Just wanted to start a thread so all those who have experienced issues with either their Competition Clutch disc failing, CC clutch engagement bearing failing (TOB), springs popping out, loose pucks, etc. to please post those experiences. Apparently CC does not seem to know of any "out of the ordinary" issues with their products failing in Scion's, however we at SL seem to know all too well.
Pics are definitely a plus....i'll have mine posted sometime soon, car is currently at the shop having my CC stage 4 replaced after failure on Monday.
From: Curtis
To: melissa@competitionclutch.com
Date: Friday - May 7, 2010 3:39 PM
Subject: Scion tC Competition Clutch Stage 4 Failure
Hi Melissa-
My name is Curtis and I have a 2007 Scion tC. I purchased a Competition Clutch Stage 4 in May/June 2009, had it professionally installed by Lethal Injection Motorsports in Alpharetta, GA. Recently, I’ve started hearing some rotational noise coming from the clutch only when I engage the clutch, once it’s in gear the sound goes away. Well this past week, on Monday, upon driving home the clutch completely failed on me. I could not get my car into any gear, luckily I was only driving to the mailbox at my apartment when the failure happened so I let my car roll to a parking space. My vehicle is not turbo charged, it is stock, the reason why I purchased your clutch was due to the heavier clutch pedal feel that I like. I would like to bring to your attention the number of failures of Competition Clutch on the Scion tC, these re attributed to failing clutch release bearings (throwout bearings) and springs popping out of the clutch disc as well as pressure plate malfunctioning. If you visit Scionlife.com you can search the forum for any number of competition clutch failure threads with pictures. Currently, I’m without my car as a shop is installing my stock clutch back into the vehicle after the Competition Clutch failure in less than a year of ownership. I just wanted to bring this matter to your attention as I will be an advocate against Competition Clutch products from this point on.
Best regards,
Curtis
National Science Foundation Bridge to the Doctorate Fellow
Auburn University PhD Graduate Student
Computer Science and Software Engineering
xxxxxx@auburn.edu
(xxx)xxx-0462
TCpete
05-07-2010, 11:23 PM
they dont know??? THATS BS!!!!!!... i know of plenty of ppl who have complained to them... including myself!!!
ive had 2 clutched blow on me 1 throw out bearing... and the current comp clutch in my car is garbage aswell.. 3rd on in my car and i had to switch over to an OEM throw out bearing because the last one fried in 2k mikes and caused me to buy a new shift fork and almost a new transmission...
heres some related threads to my clutch issues and mishaps with comp clutch!!!
.... there you go for anyone and everyone to read... im not the only one on here with a scion whose had problem and had their clutches fail numerous time on various part...
I WILL NEVER EVER BUY A COMPETITION CLUTCH OR FLYWHEEL EVER... NOR WILL I EVER SUGGEST ONE TO ANYONE EVER AGAIN!!!!!
btw... their clutches are also failng on other cars... 3 of my other friends with hondas and nissans also had the exact same issues with their clutches.... what a shocker!!!!!
ive emailed a few times with no responses and called twice.. nothing!!!!!!!
also for anyone asking the larger venders about comp clutch and their recommendations about it... DONT DO IT and DONT LISTEN!! .... ive been lied to already the last time about fixing my clutch and how the new one i got was "the updated fixed one with no problems guarenteed" ... well guess what happend 2k miles later.... yeahhhhh ... new and improved my arse!!!!
Just wanted to start a thread so all those who have experienced issues with either their Competition Clutch disc failing, CC clutch engagement bearing failing (TOB), springs popping out, loose pucks, etc. to please post those experiences. Apparently CC does not seem to know of any "out of the ordinary" issues with their products failing in Scion's, however we at SL seem to know all too well.
Pics are definitely a plus....i'll have mine posted sometime soon, car is currently at the shop having my CC stage 4 replaced after failure on Monday.
do yourself the life favor right now man... get another brand and try to get your money back!!!!! mines failed so many times and im still stuck with the one i have in the car because i magically got it work but it works like crap and im saving up now to buy another brand and take this one out and throw it in a lake!
PM me if u need help or wana discuss in detail about anything of my case and others.... im so sick of all these CC failure threads
TCpete
05-07-2010, 11:29 PM
BTW in my threads there are others that have come forward and provided pics also!!!!! so just search the thread links i posted...
BTW here pictures of that "new designed super bullet proof and improved i promise everything is new and updated TOB" the large dealer on this site provided for me DIRECTLY FROM COMP CLUTCH THEMSELVES!!!
***EDIT YOU POSTED THE PICS ALREAD ABOVE****
.... you better believe im ____ed off at alot of ppl right now even though its been months!
btw the clutch disc pictures you posted all belong to the first one... the second one i havent posted pics i think.
gotta love it how they never returned a message or PM or anything even AFTER the vendor i purchased the clutch from stepped in and VERIFIED the transactions and conversations took place....
.... take pride in customer service.... give me a break!
ecko04
05-08-2010, 12:37 AM
A few others whose Comp Clutch failed...I don't have pics
Mine failed too.. also a Stage 4. The springs popped out of the disc... and I'm not sure how well the actual pressure plate is. I guess I'll find out when I put a little more hp on the car.
I sent back the original disc but Competition Clutch never got back to me. I sent a detailed letter explaining the situation and also offered to work with them on a new unit - still no reply. I'm not going to chase them.. I just won't ever use them again - nor will I ever recommend them to anyone else.
My next clutch will be an ACT.
My stage 4 FAILED with less then 4000 miles at 362 345.
Go with clutch masters! as there pressure plate is stronger at stage 4! it should do a better job at holding that power
The release bearing burnt up real real bad for my CC stage 2. It's only a stage 2 and I hardly ever drive as aggressive as I do when I was younger. Stage 1 failed, stage 2 failed, did some damage to second gear, it grinds everytime, guaranteed. The second stage 2 that CC sent me, for free, put my car back on a lift for another month and a half. Lesson to be learned here, CC makes terrible products for our cars. I'm not gonna bash them on everything, customer service is solid. And I'm pretty sure their products are too. But they just don't work for our cars. I've had enough of the clutch problems and went back to an OEM replacement from Exedy. So far so good. So Competition Clutch Inc., Scions aren't your field, stop designing, building, testing and marketing any more products for our vehicle. Very very disappointed.
guitarguru44 (http://scionlife.com/forums/member.php?u=140269) - Competition Clutch Stage 4 also failed
Shaka_Z (http://scionlife.com/forums/member.php?u=155657) - Competition Clutch Stage 4 also failed
rhythmnsmoke - Competition Clutch Stage 4 also failed
Just swap the car over to a 5 speed about 2 months ago and I may of had a clutch fail but im not sure.
