I was looking for specifics about the liscence plate laws in California, and came across this online petition to get rid of our front liscence plate. Petitions such as this has been successful in other states, and I urge everyone to please sign the petition at the following link...

CA petition http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition-sign.html?

Jersey Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/njplate/petition-sign.html?

MD petition http://www.petitiononline.com/mdplate/petition.html

I know everyone hates the front plate, instead of complaining about it, lets do something about it!!!

Thank you,

John

Yeah I signed one like this for MD. :pray: I came from DE where you don't need them. Front license plates suck.

everyone no matter where you live, please sign it!!! Together we can change this!

Thanks,

John

What's wrong with a front license plate?

I think it makes the car look bad. But thats just my opinion,

John

I signed it........I'll sign anything. :silly:

great, thanks for your support

John

i found one for new jersey
http://www.petitiononline.com/njplate/petition-sign.html?

yeah, if anyone finds any others for their state, just post it on here so everyone can pitch in and help.

p.s. I just signed it by the way

John

Do they really care about this law? My mom has been driving around without the front plate for years, and I see cars without them all the time.

signed both for ya buddy.

i live in florida and florida doesn't require the front license plate. :P

IWantAtC, i started a different post regarding this question, and i guess that they actually do care about it. I was told that people have been pulled over specifically for it, pulled over for speeding and then cited for it, etc. Maybe the reason that you mom hasn't been pulled over is that she doesn't draw attention to herself while driving, or maybe she's been lucky. Who knows, i just want to get of it so i dont even have to worry about it.


jlaznlover, damn you!! You are a lucky bast**d to not have to have front plates. :P Thanks for signing the petition thought.

John

As much as I agree that the front plate doesn't fit the style of most cars, I think its value is far more important than its look. Good luck on trying to overturn the system.

As much as I agree that the front plate doesn't fit the style of most cars, I think its value is far more important than its look. Good luck on trying to overturn the system.

Just wondering, what value does it serve, we already have one in the back, why do we need 2?

John

IMO, online petitions are a joke. There's no validity, the fact that you signed the NJ one just reinforces this.

They won't get rid of the front plates because of the reason they require them - REVENUE. Do a little research into camera enforcement programs and you'll see the rea$on$ why we'll retain them... Sorry to be a wet blanket, and again, it's JMO...

Kinda wondering about the value myself.

Anyway, here's the petition for MD:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mdplate/petition.html

And one to stop Ashlee Simpson :rofl:
http://www.petitiononline.com/StopAsh/petition.html

great! i should get another bike! 1 rear license plate only woooot wooot! :rofl:

front license plate looks tacky :loser: just my humble opinion...

Here's some good insight into one aspect of the scam:

http://ticketassassin.com/autoenf.html

I'll add marylands petition and sign it, but Im not so sure about the ashley simpson petition though. As long as there are pre-teen girls alive, geffen records is going to keep ashley "singing" to rake in all of their dough.

John

those petitions are only petitions. i doubt it will actually get the CA law changed.

A petition is where the law making process starts, take a look at this link...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=the+lantern+front+license+plates, and click on the first one on the list (for whatever reason, i cant direct link to it)

It started as a petition in Ohio, now look at it its on the state house's bill, and if this bill passes, all cars in ohio will no longer require front plates.

Check it out,

John

I'm signing it. Also, does anyone know of "plugs" or something you can use to cover the holes. Unfortunately, my dealership REFUSED to NOT drill the holes, as it was a part of the delivery checklist, so I have a tacky plate on the front. Help!

I'm signing it. Also, does anyone know of "plugs" or something you can use to cover the holes. Unfortunately, my dealership REFUSED to NOT drill the holes, as it was a part of the delivery checklist, so I have a tacky plate on the front. Help!

same thing happened to me, the best i could find is this..www.bumperplugs.com

Hope this helps,

John

I signed the one for Jerz, never know. Even though I'm planning on moving to NC where only a rear plate is required.

