Gonna run the 93 map and Shell v-power. Tweaked for TRD CAI and Borla mods.

Gonna run the 93 map and Shell v-power. Tweaked for TRD CAI and Borla mods.

Although I doubt you will, try dynoing it before you install it then after you install it. Otherwise, this thread doesn't leave much to say...

I'd like too, but the dyno's around here have dried up. Ill try and see if I can find one.

I'd like too, but the dyno's around here have dried up. Ill try and see if I can find one.

Yeah, hopefully. Although unichip provided a dyno, it is sketchy at most. Other than that, all the others who have installed it (not many) have said that they FEEL a gain, but that's not always accurate as it can be anything, especially a placebo effect.

Agreed. I did see some before and after's with tC superchargers, but the numbers are prob much great than youd see on NA.

Agreed. I did see some before and after's with tC superchargers, but the numbers are prob much great than youd see on NA.

Yeah the skepticism lies in the fact that its easy to gain power through tuning on cars with Forced Induction, but when it comes to natural aspiration....I don't feel you can gain much. I recall the dyno on the unichip website not only being in crank HP, but also a comparison of a stock car vs a car with bolt ons and unichip. That doesn't make too much sense since the bolt ons themselves add a bit of power. I know the unichip is meant to help the potential of those bolt ons, but it's not right to say the unichip adds XX WHP unless they compare bolt ons to bolt ons + unichip.

Found a place that all the round track racers use, that I did not know was still open. They are, and have a dynojet. I'll be getting the baseline done tomorrow at 9am. It's $80, I get 3 runs and they check to see if its running rich/lean. Ill then reset the ecu next week when the Unichip comes in, run a few tanks of 93, and then head back over there. Baseline tomorrow will be with TRD CAI, Borla and 87 octane ethanol free Chevron. Will prob run eth free Chevron 93 for the chip test to be fair.

Excited to hear about this!!!

Where did you buy the chip?

Post up dynos soon

i think the unichip was made to get the full potential out of your bolts on's,some say they feel little to no gain,others sayed they gained about 10 whp with a tune,im not sure,i just wish when they sell these things they have dyno graphs before and after the install with different bolts ons and such

Yeah, I figure it's time to put the rumors to rest and put up some facts. Ill dyno the car as is tomorrow at 0900, and will post dyno's tomorrow when I get home. I figure 2-3 weeks to get thru a couple of 93 octane tanks, then will run another dyno.

I got it from Sparks Toyota

i think the unichip was made to get the full potential out of your bolts on's,some say they feel little to no gain,others sayed they gained about 10 whp with a tune,im not sure,i just wish when they sell these things they have dyno graphs before and after the install with different bolts ons and such

My order specifically requested a tune for TRD CAI and Borla catback. For the price, I'd like to see 5-10 hp at the wheels.

My order specifically requested a tune for TRD CAI and Borla catback. For the price, I'd like to see 5-10 hp at the wheels.

yup at least 10 im hoping for

My order specifically requested a tune for TRD CAI and Borla catback. For the price, I'd like to see 5-10 hp at the wheels.
Personally, I'm hoping for +10 HP for you, seems like +5 would be a little underwhelming :(! (Course, that's just me :).)

Yeah, for the price. I know they claimed 14hp at the engine, so we'll see. if I got 8-10, id be happy. Be curious to see what my baseline is tomorrow.

Watching with great interest.

Well, here is the car on the dyno, in case some genius tries to doubt me later.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/NewImage.jpg

Dyno sheet coming shortly

Here ya go. 81 degrees on car temp readout, and we tried two types of run. First was 3rd gear and starting at 3500, and then 2nd gear starting at 3500. He said it was more smooth with the 2nd gear start. It put a grin on my face during the 3rd gear run, because when I left off the gas at 6500 rpm's, I was doing 114 mph :)

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/IMG.jpg

Wow, and that's wheel measurements with the Borla Dual catback and TRD CAI! I like how smooth and balanced the HP and Torque are over the range. Nice :)!