I pull up to an intersection and pull it out of gear and drift up to my turn as I go to push in the clutch and push into 1st it didnt go into gear. So I was like what the hell so I pumped the clutch rear quick thinking that mabey I hit a air bubble or something. As I went to pump it I herd a grind/squeel noise and the motor cut out. So I start it up and try to put it in gear so here I am stuck in neutral with a line of cars behind me :flame:
So I just hold pressure against the shifter and the car started to drift a bit. So I was just able to get it out of the intersection. So i go to pump it again and the pedal locks down to the floor I hear the grinding noise again and the motor shut off. So I get out of the car and its smoking and smells like clutch!! So im like what the hell!!! I go and make sure the hydro and the lines to the pedal are all intact which they were.
So just to see I go ahead and try to start the car and I could hear by the way the motor was cranking it had something holding it back. Alos while turning it over I hear that grinding noise again. So finally I make sure the car was on the side of the road enough that it would be out of the way with no problem and lock it and ditch the car!! One lucky thing was that it broke down about 200 yards away from my house so I was able to walk home for the night.
The clutch only has about 1300 miles on it
Had to get another transmission and clutch
ecko04
05-08-2010, 12:57 AM
Well I have Finally gotton tired of this damn Stage 4 Competition Clutch and I am throwing it away. It treated me well but in the end it causes me nothing but problems. It is acting up again and it wont disengage. Hopefully it will decide to work again like it has 2 other times (damn thing has a Mind of its own). So if your in the market for a clutch DO NOT GO COMPETITION nothing but bad news!!!! Go with ACT, CLutchmasters, Exedy, or Falcon. I can not describe my anger and disapointment in this clutch that I heard good things about when I bought it a year ago. I have done research since than and have found nothing but bad things about it. People had the same problem That I have and they swapped it out and the problem was gone forever.......
LOL i was gonna post my pictures but u already did CC ftl
ecko04
05-08-2010, 01:24 AM
It's a testament that the SL "search" feature does work lol
Yo Justin, my clutch was doing the exact same thing your was, when I pressed the clutch pedal, even barely, it felt like I could feel the clutch spinning and one day it just went out and couldn't get my car into any gear so it was either the clutch itself or TOB, either way I had both replaced, i'm picking the car up tomorrow, assuming they don't call and say anything else was damaged.
:doh: I should've changed mine at the same time you installed your ACT, our clutches were probably from the same batch since we basically got them at the same time.
TCpete
05-08-2010, 02:03 AM
It's a testament that the SL "search" feature does work lol
Yo Justin, my clutch was doing the exact same thing your was, when I pressed the clutch pedal, even barely, it felt like I could feel the clutch spinning and one day it just went out and couldn't get my car into any gear so it was either the clutch itself or TOB, either way I had both replaced, i'm picking the car up tomorrow, assuming they don't call and say anything else was damaged.
:doh: I should've changed mine at the same time you installed your ACT, our clutches were probably from the same batch since we basically got them at the same time.
i dont think its a batch problem man... ive had ppl from all over from the past 1.5 yrs if not more give me grief on this issue
ecko04
05-10-2010, 02:48 PM
Here is the response I received from Competition Clutch this morning...
From: "Kyle Cumpton" <kyle@competitionclutch.com>
To: <xxx0016@auburn.edu>
Date: Monday - May 10, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: Scion tC Competition Clutch Stage 4 Failure
Curtis,
I am sorry to hear about what happened with your clutch. If there is any way
that you can send us you clutch kit for us to inspect so we can see what
happened to it for us to further our product quality that would be great and
depending on what happened to the clutch I might be able to get you some
money back or get you a hole new clutch kit and you can do what ever you
please with it. So let me know
I know, like most companies they would rather replace the product that give a refund and if I were to receive a new clutch I could not in good conscience sell it, give it away or use it myself. Anyone know how well Competition Clutch ceramic clutches are for fire wood?
TCpete
05-10-2010, 03:13 PM
thats the same response i got the first time, sent it back... got a new clutch, 2k miles later.. new clutch goes bad... wrote and called and got no resolution... 3rd time the TOB went bad and had to replace it... called and emailed.. no response...
i think im going to be writing to the BBB soon. im telling you now YOU will not be getting money from them. thats en empty promise i got.
ecko04
05-10-2010, 04:04 PM
I already knew no refund would happen, hell I'm just so happy that the shop told me that there was no transmission damage, just TOB failure likely attributed to the springs that came out of the clutch disc.
I'm about to pickup my car and the old parts, take pictures and send back the clutch but I won't be seeking a refund. A refund was never my intention, a replacement isn't my goal either, I just want to bring attention to the issue that their products are worthless and shouldn't be put on any car.
The purpose of this thread is informational not adversarial.
TCpete
05-10-2010, 04:19 PM
they will give u the replacement.. just sell it... might as well try to make ur money back.. it could be hit or miss with the replacement but honestly.. not good though in terms of the %'s... i already PMed CC on here with the thread link.
BlackKnight
05-10-2010, 06:30 PM
I have a Centerforce DF clutch and high recommend it, it has been in the car for 46,000 miles even boosted and track tested without problems.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8200/photo2kvn.jpg
Haha!!! Damm got to it first Curtis. I was going back into my threads to find those pics so that i could post them. LOL
Yeah CC sucks man. I didn't even bother going through warranty with them. I had this clutch on for a little under or over a year and i wasn't even boosted at the time when this happened. Clutch failed on me coming home from work as i was going over the bridge. It did not want to go into any gears except for 3rd in which i had to jam it in there, so for for 15 miles i had to drive all the way home in third trying not to stop and damm near running red lights. They wanted me to send the clutch back so that they can investigate the cause and then if it was a defect they would send me a replacement disc which would've taken a total of about 3-4 weeks. So i just said f*** them and went with F1 Racings stage 3 clutch and fidanza flywheel and haven't had not one issue and still don't. I was skeptical at first because i have never heard of F1 racing but i have to say that i am completely satisfied with their clutch. Even now with me boosted it still holds up and grabs strong.
