OK SO YESTURDAY I'M DRIVING HOME FROM WORK AND I HEAR A SLIGHTLY ODD NOISE... LOWER MY VOLUME ON MY RADIO TO HEAR NOTHIN.. SO I CONTINUE DRIVING HOME (10 MIN. FROM WORK)... I PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WENT IN TO START GETTING READY (VALENTINES DAY YA KNOW)... ABOUT TO JUMP IN THE SHOWER AND MY BROTHER ASKS TO USE THE CAR TO GO TO THE MALL (NOT VERY FOND OF THAT IDEA BUT I SAID YES VERY HESITANTLY). SO WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER I CAME TO LEARN THAT MY BROTHER MADE IT DOWN THE BLOCK AND HEARD SOMETHING BUST... SO HE MADE A U-TURN AND CAME HOME... OPENED MY HOOD AND FOUND A NICELY BUSTED ALTERNATOR BELT!!! I'VE HAD THIS CAR SINCE OCTOBER AND WAS JUST WONDERING WTF COULDVE CAUSED THIS??? I HAD IT TOWED TO THE DEALERSHIP THIS MORNING AND THEY WERE DONE WITH THE CAR BY THE AFTERNOON (AND WASHED MY CAR TOO). I ASKED THEM THE SAME QUESTION AND GOT THE ANSWER "UMM I DONT KNOW REALLY HOW THIS COULDVE HAPPENED... BUT YOU WILL BE RECIEVING A "SURVEY" THING IN THE MAIL WHICH IS A SORT OF "REPORT CARD" FOR ME SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GAVE ME AN "EXCELLENT" RATING INSTEAD OF A "GOOD" ONE CUZ THOSE DONT COUNT... WTF LOL SO JUST CUZ U COMPLIMENT MY STARS TATTOO'D ON MY EARS AND MY GRAPHICS I'M SUPPOSE TO GIVE U AN "EXCELLENT" RATING???! HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY QUESTION OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME SOME REASONS ON HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... I JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE "R U SERIOUS"... SO PLEASE IF ANYONE HAS ANY KIND OF THOUGHTS ON HOW IT COULDVE RIPPED PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THEM AND IF ANYONE HAS HAD THIS PROBLEM!!! PS.. SORRY ABOUT ALL CAPS BUT I'M AT WORK LOL

OK SO YESTURDAY I'M DRIVING HOME FROM WORK AND I HEAR A SLIGHTLY ODD NOISE... LOWER MY VOLUME ON MY RADIO TO HEAR NOTHIN.. SO I CONTINUE DRIVING HOME (10 MIN. FROM WORK)... I PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WENT IN TO START GETTING READY (VALENTINES DAY YA KNOW)... ABOUT TO JUMP IN THE SHOWER AND MY BROTHER ASKS TO USE THE CAR TO GO TO THE MALL (NOT VERY FOND OF THAT IDEA BUT I SAID YES VERY HESITANTLY). SO WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER I CAME TO LEARN THAT MY BROTHER MADE IT DOWN THE BLOCK AND HEARD SOMETHING BUST... SO HE MADE A U-TURN AND CAME HOME... OPENED MY HOOD AND FOUND A NICELY BUSTED ALTERNATOR BELT!!! I'VE HAD THIS CAR SINCE OCTOBER AND WAS JUST WONDERING WTF COULDVE CAUSED THIS??? I HAD IT TOWED TO THE DEALERSHIP THIS MORNING AND THEY WERE DONE WITH THE CAR BY THE AFTERNOON (AND WASHED MY CAR TOO). I ASKED THEM THE SAME QUESTION AND GOT THE ANSWER "UMM I DONT KNOW REALLY HOW THIS COULDVE HAPPENED... BUT YOU WILL BE RECIEVING A "SURVEY" THING IN THE MAIL WHICH IS A SORT OF "REPORT CARD" FOR ME SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GAVE ME AN "EXCELLENT" RATING INSTEAD OF A "GOOD" ONE CUZ THOSE DONT COUNT... WTF LOL SO JUST CUZ U COMPLIMENT MY STARS TATTOO'D ON MY EARS AND MY GRAPHICS I'M SUPPOSE TO GIVE U AN "EXCELLENT" RATING???! HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY QUESTION OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME SOME REASONS ON HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... I JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE "R U SERIOUS"... SO PLEASE IF ANYONE HAS ANY KIND OF THOUGHTS ON HOW IT COULDVE RIPPED PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THEM AND IF ANYONE HAS HAD THIS PRO

