going, people said they would buy, and when time comes to pay up, only about 10-20% end up paying for their commitment. A $2,000 commitment deposit is nothing.
Mikey_Boy
09-03-2009, 09:29 PM
The reason I contacted PTuning was because I knew they were trustworthy. I mean, look at what they did for the tc community. They built an incredible turbo kit, as well as other great accesories. They even do a short block. And if that wasn't good enough, they made a cheaper short block, for those that don't want to spend that much.
Honestly I think if you do give them a deposit you have NOTHING to worry about. I'm sure you can expect a great turbo kit.
CASTREX
09-03-2009, 09:32 PM
$2K up payment is a bit on the steep side, but still reasonable if you are getting a complete and top notch quality kit...
I would estimate a $4K total for a decent kit including injectors, FIC and harness.
Another factor is the wait time... I wouldn't like to wait more than 8-10wks after the payment has been made to receive the parts...
Is not a bad deal... but getting 10 people will be hard...
Ptuning_tuner
09-03-2009, 09:33 PM
To all those that have spoken to us, met us, or just heard about us, thank you for the kind words.
Maybe Mike didn't make it too clear as to what the deposit was for. It's not to pay me or the PTUNING crew to do the actual R&D, it's to ensure that we have a fixed number of FULLY committed customers that are ready to pay the balance and receive their kits upon completion.
The difference between us and other smaller one-man operation shops that have failed in the past is that we do not try and manufacture all the final components in-house on an as you go basis. When we are done prototyping a particular part, we will have it manufactured in large quantities to ensure quality and repeatability of fit and finish. Unless we purposely make a running revision to a component of the kit, you can be sure that whether you recieve the first or the 100th intercooler piping set that they will all fit the same. Doing this the right way though cost mega dollars on our part. We often have to commit to producing components in quantities of 50-100 or more pieces at a time.
Now with only verbal commitments there is a very high probably rate that we as a company can end up sitting on several dozen of each component, which is not good.
Hope this helps to clarify things.
- Toan
Zefoxe
09-03-2009, 09:49 PM
PTuning is Scion's own Mugen/Spoon :P To expect any less is to expect that of those companies.
But $2k is a bit steep for most users here to tally up within a months time. Maybe we can schedule a payment plan with you guys, say like 300-400 a month at least to show commitment. By then end of the year that would be almost half at least.
silverbullet89
09-03-2009, 09:52 PM
ptuning im ready to put down 2000 for a tc automatic kit lol
Nateson
09-04-2009, 12:07 AM
What kind of time frame would you need 10 commitments by?
xD_kidd91
09-04-2009, 02:40 AM
if 2k is the deposit. how much are these kits supposibly going to run for? I can possibly come up with the money in a few weeks. But I dont mind you r&d my car for a month since you guys arent too far and wouldnt mind a half off =] lol. I've seen ptuning's work and really pleased with their tc and xa
PTUNING
09-04-2009, 02:54 AM
ptuning im ready to put down 2000 for a tc automatic kit lol
silverbullet89. I believed I talked to you in length at our showroom about a week ago regarding producing our tC turbo kit for the automatic trans. I have talked it over with our fabricator and production manager, and I have some updates. I don't want to go off on topic, so I will PM you soon.
Regards,
Mike @ PTUNING
PTUNING
09-04-2009, 03:19 AM
To answer a few commonly asked questions from this thread:
1. Why ask for $2000 and not less?
ANS: If someone make a $2000 deposit they most likely are dead serious and will not back out. Also, the kit will definitely be more than $2000.
2. How can you be sure that once we get the deposit, we don't back out?
ANS: As with any company, we rely on our previous track record. When we take on a project, it will be delivered.
3. When are you looking to develop this kit?
ANS: We have no timeline. It's really up to you. Once we get the minimum 10 commitments, we will make start the R&D process.
4. What is the expected turn around time for the production kit to ship?
ANS: Once the R&D process is completed, we anticipate the turn around time for the production pieces to be completed is within 8-12 weeks.
Please contact me if you have any further questions.
Regards,
Mike @ PTUNING
JDMJim
09-04-2009, 03:24 AM
i had inquired about something at Joliet's redline time attack while chatting with the xA owner since I have both a xB1 and a xD. but now that 2zzfe swap is intriguing
xD_kidd91
09-04-2009, 03:40 AM
im aware of being more then 2k but how much more is kinda the question if jst deposit alone is 2k. did that make sense?
xD_kidd91
09-04-2009, 03:41 AM
oo man. if any one can make a s/c then im soo in lol jst saying lol
Yang
09-04-2009, 05:57 AM
well looking at the tc kits, i'm guessing that it will run right around those price range. so the 2k is probably around half.
WellesleyScion
09-04-2009, 01:00 PM
ok If the community stands by PTuning then I guess I stand with them.
edit: nvrmind I just looked up the tC kits I got my own answer.
DeathMachine
09-04-2009, 01:34 PM
Wow guys, I'm really disappointed for the most part... Everyone on here has whined about there not being any support for the xD, and here we are with a REPUTABLE and WELL KNOWN company throughout the Scion community and you guys are STILL complaining because they are asking for commitment. Yeah, $2k is a little steep, but they (as a company) need to know beyond any reasonable doubt that you are fully commited!
Trust me, if I had a way to produce $2k for this I would! And if I lived a little closer to pTuning they would have my xD to do the R&D.
Come on guys, let get serious about this and quit whining. If you're gonna get on this thread and bash help from a reputable company then go somewhere else and add to their noise.
CarbonXe
09-04-2009, 01:44 PM
It's the Scion community, by far the cheapest car community out there. I've never seen so many people complain about prices so much. You've got to pay to play people.
xD_kidd91
09-04-2009, 04:10 PM
like i said. i dont mind ptuning r&d my car but yea. I was just asking how much would it be cause ea time I hear deposit. its like 20-25% of the price but yea now I got the idea nd its not too bad if you can add 100+hp like you did with the tc's :silly: lol
but yea I dont this is gonna happen because it reminds me of the time we needed at 15 people to purchase nst pulley and it took awhile till we got enough to be produced.