I will never by a CC clutch or flywheel ever again. Not even if it was given to me for free.
ecko04
05-10-2010, 07:36 PM
Ultimately I think I got off pretty easy, no spring popped out but as you can tell by the pictures it would have over time due to the pieces of metal missing around a few springs. However, that TOB is DONE, that was the ultimate cause of failure.
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tcturbo07
05-10-2010, 07:54 PM
ecko04 How many miles did you have on your clutch when it failed? I have around 12,000 miles and now im worried mine will fail soon to.
ecko04
05-10-2010, 09:41 PM
I probably had about 15,000 to 16,000 on mine over the past 11 months, I drive a lot but baby my car, meaning no drag strips, no street races, etc. I just had mine for the heavier feel. Honestly, I would just get rid of it now before it fails. It's nothing worse than having it towed to the shop with your fingers crossed that the failure didn't damage transmission components. I know people don't have $400+ just to throw at clutch jobs, its a component that shouldn't fail but you'll spend much more if it damages transmission components or the entire transmission. Just play it safe sooner than later. After reading about the CC failures I planned on having mine replaced in mid-June, as you see I didn't make it that far but luckily there was no tranny damage.
tcturbo07
05-10-2010, 10:43 PM
[quote=ecko04;3564710]I probably had about 15,000 to 16,000 on mine over the past 11 months, I drive a lot but baby my car, meaning no drag strips, no street races, etc. I just had mine for the heavier feel. Honestly, I would just get rid of it now before it fails. It's nothing worse than having it towed to the shop with your fingers crossed that the failure didn't damage transmission components. I know people don't have $400+ just to throw at clutch jobs, its a component that shouldn't fail but you'll spend much more if it damages transmission components or the entire transmission. Just play it safe sooner than later. After reading about the CC failures I planned on having mine replaced in mid-June, as you see I didn't make it that far but luckily there was no tranny damage.[/quote
Yea thats a good ideas, I guess i'll be replacing my clutch here soon. Do you recommend a certain brand of clutch?
ecko04
05-10-2010, 11:04 PM
:lol:
Yea thats a good ideas, I guess i'll be replacing my clutch here soon. Do you recommend a certain brand of clutch?
Exedy Stage 2 or ACT, call PTUNING and they'll say the same.
TCpete
05-10-2010, 11:11 PM
yes call ptuning and dont deal with anyone else.
tcchris38
05-10-2010, 11:47 PM
I had one and mine failed before the 1000 mile mark. Although it failed they didnt have a problem giving my money back once I sent the clutch to them.
SoFloTC
05-11-2010, 07:06 PM
my first stage 4 failed hardcore.. the tob went and ____ was smoking and everything.. now i unfortunately have another stage 4 in my car after just selling my twin disc... when i press the clutch to the floor i hear a tiny squeek noise clearly coming from the clutch.. is this the beggining of a spring popping out?
ecko04
05-11-2010, 08:39 PM
my first stage 4 failed hardcore.. the tob went and ____ was smoking and everything.. now i unfortunately have another stage 4 in my car after just selling my twin disc... when i press the clutch to the floor i hear a tiny squeek noise clearly coming from the clutch.. is this the beggining of a spring popping out?
I think you're okay, when you get back on your feet look to get an exedy stage 2 or ACT disc. When you start to hear a rotational noise when you put your foot on the clutch its a sign of the TOB possibly going out, just judging from prior experience.
Cwatz5219
05-11-2010, 09:23 PM
What about SPEC clutches? I've heard that they're pretty good. Once this clutch starts going i plan on getting one of their setups.
ecko04
05-12-2010, 01:05 AM
What about SPEC clutches? I've heard that they're pretty good. Once this clutch starts going i plan on getting one of their setups.
You mean this SPEC clutch?? SPEC FAILURE (http://scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165893&highlight=spec+clutch)
Do yourself a favor and invest in an Exedy stage 2 or ACT
crush02342002
05-12-2010, 01:11 AM
should have called me bro and let me know how it went curtis..i was off on my judgment but looks like not by much...lol
crush02342002
05-12-2010, 01:14 AM
It seems cc changed their spring retainer to fully enclosed on the front than what they used to do. too bad they didnt do that to the back side aswell.
tcturbo07
05-12-2010, 01:26 AM
Is a squeeky clutch common on the competition clutch?
ecko04
05-12-2010, 01:26 AM
should have called me bro and let me know how it went curtis..i was off on my judgment but looks like not by much...lol
I got a new phone, the other died and couldn't pull the numbers out but I was gonna call. You suggested both the springs or TOB so you were right, if the TOB didn't go, the springs felt relatively tight but one seemed to want to maybe come out over time. I like the stiffer feel and how upgraded clutches hold power compared to stock, its much easier to break the tires free in 1st - 3rd even on stock motor but I'm content with the feather soft stock clutch, my shifts are much smoother now lol.
toeveryhour
05-12-2010, 04:15 AM
so glad i didn't go with cc. i actually didn't go with them because of pete's ordeal. lol
ecko04
05-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Is a squeeky clutch common on the competition clutch?
The clutch probably isn't squeaking, if you're pushing the pedal all the way down and you hear a squeak it probably isn't the clutch but rather the infamous clutch pedal squeak. Now if you hear a squeal that's different.
Competition Clutch has obviously gone through a few iterations of this clutch, each supposedly better than the last, sadly each iteration is failure prone, if it isn't the springs are now partially enclosed instead of exposed so that may partially be s solution to the spring issue but clearly the TOB (throwout bearing) is still an issue.
I would be less worried about springs as I would about the bearing. It's not what you want in life so if you used the TOB that came with the clutch, be weary and replace early but some have used an OEM TOB and their CC is holding up fine *knocks on wood*.