BLEM!!! PS.. SORRY ABOUT ALL CAPS BUT I'M AT WORK LOL

Sounds like the idler or one of the pulleys are out of alignment, which means it could happen again. When the engine is running, look along the belt to see that it is riding straight everywhere. If that was not the case it could simply just be a bad belt.

thank u so much... i will check that asap... now how come the damn dealership couldnt tell me that lol... thanks for your help!!!

now how come the damn dealership couldnt tell me that lol... thanks for your help!!!

we have great scionlife members! :clap: thats all you need

Unfortunately a lot of so called "ASE Certified" techs at dealers have little experience outside of a classroom. This is not to say that all ASE Certified mechanics are not knowledgeable, only that the ASE certification is nothing more than a grade on a test. They should have at least taken the time to check those things, as that is normally the first thing to check when a belt breaks. Especially when it is that new. It is pretty easy to check just by looking. The belt should run straight on all pulleys and idlers, and should not be way off to one side. If it is off to one side on the idler, then it is probably running crooked on another pulley. Also, line them up with your eye to see if the pulleys all seem to line up straight with each other.

Anyway, I hope this helps and you get it fixed!! Other than that, how are you liking the car? Mine has rocked so far. Almost up to 10,000 miles and doing great. Now I'm just waiting for the CAI and Supercharger :bow:

What is an alternator belt??? I replaced my alternator in my Saturn this summer and the only belt I had to deal with was the serpentine belt... :eyebrow:

What is an alternator belt??? I replaced my alternator in my Saturn this summer and the only belt I had to deal with was the serpentine belt... :eyebrow:

On some cars it is a separate belt. I replaced mine on my saturn too this summer! The only breakdown in 170,000 miles (which is why I kept my trusty saturn after buying the tC). The crappy part about the alternator was that I could not replace in on the side of the road because it is on the lower rear part of the motor! Bad idea there! Good thing about the tC is that the alternator and starter are very easy to get to if needed.

another good reason to keep the saturn.. is that the body is ABS plastic, which is much better against the road salt in winter! Makes a great winter car.

Oooh, ok. I didn't know that. Cool :)

I'd keep the Saturn but a) it's my trade in, b) I don't want to deal with the registration/insurance issues of having two cars, and c) I don't really like it :)

you can drive your car with out the alt, you just can't do it with windsheild wipers, head lights, or any thing else needs power

it can be done... you'll just be draining the battery though... untill you get it fixed

The battery doesn't run the car for that long without the alternator though... last time I tried to do that, it ran the car for about 20 minutes before it started crapping out. But I don't know how charged the battery was, either. But it's definitely just a VERY short-term fix

Every once and awhile you just have a bad belt that slipped through quality control. :doh:

I would check the other more likely items mentioned earlier.

Don't be too hard on the dealer. If anything it was a manufacturing problem. He fixed and cleaned your car under warrenty.