JDMJim
09-04-2009, 06:23 PM
Scion community is cheap, but it might be close with the Honda and VW's and everyone other community actually. it can always be found on the internet cheaper....lol
bdis3
09-04-2009, 06:24 PM
No one ever said that that $2000 was 20-25% of the price. They stated that it was just to make sure you weren't gonna back out.
xD_kidd91
09-04-2009, 06:42 PM
yeah thanks
CASTREX
09-04-2009, 06:47 PM
On the positive side to this whole deposit thing I can add that it will be more easy on the wallet to most people to make 2 payments instead of 1 big payment.
So instead of puting $4K down you will only have to put down 2K and would have 2-3 months to get the balance...
If I woudn't have started already with my own kit I would be so into this...
PTUNING
09-04-2009, 07:46 PM
Thank you all for your feedback.
Obviously, until we are actually in the R&D process we won't know the final price of the kit.
We went with $2000 because we anticipate the final price of the kit to be similar to that of our tC kit. So, $2000 is approximately half of the kit.
Hope this help.
Regards,
Mike @ PTUNING
Mikey_Boy
09-04-2009, 09:29 PM
ive seen many xd owners complain that its not fast enough. People even say they are thinking about swapping the engine, or making a custom kit with Yaris parts.
why even bother when you have such a great company like PTuning offering to help you out? they're just trying to be nice, and make the scion community the best it can be with their wonderful products.
pickledchang
09-04-2009, 10:44 PM
ive seen many xd owners complain that its not fast enough. People even say they are thinking about swapping the engine, or making a custom kit with Yaris parts.
why even bother when you have such a great company like PTuning offering to help you out? they're just trying to be nice, and make the scion community the best it can be with their wonderful products.
because not only is $4000 a lot of money (though im sure it would be quality), weve had a lot of promises and hopes shot down.... and those companies that do produce something get criticized by those who think they could do better but instead do nothing.
CarbonXe
09-04-2009, 10:47 PM
because not only is $4000 a lot of money (though im sure it would be quality), weve had a lot of promises and hopes shot down.... and those companies that do produce something get criticized by those who think they could do better but instead do nothing.
And one of those promises was Todd from TT, so you can forget about trying to use that as any credibility for disappointment. That was a guaranteed disappointment.
xD_kidd91
09-05-2009, 05:41 AM
Thank you all for your feedback.
Obviously, until we are actually in the R&D process we won't know the final price of the kit.
We went with $2000 because we anticipate the final price of the kit to be similar to that of our tC kit. So, $2000 is approximately half of the kit.
Hope this help.
how much power gain can we expect to get in our xd with a turbo kit and not having engine brake in half?
Im not trying to say our engines are the same as the tc's but ptuning's kits makes 100+hp with their 4k kit (based from website)
and purchasing a 4k kit for 40-50hp gain on a xd? :icon_nono:
pickledchang
09-05-2009, 06:59 PM
And one of those promises was Todd from TT, so you can forget about trying to use that as any credibility for disappointment. That was a guaranteed disappointment.
and if we all owned a tC, we could all be a ptuning fanboi, too... but thats not the case. whats wrong with waiting to see it before we believe it?
i'd really like to know what all is included with this $4k kit, thats pretty pricey if its only going to show 50% gains. but hey, if it lets you put down over 200whp WITH RELIABILITY, then it'd probably be worth it. and by reliability (before someone goes on that tangent), i dont mean a kit without excess engine wear - i mean a kit that isnt going to fall apart. sure ptuning may be well known in the scion community, but that DOES NOT include the xD side of things.
It's the Scion community, by far the cheapest car community out there. I've never seen so many people complain about prices so much. You've got to pay to play people.
...again, if you own a tC. just because the xD and tC both have a scion badge does not make it the same car, at all. my RAV4 has more in common with the tC than the xD.
as far as im concered, "todd @ TT" has about the same ring to it as "mike @ ptuning"... just two random people somewhere in the world typing on a keyboard. and if ptuning is such a good company, then great, i hope to see the kit as well as good numbers - they'd be the first. im not doubting they will build a kit, im just not expecting anything.
PTUNING
09-05-2009, 08:01 PM
This thread is simply used to gather real interest for a possible xD turbo kit. An xD owner approached us with a request. We basically provide our criteria for the development of the kit. If we can not gather enough interest or the criterias are more than what most owners are willing to commit, then we simply scratch the idea. No harms done.
We fully understand everyone's concerns. Everyone wants to see what the kit will produce, what it will look like, etc. before committing a deposit. This is 100% understandable. At the same time, as a company, we can not afford to invest money and time to develop a kit that may end up selling one. So, as you all can see, there is really no middle ground.
I thank everyone for your support and input. It's obvious that the current criteria are beyond what most owners are willing to commit. Therefore, we will put the project aside for now. Hopefully, we can re-visit it again in the future with more doable terms.
Regards,
Mike @ PTUNING
youngflyer
09-05-2009, 08:02 PM
Comparing Todd to ptuning is ignorent. Ptuning I'm sure is content with the market and business they have now. They are doing the community a favor by trying to expand the market support for the xd. If yall are not willing to pay, than I'm sure they are content with not building a kit. As far as there reputation goes, just read the Tc forums and you will find out that they are a top notch company dedicated to there customers.
pickledchang
09-06-2009, 02:00 AM
I thank everyone for your support and input. It's obvious that the current criteria are beyond what most owners are willing to commit. Therefore, we will put the project aside for now. Hopefully, we can re-visit it again in the future with more doable terms.
wow, that was fast... i can understand your concern for not wanting to invest in a product, times are tough. companies dont want to pay to produce a product, and customers dont want to pay for a product that is not currently produced.
