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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 05:43 PM
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Default Where's the tC? Toyota recall brake/throttle problems..

You know this whole Toyota unintended acceleration issue. Okay so they blame the floor mats, and there's a lot of speculation about the electronics actually causing it. But now they're adding a brake override feature into the ecu of those recalled cars.

My question is this. Why is the tC not in this recall? The Camry is affected and we share a lot with the engine components with the Camry so why isn't the tC affected? Anyone know?

UPDATE: I am asking why the ECU software for the tC isn't being updated to also incorporate this "brake throttle stop" function. It's where you can't hit the gas and brake at the same time, brake wins out and shuts off the throttle.

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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 06:13 PM
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Because Tcs are spaceships and bullet proof
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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Maybe tC owners are smarter than people that buy other Toyota products. I know if my car was accelerating wildly I'd probably pop it into neutral and kill the engine. I'm not a fan of dying in a massive fireball.
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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because the tc drivers side floor mats are held in place by those plastics hooks.
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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Because there arent any tC problems like that.
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 07:30 PM
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wait!!

you mean my tc isnt suppose to accelerate on its own???

i thought it was a special feature thrown in with the sweet moonroof and uber cool 17 inch wheels!!!

LMAO!
Old Jan 12, 2010 | 09:19 PM
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The tC has a different gas pedal design/layout, so the mats do not catch.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Thermos2003
Maybe tC owners are smarter than people that buy other Toyota products. I know if my car was accelerating wildly I'd probably pop it into neutral and kill the engine. I'm not a fan of dying in a massive fireball.
Thank you that is what I have been saying all along. I rather blow the motor and have Toyota replace it.
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I believe that some Camrys and Avalons are being recalled with new ECUs or possibly reflashing (which ever the campaign calls for) is because the fact that some have push start buttons. I know with this ignition system you're not able to shut down the engine when you're going at highway speeds due to the fact your power steering and brakes will somewhat be affected when engine goes off. With those system, you can't override the push start botton under highway conditions from what I've read. But with ours, we can shut it off at our convenience under emergencies if the accel pedal gets stuck.
So, there is no need to worry, imo.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SCIONOSIS
I believe that some Camrys and Avalons are being recalled with new ECUs or possibly reflashing (which ever the campaign calls for) is because the fact that some have push start buttons. I know with this ignition system you're not able to shut down the engine when you're going at highway speeds due to the fact your power steering and brakes will somewhat be affected when engine goes off. With those system, you can't override the push start botton under highway conditions from what I've read. But with ours, we can shut it off at our convenience under emergencies if the accel pedal gets stuck.
So, there is no need to worry, imo.
so that's what you've heard it was because of that push-button start interface that was causing the issue. So then they reflash the ECU with programming that would allow the throttle to be cut off if the brakes and the throttle are activated at the same time. Brakes would win. Now that makes sense.

yeah I never have cared for that push button start, thought it was a gimmick and now I can see it is! Nothing wrong with having a key and some "manual control" over your car. Glad we have a normal key on our car!
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 02:23 AM
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well people are lazy in america, i mean look at ford they dont even have a gas cap anymore. It could be to help stop the CEL for that but i think they made it for lazy people, lol
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 02:39 AM
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Sciontc Mich... Just to clarify, I'm not saying that the push start button/Smart key system is causing accel pedal failure - I'm saying that when you do have a case like this, the option of shutting down the engine thru the button cannot be manually overridin' (sp) . I heard the only time you can shut the engine is when the gear selector is in park.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Thermos2003
Maybe tC owners are smarter than people that buy other Toyota products.
I beg to differ. You can't get much dumber than some of the tc drivers ive met around here.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:39 AM
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haha boom! But either way noobness is fairly entertaining
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 06:06 AM
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Yea if they had this on the tc I would def not take mine in break overriding gas? How the hell am I supposed to break boost f that
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 06:39 AM
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^haha x2 that ____s lame brake boosting and around a track thank god this doesnt affect the tC
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SCIONOSIS
Sciontc Mich... Just to clarify, I'm not saying that the push start button/Smart key system is causing accel pedal failure - I'm saying that when you do have a case like this, the option of shutting down the engine thru the button cannot be manually overridin' (sp) . I heard the only time you can shut the engine is when the gear selector is in park.
oh i know what you meant, scionosis. I understood, and yeah i was agreeing with you that I'm glad the tC has a regular key ignition switch that gives much more control over the engine in a bad/emergency situation.

Wow the only time you can push that button is when it's in park? That's crazy! See that's what I'm talking about, too much control by the car to tell you what you can and cannot do. We drive the car, we get to tell it what to do, not the other way around. glad the tC doesn't tell us how to operate the car!
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:08 AM
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^Yup... so many sophisticated stuff with electronics can turn into a nightmare. I remember that scene in the movie Demolition Man where the concept car did not respond to Sly's commands trying to stop the car. That movie was back in the 90's so you'd think that idea would foreshadow over to the car manufactures to built fail safe cars in these instances.

However, I'm somewhat incorrect saying the engine cannot be overridden. The info I acquire beforehand was I think for BMW's keyless go system operations. So, I did some research on Toyota's Smart key system and found there is a way to kill the engine when the vehicles is in motion. Pressing the switch momentarily will not respond to anything for safety reasons of accidentally hitting the pwr switch when turning the steering wheel while vehicle is in motion. But, pressing and holding down the push start button for 3 secs while vehicle is in motion will kill the engine, and the power steering and brake assist loses power. Yeah, that is important info. Too bad the salesman at dealerships don't inform customers about this when they should.

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:13 AM
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But in any case, the tC is not that sophisticated for these kind of problems to arise. Even better if you happen to have a manual tC to control the driveline.
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