OK SO YESTURDAY I'M DRIVING HOME FROM WORK AND I HEAR A SLIGHTLY ODD NOISE... LOWER MY VOLUME ON MY RADIO TO HEAR NOTHIN.. SO I CONTINUE DRIVING HOME (10 MIN. FROM WORK)... I PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WENT IN TO START GETTING READY (VALENTINES DAY YA KNOW)... ABOUT TO JUMP IN THE SHOWER AND MY BROTHER ASKS TO USE THE CAR TO GO TO THE MALL (NOT VERY FOND OF THAT IDEA BUT I SAID YES VERY HESITANTLY). SO WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER I CAME TO LEARN THAT MY BROTHER MADE IT DOWN THE BLOCK AND HEARD SOMETHING BUST... SO HE MADE A U-TURN AND CAME HOME... OPENED MY HOOD AND FOUND A NICELY BUSTED ALTERNATOR BELT!!! I'VE HAD THIS CAR SINCE OCTOBER AND WAS JUST WONDERING WTF COULDVE CAUSED THIS??? I HAD IT TOWED TO THE DEALERSHIP THIS MORNING AND THEY WERE DONE WITH THE CAR BY THE AFTERNOON (AND WASHED MY CAR TOO). I ASKED THEM THE SAME QUESTION AND GOT THE ANSWER "UMM I DONT KNOW REALLY HOW THIS COULDVE HAPPENED... BUT YOU WILL BE RECIEVING A "SURVEY" THING IN THE MAIL WHICH IS A SORT OF "REPORT CARD" FOR ME SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GAVE ME AN "EXCELLENT" RATING INSTEAD OF A "GOOD" ONE CUZ THOSE DONT COUNT... WTF LOL SO JUST CUZ U COMPLIMENT MY STARS TATTOO'D ON MY EARS AND MY GRAPHICS I'M SUPPOSE TO GIVE U AN "EXCELLENT" RATING???! HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY QUESTION OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME SOME REASONS ON HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... I JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE "R U SERIOUS"... SO PLEASE IF ANYONE HAS ANY KIND OF THOUGHTS ON HOW IT COULDVE RIPPED PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THEM AND IF ANYONE HAS HAD THIS PRO

BLEM!!! PS.. SORRY ABOUT ALL CAPS BUT I'M AT WORK LOL

Sounds like the idler or one of the pulleys are out of alignment, which means it could happen again. When the engine is running, look along the belt to see that it is riding straight everywhere. If that was not the case it could simply just be a bad belt.

idler pully was not out of "alignment"
your belt busted, pure and simple one and a million chance and it happened

live with it its upsetting but stuff happens
techs are not psychics and can not always tell what happened what happened at that exact momment when a part fails, we go by clues and sometimes the clues don't point anywhere
i am sorry that we do not have supernatural powers, oh please find it in your heart to forgive us

they fixed your problem and washed/detailed your car and your upset at them

go shoot yourself

The battery doesn't run the car for that long without the alternator though... last time I tried to do that, it ran the car for about 20 minutes before it started crapping out. But I don't know how charged the battery was, either. But it's definitely just a VERY short-term fix

Very very short. The injectors and fuel pump draw a lot of power from the system. Typically about 20 - 40 minutes without the alt and the sytem can no longer fire the injectors and you are walking. Old cars that had mechanical fuel pumps, no computers, and points instead of electronic ignition could go a long ways, but not the newer ones. Plus, every time you are starting the car you are drawing a ton of power.

OK SO YESTURDAY I'M DRIVING HOME FROM WORK AND I HEAR A SLIGHTLY ODD NOISE... LOWER MY VOLUME ON MY RADIO TO HEAR NOTHIN.. SO I CONTINUE DRIVING HOME (10 MIN. FROM WORK)... I PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WENT IN TO START GETTING READY (VALENTINES DAY YA KNOW)... ABOUT TO JUMP IN THE SHOWER AND MY BROTHER ASKS TO USE THE CAR TO GO TO THE MALL (NOT VERY FOND OF THAT IDEA BUT I SAID YES VERY HESITANTLY). SO WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER I CAME TO LEARN THAT MY BROTHER MADE IT DOWN THE BLOCK AND HEARD SOMETHING BUST... SO HE MADE A U-TURN AND CAME HOME... OPENED MY HOOD AND FOUND A NICELY BUSTED ALTERNATOR BELT!!! I'VE HAD THIS CAR SINCE OCTOBER AND WAS JUST WONDERING WTF COULDVE CAUSED THIS??? I HAD IT TOWED TO THE DEALERSHIP THIS MORNING AND THEY WERE DONE WITH THE CAR BY THE AFTERNOON (AND WASHED MY CAR TOO). I ASKED THEM THE SAME QUESTION AND GOT THE ANSWER "UMM I DONT KNOW REALLY HOW THIS COULDVE HAPPENED... BUT YOU WILL BE RECIEVING A "SURVEY" THING IN THE MAIL WHICH IS A SORT OF "REPORT CARD" FOR ME SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GAVE ME AN "EXCELLENT" RATING INSTEAD OF A "GOOD" ONE CUZ THOSE DONT COUNT... WTF LOL SO JUST CUZ U COMPLIMENT MY STARS TATTOO'D ON MY EARS AND MY GRAPHICS I'M SUPPOSE TO GIVE U AN "EXCELLENT" RATING???! HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY QUESTION OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME SOME REASONS ON HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... I JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE "R U SERIOUS"... SO PLEASE IF ANYONE HAS ANY KIND OF THOUGHTS ON HOW IT COULDVE RIPPED PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST THEM AND IF ANYONE HAS HAD THIS PRO