Comparing Todd to ptuning is ignorent...
a fair assessment...... IF I OWNED A tC. all i did was state how they looked to at least myself - but if you'd like an 'ignorant' comparison, they are the same: neither has finalized anything for the xD. its rather amusing how butt-hurt you people get because someone doesnt bow down to a company, especially when they havent produced an ounce of product for the xD.
if nothing happens or its junk, then they belong in the same pile as dynatek and todd as far as im concerned; companies that havent done squat for the xD. im not giving anyone credit for something that shouldve/couldve/wouldve been. if they ever actually do make something, and its of quality, then sure, sign me up for your fan club.
youngflyer
09-06-2009, 03:13 AM
Owning a Tc has nothing to do with this. Ptunings customer satisfaction for any car owner is top notch. If anyone is willing and able to succeed in producing a kit it's them. If you do a little more research than you will understand.
pickledchang
09-06-2009, 03:44 AM
Owning a Tc has nothing to do with this. Ptunings customer satisfaction for any car owner is top notch. If anyone is willing and able to succeed in producing a kit it's them. If you do a little more research than you will understand.
i dont doubt they are a good company, but i dont need to research anything, they dont make squat for the xD... so it should be easy to understand that i view their customer satisfaction/products/whatever the same as any other company that hasnt made anything for the xD. i really dont know why you expect me to give them props for something they havent done. what theyve done for the tC does not concern me, why? because i dont drive a tC. they may be a great company, but what good does that do me if they dont make a product for the xD? about as much as todd, dynatek, and disney have done.
youngflyer
09-06-2009, 04:36 AM
I guess we can agree to disagree and you xd owners can whine that there is no aftermarket support and then not take the opportunity to grow your community
xD_kidd91
09-06-2009, 04:37 AM
this is kinda sad how we cant recieve nothing for the xd. at the very least all I ask for is just a header or an intake manifold would be great .. but maybe this is going to be the one scion not to keep up with the rest. im already considering to getting another car:(
youngflyer
09-06-2009, 05:26 AM
Really though it's a new car with low sales volume. How can you expect a lit of aftermarket support?
xD_kidd91
09-06-2009, 05:43 AM
if im not mistaking. xa's didnt make much sales either when they started yet greddy (or blitz or both) already where making a s/c for it. but im not trying get off topic here. point being I think we know where the xd is going to stand for the next couple of months
youngflyer
09-06-2009, 06:50 AM
the Xa also debuted when the economy wasnt like it is today.
chicotunner07
09-06-2009, 06:53 AM
if im not mistaking. xa's didnt make much sales either when they started yet greddy (or blitz or both) already where making a s/c for it. but im not trying get off topic here. point being I think we know where the xd is going to stand for the next couple of months
Because the xb/xa had already been out for a couple of years in japan, and basically, any japanese car (even minivans and trucks) get major aftermarket support, the tc has support because its a popular platform that sold extremely well!
Yet here we are, let's face it, this xd kit is not gonna happen, people are interested, and will never acctually want to spend the cash necessary for this to happen!
Nateson
09-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Heck I was interested in the kit, but not willing to bite yet. I was thinking of how I wanted accumulate the money( whether loan, 0% interest card, or just pull some of my cushion), and how long it would take to get the 10 people. I was wanting the company to sell its self some more maybe field more questions. Its been a few days and now we're on the back burner? I don't really care (to some degree) about people's opinion, because it can always be bias or they can just be repeating what they've heard. I was interested in what ideas ptuning had, and what they offer. I agree with pickledchang $2000 is alot for an investment, but sell us on the idea. Why would it be worth it? What could we expect from your company as far as standing behind your kit? Could we bring our car to you to have it tuned? Do you have certified tech that does the tuning? I hear good things about P tuning, but I'm not impressed with the fickleness. I've owned my car since March this year and so far have put $1000 dollars in it. We want products and we have money, and I preferred this car over the Tc.
xD_kidd91
09-06-2009, 03:33 PM
the Xa also debuted when the economy wasnt like it is today.
couldnt say it better myself
and chicotunner.. the scion xd has been out for abit longer in japan (toyota ist).
like I said. I know ptuning is a great company esp. for tc and xa tuners. But they want a 2k commitment for a kit that we really dont know whats to expect as a result and they hasnt made anything for our xd. Like nateson said. They are not telling us anything other then they can make a kit. Thats great and im sure they can. But w/o any expectation as to what can the kit provide us power wise, I could be spending 4k just for another 40hp gain (yeah right)
Nateson
09-06-2009, 04:28 PM
Well, no.
I expect half a bar of boost would give us half our power/64+128=192. I was wanting to know what you had in mind for our car such as air-air intercooler vs water-air, polished steel vs ceramic mani or twin scroll mani to make it more efficient ...... just elaborate what you think would be cool and what you are capable of.
YELOSUB
09-06-2009, 06:20 PM
I am one that tried to play and after 3 months I ended up with nothing but a box full of parts...Now I'm over it and have moved on to making my car stand out in other ways instead of having the turbo that I really wanted...I agree Ptuning is an awesome company but there is no way I could go through what I did not knowing what the end result was going to be...
To me, if they really wanted to produce a kit for the xD they should get (1) person to commit (like I did with TT) and build the kit off that one car...Give that (1) xD owner a smoking deal like todd was going to do for me for the use of the customer's xD...Have the customer pay for all the hard parts, meaning turbo, i/c, fuel mgt, inj, etc...PTuning would be resonsible for the R&D, mani, dp, install and everything else...
Then, once the kit is finalized and people see what they are buying they WILL COME...This is just my .02
xD_kidd91
09-06-2009, 06:33 PM
that sounds like a better idea and im sure once the first kit becomes successful then the rest will follow and purchase a kit once production begins.
pickledchang
09-07-2009, 02:33 AM
if im going to spend $2k on just a deposit for a kit, i think i'd prefer to go custom... the same route a few people have already started.
youngflyer
09-07-2009, 02:43 AM
well if you go custom...you still have not "seen" the actual kit and you still dont know the "numbers" its going to put down. So what difference would there be between a custom kit and a ptuning kit other than better fitment, more power, and a professional tune? you make no sense!
xD_kidd91
09-07-2009, 02:45 AM
I wouldnt mind doin something like a small custom turbo set up. unfortunally. I only know 25% when it comes to force induction. fuel management and whatnot
xD_kidd91
09-07-2009, 02:51 AM
if only it was straight foward like this.
http://i29.tinypic.com/5u4e8k.jpg
pickledchang
09-07-2009, 04:00 AM
well if you go custom...you still have not "seen" the actual kit and you still dont know the "numbers" its going to put down. So what difference would there be between a custom kit and a ptuning kit other than better fitment, more power, and a professional tune? you make no sense!
1. a custom kit would actually exist. all i have to do is put a super duper awesome turbonetics sticker on my bumper and im already ahead of the game.