Thanks for signing anyways.

John

same thing happened to me, the best i could find is this..www.bumperplugs.com




Thanks. I'll check it out.

Here's some good insight into one aspect of the scam:

http://ticketassassin.com/autoenf.html

hmmm..

So it helps identify those who are breaking the law and endangering others so they can be caught and disciplined? How's that a scam?

Rich people only have to pay the fine if they run a red light, right? You break the rules, you pay for the chief's new shoes. no big deal.

I do wonder why they wouldn't put them in the more accident prone places though. Seems like it'd be nice to get a snap shot of the accident as it happens.

yeah its not like you have a choice anyways, they use fat like 7/16's sheet metel screws to decimate your front bumper, like thats really necessary !! just so teh dealer can get a bit more advertising.
i doubt california has time to deal with such petty things right now, maybe one of those smaller towns you guys live in where there isnt much else to debate, but california has too much crap to deal with for them to pay attention to a few signatures

They won't get rid of the front plates because of the reason they require them - REVENUE. Do a little research into camera enforcement programs and you'll see the rea$on$ why we'll retain them... Sorry to be a wet blanket, and again, it's JMO...


in alot of states it's been ruled a violation of privacy for a red light or speeding camera to take a pic of the front of the car (because you can see the driver's face), so the cameras are set up to take shots of the back plate exclusively.

but that said, online petitions are kinda worthless, theyre way too easy to falsify to carry any weight.

yeah its not like you have a choice anyways, they use fat like 7/16's sheet metel screws to decimate your front bumper, like thats really necessary !! just so teh dealer can get a bit more advertising.
i doubt california has time to deal with such petty things right now, maybe one of those smaller towns you guys live in where there isnt much else to debate, but california has too much crap to deal with for them to pay attention to a few signatures

What crap are we dealing with that you are referring to? As far as i know there arn't any pressing state issues that are being dealt with at the moment.

John

I just signed it...I guess front license plates are good if you're getting chased backwards??? Ha Ha!

Can't stand front license plates - I have never used them and most likely never will.

Thanks for your signature.

John

Here's some good insight into one aspect of the scam:

http://ticketassassin.com/autoenf.html

hmmm..

So it helps identify those who are breaking the law and endangering others so they can be caught and disciplined? How's that a scam?

Rich people only have to pay the fine if they run a red light, right? You break the rules, you pay for the chief's new shoes. no big deal.

I do wonder why they wouldn't put them in the more accident prone places though. Seems like it'd be nice to get a snap shot of the accident as it happens.

It's not about the rich or the poor, it's about honest citizens getting shafted while dishonesty pays off...

The main reason for a front plate is photo enforcement. It is a scam because they potray the system as a "safety" measure when it is usually motivated by revenue. Studies have shown that for "safety", lengthening the yellow by a second or two will create a much safer intersection than camera enforcement. Also, camera enforcement is applied individually and doesn't carry the same deterrent effect as having a few hundred drivers roll past the cop and his victim. There's a flash, 2-3 months later you get a ticket in the mail? They don't even put signs at the enforced intersections anymore, the law states they only have to mark all entrances to the city. One of the two companies that set SF up wasn't making enough money so they quit. In order for the other company to stay afloat and to keep the city's new revenue stream that they invested in, the legislature tripled the price of an infraction.

So, does it sound like a safety program or a revenue program?

^^^^exactly, its all about the revenue, it has nothing to do with safety.

John

As far as i know there arn't any pressing state issues that are being dealt with at the moment.


its all about the revenue,

Revenue is the one pressing issue...

Besides tuners and such, the majority of people out there could probably care less about this matter...