Yeah, he thought it was good for an auto, because he asked me what the stock numbers were. I don't really know either way :), its like looking at stereo instructions to me. The smooth line is why we stuck with the 2nd gear run. The 3rd gear run was not as smooth.

Well hopefully you get your money's worth on the unichip. But definitely let us know...

I'm off 4 days every other weekend, so I intend to hit the dyno again on 5/21.

Yeah, he thought it was good for an auto, because he asked me what the stock numbers were. I don't really know either way :), its like looking at stereo instructions to me. The smooth line is why we stuck with the 2nd gear run. The 3rd gear run was not as smooth.

Wow! Your results mirror those of Import Tuner when they tested similar bolt-ons on a RS-5. They got 125.7 whp and 128 ft lbs stock and 135.6 whp and 138.9 ft lbs with the AEM CAI and TRD axle-back. It's often said that you can't compare results from different dynos but these results are very close. Basically you've gained 9 whp and 9 ft lbs with those bolt-ons.

Import Tuner RS-5 dyno testing (http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/impp_0810_2008_scion_xb_rs5/index.html)

Ah, cool. I forgot about that article, and was wondering what the car maybe was without the mods.I hope the chip is about a 10hp bump.

Are you going to try the standard 87 octane map and the 91-93 octane map, or just one of them?

I'm gonna dyno the 93 map, since it is supposed to be most aggressive and 93 Shell V power is what I intend to run.

i'll be watching have my doubts but this should tell all

definately hoping it works and gets more than 10 hp gain

From what Ive seen in the tC forums, it adds power, the question will be just how much.

Chip will arrive this Friday, so that sets up the dyno for next Friday.

good luck, let us know...

Awesome@!

Ok, here it is. I was VERY surprised at how professional the packing was (reminded me of how a nice new flatscreen comes), and the build quality appears to be top notch. Lets hope it costs as much as it does because it performs as well as it looks.

Pointers:

They do not give you enough velcro, so buy more. Also have zip ties and electrical tape on hand. I am running map B, which is more aggressive and the switch is set to ON (I).

After thinking, Im gonna do 2-3 runs with the switch on, and with the switch off, just to see.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/IMG00008-20100514-1501.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/IMG00010-20100514-1815.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/IMG00011-20100514-1816.jpg

prolly been asked but can this raise the limiter? I want mine to go to about 6700-6800 nothing major.

I dont think so, just the speed limiter.

Good luck let us know asap!!!!

Ive done some playing on the hwy the last two days. When cruising at 70, then pushing down the petal to get a downshift, the car seems to zip to 100 pretty quick. In the 3k rpm and higher range, the car feels quicker, but we'll see for real this Friday.

any news on this? If this works, Im going to wait on wheels and buy this and get a tune!
please keep us updated buddy!

Thanks!

Still trying to get to dyno Friday. If not, it will be next Wed. It IS coming :)

any news on this? If this works, Im going to wait on wheels and buy this and get a tune!
please keep us updated buddy!

Thanks!

The beauty of the PnP Unichip is that it comes pre-tuned for your IHE bolt-ons. As long as you're not changing cams or boosting, you shouldn't have to re-tune it.

I still wonder how this thing works. The engine harness go into the PnP, the cables out of the PnP to the OEM ECU. Wire also runs from PnP to chip.

Does the PnP just allow the chip to take over the programming and sends one set routine to the car, with a more aggressive timing plan?

I guess the Unichip just takes the max timing of what Toyo has done and takes it higher. There also must be some control left in the ECU's hands, because they say knock sensors may retard the timing on 93 on some cars. I wonder if this engine was kicking the knock sensors in, would you get a CE light?

The beauty of the PnP Unichip is that it comes pre-tuned for your IHE bolt-ons. As long as you're not changing cams or boosting, you shouldn't have to re-tune it.

Oh man, I didnt know that!
Thanks you!

I still wonder how this thing works. The engine harness go into the PnP, the cables out of the PnP to the OEM ECU. Wire also runs from PnP to chip.

Does the PnP just allow the chip to take over the programming and sends one set routine to the car, with a more aggressive timing plan?