BHWAHAHA. jk. i was like wtf i dot' remember showing htat picture
dsil06tc
05-29-2010, 09:04 PM
Well thanks for the advice on not buying a Comp Clutch. My stock clutch is done for right now and is slipping very bad. I just had my car re tuned and have 266 whp and 266 tq at 12 psi and it will not grab at all with the stock clutch. Also I have 93,000 Miles on the car. I was going to get a SPEC Stage 2+ clutch but now I keep here different reviews on those as well. ANY RECOMENDATIONS??? Also could these problems be resulted in the clutches not being broken in properly??? I need some good advice asap I need to get a clutch within the next week.
aen
05-29-2010, 09:05 PM
ACT is good
dsil06tc
05-29-2010, 09:24 PM
The shop that is installing it for me recommended Spec clutches, he stated they never really had any problems with them, just recommend that the break in period is 500 miles. And to make sure that im not boosting or beating on the car during the break in period. I do not want to have issues like TCPete had with his comp clutch, thats why I would like to go with another brand. I do take the car to the drag strip ocassionally and it is a daily driver.
ecko04
05-29-2010, 10:19 PM
Exedy Stage 2
dsil06tc
05-30-2010, 03:01 AM
Exedy Stage 2
Well beside Exedy Stage 2 clutch. I looked at the torque capacity and it shows only 320 wtq. I am right around 300 right now and plan on being over 320 so I want a clutch that can withstand the amount of tq the car is going to have. I was thinking of going with a Spec Stage 2+ clutch.
ecko04
05-30-2010, 05:55 AM
Once again Exedy Stage 2, it'll be plenty enough, even with you "planning" to be over 320.
t_C
06-14-2010, 11:11 PM
I'm not coming on here to bash CC or any other clutch manufacturer, but I would like to point out that there may be another underlying issue. I would gladly hear out the opinion of some subject matter experts from Dezod and anyone else on that level.
Here's some photos of the ACT street clutch pulled from my car today! Don't get me wrong, I loved the feel and performance of the unit (kit TY4-HDMM which includes the 2000604 clutch disc), but I certainly have a bad feeling concerning shock loads and the ability of the steel stamping to withstand them in the tC.
Same failure mode as the 'cheap' CC clutches, and you can see evidence that EVERY flange had some level of stress fracture. The unit has seen ~40K miles of spirited driving with no track time whatsoever. The friction material looks almost new, well except for all the scoring caused by the flange that went for a wild ride.
Here's a caption for each of the attached photos:
(or view them HERE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42515603@N04/4701591864/in/set-72157624276645272/))
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42515603@N04/4701590356/in/set-72157624276645272/
0101 - flange lodged between hub and friction disc, LH side of photo flange shows a stress crack (pressure plated side)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42515603@N04/4700957945/in/set-72157624276645272/
0102 - shows the flange I would consider next to fail (pressure plate side)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42515603@N04/4700957945/in/set-72157624276645272/
0103 - shows the flange that did fail, and the spring that was trying to escape, and damaged the flywheel/bolts (flywheel side)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42515603@N04/4701591864/in/set-72157624276645272/
0104 - shows scoring to the inside of the flywheel and witness marks on the bolts
I have emailed ACT tech, but wanted some additional opinions......so fire away.
TCpete
06-15-2010, 12:42 AM
I would gladly hear out the opinion of some subject matter experts from Dezod and anyone else on that level. emailed ACT tech, but wanted some additional opinions......so fire away.
:rofl: now thats a chuckle....
ive seen that before on an ACT clutch but the power was about 500 whp on drag radials on a daily driven car... every manf has its defects but where not here to discuss act which this is the first time i see it fail on a tc anywhere.... i dont think there really is much of an underlying thing... there plenty of cars that equal the same power and tq as ours and surpass it and they dont have problems.. i dont think the tc is some magic voodoo clutch killer... if not the OEM clutches would explode themselves and thats clearly not a problem for factory clutches...
based on simple findings and opinions from every on here and other scion related forums they've all had problems with comp clutch.. it seems to be more of a know trend of failure then any other brand clutch...
ive seen 1 act (not fail on the tc) and have only know of 1 other case where the clutch masters fx series has broken but this also was an isolated incident with and underpowered car...
defects are gona happen... but with CC it seems like defects are almost expected! their percentages dont look good at all in comparison to any of the other brands.
Hey, that came out of my baby. Very darn unfortunate, cuz the clutch felt very good. It lasted about 7k with no significant problems other than some jerk when releasing the clutch pedal and in gear, as if it was grabing, slipping, grabbing and so on. That CC3 barely got any track time and it got babied. At first I though that I had a problem with the CC 12lb flywheel being warped or something, because the way it felt. But I had the flywheel resurfaced before the install just in case.
Oh well, I have an ACT street with the heavy duty pressure plate now. Feels good, maybe a stiffer pedal feel than the CC3, but I don't think the former used to hold the horses as well as the ACT (slippage). Hope that pic above from the ACT clutch is just a fluke, cuz I'm gonna be....
dsil06tc
06-18-2010, 09:40 PM
Once again Exedy Stage 2, it'll be plenty enough, even with you "planning" to be over 320.
I took your recommendation and got the Exedy Stage 2 Clutch. I got it installed and noticed a big difference over the stock. It has a really stiff pedal feel. I have not been ripping the car around since they recommend the break in period of 750 miles according to their instructions. You think it's best to go by what they say and not rip on the car for 750 miles. I was told by the shop you installed it to make sure I do not boost and do just drive it normally for the amount of time recommended. But anyways I am looking forward to testing it out at the track, hopefully my times will be a great increase over the stock. Also if you have the same set up do you notice a chatter of the clutch starting off from first, or is it just me not used to the clutch yet?
ecko04
06-19-2010, 12:57 PM
Excellent! Breaking it in essentially means don't beat on it. I wouldn't put it through the finger until you've adjusted to the stiffer pedal and driven the recommended distance. The pedal will get a little softer as it settles but it won't have anywhere near the stock feel. You'll be adjusted to it and it'll seem normal to you...at least until you drive another car. You're going to have some clutch chatter, it happens with upgraded clutches, perfectly normal.
dsil06tc
06-19-2010, 01:56 PM
Excellent! Breaking it in essentially means don't beat on it. I wouldn't put it through the finger until you've adjusted to the stiffer pedal and driven the recommended distance. The pedal will get a little softer as it settles but it won't have anywhere near the stock feel. You'll be adjusted to it and it'll seem normal to you...at least until you drive another car. You're going to have some clutch chatter, it happens with upgraded clutches, perfectly normal.
Well that's good to know. Thanks for the advice on this clutch, I keep hearing bad things about other brands, I just did not want to have to drop $1000 on a clutch with install and have it go out within a year. I never really drove a car with a high performance clutch so I am getting used to it now. I was money with the stock clutch but obviously this is a huge difference. Im pumped to take it to the track soon as see how well my times have improved.
TheFantasticG
06-19-2010, 04:23 PM
Well, in keeping with Ecko's attempt to keep information centralized...