I don't like the front plate either and with my new grills can't run my custom bracket, so I'm currently rolling without one...Keep your fingers crossed for me... I've also got smoked tails, 3rd brake overlay, a little underbody and LEDs inside plus i can't drive 55... I'm a ticket just waitin' to happen... (j/k, Gods of Irony, knocking on wood, etc.)

wheres the one for WA state? o_0 :P

sorry to burst your bubbles.. its not gonna work... i sign that petition 2 yrs ago....
and guess wut?.... they still didnt pass it...

online petitions.. haha =)
You wish.

honestly, i don't mind having a front license plate. it doesn't bother me at all, i never even look at it when i look at my car

If you don't like the front plate mounted ON the bumper, an alternate is "attaching" it to the inside of the windshield in the lower passenger-side corner. The base of our tC windshield is less than 60 inches from the ground.

The California Vehicle Code says:
5200 CVC
When two license plates are issued by the DMV for a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.
5201 CVC
License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging and shall be mounted in a position to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. The front license plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground.
5201 (e) CVC
No covering shall be used on license plates, excluding license plate security covers.
5202 CVC
Every license plate issued by this State or any jurisdiction within or without the United States shall remain attached during the period of its validity to the vehicle for which it is issued while being operated within this State.

Just an idea in the event you want to avoid a "fix it" ticket and still not put the front plate on your car. I haven't had a front plate on my Miata EVER and, despite many speeding tickets, have never been cited. I have no intention of marring the front of my Scion with a license plate.

^^^ that sounds good, but i think the key word is attached. i think you have to actually screw it into your dash or something if that was to work. I dont know though. Can anyone else testify to this?

John

I hear they make you put front Plates on so that police have something easier to reflect their radar guns off of

A loose plate of metal on your dash is not advisable in the event of a crash. Especially right over the airbag...

"It is a scam because they potray the system as a "safety" measure " Ah, ok. Yeah, seems that way. But I don't have a problem with people that break the law paying more so I don't have to. The marketing part is a scam though, I agree.

" But I don't have a problem with people that break the law paying more so I don't have to. .

I dont understand?

John

If this is a revenue thing, then what this does is give the police dept more money so that the county/city/etc doesn't need to raise taxes. Just like people with heavy cars should pay more for registration since they cause more road damage, people that break the law should pay more for law enforcement since they cause the need for enforcement.

So what does the front liscence plate have to do with breaking the law? Im not arguing the fact that you have to pay a fine if you are ticketed for not having a front plate on, I am arguing the legitimacy of having front plate at all.

John

signed for cali... how many signatures does it need to go through?

I think we’re digressing.

Front plates make it easier to ID cars for cops. Esp those automated red light cameras. So, if people want to get rid of their front license plate so they can run red lights willy nilly I say make them keep their plates and make them pay for running the lights. Make them pay a lot so my taxes go down. Make them pay for my insurance too.

signed it

I think we’re digressing.

Front plates make it easier to ID cars for cops. Esp those automated red light cameras. So, if people want to get rid of their front license plate so they can run red lights willy nilly I say make them keep their plates and make them pay for running the lights. Make them pay a lot so my taxes go down. Make them pay for my insurance too.

Actually red light cameras get 2 shots of the rear liscence plate. The front shot is for trying to get the drivers face. So it might be easier for cops to make an ID head on, but it makes no difference for red light cameras at all.

John

I specifically told the dealer no front plate period. I guess they won't put them on unless you ask for them, in toledo ohio, at least. I think it makes any car look ugly that doesnt have a recessed spot in the front bumper for them.

^^^^ I asked my dealer to specifically not drill the holes in my front bumper too. He told me that it was impossible for him to do, because if a car of his is caught off of the lot with no holes drilled, he gets fined. Could just be a bunch of bs that he was giving me, but i couldn't pursued him to do otherwise.

John

DAYUM there are some ign'int people on this forum.

There IS a reason for front plates.