I guess the Unichip just takes the max timing of what Toyo has done and takes it higher. There also must be some control left in the ECU's hands, because they say knock sensors may retard the timing on 93 on some cars. I wonder if this engine was kicking the knock sensors in, would you get a CE light?

The Unichip is a piggyback much like the AEM FIC and Greddy eManage units. It intercepts and modifies certain signals going into the ECU to advance or retard ign timing, alter MAF signals, etc. The ECU still controls the ign timing but the Unichip can add or subtract from it. If there is knock, the ECU will pull some timing. If it is severe enough, you'll get a CEL.

I strongly considered replacing my FIC with a Unichip but decided against it because of the cost of the tuning software and/or cost of getting it tuned professionally. I also never found a good Unichip tuner in my area with a lot of Scion/Toyota experience. I ended up spending a small fortune on the Dezod APR-X1 which is more of a hybrid between a piggyback and a standalone system.

BTW, anyone interested in getting a FIC with a PnP harness for less than the cost of the Unichip, PM me. I'm selling my $500 harness and $300 FIC for $500. The FIC is more capable and better suited to boosted apps but requires tuning. Tuning software is included, unlike the Unichip where it costs $300 extra.

You ever dyno the AEM. I guess I need a scan guage to see if it ever pulls timing under load?

i think the unichip was made to get the full potential out of your bolts on's,some say they feel little to no gain,others sayed they gained about 10 whp with a tune,im not sure,i just wish when they sell these things they have dyno graphs before and after the install with different bolts ons and such


^^ I feel ya on that... I've seen other threads on the topic of unichips. It would be nice if the companies that make it would have the balls to state actual numbers, not what someone "might" see for gains...and back it up with dyno charts. That way we'd know if the gains the average person with the same test setup the company used will get the same result. Granted the end user may tweak their ride with different parts, but if we had a true baseline, we'd all know the potential at the start. Then we'd know if it is truly worth the price these companies ask for this kind of part.

^^ I feel ya on that... I've seen other threads on the topic of unichips. It would be nice if the companies that make it would have the balls to state actual numbers, not what someone "might" see for gains...and back it up with dyno charts. That way we'd know if the gains the average person with the same test setup the company used will get the same result. Granted the end user may tweak their ride with different parts, but if we had a true baseline, we'd all know the potential at the start. Then we'd know if it is truly worth the price these companies ask for this kind of part.
Maybe I misunderstood something here, but Unichip does post actual dyno results on their website:

http://www.unichip.us/vehicle/vehicles/3419-2008-Scion-XB-24L

http://www.unichip.us/system/uploads/assets/Dyno%20Sheets/2.4%20xB%20dynosheet.pdf

You ever dyno the AEM. I guess I need a scan guage to see if it ever pulls timing under load?

Nah, I was waiting to get my tune 100% but discovered along the way that the FIC is a bit lacking for AT cars. It seems to work much better with MT cars. It wouldn't add much to a NA engine either unless you raised the compression. The FIC can't advance timing, only retard it. It's mainly for boosted engines.

You'll need a scan tool with data logging to see your timing and any knock conditions. It's a great tool to have. You can read CEL codes, clear them, monitor about 80 different engine sensors/conditions, log timing, EGT, fuel trims, ECT, IAT, VE, etc, etc. You can see live or logged data in raw data view, graph form, tables and charts, min, avg, max, etc. It's amazing how much you can monitor and log with good OBD2 software. You can also check the operating condition of your O2 sensors.

If you have a netbook or laptop, you can get a ELM327 clone OBD2-USB interface for $40 and Palmer ScanXL is sweet software for about $80. OBD2 Pros also have nice scan tools and software but I'm sold on Palmer ScanXL Pro. It even has dyno and drag strip functions that work pretty well.

Maybe I misunderstood something here, but Unichip does post actual dyno results on their website:

http://www.unichip.us/vehicle/vehicles/3419-2008-Scion-XB-24L

http://www.unichip.us/system/uploads/assets/Dyno%20Sheets/2.4%20xB%20dynosheet.pdf


:clap: :bow:

Ill have to look into those laptop applications. Ive tried to lug the engine several times, with the windows up and radio off, and I have not heard knock. Most of the time you can hear it if its there, but I wouldnt mind making sure.

http://www.unichip.us/system/uploads/assets/Dyno%20Sheets/2.4%20xB%20dynosheet.pdf

wow 171.6
tq:173.7
thats pretty damn good for an xB..