BLEM!!! PS.. SORRY ABOUT ALL CAPS BUT I'M AT WORK LOL

Sounds like the idler or one of the pulleys are out of alignment, which means it could happen again. When the engine is running, look along the belt to see that it is riding straight everywhere. If that was not the case it could simply just be a bad belt.

idler pully was not out of "alignment"
your belt busted, pure and simple one and a million chance and it happened

live with it its upsetting but stuff happens
techs are not psychics and can not always tell what happened what happened at that exact momment when a part fails, we go by clues and sometimes the clues don't point anywhere
i am sorry that we do not have supernatural powers, oh please find it in your heart to forgive us

they fixed your problem and washed/detailed your car and your upset at them

go shoot yourself

I did not say that the idler was out of alignment, only that it could be a possible cause. Don't spout off about things untill you read thoroughly. In my 15 years of building and working on cars, and my fathers 35+ years of being a mechanic, including building 600 hp + engines, we have seen quite a few belts break due to pulley and idler alignment. This may or may not have contributed to her problem, I was only trying to help. And I never cut down dealership mechanics as a whole if you take the time to read. I was just warning that if a tech does not take time to at least look over everything then he obviously does not care about his job or does not have enough experience to at least try to find a cause before simply replacing parts. Sometimes you just get a bad part, but whose to say that the bad part was not the idler instead of the belt??? Its like having an alternator fail early and just replacing it without checking the rest of the system for a reason of failure. And by the sound of your response it sounds like you work at the place that fixed hers. If I were her I would be nervous about taking my car back knowing that someone there is that upset with me. Relax, take a Xanex or something.

Unfortunately a lot of so called "ASE Certified" techs at dealers have little experience outside of a classroom. This is not to say that all ASE Certified mechanics are not knowledgeable, only that the ASE certification is nothing more than a grade on a test...

That's the difference between a "technician" and a "mechanic". Technicians can plug in the computer and replace what the computer says to replace. Mechanics actually understand how things work and can diagnose problems that baffle the computer. Mechanics are worth every penny they are paid!

Did they re-install the old belt or give you a new one? They should have used a new one, but you never know... If the old one is available, they should have showed it to you. If it was nicked or cut there may have been a foreign object that got in there and caused your problems. If it was worn it may have been slipping and wore out prematurely, or the pulleys might be out of alignment but that seems unlikely to me on a brand new car.

If it was slipping there might be some oil or lubricant on it that made it slip, or it might be the pulleys were too loose.

No matter how you cut the cake they didn't give you enough information. Your problems might be fixed or it could happen again. Depends on what caused it in the first place.

He got a new belt so what is his _____?

i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc

its always the same story and its getting old

and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training

you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it

hahaha...

keep in mind your service advisor didn't make your car so you have no reason to give him a bad survey if he fixed the problem in a timely fashion and your car was washed for you for free too!

hahaha...

keep in mind your service advisor didn't make your car so you have no reason to give him a bad survey if he fixed the problem in a timely fashion and your car was washed for you for free too!

I am sorry to hear about it, it is just a bad belt. I have owned 4 Toyotas and I currently have a Tacoma with 96K on it, I check the belts for wear and they are fine. I have never had to do a major repair, had an oil leak, hose replacement, transmission failure, nothing major in all the years of owning a Toyota. Only regular maintenance such as oil changes, brake pads/shoes and regular fluid changes at 30,60 and 90K.

