WHy do people use this term? Are you trying to imply that the xB is a second gen? I've seen a bB, shortly after their release (in feb 2000, a friends wife got one), and I've seen the 2004 model, and I see NO differences. Automotively generations change with different body styles, the bB has not changed, so what's the deal?

there are changes...from gen 1 to gen 2....

the lic. plate was moved from the lower bumper to the rear hatch...

ther are two washer nozzles on gen2, one on gen1....

and well call it gen 2 because thats how it is refered to overseas.
have you seen the style wagon magazine from japan...it clearly says 'toyota bB no2' ..so gen 2 it is.... our xB's are based on gen 2 bB's

there are changes...from gen 1 to gen 2....

the lic. plate was moved from the lower bumper to the rear hatch...

ther are two washer nozzles on gen2, one on gen1....

and well call it gen 2 because thats how it is refered to overseas.
have you seen the style wagon magazine from japan...it clearly says 'toyota bB no2' ..so gen 2 it is.... our xB's are based on gen 2 bB's
... and the headlights have changed slightly... but all these changes are "facelift" stuff... things that don't constitute a new generation. like the 1996-2000 civics... all are the same gen, even though there were more changes to the car in 99 than was on the bB.... From the sound of how some people talk they think the bB has been around forever... I think one guy sait it came out in 1996 :rofl: I understand that in japan they have "type 1" and "type 2" ground effects, but the only difference in the kits is whether or not there is a place for the plates

Also, the gen 2 bBs have bumpers that are simlar to the US model.

and even though the civics are the same generations from 96-2000

they are referred to as 6th gen A or 6th gen B

as in a being 96-98 and b being 99-00

i would say a facelift would warrant the type 1 or type 2.. because there CLEARLY are differences in the bB's .. whether they are only cosmetic .. having them seperated .. by gen 1 and gen 2 allows people to know exactly what they are dealing with

they did the same thing with the Eagle talons and Eclipses

you had the 89-91 being the 1st gen A ... 93-94 ... 1st gen B ... 95-96 being 2nd gen A and 97-99 being 2nd gen B

it just makes life easier that way for suppliers and car modders alike

and even though the civics are the same generations from 96-2000

they are referred to as 6th gen A or 6th gen B

as in a being 96-98 and b being 99-00

i would say a facelift would warrant the type 1 or type 2.. because there CLEARLY are differences in the bB's .. whether they are only cosmetic .. having them seperated .. by gen 1 and gen 2 allows people to know exactly what they are dealing with

they did the same thing with the Eagle talons and Eclipses

you had the 89-91 being the 1st gen A ... 93-94 ... 1st gen B ... 95-96 being 2nd gen A and 97-99 being 2nd gen B

it just makes life easier that way for suppliers and car modders alike
I completely agree that there are differences, but the differences do not warrent a generation change. now if people would use something similar to the other vehicles that you described, then I could understand, however, the bB and xB do not have a gen 2... the early bBs should be refered to as something different than gen 1 and the latter years/xB should not be refered to as gen 2... as we all know they're will not be a gen 2 xB...

Mainly because the bumper is different, so body kits have to be different.

Yes the Japanese bB came out in 2000 .
But some of the differences I`ve noticed in the TWO , No one has mentioned .
1) the JP has the Shift on the Steering Column , NOT on the floor
2) it also does Not have ANY floorboards in the back . When the back door is open the floor is SUNKEN in , Not the raisable floor/hatch we have to get to the spare or the hidden box .
And the reason I say I drive a bB , is because when I look at the door frame , it says MADE IN JAPAN . And like YOU SAY , it is NO different . So you drive a bB TOO.

Yes the Japanese bB came out in 2000 .
But some of the differences I`ve noticed in the TWO , No one has mentioned .
1) the JP has the Shift on the Steering Column , NOT on the floor
2) it also does Not have ANY floorboards in the back . When the back door is open the floor is SUNKEN in , Not the raisable floor/hatch we have to get to the spare or the hidden box .
And the reason I say I drive a bB , is because when I look at the door frame , it says MADE IN JAPAN . And like YOU SAY , it is NO different . So you drive a bB TOO.

what you said is diff between the JDM market bB's and the USDM market xB's...both of them are considered Gen 2...

so explain what you see is the diff between gen1 and gen2....not JDM and USDM

I guess I only know about the difference between JDM and USDM...
Like the Front seats were basically FLAT where you SAT .
I cant think of anything different between GEN`s .
But have you seen a YEAR 2000 bB model ? Are you Only Comparing 2005`s ?