But since I have a tenzoR and ebay knockoff catback will that differ the outcome?
also, if I buy this chip, then get a different exhaust will that change things?

Id wait till I doublecheck those results. Plus those numbers are at the flywheel, not wheels.

http://www.unichip.us/system/uploads/assets/Dyno%20Sheets/2.4%20xB%20dynosheet.pdf

wow 171.6
tq:173.7
thats pretty damn good for an xB..

But since I have a tenzoR and ebay knockoff catback will that differ the outcome?
also, if I buy this chip, then get a different exhaust will that change things?

As I said in one of the few post at the beginning of this thread, those dyno results are not really "legit". it's in crank HP, and if it is, it pretty much shows that the unichip does nothing. 171.6 HP/173.7 TQ with bolt ons and the unichip tune, compared to stock which is 158 HP/Blah blah. Dyno results have shown that the bolt ons alone add that much power, to the WHEELS. Either that xB is really weak or that dyno is BS.

Also, your Tenzo R intake will not effect it much. Most intakes are just piping with a filter, and although your filter may be low quality, it does not mean it will flow badly. It means it will filter badly. Intakes are NOT complicated. Also, the eBay knockoff catback might be slightly better than the TRD axleback, because it replaces the mid section, but as far as i know, it is slightly crush bent and the inner diameter is similar if not slightly larger than stock, so your mileage may vary.

As I said in one of the few post at the beginning of this thread, those dyno results are not really "legit". it's in crank HP, and if it is, it pretty much shows that the unichip does nothing. 171.6 HP/173.7 TQ with bolt ons and the unichip tune, compared to stock which is 158 HP/Blah blah. Dyno results have shown that the bolt ons alone add that much power, to the WHEELS. Either that xB is really weak or that dyno is BS.

Also, your Tenzo R intake will not effect it much. Most intakes are just piping with a filter, and although your filter may be low quality, it does not mean it will flow badly. It means it will filter badly. Intakes are NOT complicated. Also, the eBay knockoff catback might be slightly better than the TRD axleback, because it replaces the mid section, but as far as i know, it is slightly crush bent and the inner diameter is similar if not slightly larger than stock, so your mileage may vary.


Well I didn't like the Tenzo R filter so I bought the AEM dry flow filter, a few of my friends recommended it because its so easy to clean.

Well I didn't like the Tenzo R filter so I bought the AEM dry flow filter, a few of my friends recommended it because its so easy to clean.

Well, then your intake is no different from an AEM CAI.

Well, then your intake is no different from an AEM CAI.


Just a TenzoR sticker on a pipe :rolling:

If this does have any gains I may consider it, but $500 is pretty pricey, well see :icon_juggle:

So, any dynos? :)

Nah, I was off on Thu and Fri, but too many obligations. I am, however, going to call them Monday for a Wed 0900 appointment. Stay tuned!

Nah, I was off on Thu and Fri, but too many obligations. I am, however, going to call them Monday for a Wed 0900 appointment. Stay tuned!

Nice.

Nah, I was off on Thu and Fri, but too many obligations. I am, however, going to call them Monday for a Wed 0900 appointment. Stay tuned!

Well???

Guy at work got in car accident Mon night (I was on 3-11 M-W), so I had to go to day shift. Im stuck here till my 4 days off, which starts next Thu :(

damn. well keep us informed.

Should be this Thursday. Im off 4 days, and no reason I cant make it this time.

Guy at work got in car accident Mon night (I was on 3-11 M-W), so I had to go to day shift. Im stuck here till my 4 days off, which starts next Thu :(

Ish happens... I hope the guy is okay and although we're all anxious to see the results, I'm sure we all understand that you have more to do than dyno test stuff for our enjoyment. Thanks for spending your time and money to test the Unichip.