It can happen and this is something that one could expect when owning a car. The dealer took care of it and treated you and your car with respect, the wash, he likes your car too. If he was not clear on his explanation then you may have asked for additional clarification.

BTW, you do not want to type in all caps, in e-mail and forums this indicates that your raising your voice or yelling.

i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc

its always the same story and its getting old

and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training

you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on itHaHa,...so true!Just soos ya know, there are no idlers on this car and a pulley being mis-aligned is not too probable either. Belts break, we replace them and move on with our lives. With the attitudes of some of the younger set on this forum is there any wonder that they get the respect they get at the dealership? Act right and life goes better! :clap:

i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc

its always the same story and its getting old

and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training

you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it

Ok, first of all, most of what you type makes no sense whatsoever.

Who said anything about using the old crap?? I am very well schooled on computer diagnosis as well as computer engineering . So if you are trying to compare brain pans, don't bother. How much do you know about ODBII? How many cars have you hooked to a scan tool and diagnosed? Me? More than I can count. And so you know, just swapping out what the scan tool says is a sign of a very poor tech. The scan tool tells you what the computer "THINKS" is wrong. In other words what things look out of range. It tells you nothing about what to replace. Unless you just swap parts (which many dealerships are notorius for) then it still takes experience and troubleshooting skills to properly repair the vehicle. And as far as my father (the one with 35 years experience) is concerned, he is in no way stuck in the old ways or however you phrased it. He gets a majority of his business from the 4 dealerships near him who can not properly use the new equipment to diagnose (not part swap) the problem. I don't know who you think you are "welcoming to 2005" cause you sound like you have never had your hands beneath the hood or dash of a vehicle in your life. Your words show that very clearly.

But back to the original topic, which your argument apparently has nothing to do with, we were not talking about computer problems. And oh, to the other comment... new cars absolutely do have an idler or tensioner. I have not taken the belt off of the tC yet, but 99% of all cars have some sort of spring loaded idler pulley which keeps the belt tensioned. Its a simple little concept called constant tension which anyone knowledgeable of vehicles should know. And idler is a "pulley" which does nothing but give the belt something to ride upon, and usually is the one under spring pressure that tensions the belt. Without this, we are back to the old days of having to tighten the belt using one of the devices such as the alternator. On newer cars which use a spring loaded idler, you simply use a tool to pull back on this piece, and whalla, the belt comes off... when you replace, the tensioner keeps the belt tight. And the leading cause of fast wearing belts is that something is out of allignment. It doesn't take much to figure this out. You guys have made it obvious in your arguments that you know little or nothing about any of this, so why argue??

Your arguments are directed in all the wrong places, which is a sign of someone spouting off just to try to ____ off people. If you have a legitimate argument, then make it, if not then keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. The original reply I made was to try to help, it had nothing to do with either of you.

i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc

its always the same story and its getting old

and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training

you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on itHaHa,...so true!Just soos ya know, there are no idlers on this car and a pulley being mis-aligned is not too probable either. Belts break, we replace them and move on with our lives. With the attitudes of some of the younger set on this forum is there any wonder that they get the respect they get at the dealership? Act right and life goes better! :clap:

And as for your misguided quotes, I never said to act disrespectful to the dealer. But it never hurts to question if you feel that they did not even look at the problem, which she thought was the case. If she was wrong, and they told her that they had checked everything, then a simple "OK, just checking" could be in order. When someone simply says "I don't know why it happened" and does not explain any further, then it makes it sound like they just swapped parts and sent you on your way, setting you up for another failure if the actual cause was not found. You have to pay attention to what people tell you, there are bad performers in any field, including techs. But so many people just completely take the word of people solely because they are "certified". And something being out of allignment is unlikely?? One warped bracket can cause this, and it only has to be off a few degrees to make the belt ride to one side. It is a very simple thing to look at, and I have no idea how you guys can make it sound like an impossibility. Ford had a huge problem with the idler/tensioner warping and causing the belts to ride to one side and wear out. And just so you know I am not even close to being one of the "younger" ones in this forum. The only ones acting "young" are you guys attacking others with arguments that make no sense.