I have over 16,000 miles on my Competition Clutch Stage 3. It's seen quite a few runs at the track (1/4 and 1/8 mile tracks) and some abuse on the streets. Other wise, babied.
About three weeks ago I couldn't shift in any gear. I thought TOB or disc. You might be interested to know that I have had this issue since I got the tC with 8 miles on the ODO. Randomly, I will be unable to shift into gear. I have to engage and disengage the clutch a few times to get back into gear. Three weeks ago, the same thing happened, but to a greater extent. So much so that I was about a mile from my house, and when I got there, I put it in the garage it there it sat until I got back. Yesterday Crush came over to help with boost leak down (which we found plenty leaks) and I told him about my car's shifting problem and what has happened in the past. I am lead to believe that there's a problem with my transmission, not my clutch. Crush may believe the same. I would think that if the clutch did fail, it wouldn't magically repair itself and work as it did before the incident three weeks ago.
dsil06tc
06-19-2010, 06:18 PM
It must be the transmission than, if your saying you have had that problem since you first bought the car. Luckily I have not had any issues with mine, I got the car with 1 mile on the odometer and have been using the original clutch until now. I have 93000 miles on the car and beat the hell out of the stock clutch. If you had the issue since day 1 did you ever take it to Toyota to see if they can fix the issue under warranty?
Well, in keeping with Ecko's attempt to keep information centralized...
I have over 16,000 miles on my Competition Clutch Stage 3. It's seen quite a few runs at the track (1/4 and 1/8 mile tracks) and some abuse on the streets. Other wise, babied.
About three weeks ago I couldn't shift in any gear. I thought TOB or disc. You might be interested to know that I have had this issue since I got the tC with 8 miles on the ODO. Randomly, I will be unable to shift into gear. I have to engage and disengage the clutch a few times to get back into gear. Three weeks ago, the same thing happened, but to a greater extent. So much so that I was about a mile from my house, and when I got there, I put it in the garage it there it sat until I got back. Yesterday Crush came over to help with boost leak down (which we found plenty leaks) and I told him about my car's shifting problem and what has happened in the past. I am lead to believe that there's a problem with my transmission, not my clutch. Crush may believe the same. I would think that if the clutch did fail, it wouldn't magically repair itself and work as it did before the incident three weeks ago.
TheFantasticG
06-19-2010, 09:44 PM
I tried a few times, but since I couldn't replicate the problem for them, they refused to warranty it.
It's really odd. Sometimes I go months without it happening. Every once-in-a-blue-moon I just can't shift into any gear. And yes, it has been happening randomly since I got the tC brand new with 8 miles on it back in October 2005.
TCpete
07-01-2010, 05:09 PM
dont mind me.. just posting another comp clutch FAIL!!!!!!!!!
im saving up not to take mines out and their flywheel.... i cant stand it anymore with this BS
BTW this is not my comp clutch.. although i know mine just started failing again for the 3rd time.. and it hasnt been 7k miles...
with as much money as dezod motorsports caused me to drop since my first purchase i could have had a twin disc already by someone else and not have all the problems ive had for the last 1.5 yrs almost..
go figure... the ironies of life
weezyfbayba
07-02-2010, 04:59 AM
i have CM twin disc and works sexy fine :)
TCpete
07-02-2010, 04:49 PM
yea because its not a comp clutch justin lol
dsil06tc
07-02-2010, 05:32 PM
Good thing I did my research before buying a new clutch and went with the Exedy Stage 2 Clutch. I didn't realize that many people were having issues with Comp Clutches. I got my clutch broken in now and I cannot believe how well it handles the power. I could not be more satisfied with it. It does not slip at all when im boosting over 12 psi. So I would have to second that Exedy Stage 2 clutch is a great recommendation for the tC.
davedavetC
07-02-2010, 06:04 PM
i voted "i had one and it failed"'
lol im on my 3rd competition clutch, first one went in 1 year, i got the second cus i thought the first one was my fault, the 2nd one blew up in a week (springs shot out) and they sent me a new one for free (upgraded it to the next level for me for free with free overnight shipping).
the product is junk but i have no complaints about their customer service.
i will not how ever be buying another CC clutch.... ever
dsil06tc
07-02-2010, 06:09 PM
i voted "i had one and it failed"'
lol im on my 3rd competition clutch, first one went in 1 year, i got the second cus i thought the first one was my fault, the 2nd one blew up in a week (springs shot out) and they sent me a new one for free (upgraded it to the next level for me for free with free overnight shipping).
the product is junk but i have no complaints about their customer service.
i will not how ever be buying another CC clutch.... ever
Damn that's gotta suck. Are you having any issues with the 3rd one? If that goes out on you Id go with the Exedy.
TCpete
07-02-2010, 08:19 PM
dave man that sucks.. im on my 3rd also but i will not be taking a 4th for free.. im going to look into getting my friggin money back... and personally flying over to comp clutch and delivering it myself if i dont get money back...
i PMed comp clutch about this thread... what a shock... no one PMed me back or emailed me or posted in this thread NOR the comp clutch thread they created themselves.. F on customer service and F on product..
davedavetC
07-02-2010, 10:15 PM
Yes this one is starting to freak me out but I gotta say the stage 2 is much better than the stage 1. But exedy will be my next one
tcturbo07
07-04-2010, 04:15 AM
This worrys me I had my cc stage 4 clutch for over a year now with about 12,000 miles on it. I feel its just a matter of time before it fails.
TCpete
07-06-2010, 01:11 PM
and this is what happens when u have a comp clutch...
........ i hope they have deep pockets cuz im about to blow it up on them once i fix this for the 4th time in a year and a half or more....
ecko04
07-06-2010, 04:43 PM
Only resellers have a chance of getting the seriousness of this across to Competition Clutch. If Competition Clutch sees that their products aren't being offered it will affect their bottom line and will take proactive instead of retroactive steps to prevent it.
*UPDATE* Mike @ PTUNING has pulled Competition Clutches for the tC from their website. He also said PTUNING has yet to sell a Competition Clutch for the tC and usually are seen in S2000 applications with a far less frequent failure rate.