Front plates in WA don't require a license tab, so it's obviously not a revenue issue. As some may think.
They won't get rid of the front plates because of the reason they require them - REVENUE. Do a little research into camera enforcement programs and you'll see the rea$on$ why we'll retain them... Sorry to be a wet blanket, and again, it's JMO...
Sorry Scionic, I didn't do any research, I just thought about it for about 20 seconds. Not everything in this world can be traced back to money.

People who think they can avoid red light cameras by taking their front plates off are stupid. Running a red light is stupid in the first place. Also if we all took off our front plates off all they would do is turn the camera around, and catch your back plate.

The reason for front plates is for police to read them.
Police at red lights get bored. So they run plates to pass the time (When they don't turn on their strobes and go through the light, then turn them off on the other side of the intersection. Fukr's) They run plates of cars that pull up behind, they run plates of people on the other side of the intersection.

Also an online petition will NEVER change anything. I work for local gov't and I've personally seen someone receive a petition, read the front page then drop it in the recycling.

DAYUM there are some ign'int people on this forum.

There IS a reason for front plates.

Sorry Scionic, I didn't do any research, I just thought about it for about 20 seconds. Not everything in this world can be traced back to money.

People who think they can avoid red light cameras by taking their front plates off are stupid. Running a red light is stupid in the first place. Also if we all took off our front plates off all they would do is turn the camera around, and catch your back plate.



Maybe your the one who is ignorant, and your argument would be more pursuasive if you had done some research about red light cameras. For everyone who thinks that the only reason for taking off your front plates is to avoid red light cameras is wrong. For your information, red light cameras get two shot of the rear of your car to get your plate number. They only try and get a shot from the front to get the face shot of the driver.

If front plates are sooo important, then why do 20 of the 51 states not require them? Right now, other states are already debating the need for them, and will vote within the year what they will do with them.

So if your entire argument is based on the point that we need them for the cameras, then you are missinformed. I will agree with you that police probably do run plates when they are at stop lights, but who cares if they cant run your plates if you are behind them.

John

I made a licesen plate holder. =)

i put it on my friends TC .. havent had time to take it with a dig cam.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid156/pa2f5633ce8a7fe3762fe6bd20d84e2d2/f5529b4b.jpg

pm me if you want one. i might be able to make it.

Signed, I cannot wait till it is sealed and delivered. Screw all the cameras at intersections.
In the Costa Mesa area I drove through a yellow to red and My truck was entirely in the intersection. The lights went off and I made a goofy face for the jackholes. I didn't have a front plate on my truck and never heard anything about it.
I also want to go play with toll roads and just not pay for a while since I have no plates on the tC at all yet. Any thoughts? Not trying to highjack this thread, just curious about peoples thoughts on this.
:ttth: Stop you're busted for not having a front plate.

those petitions are only petitions. i doubt it will actually get the CA law changed.

It wont. Guam just started that damn front license plate law a few years ago. They aint changing it back. They say its needed to ID cars faster when needed. SO its a must have. I hate a front plate, but they are prob right. Cops can ID you from both sides.

We need the real petition people outside Target to get involved. Then it will be a legitimate petition with the potential to be put on the ballot for a vote. That is how it works people.
The revenue is made when people receive a ticket in the mail and just pay it to pay it. Then since it is a moving violation the points go on the persons record and insurance goes up.
Who do you think is lobbying the state and local governments to put these damned things in intersections? I doubt it is people motivated by safety. They may argue it is needed due to safety but their real motivation is the installation and maintenance fees they charge. City governments do not instal nor do they service these things.
:evil:
These devices are the work of the devil trying to suck the monetary blood from the average working class
:pray: :rofl:

I plugged my front plate holes. I wonder how much the ticket is gonna be.

^^^^^^hey just wondering what you put in your holes, all I did was paint my screws black, and screm them in, you can hardly see them at a distance.

for the ohioans:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS01/503060427/1056/news0104

not sure if it is too late send a letter/email/call to the senators as support since they're debating it this week, although it sounds like Taft won't sign it anyway.