Yes the Japanese bB came out in 2000 .
But some of the differences I`ve noticed in the TWO , No one has mentioned .
1) the JP has the Shift on the Steering Column , NOT on the floor
2) it also does Not have ANY floorboards in the back . When the back door is open the floor is SUNKEN in , Not the raisable floor/hatch we have to get to the spare or the hidden box .
And the reason I say I drive a bB , is because when I look at the door frame , it says MADE IN JAPAN . And like YOU SAY , it is NO different . So you drive a bB TOO.The floor in the back is raised because the JDM model doesn't come with a spare.

I cant think of anything different between GEN`s .
But have you seen a YEAR 2000 bB model ? Are you Only Comparing 2005`s ?

thats how you compare gens...one year to the next...
granted they make changes year to year, but what was the change to make it gen 2???

Yes the Japanese bB came out in 2000 .
But some of the differences I`ve noticed in the TWO , No one has mentioned .
1) the JP has the Shift on the Steering Column , NOT on the floor
2) it also does Not have ANY floorboards in the back . When the back door is open the floor is SUNKEN in , Not the raisable floor/hatch we have to get to the spare or the hidden box .
And the reason I say I drive a bB , is because when I look at the door frame , it says MADE IN JAPAN . And like YOU SAY , it is NO different . So you drive a bB TOO.The floor in the back is raised because the JDM model doesn't come with a spare.

i could swear the bB does have a spare... it is lower than ours (there is even an indent for it in the sheet metal) and offset from where ours is...

bump

i love my jap made xb

It's not just the lip, it's the hatch as well. That's some pretty good sized pieces that you don't want to mix up.

Anyways, are you just objecting to the naming convention? Would bB version 1.0.1 and 1.0.2 work better? We could call it a Service Pack, but I guess that's more like what you're protesting. Maybe just a hotfix...

Has anybody in the states ever imported the bench seat and installed it? I know it would be backward, but I kind of like the bB's bench seat. :love:

It'd kinda get in the way of our floor shifter, which they don't have...

I cant think of anything different between GEN`s .
But have you seen a YEAR 2000 bB model ? Are you Only Comparing 2005`s ?

thats how you compare gens...one year to the next...
granted they make changes year to year, but what was the change to make it gen 2???
I know , I wanted to know if you know what you were doing ? so i asked..
Theres would be OFFSET to ours ,because the JDM is Right Hand Drive , therefore if you take a look , OUR BACK SEAT is 60/40 and THEIRS is opposite ours a 40/60 SPLIT.
\Fujiz_xb , I like my JP xB too
Whats the difference in the HATCH ?

And I hope the JDM has a SPARE , or really good ROAD SERVICE :bow:

Whats the difference in the HATCH ?


Gen 1 bB hatch:

http://www.f-tech.jp/aero/toyota/bb/gentle_bb_r.jpg

i like gen one better.. there fore when the bass kicks.. all that rattles would be the .... the wiper. dammit.

ScionicMan
That is a bB-u-ti-ful !
that bumper sticks out more, giving it a Meatier look, it works

Well, there is a bodykit on that, I was trying to show the difference in the hatch.

Thats what Happens when you second guess yourself
I did think that at first but talked myself out of it . I just got mine in DEC. and its been gone since 2/22 , so I think Im forgetting how the box looks
Do you know if its a regular 'pull up' latch or is it still electronic POP ?

i have no idea whats going on

but i will learn

but i will learn
What do you want to know ?
I take it your NEW , do you have your SCION yet ?

The term generation usually denotes a major change... like, say the differences between a 91 Mitsubishi Eclipse vs. the 95 Eclipse. Totally different chassis, body panels, lights, interior, etc... that constitutes a generation change. The old bB and new bBs are the same generation, but do have minor differences, such as in the lights and bumpers, etc. In Japan, these changes are denoted by using the terms zenki and kouki, which basically refers to "early model" and "late model," respectively. It technically means something before a change, and after a change. So the older bBs with the rear license plate mount in the rear bumper would be considered a zenki bB, and the later bBs, which are similar to our xBs, are called kouki bBs. It's pretty much the easiest, and surefire way of referring to the two different bBs