Thanks PTUNING!
tcturbo07
07-06-2010, 05:20 PM
*UPDATE* Mike @ PTUNING has pulled Competition Clutches for the tC from their website.
good to hear
TCpete
07-12-2010, 05:07 PM
im going to post pics of the CC clutch FAILURE AGAIN soon when i get everything together... 3rd time failed.. this time AGAIN for the same reason the first one... faulty cluch springs that came out...
gotta love a 300+TQ rated clutch not being able to handle sub 200 TQ daily driving like a granny for fear it would break...
lets see what CC tells me this time around >=[
DezodDon
07-12-2010, 05:33 PM
with as much money as dezod motorsports caused me to drop since my first purchase i could have had a twin disc already by someone else and not have all the problems ive had for the last 1.5 yrs almost..
go figure... the ironies of life
Pete,
I'm not sure why we are the bad guys here? How does this make sense?
We didn't put a gun to your head. You ordered your clutch, flywheel and mounts on 7/14/08 from us. We gave you free shipping as well.
We didn't make the clutch. Competition has stepped up to the plate by making some changes to the clutches. However they have failed.
We spoke to the rep each and every time you have had problems on your behalf. We convinced them to send you a replacement clutch on the last warranty when they weren't going to send you one at all. I understand your frustration but please don't take it out on us. We do what we can to help our customers. And if it weren't for us you wouldn't have received a replacement at all, even if it was crap.
We went the extra mile for you. So why are you trying to make us look like _______s?
We have a very good long standing relationship with CC. Until they can get their product straight we have removed the ability to order it off of our website, instead you must call and we can discuss the possible issues you might have. Then if you really have to have it then so be it.
TCpete
07-20-2010, 02:16 AM
when YOU guys talked to comp clutch i was promised all the issues and flaws in the design were taken care of... I was told 8 months after my purchase when the original one had failed they had revamped the design of the throw out bearing and the clutch disc... ok great.. i get a new clutch....
when YOU guys got me the replacement clutch paul had told me the "NEW" throw out bearing design was better, stronger, and more reliable then the "old" design i got... well its funny i was promised all this and that i wouldnt have any other issue... but only 2k miles later this "NEW THROW OUT BEARING" design IT FAILED!
i still have it all wrapped up in a nice bag for you guys if you and comp clutch wana play some tossing games on a coke bottle if you want?
so fine i was in a pinch and decided to keep the disc and pressure plate after this colossal fail and BUY A NEW CLUTCH FORK because the old one had roasted itself and buy an OEM throw out from toyota and put the car back together because i had no time and no more patience for dezod to get me another cluth/throw out bearing any anything period for that matter because frankly why should i believe you guys 1 more time after the first debacle.
everything got installed.. i was able to drive again... and 5k miles later.. GUESS WHAT?! ... this new improved clutch design blew on me AGAIN!!!! ...and this new design LASTED HALF THE LIFE of the other one... in fact... the original pressureplate and clutch felt better, and was stronger then this new design...... GO FIGURE!!
aint that something????? ... so now we have in under 7k miles.. a grenaded throw out bearing and a clutch disc that was gabage even after i was told "yea yea pete dont worry CC took care of alllll the issues and you should be good"..... REALLY??????????????? .... MY 40K mile stock clutch looked brand new and better then this after 40-45k miles... luckily i saved it and my stock flywheel and was able to fix this issue IN THE POURING RAIN!! because i needed the car fixed to go to work the next day after. so if your wondering why it has some rust its because when your fixing a car in a monsoon that is south florida under the gun you dont have to worry about rust or if parts get a little wet... its done.. the car moves.. its sucks... but crap happens and u move on...
oh and lets not go there with what paul made me do and say about this "new clutch" when i got it in order for me to get it... becuase i have all those PMs saved and i can open up a big can of worms if i want to right now....
even the flywheel i was told when i complained about issues it was causing i was told it was normal.. which I KNOW they werent... and after inspecting my starter a few times.. i dawned on me.... I also dont know how you spoke to the rep the last 2 times since they've switched reps and they really havent responded to their feed back thread at all and also havent responded to emails or PMs ive sent even on here... if you guys were doing back talk on the 2nd and 3rd time how come no one told me anything???? again im not buying this.
BTW i got free shipping because i bought about 800 bucks practically worth of parts... so yea you made your money and shipping from upstate NY wasnt much to FL....
oh yea.. my master cylinder blew out also from the oring on the push rod being worn to hell from me having to adjust the clutch every other week when the first one's inconsistant pedal feel had to be readjusted in order for me to even drive or get the car in gear because one day it was good and the next day it felt like stock or finicky... but im willing to let THAT slide because MC's with strong PP's system can fail...
so yea.. after all the lies, and empty promises and failures and TONS of EXTRA CASH ive had to fork over to fix this issue 3 times... you better believe i have a huge chip on my should about dezod and CC when i called and complained about my issues and i was told "OH YEA ITS NORMAL" ... wow i guess its normal for clutches to explode like this also correct???.... i honestly wish you guys DIDNT give me a new clutch because had it broken on me the first time.. i would have and should have gone with someone else.. NO i stayed faithful to comp clutch and dezod because you guys got me the other clutch but had i called them on my own like many of my friends have when their clutchs blown im sure i could have gotten a replacement also.. hell i did it for one of my friend with a honda and tc and it was pretty easy.. only they sold their replacements and went other routes and wow.. no problems yet for them....but i stayed faithful to you guys and CC and look were its gotten me!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!.... so over 1.5 yrs roughly, almost under 25k miles and over $1300 bucks later in original parts/ new parts to replace broken ones, labor to my buddies to help me out in pinch situations, tow trucks, and etc etc etc.... ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH....
I understand your frustration. That sounds like a ____ storm of issues. I feel for you really I do, I work on cars for a living. I know how it goes and I know that sometimes manufacturers are not as reputable as the masses make them seem. Any and all information given to you from me, was what was directly told to me from CC. I cannot speak for paul and I won't. I can and will only go on the information that is passed on to me from my rep. I didn't design the clutch, nor did I manufacture it. Yes we are the middle men, and as middle men we did everything we could do to aid in you getting taken care of. I'm really sorry you had such a bad experience with CC and I'm sorry if that leads you to have a bad taste in your mouth with us. I'm sorry you ended up with wasted money and wasted time and most of all wasted patience.
I guess between all of this we have all learned that CC sucks and that's the end of it. If it were up to me I would remove their parts from the website and ____ on them because I don't believe in selling something that is faulty or going to give someone problems down the road.
I wish that the performance community would understand that it costs good money to go fast reliably. It's unfortunate that the majority does not, I'm not speaking about anyone on here, our customer base consists of many forums. Either way, life lessons learned.