OK, let me explain. I thought we were talking about an Xb for some reason(which has NO idlers or tensioner)so I was mistaken. :lalala: Now, as far as the TC motor goes, yes it has a hydraulic tensioner on a ribbed belt. As far as anything being out of alignment, not likely at all. This ain't pappys old ford(or NEW Ford) and there is really no brackets that could possibly bend or move. The few cases of misalignment I have ever encountered were invariably from the balancer butted against the crank key instead of on the key and the balancer was too far out. Never broke a belt though. The Tc engine has a reluctor wheel for the crank senser sandwiched between the oil pump sprocket and the balancer and if the balancer was not seated the reluctor wheel would move forward and cause misfire and a check engine light. My question to you is: If the tech looked and the pulleys were all in perfect alignment, what caused the belt to break? In reality, any answer you come up with would be pulled out of your ___ so why offer up such speculation? "I don't know" IS an answer and sometimes it is the ONLY answer that is correct. Screwing the service writer over (those surveys are how his job performance is rated) because nobody tried to be Miss Cleo is BS. Hell, aliens might have been beaming microwaves that focused and concentrated on her belt to cause an early demise. How would that kind of BS help anyone out? As an experienced, rational, educated person, surely you know the importance of attitude in most situations. :lalala:

OK, let me explain. I thought we were talking about an Xb for some reason(which has NO idlers or tensioner)so I was mistaken. :lalala: Now, as far as the TC motor goes, yes it has a hydraulic tensioner on a ribbed belt. As far as anything being out of alignment, not likely at all. This ain't pappys old ford(or NEW Ford) and there is really no brackets that could possibly bend or move. The few cases of misalignment I have ever encountered were invariably from the balancer butted against the crank key instead of on the key and the balancer was too far out. Never broke a belt though. The Tc engine has a reluctor wheel for the crank senser sandwiched between the oil pump sprocket and the balancer and if the balancer was not seated the reluctor wheel would move forward and cause misfire and a check engine light. My question to you is: If the tech looked and the pulleys were all in perfect alignment, what caused the belt to break? In reality, any answer you come up with would be pulled out of your ___ so why offer up such speculation? "I don't know" IS an answer and sometimes it is the ONLY answer that is correct. Screwing the service writer over (those surveys are how his job performance is rated) because nobody tried to be Miss Cleo is BS. Hell, aliens might have been beaming microwaves that focused and concentrated on her belt to cause an early demise. How would that kind of BS help anyone out? As an experienced, rational, educated person, surely you know the importance of attitude in most situations. :lalala:

Again, you don't read thoroughly. I never said to have a bad attitude.

And yes, I don't know is a valid answer, but I usually follow it up by explaining what I checked to give the customer peice of mind that I did not just simply replace parts without checking into everything. And if he did check it all out, and explained that, then great. If not, then he could have been a little more professional and given a little more info than "I don't know".

Again, you resort to childish little comments in some sort of ignorant attack at me. Grow up. You will need to to ever make it in your career or life. There is no need to attack someone simply because they were trying to help someone else. She asked a question and I tried to be friendly and help. For some reason you took to the defensive and decided to get in an uproar. I partially blame myself for defending back against your childish attack and prolonging it. But it is hard not to when someone begins insulting your intelligence without having a clue what you know or even what you are talking about. And as far as attacking my intelligence or education, you have a long way to go, so don't even start.

Hey, I wasn't attacking you childishly or any other way for that matter. If you are truly that thin-skinned there is a new forum for ___ guys and sensitive fellows that might be more to your liking. :rofl: But really, no attack from me. I know you didn't say to have a bad attitude, I was merely stressing the importance for the original poster to have a GOOD attitude. Now for the attack:But it is hard not to when someone begins insulting your intelligence without having a clue what you know or even what you are talking about. And as far as attacking my intelligence or education, you have a long way to go, so don't even start. Why do I have such a long way to go?Do you know me or know my education level? I dont want to hold up the mirror to show you a hipocrite, but you're making it so easy! :rofl: :rofl: If you are truly interested, PM me and I will provide you a copy of my transcripts and resume. As for "ever making it in my career or life" , I feel that I already have. Sure I'm a wise-___, but I really wasn't gunning for you. I never thought you were stupid either. You share good info quite often and everyone appreciates this. Act like ya got a pair and you'll be fine! :rofl: :silly: (I still love you) :P

Hey, I wasn't attacking you childishly or any other way for that matter. If you are truly that thin-skinned there is a new forum for ___ guys and sensitive fellows that might be more to your liking. :rofl: But really, no attack from me. I know you didn't say to have a bad attitude, I was merely stressing the importance for the original poster to have a GOOD attitude. Now for the attack:But it is hard not to when someone begins insulting your intelligence without having a clue what you know or even what you are talking about. And as far as attacking my intelligence or education, you have a long way to go, so don't even start. Why do I have such a long way to go?Do you know me or know my education level? I dont want to hold up the mirror to show you a hipocrite, but you're making it so easy! :rofl: :rofl: If you are truly interested, PM me and I will provide you a copy of my transcripts and resume. As for "ever making it in my career or life" , I feel that I already have. Sure I'm a wise-___, but I really wasn't gunning for you. I never thought you were stupid either. You share good info quite often and everyone appreciates this. Act like ya got a pair and you'll be fine! :rofl: :silly: (I still love you) :P

I rest my case :rofl:

basically to sum it all up. it happends, replace the belt under warranty and drive on after that.

gee i didnt think my post was gonna bring in some posters that felt they needed a topic to come and vent all their built up childhood frustration... i appreciate the people that were tryin to help me out in understanding how this might've happened to my car.. i wasnt expecting anyone to be "psychic" but i was expecting a "scion certified" knowledgable suggestion on how it might've happened, not "oh i dont know but hey fill out this survey and give me and excellent score!!". That is what i was bothered by... so please forgive me for coming on here and asking for some input on this and making it seem like i was "_____ing" that my alternator belt broke on my brand new tC. But i would like to thank engifineer
for KINDLY answering my questions and trying to help me out with my dilemma... also thanks to the other posters that werent on attack mode... for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the balls to ever confront in real life. GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!

gee i didnt think my post was gonna bring in some posters that felt they needed a topic to come and vent all their built up childhood frustration... i appreciate the people that were tryin to help me out in understanding how this might've happened to my car.. i wasnt expecting anyone to be "psychic" but i was expecting a "scion certified" knowledgable suggestion on how it might've happened, not "oh i dont know but hey fill out this survey and give me and excellent score!!". That is what i was bothered by... so please forgive me for coming on here and asking for some input on this and making it seem like i was "_____ing" that my alternator belt broke on my brand new tC. But i would like to thank engifineer
for KINDLY answering my questions and trying to help me out with my dilemma... also thanks to the other posters that werent on attack mode... for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the balls to ever confront in real life. GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!

No problem! I actually should not have even replied to the other posting, cause it just fueled the flames I guess. But I am glad you got the problem fixed! Take care :-)

thanks :)

nice tC by the way!!

for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the balls to ever confront in real life.YOU are the one that made me this way. You said the service writer was nice, quick, complementary and solved your problem and your response was: WTF LOL SO JUST CUZ U COMPLIMENT MY STARS TATTOO'D ON MY EARS AND MY GRAPHICS I'M SUPPOSE TO GIVE U AN "EXCELLENT" RATING???! HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY QUESTION OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME SOME REASONS ON HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... I JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE "R U SERIOUS".. In my book, your attitude sucks ___. Service writers and mechanics don't tend to speculate on the cause of failures when the real cause is unknown. The fact is, you wanted something you could not have (an exact reason the belt broke) and your response was typical spoiled brat bad attitude. As for hiding behind a screen name, my name is Scott Hartford. I don't usually have too much trouble voiceing my opinion to anyone face to face or otherwise. Hopefully you are not a ninja like the last guy! :rofl: You see, I am a Scion-certified master technician and I couldn't hazard a guess myself as to why your belt broke and I am not psychic either. I would tell you "I really don't know", which is the absolute truth and you would be a jackass.So heed your own advice and GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!!! Good day.