Hehe, yeah he's fine, just sore. I'm anxious too, so hopefully we'll see some results. Temp here has increased dramatically, so I dunno what thatll do, but I noted the temp on the first dyno, and will note the temp this time.

Hehe, yeah he's fine, just sore. I'm anxious too, so hopefully we'll see some results. Temp here has increased dramatically, so I dunno what thatll do, but I noted the temp on the first dyno, and will note the temp this time.

Higher temp = less power, but it might not be noticeable or significant

Yeah I know, and Im sure there is a correction. The first was one 81 degrees, and I imagine this one will be closer to 90. I may pick Dan Gardner's brain after the run and see what he thinks. Since this will be a deciding factor for me, and Im sure many others, I want it to be fair, either way.

anybody know a southern cali dyno spot? i have the unichip also and some bolt ons.. id like to put forth some info that will help the cause.. i think the unichip helps from wat i can tell from a butt dyno =p

anybody know a southern cali dyno spot? i have the unichip also and some bolt ons.. id like to put forth some info that will help the cause.. i think the unichip helps from wat i can tell from a butt dyno =p
You will usually get better responses to regional questions in the regional forums. This was from a "dyno shops" search in the Pacific South regional forum:

http://scionlife.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1785921

You will usually get better responses to regional questions in the regional forums. This was from a "dyno shops" search in the Pacific South regional forum:

http://scionlife.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1785921

Good idea. Also call local engine shops and speed shops.

Dyno set up for 0900 tomorrow. Two runs on 87 map, and two runs on 93 map.

Sweet!

Good stuff, awesome R&D from a non unichip guy :P

Should be interesting to see. We'll finally put this puppy to bed.

Im verrrry interested to see how this goes. Ive been debating on buying the UniChip for a long while. I really want to see if I can break 200hp with all the Bolt ons ive added since last year. Expecially the Weapon-R Intake Mani... becuase your supposed to be able to pull a lot of hp out of that thing when turned. My only problem is 500$ is a lot of money to be disapointed lol.

Oh snapskies!

ok its 11:00 already! any info? :shock: Sorry i am impatient.

dyno's usually take more than a couple mins...

dyno's usually take more than a couple mins...

Most people on these forums have never been to one or done one :)

Haha, just got home. Had to change oil too, and the 4 runs took awhile because we let the engine cool in between the two map 0 runs, and the two map 1 runs. Putting the every 100 rpm data into a spread sheet. Over all, its not a huge increase, if you look at max's, but at certain RPM's the diff is pretty huge. Im happy with it. Will have spread sheet up shortly.

1111

Ok, here is the spreadsheet. Between the low and high octane maps, you won't find a lot of difference, but this might not be completely accurate because I ran 93 octane on both, or it may not matter. The high octane does eek out more in areas, and Im running 93 anyways, so Ill stay on that map.

Im happy with the chip in 4000-6000 range, and I'd think against a car without the chip, you'll pull away in the higher rpm's.

As you can see, from the CAI/Borla vs the CAI/Borla/Unichip on the high test map, the highest hp went from 135.3 to 140.6 at the wheels, and the tq went from 128.5 to 138.6. Biggest gains at a certain rpm are 12hp and 13ftlbs at 5000 rpm.

Enjoy and debate.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B3BJaR8KIkNfYTVhNTUxMzEtNmE3Ny00MzlmLTlkNjktOTNjOWIxZTU0OTY0&hl=en

Nice job. The community will def appreciate this. Again nice job.

No problem!

Here are the charts. 4 is CAI and Borla, 6 is low test map, and 8 is high test map. A/F is at bottom of 2nd image, and I have one more sheet for it to post.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/IMG-1.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/IMG1101.jpg

First is A/F ratio for low test map, and 2nd is A/F ratio for high test map.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/1010101.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/jlwhid/20202.jpg

So, stock specs are

158hp at 6000rpm
162ftlb at 4000rpm

Scion Fred said he saw 126hp for stock in a mag, at the wheel. Thats a 20% loss, and comes to stock wheel specs around:

126hp at 6000rpm
130ftlbs at 4000rpm

CAI/Borla/High Test Map have given
141hp at 6000rpm
138ftlbs at 4900rpm

Increased worked back in for flywheel
158 and 162 stock
176 and 172 now, if I did my math right.