Again Pete, I'm really sorry for your problems.
DezodDon
07-21-2010, 02:07 PM
Pete,
Do you have a stainless steel clutch hose or stock hose?
paul_dezod
07-21-2010, 03:27 PM
Pete,
Any and all information given to you from me, was what was directly told to me from CC. I cannot speak for paul and I won't. I can and will only go on the information that is passed on to me from my rep. I didn't design the clutch, nor did I manufacture it. Yes we are the middle men, and as middle men we did everything we could do to aid in you getting taken care of.
Don & Pete,
Don, you are right for not speaking on my behalf. I do not want anyone doing so. I will speak my side right here for all to view.
Pete, the information that I relayed to you was from our rep at CC, whom no longer works there AND from the owner of the company. Am I to doubt their word? After all, they work for and own the company, I do not. So, the information that I received was poor, therefore your communication received was poor. If they provided me with that information, how was I supposed to know otherwise? With this being said, I suppose it's a case of garbage in, garbage out. I am sorry Pete and there is nothing I can do to change the harm CC has done with their products to you. I have the original email(s) correspondence with some of the people there when I was handling the replacement for you. I kind of had a feeling this may have been coming back to haunt me, and I was correct. So luckily, here are snippets....
This is from Pete's original correspondence to me
- premature pressure plate fade (loosing its strength way to soon into the clutches life)
- blown springs from the disc
- TB chatter that is almost null and to hard to fix
- idle chatter or chatter after a brisk run that only stop when pressing down on the clutch and letting go again
- inconsistent clutch perfomance (some day grabbing well and feeling like a stg4 other days slipping in gears and feeling softer then an oem one grabbing)
- constant pedal adjustments to compensate for the clutch engagement performance
Response from our rep, whom no longer works there...
"I currently have the best part available on the market for Scion tC’s. Our materials are just as if you would find anywhere else and our build materials are better than most everyone on the market. I would require pictures of the clutch sent to *****@competitiontclutch.com and we will make a decision as far as warranty or not from there."
I then spoke to both of them and the owner on the phone whom spoke about a new shipment coming with a re-designed plate, disc and a new bearing....As a matter of fact, the original bearing they used had fitment issues on about 5/10 cars. Jeff in LA was one of the first to experience this back in 2007. Then I went up the food the chain for Pete to get the unit warrantied to the owner. He did not want to warranty it. He wanted to charge Pete about half of the cost of the unit, I refused to do so, played hard ball and got it done for Pete. Here are snippets of the emails tracked back and forth...
From the owner at CC
"Sell him a new kit at -50%"
My response
"Can it be replaced for free under warranty?.....Have I asked for anything like this in the past 2-3 years of business? Of course not! This is a unique circumstance with a good customer...I would not have even asked about it if I did not feel good about it. Especially with the circumstances.
I spoke to the customer, however the old one back first is not going to happen as it's his DD. He said it may be a week or 2 before the old one gets back to you due to his work schedule. Is this acceptable?"
About 2 days later, your warranty was fulfilled from a company whom did not want to service you at all and/or charge you 50% off the retail for a replacement. They wanted to turn their backs on you and say you where smoking crack. I stepped up to the plate for you as a valued customer (mind you and others, this was Pete's first and only purchase from us; it was not like he had spend $1000s with us. To be exact Pete, you order was $738.50, and not any more) and I went to bat for him. The same I would do for ANY of our customers and this is the thanks I get for it. Bashed time and time again.
I am not looking for sympathy from anyone. I am not looking for anything but understanding from Pete and only you Pete. We where not the villains at all in this equation. I am not sure what you THINK happened, but this is EXACTLY what happened behind the scenes. It was not your knowledge or anyone elses to know any bit of what transcribed, but this has gone too far for too long. So this is all of the dirt on the table.
Edit: Shipping on your order was $27.52 FYI
09TC5M
07-22-2010, 05:30 AM
As a Mechanic, Reliability Analyst, and Data Manager for a major airline I see this type of BS from manufacturers and repair stations all the time. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear to get you off their backs and even when you present documented evidence of an issue they try to shift the blame or say its an isolated issue.
I had already intended to buy an ACT clutch when the time came, but thanks to Pete and all of the other members who have taken the time to share pictures and details of the failures, I will not be going near a Comp Clutch product.
With respect to Dezod, I can find no fault in their actions, especially now that I've seen the correspondence between them and CC. I'm also glad to hear that they have removed the option to purchase CC products until there is good reason to believe the issues have been corrected.
I have had nothing but issues with my tC, and Toyota has fought me on every issue. I have never seen a car company work so hard not to stand behind their warranty, especially a Toyota Platnum 110K mile warranty which I purchased after my Transaxle failed. I've actually given up on getting many of the issues resolved and I've made the decision to just take care of them myself. Maybe that was their goal, frustrate you until you fix it yourself.
Anyway even after all the sh*t I've been through, seeing the pictures of these failures makes me thankful that none of my parts failed in a catastrophic manor. I just hope that those of you that have had failures will be able to get a refund or at least some money back from CC.
paul_dezod
07-22-2010, 03:42 PM
Also, if fighting for Peter to get a replacement for free is a crime, we are guilty. Consequently, Peter has been offered the opportunity to get a clutch from another manufacturer, but it's his choice on what he wants to do.
I go to bat for my customers ALWAYS. I have and always will. It disgusts me to see us get crucified for going an extra mile to HELP a customer and then to get slammed for it. Actually, it's discouraging and quite frankly ridiculous.
ecko04
07-22-2010, 04:19 PM
Quite frankly this was not the idea of this thread. It was to discuss the problems with Competition Clutch after their "alleged" fix. This was not to condemn any reseller as they do not make the clutch or any of the clutch components.
paul_dezod
07-22-2010, 04:24 PM
Quite frankly this was not the idea of this thread. It was to discuss the problems with Competition Clutch after their "alleged" fix. This was not to condemn any reseller as they do not make the clutch or any of the clutch components.
I concur, however Pete feels we are at fault and I am not sure why. Read his sig!
Next his Energy mounts we sold him will crack or something then we will get blamed for that too.