Been driving in So Cal for 4 years without a front plate, and in Nor Cal for 4 years prior to that without a front plate and never got stopped. Helps driving trucks, cops leave you alone. Now all my friends with coupes or anything sporty, always get hassled for not having a front plate life just aint fair is it.

It is just a fix it ticket if you get stoped, just put your plate on then remove after you get the ticket fixed.

thanks for the info I signed the jersey one and I don't have a front plate now so let's get this passed before I get stopped

I signed! and I posted this in my old 350z forums too. :D

The motorcycle cops in SF justify their existence by stopping you for no front plate. Apparently they have nothing better to do. We were stopped 3x in a month by three different motorcycle cops. I got a warning once, my wife got a warning once, and then she got the fix-it ticket.

I got some window suction cups from Walgreens for $2.50 and the all-important front plate now resides in the lower-left corner of the front window. It's less than 60" from the ground, so in full compliance with CA State Law for front plate display: http://www.worth1000.com/entries/53000/53127XDGC_w.jpg

It doesn't obscure field of vision thanks to the xB's nice and big upright windshield, and we get to avoid drilling holes in our bumper to comply with this arbitrary and asinine law.

So, at fix-it time I stopped an SFPD uniform in car and he said "Don't tell me, let me guess...a motorcycle cop cited you for this, right?" He immediately signed it off, shaking his head the entire time.

If this were a serious law, and not just an excuse to stop/hassle people from boredom, fill up cite books with infractions, and justify administrative bloat, they need simply walk the beat in Pac Height$$, $eaCliff and the Marina where you will see many, many Porches, BMWs, Mercs and Range Rovers--but oh wait a sec!!--very, very few with front plates.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

In related news: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=605624#605624

I specifically asked my dealer not to drill any holes into my front bumper, too, and he was absolutely fine with it. Reminded him a good three times just to make sure. I'm picking it up in about 2 hours, so if I see holes, there's gonna be blood.

Wish we could get rid of them in WA. I'll probably just keep mine in the window when I'm on a busy street, and stick it under the seat when I'm just cruising.

does anyone know if they have them for ohio?

^^didnt see the other post sry

a friend of mine bought a new Toureg and he told them not to drill the holes for the license plate. He said as long as there are no holes that he doesnt need a front license plate. Is this true? I live in DFW area of Texas.

You got it teamkasnomas, the front plate can be "attached" in any manner. Double stick tape, suction cups, doesn't matter. Use duct tape. Nothing in the vehicle code says that "attached" is defined as screws placed into holes. We could use WonderTape (the stuff automotive emblems are often attached with) to attach the plate if we wanted to. As long as the plate is attached in a manner to prevent it moving, it's legal (in CA -- dunno about other states).

I'm just going to wait until I get a fix-it ticket (if ever). My Miata is 10+ years old and has never had a front plate. Even when I've been stopped for speeding, I haven't been cited for no front plate. So, I'm just gonna take the risk until it happens.

As for the argument that front plates help with IDing a car faster. That point is a dubious one. Next time you're sitting at a left-turn light with oncoming traffic flowing towards you, try reading the front plates. Traffic is moving at what -- 30? 40? 50? How well will you read the plate?

True, police officers receive some training and practice. Nonetheless, even for them it is not an easy thing to get a good plate reading off of a car moving even 30mph in the opposite direction. I'm not saying it can't be done, and I'm not saying that SOME kind of ID can be made -- but the cases where it is useful are limited. A front plate typically is only useful for red light cameras and other "revenue enhancing" tactics.

Personally, I don't want a front plate for purely aesthetic reasons. It has nothing to do with breaking the law.

whoopsie...wrong link!! here are the cali dmv front plate stipulations:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc5201.htm

damn I love florida. :)

my dealer didn't drill the holes, thank goodness, and i don't intend to either. i have my front plate suction cupped to my front windshield (from the inside :silly: ) on the bottom driver side corner. I haven't had any problems yet... :pray:

Good lookin out. I was riding in with my cousin in her '05 Civic EX and a occifer stopped us because of the "absence of a front end license plate". She got charged $60 for not having one. That's just ridiculous.