2. ptuning just said they arent going to do one (let me guess, thats MY fault)
3. as you just stated, there is the comparison that neither custom or ptuning have shown any numbers, so im not sure how one kit is better than the other when neither exist (correction: untouchable has already accomplished a custom setup, no matter how 'sketchy' you think it is, its safe to say hes gotten further than any of these never-produced kits)
4. better fitment? more power? show me the numbers that say that (oh wait, they dont exist)
5. cost about $1500 less
6. composed of components that i want, not what they sell
7. any criticism of a ptuning kit would be overrun with ptuning-fan bashing, even if constructive.
8. i can do what i want, and there is nothing you can do about it no matter how far it keeps your head from the pillow.
9. some people like the challenge of doing something on their own instead of being handed everything, a tragic and rapidly expanding train of thought today.
10. its unique
11. thought you agreed to disagree, so um, you make no sense either.
youngflyer
09-07-2009, 04:47 AM
1. a custom kit would actually exist. all i have to do is put a super duper awesome turbonetics sticker on my bumper and im already ahead of the game.
2. ptuning just said they arent going to do one (let me guess, thats MY fault)
3. as you just stated, there is the comparison that neither custom or ptuning have shown any numbers, so im not sure how one kit is better than the other when neither exist (correction: untouchable has already accomplished a custom setup, no matter how 'sketchy' you think it is, its safe to say hes gotten further than any of these never-produced kits)
4. better fitment? more power? show me the numbers that say that (oh wait, they dont exist)
5. cost about $1500 less
6. composed of components that i want, not what they sell
7. any criticism of a ptuning kit would be overrun with ptuning-fan bashing, even if constructive.
8. i can do what i want, and there is nothing you can do about it no matter how far it keeps your head from the pillow.
9. some people like the challenge of doing something on their own instead of being handed everything, a tragic and rapidly expanding train of thought today.
10. its unique
11. thought you agreed to disagree, so um, you make no sense either.
Performance Solutions Spec Garrett Turbo (GT2730), intercooler, turbo manifold, intercooler piping, down pipe, waste gate, oil feed line, cat delete, jic magic titanium exhaust x2 (dual custom titanium exhaust relocated to center), intake filter, battery relocation kit; GReddy B.O.V; DTm custom Painted Engine cover, SUN Automobile hyper grounding kit, voltage kit, inazma eco kit, gauss kit; NRG hyper Pocket kit, ground support kit; hKS oil cap
it sounds pretty straight foward. correct me if im wrong i dont know much when it comes to making a kit.. just need a custom mani "logstyle" like castrex's and the rest should be available
youngflyer
09-07-2009, 05:41 AM
also need intercooler piping and down pipe fabricated
YELOSUB
09-07-2009, 05:43 AM
Just to think, I was almost there...:mad:
xD_kidd91
09-07-2009, 05:52 AM
also need intercooler piping and down pipe fabricated
yea i already saw that coming but not hard to obtain so i didnt mention it. and yelosub, im sure if you took it to a decent shop they could of finished the job.
YELOSUB
09-07-2009, 06:00 AM
yea i already saw that coming but not hard to obtain so i didnt mention it. and yelosub, im sure if you took it to a decent shop they could of finished the job.
Probably, but i'm past that point now and have gone another direction with my car, i.e. I bought new rims, interior, and other stuff with the money made from some of the things I sold from my project...Yes I still have the turbo, intercooler, injectors, and blow off valve so i could do it but I have made plans with someone to do some things to my car in exchange for this stuff...I sold everything else...Who knows, maybe later on down the road when someone actually FINISHES a fully tuned turbo'd xD then I might reconsider...I think tuning is going to be the big issue for our cars...
xD_kidd91
09-07-2009, 06:16 AM
yea ima step aside till there is more people who would want to contribute. just gonna get a nice set of wheels and play the waiting game.
MrC_Ptuning
09-07-2009, 04:59 PM
I am one that tried to play and after 3 months I ended up with nothing but a box full of parts...Now I'm over it and have moved on to making my car stand out in other ways instead of having the turbo that I really wanted...I agree Ptuning is an awesome company but there is no way I could go through what I did not knowing what the end result was going to be...
To me, if they really wanted to produce a kit for the xD they should get (1) person to commit (like I did with TT) and build the kit off that one car...Give that (1) xD owner a smoking deal like todd was going to do for me for the use of the customer's xD...Have the customer pay for all the hard parts, meaning turbo, i/c, fuel mgt, inj, etc...PTuning would be resonsible for the R&D, mani, dp, install and everything else...
Then, once the kit is finalized and people see what they are buying they WILL COME...This is just my .02
We're sorry to hear about what you had to go through to build a turbo kit for your xD, but keep in mind that just because another shop failed at producing a working turbo kit for your car, does not mean that no one else can do it properly. We don't take on projects that we feel we cannot complete. Building a turbo kit that "fit" is a lot different than building a turbo kit that "works". Keep in mind that as a production turbo kit, the fit, finish, ease of installation, and tune are often overloooked. These criteria are just as important if not more than just something that "fits" or looks nice.
A lot of R&D went into building the our turbo kit for the Scion tC. From prototyping to track testing to CAD design, to dyno tuning, to production. No company or person will invest the amount of time and money that we did if they were building you just a one-off custom turbo kit.
Making hp is not the problem. We can make all the power you want and be able to tune it for you to make that power gain a reality. The question is can your stock motor, your clutch, your tranny, your axle and everything else handle the added power. With this in mind we would try to design something with some significant power gains but without sacrificing reality.
Here's some pictures of the prototype ptuning spec-ss turbo kit and CAD drawings of some of the parts before it went into production. The last dozen pictures or so are of the production pieces included in the production turbo kit.
Hope you were not thinking I was bashing your company...If you read my post, I said that ptuning is an awesome company...I feel your company has the means to produce this kit and trust me it would be awesome...Just saying after what i went through personally, I would unfortunately not be able to take that journey...
Just knowing how most people are, the nature of human beings I guess, we like to see things before we spend a good chunk of change...That's why i was only suggesting take one serious xD owner who has the money in hand, use that persons xD for R&D, and produce a kit to mass produce for the rest of the people...People will see the kit, hear and see the review from the happy turbo xD owner, and then they would be more than happy to spend their hard earned money...
Personally I feel that 200hp would be perfect and a safe level that our little xD's could handle before stuff starts breaking...Again, that is just my .02...
Thanks for even considering doing something for the xD community...
Tim
MrC_Ptuning
09-07-2009, 06:34 PM
MrC
Hope you were not thinking I was bashing your company...If you read my post, I said that ptuning is an awesome company...I feel your company has the means to produce this kit and trust me it would be awesome...Just saying after what i went through personally, I would unfortunately not be able to take that journey...
Just knowing how most people are, the nature of human beings I guess, we like to see things before we spend a good chunk of change...That's why i was only suggesting take one serious xD owner who has the money in hand, use that persons xD for R&D, and produce a kit to mass produce for the rest of the people...People will see the kit, hear and see the review from the happy turbo xD owner, and then they would be more than happy to spend their hard earned money...
Personally I feel that 200hp would be perfect and a safe level that our little xD's could handle before stuff starts breaking...Again, that is just my .02...
Thanks for even considering doing sometihng for the xD community...
Tim
Tim,
By no means did we feel that you were bashing us in anyway. I understand your frustration--trust me your not the only person that went through such an ordeal with getting a turbo kit produce. We would like to come out with a kit for the XD as much as the OP. But to be realistic, to produce a production quality kit would require a sizable investment on our part, which we would be willing to pursue, knowing that once the kit is produced, we would be able to sell enough kits to be able to amortize the initial R&D cost to keep the final pricing of the production kit within reach of most consumers.
The only way to keep prices down is to produce things in quantity and potentially selling only one kit is not quantity. I hope you and everyone else understand why we need a commitment from more than one person to make this kit a reality.
MrC
xD_kidd91
09-07-2009, 06:36 PM
i can tell you put quality into your work but i agree with yelosub. make one xd turbo kit. and once they see the success. the rest are willing to purchase one themselves.
YELOSUB
09-07-2009, 07:23 PM
MrC,
Ok cool, glad you see where I was coming from as I too see where you and the company are coming from...I totally understand it would be a gamble...But I was just going on the old saying, "Build it, they will come!"
ptuning, those are nice pics of nice work. unfortunately, this thread is nearly identical to the dead end dynatek, TT, projector headlight, led taillight, and probably the weapon-r header thread. and for that reason, its going to be difficult to convince people to invest $2000 into another potential product, despite that it would likely be of excellent quality.
MrC,
Ok cool, glad you see where I was coming from as I too see where you and the company are coming from...I totally understand it would be a gamble...But I was just going on the old saying, "Build it, they will come!"
glad to see that im not the only one who understands traditional entrepreneurship, lol.
MrC_Ptuning
09-07-2009, 08:04 PM
glad to see that im not the only one who understands traditional entrepreneurship, lol.
Traditional entrepreneurship, LOL. I wish things were that easy. Maybe two years ago, but try going to a bank to get funding for a product that you have no idea will sell or not. Even if you have commitment up front, no bank is going to give you the time of day in this current economy.
We don't mind taking chances if the customer is willing to take a chance with us, but to go and do it with out knowing if the product will sell up front is a gamble that most companies including ourselves cannot afford to take at this time. It's not like building a $100 strut tie bar and sitting on a few dozen parts if it doesn't sell, we're talking about a turbo kit here.
BTW, thank you for everyone's input, support and concern. Let us know when there is a "real" demand for a xD turbokit and we can go from there.
MrC
pickledchang
09-07-2009, 08:44 PM
i hear ya, and two years ago it wouldve probably been a lot easier to get a significant deposit out of potential customers. neither the company or customer can really afford to take chances until things get better... i remember a few years ago, companies would announce all new turbo kits for sale, without asking for any deposits or commitment.
youngflyer
09-07-2009, 08:55 PM
the only one taking the chance here is ptuning. The customer is going to get an amazing kit, its just how many of them can they sell. I just dont think the market is large enough for it right now which is a shame for the owners who would commit!
MrC_Ptuning
09-07-2009, 09:15 PM
the only one taking the chance here is ptuning. The customer is going to get an amazing kit, its just how many of them can they sell. I just dont think the market is large enough for it right now which is a shame for the owners who would commit!
You're right on. When there's a real demand, there will be supply. Until then, those one or two people who are willing to commit will either have to wait or spend the extra to have a one-off custom setup built.
MrC
YELOSUB
09-07-2009, 10:10 PM
You're right on. When there's a real demand, there will be supply. Until then, those one or two people who are willing to commit will either have to wait or spend the extra to have a one-off custom setup built.
MrC
Unfortunate but true...Hopefully it will eventually pan out...I would personally love to see a ptuning turbo kit for the xD in the future...
xD_kidd91
09-08-2009, 12:56 AM
mrC,
why dont you consider making us just headers and downpipe for now? Im sure a good amount would be interested and budget wise.
cobaltbravo
09-08-2009, 01:31 AM
when 9 other people are ready to step up and throw in on this, let me know. i want a quality turbo kit, i have 2k in the bank, i have a buddy willing to loan me a car for a month and i live about 3 hours east of PTuning. I would of said so sooner, but was making sure i had the money to spend and a car to drive for the R&d time. PTuning, thank you for being willing to make a kit for us, sorry for the negative reception here at SL.
xD_kidd91
09-08-2009, 03:49 AM
I dont really mind force induction but headers and downpipe and im satified and im sure ppl will give into this
youngflyer
09-08-2009, 08:30 PM
I dont really mind force induction but headers and downpipe and im satified and im sure ppl will give into this
dont waste your money, headers give you very little gain and sound terrible.
xD_kidd91
09-09-2009, 04:11 AM
i think with those 2 parts is another 10-20hp
TheQuietThings
09-09-2009, 04:28 AM
i think with those 2 parts is another 10-20hp
maybe on a V6 or V8 this is true. surely not true with a 1.8L motor.
xD_kidd91
09-09-2009, 04:39 AM
ok well ii tried. im goin just for looks now.
sv650m
09-09-2009, 02:44 PM
maybe on a V6 or V8 this is true. surely not true with a 1.8L motor.
I got +7 whp from a header on a 1.2L.
I never had it dynoed but I put a header on my 1.5L civic, and after that I picked up a couple tenths of a second at the strip. I know there other factors but I raced a lot before and after the header and the time gains were pretty consistent.
xD_kidd91
09-09-2009, 03:41 PM
actually yea that seems accurate. well I still think it wld make atleast 10hp. Im pretty sure we can compare to how much the corolla or matrix's ( na 1.8L engines)aftermarket headers and or downpipe would make. if not then xa and 1st gen xb.
youngflyer
09-10-2009, 06:04 AM
um let me know if you can actually feel "10" horsepower....25 yes but ten is so minuscule, cutting weight of the car and your body would be more beneficial. And again listen to 4cyl motors with a header, the sound is disgusting!
sv650m
09-10-2009, 02:09 PM
Ya and a header could be 10 hp closer to that 25 that you can actually feel. I would expect most people that are going to by a header will have the rest of the exhaust done, and an intake system, and whatever parts we might get in the future like an intake manifold or something. And hopefully the aftermarket header would be lighter so you can lose a little weight there too. Dont know about all cars, but my Civic sounded the same with an aftermarket header, it was all about the muffler.
xD_kidd91
09-10-2009, 03:43 PM
um let me know if you can actually feel "10" horsepower....25 yes but ten is so minuscule, cutting weight of the car and your body would be more beneficial. And again listen to 4cyl motors with a header, the sound is disgusting!
even just swapping out the filter box for a cone for abit of gain feels a differenc. and all parts would accumulate. (cai,headers,downpipe,exhaust,pulley) and I have heard, but theres not much of a distinction to tell a diff. esp. if you have a full exhaust sytem.
youngflyer
09-10-2009, 06:08 PM
If the motor is built anything like the 2az which I guessing it is, you will see very minimal gains from bolt ons. And if a header only makes thes exhaust sound like ____ than what's the point?
xD_kidd91
09-11-2009, 01:28 AM
If the motor is built anything like the 2az which I guessing it is, you will see very minimal gains from bolt ons. And if a header only makes thes exhaust sound like ____ than what's the point?
its not that similar to the 2az but yea diff. opinions. and the point is that minimal gains are better then nothing. Its like why do you have a name brand exhaust if your only gonna make min. hp gain? If noise is all your after. then get one off of ebay for 50bucks lol
chicotunner07
09-11-2009, 12:31 PM
i think a header might help more then everyone thinks! i dont know squat about the xD motor, but i know its Dual VVT-i and 1.8L, it really depends on how restrictive the factory units are!
also, what do you guys redline at?
xD_kidd91
09-11-2009, 03:38 PM
thank you. Im pretty sure it would make a decent gain. and we also redline at 6.2k
misformartin
09-11-2009, 09:18 PM
good question i think its at like 6.5 or 7k.. but i noticed a big difference in power switching to a 2 1/5 inch pipe..... and noticed even more when i went back to stock and put on the dc sports exhaust...
rude_xD
09-12-2009, 12:04 AM
i think its obvious that xD owners are interested however i know that even if i had all 5 grand in cash for a full turbo kit now i wouldn't put any money into a product thats not out yet. i agree completely with yelosub. it takes one person to commit and if the product they produce is worth buying then all interested xD owners will put forth the money. its not like we would have any other choice since no other companys make one.
i wont hold my breath tho i mean the cars in its 3rd year and still no headers who knows how long itll be before any other companies make production turbo kits.
youngflyer
09-12-2009, 08:13 AM
i think its obvious that xD owners are interested however i know that even if i had all 5 grand in cash for a full turbo kit now i wouldn't put any money into a product thats not out yet. i agree completely with yelosub. it takes one person to commit and if the product they produce is worth buying then all interested xD owners will put forth the money. its not like we would have any other choice since no other companys make one.
i wont hold my breath tho i mean the cars in its 3rd year and still no headers who knows how long itll be before any other companies make production turbo kits.
i dont think there is enough xd owners interested honestly. If there was enough interest, the ball would have already started to roll. honestly the scion community are not high rollers and thats what it comes down to. There is no doubt the few who are interested would get a great kit, but there is only a handful waiting to take the plunge!
WellesleyScion
09-14-2009, 03:06 PM
Youngflyer, your not an xD owner, you dont know our car or engines capabilities, and your bashing xD owners cause we are cautious.... how did you even come across this thread, and why are you posting in it?
youngflyer
09-14-2009, 06:55 PM
Youngflyer, your not an xD owner, you dont know our car or engines capabilities, and your bashing xD owners cause we are cautious.... how did you even come across this thread, and why are you posting in it?
im not bashing owners i was just saying that there is not enough interest and if there was, it would be rolling already. i think its safe to say, no one quite knows the potential of the Xd yet seeing as how no one has really pushed it to its limits. however other than the dual vvti, i presume the motor is built much like the 2az.
WellesleyScion
09-14-2009, 08:54 PM
Well if you researched a bit, as you told someone else in this thread that they should, you would see that the motor is not built similarly and an intake manifold, header, and exhaust produces almost 30hp on our cars... but unfortunately you wouldnt know that cause you dont own an xD, nor care to modify one... so again why are you in this thread?
you xd owners can whine that there is no aftermarket support and then not take the opportunity to grow your community
^^^Sounds like bashing BTW...
CarbonXe
09-14-2009, 09:11 PM
^^^Sounds like bashing BTW...
Bashing or not, he's right. To recap this thread
xD owners : We want performance parts
Performance company : We need a deposit to ensure interest
xD owners : Too much money, go away
xD owners : We want performance parts
Nateson
09-15-2009, 07:38 AM
^^ We never told them to go away, or that it was too expensive. We are just trying to get a good idea of what they have to offer. I've heard of Jackson Racing for Honda and I've heard of Jim Wolf for Nissan. If you set aside that most of us are not that familiar with this company, you still have the issue of setting aside $2000 for something not realized. This kit would be beneficial to both parties, this would be the first and only kit available for the XD, people are going to buy it if they want to be turbo charged. It would be the first kit for the new motor (2zr-fe) that's in the XD, Corolla, Matrix, and Vibe. The only variant would be piping. I don't doubt that sooner or later there will be a kit for this application, this car and motor are both still very young.
As for those that don't have this car and/or have nothing intuitive to say, please quit posting and find a hobby. Go out in public a seek attention, post somewhere else, whatever you need to do to get by. Just don't sit there and try to be the minister of hate and discontent. It would be nice if this thread was just short and informative.
CarbonXe
09-15-2009, 02:02 PM
Maybe you didn't say it was too expensive, but a couple people in here have said that $4k is way too much for a turbo kit, regardless of how reliable/efficient it will be.
As for PTuning, go venture over the tC boards for a second and you'll see threads flooded with things about them.
http://ptuningscion.com/
rosedaleny806
09-15-2009, 02:53 PM
this thread is so stupid, and this is why aftermarket companies prefered making things for the fit then the xd. its sad too bc i want an xd.
pickledchang
09-16-2009, 01:58 AM
Maybe you didn't say it was too expensive, but a couple people in here have said that $4k is way too much for a turbo kit, regardless of how reliable/efficient it will be.
As for PTuning, go venture over the tC boards for a second and you'll see threads flooded with things about them.
http://ptuningscion.com/
what was stated was that $4k would be a lot of money if the gains are minimal... and there is nothing to show for gains because nothing has been built yet. its not a matter of quality so much as it is committing to something where the gains are unknown. if we drop $2k each to develop a kit, and the gains are only 50hp for whatever reason, welp, were SOL.
and who was that other company with a tC turbo kit that went under and took everyones money after they had paid...
xD_kidd91
09-16-2009, 03:17 AM
this thread is so stupid, and this is why aftermarket companies prefered making things for the fit then the xd.
the fit aka the jazz has been atleast 1 step higher then the xd aka toyota ist. before it even made it to america. honda has been having aftermarket support since the beginning . hasport ,skunk ,hondata. list goes on and on.
chicotunner07
09-16-2009, 04:08 AM
has anyone reasearched to see if the JDM ist has any turbo support in japan? might help you guys find out how much power a bolt on kit can produce, or research any turbo kits for your particular engine anywhere in the world, just sayin
i think tuning will be the biggest issue here, with the tc ecu it took a while for a good form of tuning to come by...
mospeedtc
09-16-2009, 01:08 PM
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and who was that other company with a tC turbo kit that went under and took everyones money after they had paid...
It wasnt a company (turbo toyotas right?) ... just a guy in his garage trying to make kits on order then got over his head and went down. Ptuning is a ACTUAL company with a facility and full crew. I would never put them in even the
category..... I know im not a XD owner just giving my 2cents. :icon_smile:
CASTREX
09-16-2009, 06:03 PM
has anyone reasearched to see if the JDM ist has any turbo support in japan? might help you guys find out how much power a bolt on kit can produce, or research any turbo kits for your particular engine anywhere in the world, just sayin
i think tuning will be the biggest issue here, with the tc ecu it took a while for a good form of tuning to come by...
The JDM IST comes with the 1NZ-FE engine.
Zefoxe
09-16-2009, 06:11 PM
lol i knew i ignored this thread for a reason.
some of u tC guys are funny. I guess I should go about making assumptions "like you guys had your mommies and daddies pay for ur car so I'm sure u all have 4g sitting around in ur bank accounts." annoying right?
xD has no support because unlike the fit/civic, they did not have companies producing parts before it was even released. the civic si had a turbo kit already when it was relased here. our motor in japan is sold as an automatic for the most part which kills any interest in their tuning shops. Japan is not the solution cause otherwise it would be the case with the fit/civic having parts already available. Europe is not a solution because several countries have very strict emissions including aftermarket parts. Results for this engine and model rely on us
I already offered a possible solution for the down payment but it fell on deaf ears. I think the best solution at this point for both parties (PTuning and xD owners) would be to start developing cheaper parts such as the proposed intake manifold and headers from dynatek to build trust amongst the 2 parties and go from there. Just my opinion but it will probably fall on deaf ears again :P
ToyotaTech422
09-16-2009, 06:33 PM
Well I have offered up my xD for the RandD, its in PTunings and the xD owners hands at this point. Lets go guys, this is a great company and you know they will come through. Almost every xD owner on here would love a kit for thier car.
misformartin
09-16-2009, 10:03 PM
actually the jdm ist comes in 2 models ncp110 wich is the awd model 1.5 liter and the zsp110 which is the 1.8 fwd model... ive done tons of research and blitz supposodly has a kit for the 1.5 but im assuming its just a modified xb/xa kit.... the jdm market is slowly making parts... the fact that we are in a recession and the jdm ist came out almost a year after it was released in the us.... i really wish i could get my hands on a 1.3 diesel motor out of the xd in europe : (
the xd motor has been turbo'd in puerto rico guy was seeing 220 whp but blew the motor due to insufficient engine management... so the motor can def be a beast....
misformartin
09-16-2009, 10:07 PM
Well I have offered up my xD for the RandD, its in PTunings and the xD owners hands at this point. Lets go guys, this is a great company and you know they will come through. Almost every xD owner on here would love a kit for thier car.
only problem is its like going on a blind date... the fact that we cannot see or have proof of solid numbers is kinda a killjoy..... i mean if they did a prototype kit and went from there after they set a price and had it tuned and gave number im sure there would be more interest... cost isnt really and issue here the hardest part will be making a solid manifold and then engine management....
ToyotaTech422
09-16-2009, 11:14 PM
Yea It is like a blind date, but I know it will be worth it. Face it, our car is a slow eco-box. This vehicle needs something big like a turbo kit to give it some go. It would be nice to "keep up" with some of the other stock vehicles on the road. Ex. civic si, etc.
CarbonXe
09-16-2009, 11:56 PM
If you want numbers, do the math. Map out a turbo, calculate the CFMs for a given boost level, calculate the necessary fuel and you'll get your numbers. The formulas are out there.
If I had to take a wild guess at the output, I'd expect to see 170-200whp with a reliable setup. ~185whp in something that's only about 2600lbs is pretty beast. That's into 350z, S2000, and MS3 range.
ToyotaTech422
09-17-2009, 01:58 AM
I would not mind having a car that could keep up with stock 350zs and s2000s. Beast is about right for a car this weight. I mean stock this car prolly has 105ish wheel hp, so bumping it to aorund 175-185 would be amazing.
YELOSUB
09-17-2009, 06:03 AM
Well I have offered up my xD for the RandD, its in PTunings and the xD owners hands at this point. Lets go guys, this is a great company and you know they will come through. Almost every xD owner on here would love a kit for thier car.
I tried once for the benefit of xD owners and failed...I already offered my car for R&D (Not Ptuning) and was out my car for 3 months...What I got back was an unfinished project and a box full of parts...Not saying PTuning would do this but I for one am not in the position to be able to this again...Someone else needs to step up and bite the bullet so that we (xD) owners can finally get what we deserve...I truly think that with the right turbo AND tuning, our cars could come close to that 200 whp mark and safely run it without any further mods...
youngflyer
09-17-2009, 06:09 AM
i guess what im just upset about is that there is a great opportunity to further the xd community which is what yall are asking for yet, no one wants to stup up to the plate to do so. I may not have an XD but i would love to see an XD turbo or even smash a Tc
ToyotaTech422
09-17-2009, 05:45 PM
I tried once for the benefit of xD owners and failed...I already offered my car for R&D (Not Ptuning) and was out my car for 3 months...What I got back was an unfinished project and a box full of parts...Not saying PTuning would do this but I for one am not in the position to be able to this again...Someone else needs to step up and bite the bullet so that we (xD) owners can finally get what we deserve...I truly think that with the right turbo AND tuning, our cars could come close to that 200 whp mark and safely run it without any further mods...
I am more than willing to step up and offer my xD for this project. I emailed PTuning yesterday, so its up to them and the xD owners now. I have a winter beater so its not a big deal to give up my ride for a while. Lets see how far this goes. But I know PTuning will have nothing to do with my xD until they get some other owners to show full interest and eventual purchase.
xD_kidd91
09-17-2009, 06:20 PM
well there were me and another who been volunteering but yea nothing is gonna get accomplished till 10 ppl are in.
YELOSUB
09-17-2009, 07:20 PM
well there were me and another who been volunteering but yea nothing is gonna get accomplished till 10 ppl are in.
Yep, and there lies the problem...Unfortunately were not gonna get 10 people willing to commit so were kinda SOL...Really sucks they can't lower that number a bit and build the kit...I know once they build their kit, which I know will be top notch, people will buy it...
But for now, xD owners sit and wait...
xD_kidd91
09-17-2009, 08:31 PM
oo well more time to save up.
DRACHENV6
09-22-2009, 05:39 PM
nooooo!! 2zr-fe...
:(
How about developing a kit that is compatible with the xb, 10th gen corolla, and ts? Maybe then, obtaining the 10x2k deposits might be possible. There is alot of room in the corolla engine bay at least.
xD_kidd91
09-22-2009, 08:25 PM
nooooo!! 2zr-fe...
:(
How about developing a kit that is compatible with the xb, 10th gen corolla, and ts? Maybe then, obtaining the 10x2k deposits might be possible. There is alot of room in the corolla engine bay at least.
if only it was that easy. but im giving it one more yr till something comes up. If not come up with a new mini project. If I play my cards right. maybe a 2zz swap lol
vettereddie
09-22-2009, 08:51 PM
Just to chime in, looks like PTuning was looking to set this up as a Production run, i.e. jig the manifold and piping for multiple copies. It will certainly cost more, but if you have the $$ and time to leave your car you might convince them to do a prototype or one-off. There's significantly less R&D needed to only do on-vehicle fitment when reproduceability isn't a factor. Of course, you'd need to leave an xD there for a significant period of time and I'm not sure they'd be willing to take on this project for just a single customer.
xD_kidd91
09-23-2009, 04:36 AM
I think this topic is dead now. just wait out till jan nd see where ppl stand
DRACHENV6
09-23-2009, 03:57 PM
I think 2zr owners would be less apprehensive of a 2k commitment if there a guarantee (commitment) from PT as well. I.E. Turnaround time, quality/brand of components, minimum power expectations, and proven reliability. I dont think its fair to put all the risk on the company or enthusiasts. 50/50
It's a shame that this fell apart like it did
youngflyer
09-24-2009, 12:05 AM
There will be only quality parts used and fitment will be spot on but I see your point about turnaround time and numbers
vettereddie
09-24-2009, 02:34 PM
I think 2zr owners would be less apprehensive of a 2k commitment if there a guarantee (commitment) from PT as well. I.E. Turnaround time, quality/brand of components, minimum power expectations, and proven reliability. I dont think its fair to put all the risk on the company or enthusiasts. 50/50
It's a shame that this fell apart like it did
Pretty sure a $2k deposit is under 50/50 for the enthusiast. The full turbo, if anything like the (numerous) tC kits, I would guess would be $4k. Schedule would be nice from them, of course they can't really do that until they have 10 ppl sign to even have a start date. PTuning could give a level of effort, i.e. 3, 4 or 6 months from start a kit should be ready. Milestones and labor hours should be pretty easy to determine since they just went through the process on the tC.
Reliability, how do you even plan that before the kit is built and tested? You're turboing a car that was not built for it, expect to do maintenance at some point sooner than stock, just part of going turbo.
For components, look at the tC kit. Chances are there will be a lot of similarities, like a Garrett turbo, Tial BOV, AEM F/IC, t-bolt clamps, and deatschworks injectors. The difficulty I see for them is getting an xD pnp harness made, right now Boomslang, nor anyone else to my knowledge, makes a PnP harness for the xD and I'm pretty sure PTuning doesn't do them in-house.
Finally, power is all based on the tune and boost controller. The same tC turbo kit can put out 240 or 350 HP depending on supporting mods and tune. Really, just pick a (reasonable) number and injectors can be sized to get there. 180+ shouldn't be unreasonable to expect on a kit like this, the Greddy for the 1NZ could even make that if the motor could take it (do not attempt w/out a rod swap).
Good luck to the xD owners. Unfortunately, Scion is enthuesiest driven so if there isn't a market parts won't appear on their own. The tC is still gobbling up most of the R&D for performance parts since it's the most widely raced, we got lucky w/ the old xB in that kits were already out in Japan. Maybe troll the Matrix forums, the current one has the 2ZR-FE as well.
XD40tC
09-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Good luck to you XD'ers. Almost bought one myself but I decided to stick with the 2azfe as I knew it was the most mod worthy from the lineup.
As for those seriously interested, I suggest you stick with it and go to Ptuning for some sweet one-off kits!
When I have enough money I will be having them fit their tC kit to my xB. Either that or the Descendant kit but Id rather show my support to a company Ive known and trusted for the past 4 years. They havent worked on any of my cars before but I used to live 10 minutes from their shop(s) and was in SE of NoVA and a lot of my friends had awesome work done there. Their reputation is solid fo sho!
Prototype_xB
10-19-2009, 08:38 AM
are you serious, its ptuning, if they gather enough potential customers and get what they need to get the ball rolling, they will! there not todd from turbo toyotas, ptuning is a very professional company!
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