TCpete
07-22-2010, 04:59 PM
I am leaving today to costa rica in a few moments and just got wind of these last few posts by Don and Pual so i will try my best to address them before i leave in a few more minutes before i board the plane. if not it will have to wait 9 days from now until i get back. So please refrain from making any more posts on this subject until i am able to address the last 2/3 posts.
paul_dezod
07-22-2010, 05:07 PM
I am leaving today to costa rica in a few moments
Lucky! I hear it's beautiful.
TCpete
07-22-2010, 05:09 PM
Pete,
Do you have a stainless steel clutch hose or stock hose?
yes i have a stainless steel clutch line... why Don?
coryjames
07-22-2010, 06:03 PM
I had a cm stage. Lasted 1000 miles then the hub stripped so now I'm usingthe cm stage 5 pp and act disc it is a awesome combo grabs consistent and even after it was broke in no idea what it will hold but holding what I got fine the build quality on the act is way ahead of cc and cm the hub is a lot more solid looking almost looks to strong. Was told by cm that the hub on a stage 5 is made to be weak but its a drag clutch a few launches from a dig on street tires put it down. I would recommend act all day
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DezodDon
07-22-2010, 07:14 PM
yes i have a stainless steel clutch line... why Don?
Research for myself. I'm trying to rule out hydraulic issues and possible causes of chatter. Nothing more nothing less.
DezodDon
07-22-2010, 07:22 PM
The real truth of the matter is that there isn't a clutch made by a single company, with the exception of Exedy, that hasn't had springs pop out of the plate. Spec, CM, CC, they all fall into the same category for me. ACT is a good clutch brand, sometimes too heavy on the pressure plates but otherwise not horrible. I have seen clutch springs pop from these but it's rare. Exedy is the only clutch I have ever seen that did not have this issue. Daikin/Exedy make most clutches for the OEM manufacturers so their products have to stand up.
I would recommend the stage 2 or the twin disc. There really is no in between.
So if you think you're gonna start making some serious power and don't want clutch hassles then it sounds like you're gonna have to pony up a good amount for a twin disc and just call it a day.
(pete obv this has nothing to do with you you weren't making a ton of power, the clutch was just crappy.)
paul_dezod
07-22-2010, 08:01 PM
With respect to Dezod, I can find no fault in their actions, especially now that I've seen the correspondence between them and CC. I'm also glad to hear that they have removed the option to purchase CC products until there is good reason to believe the issues have been corrected.
FYI,
Some denote us as a higher priced retailer. Some of the reasons behind this are the following, and not limited to:
We are a real brick & mortar setup with a staff, numerous phone lines and lots of stuff including equipment etc. Our prices must cover these expensives to service our clients.
We are also a direct dealer of several product lines such as AEM, DC Sports, Tein, GReddy, StopTech, Progress etc. With being direct, many of these manufacturers require a minimum advertised pricing bracket, which we must follow, or we can lose our account with that company. The non-direct dealers can sell at $10 over cost and not worry about reprocussions.
Also, for the outstanding service, many of your know us by, we have 2 people (myself and Don) here 5 days a week, 8 hours/day answering your phone calls, emails, PMs, tech calls in a timely fashion. It's no coincidence that we answer most emails within hours of receiving them. It's because we have a full time customer service force working for you. This is also what you are paying for. A lot of our competitors operate out of their mom's basement, or their living room on the side as a secondary job to their primary source of income. THIS is OUR full time job.
Warrantys are also only serviceable through an authorized dealer, such as us. So, rest assured that if you have an issue, we take care of it. GL with other companies.
Lastly, we service this comunity, day and night, 7 days a week and have been making it breakfast since 2006! We are here, and have shared countless hours of technical expertise and knowledge base that no other Scion related company has. So, be that as it may, you are also paying for that as well.
So there is a lot of VALUE, with your dollars spent here. There is a reason why we are still here, still saught after, still in business AND have been serving the high performance aftermarket since 2002.
I hope this sheds some light on the subject for you.
DezodDon
07-22-2010, 09:22 PM
Well put
RusWolf
07-24-2010, 04:17 PM
Am i glad i'm using ACT clutch.. so far it has been wonderful but i can't really say anithyng much since it's only got about 500 miles on it total including 30+ miles on the dyno braking in the engine and tuning. All i can say is it's taken some abuse right out of the box and so far i'm happy. Pedal feels a little hard, althought i'm used to it already but i think it can be adjusted if i wanted to do so.
On the advise of guys from dezod i paired it up with competition 12lbs flywheel so it will be more comfortable to drive in the city traffic instead of 9lbs flywheel.
As a side question there is NO problems with competition flywheels right ? (if the have a problem with just a plate and bunch of holes in there they should get out of this business)
I know that sooner or later my clutch will die, maybe it will happen in 2 years maybe in 1 or maybe in 3, but when it does i will say hello to Exedy twin-clutch and call it a day. One thing about Exedy (or whoever is #1 on the market at the time) twin clutch is i've read that for our cars they actually do have some kind of issue (rattling or something like that).
DezodDon
07-26-2010, 02:59 PM
Am i glad i'm using ACT clutch.. so far it has been wonderful but i can't really say anithyng much since it's only got about 500 miles on it total including 30+ miles on the dyno braking in the engine and tuning. All i can say is it's taken some abuse right out of the box and so far i'm happy. Pedal feels a little hard, althought i'm used to it already but i think it can be adjusted if i wanted to do so.
On the advise of guys from dezod i paired it up with competition 12lbs flywheel so it will be more comfortable to drive in the city traffic instead of 9lbs flywheel.
As a side question there is NO problems with competition flywheels right ? (if the have a problem with just a plate and bunch of holes in there they should get out of this business)
I know that sooner or later my clutch will die, maybe it will happen in 2 years maybe in 1 or maybe in 3, but when it does i will say hello to Exedy twin-clutch and call it a day. One thing about Exedy (or whoever is #1 on the market at the time) twin clutch is i've read that for our cars they actually do have some kind of issue (rattling or something like that).
The CC flywheel is good, it's a chunk of steel that is machined. It's kind of fool proof so long as it was machined correctly and these things get CNC machined so I wouldn't worry about that.
As for a twin disc, no matter who makes it, they all rattle, it's part of the design. It's a good rattle :P
weezyfbayba
08-01-2010, 07:19 PM
i have the CM fx700 twin disk.. and n it's sexy.. that is all ty
davedavetC
08-01-2010, 10:19 PM
CC CLUTCHES SUCK!!!! mine just blew leaving best buy. Good thing I just ordered my new EXCEDY clutch