This has got to stop. But it's ok if it doesn't. :-p

My dealer drilled holes even after I repeatedly reminded them not to. Then I go to pick up my plates and the clerk says I can have them attached if I go to the service center, so what the hey, I go, and I tell them I only want the rear plate put on. The dude's shocked, saying, "well, I guess you could do that, but you're risking a ticket". I say, "that's fine, dude; it's been done". Thankfully he listened. I hate the frames that gave me from the dealer, too.

Hey, what can I use to cover up the holes? I just have the black screws in the front right now, and taking them out would probably look ridiculous unless I somehow got around to plugging the holes. Any ideas?

just get some screws that the tops are flat and just paint em black and it wont look as obvious...

But it will still show. I'm talkin', completely plug them. I just wish they'd listened to my request when the car came in so I wouldn't have to have those damn things there in the first place.

the only thing i do not like is how the dealerships drills the 2 holes in the dang thing in the first place
sheesh

That's my problem with it, too; I specifically told them a number of times to make sure they wouldn't do it, and when I thought I'd drilled it into their heads, I went ahead and reminded them anyway.
I decided to be legal for the day, so I tried putting my plate into the front end. Took the screws out for the first time; it was torture to see all the mutilated plastic underneath, surrounded by unpainted scratches. Whatever, I thought. I put in the plate and stepped back, and it became immediately apparent that, despite my numerous requests not to drill those holes in the first place, they'd not only done it, but done it completely crooked. Looked ridiculous, so I got ____ed, threw the ____ back in my room and washed my car, hoping to rid at least some of the debris away from the holes. Not much luck, but it's less noticable. I might just go with the flatheaded screw idea. :blah:

DAYUM there are some ign'int people on this forum.

There IS a reason for front plates.

Sorry Scionic, I didn't do any research, I just thought about it for about 20 seconds. Not everything in this world can be traced back to money.

People who think they can avoid red light cameras by taking their front plates off are stupid. Running a red light is stupid in the first place. Also if we all took off our front plates off all they would do is turn the camera around, and catch your back plate.



Maybe your the one who is ignorant, and your argument would be more pursuasive if you had done some research about red light cameras. For everyone who thinks that the only reason for taking off your front plates is to avoid red light cameras is wrong. For your information, red light cameras get two shot of the rear of your car to get your plate number. They only try and get a shot from the front to get the face shot of the driver.

If front plates are sooo important, then why do 20 of the 51 states not require them? Right now, other states are already debating the need for them, and will vote within the year what they will do with them.

So if your entire argument is based on the point that we need them for the cameras, then you are missinformed. I will agree with you that police probably do run plates when they are at stop lights, but who cares if they cant run your plates if you are behind them.

John

Dear JRV:

Where did I say " we need them for the cameras."

I never said that, A new paragraph usually means a different, but related idea. I said that we need them, and it can't be traced back to money

And as for the rest of you, I used to work for the friggin' DOT, I've been in the room where traffic cameras are monitored, they take pictures of front and rear. So please don't tell me that camera's only take a picture of front plates. They may do that in your state, they sure the hell don't do it here.

just bringing it back up

just bringing it back up

..gg :tap:

:rofl: well since it got brought back up, might as well put my .02 in. anyone ever notice that no corvettes have front plates at all. :lalala: all they have is a little square imprinted on their bumper that says corvette. hell, i think ill go imprint scion on my front bumper if its ok for a corvett to do it.