Signature updated with peak numbers and rpm's

Thats cool now have them tune it mang! You should see even nicer gains :)

The gains aren't too bad I guess, although who a full exhaust+header may have made those more noticeable. Good to finally see real world #'s.

Yeah, Im gonna do a UDP next, but prob wont dyno. If they get our midpipe made, and I buy one, I may redyno after that. I may get a header down the road, and will dyno then, after a Unichip reprogram. To be honest, Im very happy with the car now, and other than the UDP, am not in too big a hurry on anything else. My only issue with the header is noise, but a larger midpipe will be tempting.

I'm gonna move into exterior mods for awhile, with porbably longo tails, rumion badges, and a rear swaybar.

I think for anyone wanting to enjoy their car a little more, a CAI, exhaust and chip is pretty nice.

CXR header still for sale, $100 shipped. 5-7 hp gain and not loud at all with scuba intact.

Nice gains. I'm sure it sounds sweet now.

Up for sale on Ebay. It's been fun, but after some thinking, Ive decided it's now time to head more in the visual mods direction. Gonna keep the CAI, Exhaust and Pulley, but the Chip goes.

Up for sale on Ebay. It's been fun, but after some thinking, Ive decided it's now time to head more in the visual mods direction. Gonna keep the CAI, Exhaust and Pulley, but the Chip goes.
think this would be worth it for me? i have a catback, and CAI. might be doing a header and mid pipe down the road

Ive been happy with it, I mean the dyno numbers dont lie. It was a 5hp/tq increase over all, but there are several points in the RPM band where it did a LOT more. Starting price on it's 50% of what it costs new, so it's really a lot of bang for the buck. Money I get from it will probably go to Longo Tails. Also, if you dont want to run 93, the 87 gains weren't bad.

I'm not sure what they charge to reflash, but i think its very cheap. Would come in handy for the header.

think this would be worth it for me? i have a catback, and CAI. might be doing a header and mid pipe down the road

It's worth it if you never plan on going turbo down the road, because tuners are rare for the UniChip.

If I went Turbo, I'd sell the Unichip and go with another unit anyways. Talk to ScionFred about that.

yea def not going to turbo or S/C ever. and yea i would run 87. think this would help with fuel economy too? and link to the ebay listing?

I did not see a fuel economy change either way with it, nor with the UDP.

I'll PM you the link, not sure of the rules here.

I think for anyone wanting to enjoy their car a little more, a CAI, exhaust and chip is pretty nice.
So what's the impact on gas mileage?

Up for sale on Ebay. It's been fun, but after some thinking, Ive decided it's now time to head more in the visual mods direction. Gonna keep the CAI, Exhaust and Pulley, but the Chip goes.
Why the change of heart?

I did not see a fuel economy change either way with it, nor with the UDP.

I'll PM you the link, not sure of the rules here.

So what's the impact on gas mileage?

..

BTW, if anyone here wants it, Ill end it for $250.

DIBSs

To those of you still needing an idea on whether to consider getting one of these, after my dyno sheet, there is a difference. FroZone bought it yesterday, so I pulled it and put it inside. On my normal commute this AM, the car does not accelerate like it did, even on normal driving. Def missing a little pep.

Ive been using it for awhile now and had gotten used to it, car feels like a couple of people are in it with me now.

I am sorry for your loss elway i truly am. Every time i rev that engine and rip past lame v6's i will think of you.

Every time i rev that engine and rip past lame v6's i will think of you.

lol.....

Hehe.

To those of you still needing an idea on whether to consider getting one of these, after my dyno sheet, there is a difference. FroZone bought it yesterday, so I pulled it and put it inside. On my normal commute this AM, the car does not accelerate like it did, even on normal driving. Def missing a little pep.

Ive been using it for awhile now and had gotten used to it, car feels like a couple of people are in it with me now.
Very interesting -- thanks :)!

Yeah, did not notice as much the addition, but you notice the subtraction.