Naw. even the 'Vettes have front plates 'round here...

http://tijil.org/109240423.jpg

damn this is old but, I don't have a plate in the front of mine. it goes well withthe fact that the RS doesn't have an emblem in the front as well :)

www.bumperplugs.com

you should post these on myspace too. it would get tons of people signing it.

nice petition... but without them, the state can't make money for those who rush the red light from the camera system they have now a days

Good stuff! I signed! MD Woot woot! No tags! :p

you are kidding me with this, right?

I quote:

"To: California Legislature
To: CA Legislators
We, the Undersigned, petition the State of California to revoke the current law requiring the display of a front license plate on passenger vehicles.
We support the current and future licensing fee structure, but ask that the law reflect that a front license plate is no longer required. We believe that there are significant benefits in not requiring front license plates and our reasons for this belief are briefly summarized in the paragraphs below.

First, eliminating the need for a front license plate will significantly reduce the state costs associated with production, storage, and shipping. Second, a front license plate restricts the performance of passenger vehicles. Modern cars aren't being designed with front plates in mind anymore, because mounting brackets that are necessary to hold the plates interfere with the cars' aerodynamics and often get damaged during the car-washing process. Third, unnecessary damage is sustained from minor bumper-to-bumper collisions, because the front mounting brackets on passenger cars can cause cracks and abrasions to the rear bumpers of the cars that they hit. Finally, police officers will be more productive in stopping dangerous motor vehicle violations such as drunk driving, reckless driving, speeding, etc., because their time won't be compromised by a California motorist who simply didn't have a front license plate on display.
Law enforcement officials might be opposed to a measure abolishing the front license plate requirement, because they might believe that losing the extra plate will make it more difficult for them to do their jobs in the best possible manner. However, in the 20 or more states that have abolished the front license plate requirement, there is no evidence of a decline in public safety as a result of the plate removal. "

It seems the points are ,"Hey, not only does this dang front license plate look like crap, but the mandatory requiring one makes my car slower. Not only that...when I rear end someone these bothersome front license plate screws are leaving an impression in their bumper. Also, without having to look at the front of cars, cops will be freed up to chase real criminals instead of license plate law scoffers.

Not strong arguments there. Not that I disagree with the intent, just the execution.

Please everyone reading this, sign the MD petition. even if you are not from MD. Thanks

Online petitions work as much as forcing a video game maker to remove "pornography" from their videogame when the child can just type, www.bigfreakinhooters.com and see real porn. Online petitions are pointless....especially when they're for something like changing the law.

They make the law to make money off of it...there's no changing it, so just drive without one and get a fix-it ticket. :P

I'm signing it. Also, does anyone know of "plugs" or something you can use to cover the holes. Unfortunately, my dealership REFUSED to NOT drill the holes, as it was a part of the delivery checklist, so I have a tacky plate on the front. Help!

I refused to sign the contract and take delivery of my box if the dealer drilled holes in the front bumper. I was too lazy to read the whole post... does anyone have a petition for Missouri?

yeah, it sucks. i got a fix it ticket today in sf for not having a plate on the front of the car. anybody know where to go after u get the ticket sign off by a officer?

I'm in the process of getting another tC and I will make SURE there are no holes drilled in the front bumper. I live in CA and have a cop for a parent, regardless the reason I dont want a front plate is because the tC's look SO much better without AND thats the biggest laser target ever, reflective, flat, right in the middle...

speaking of laser, does anyone know if that "Veil" stuff works?

I signed it........I'll sign anything. :silly:

can you sign a release of all your assets to me? :pray:

I think we should make a petition for trucks with towing capacities over 3/4 ton to have a license plate on the back. I've been hacked off too many times by someone in a 8"+ raised nobby tired tailgate down truck more often than I have by a real driver... if I knew the plate, I could call my cop friends to be on the look out for them later. But then, it's an online petition. If you want something done, you have to sit down and write a letter to your senator with paper and pen, no computers.

Can we get a VA one going? I've wanted no front plates badly for a long time now.. starting back when I had my first VW and wanted to put a euro plate on the front. :flame: