http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/06/2011-scion-tc-first-drive-road-test/

The first bit...

There's no demographic that's targeted more often than young, affluent males. Though these buyers may not have quite as much expendable income to throw at new car purchases, automakers are still very keen to cater to the needs of Generation Y in an effort to earn a customer for life.

Toyota is no different than any other automaker in this regard; perhaps even more so as the Japanese giant's customer base is just about as old as that of Buick. In an effort to resolve that issue, Toyota created the Scion brand in North America back in 2002 and has been marketing the heck out of its up-and-coming feeder marque ever since.

The ploy has mostly been successful. Toyota merrily points out that Scion has the youngest average customer in the industry and that 71 percent of all 800,000 or so Scions have been sold to buyers who are new to the Toyota family. Interestingly enough, with a median age of 26, it's the tC coupe's 310,000 total sales since 2002 (accounting for 41 percent of all Scion production) that manages to attract the youngest customers of all.

In other words, while the funky xB may be the most recognizable, it's actually the tC that is the brand's most important product. Therefore, Scion absolutely needs the new 2011 tC to be a runaway hit. Especially since the second-generation of the xB has, by many measures, failed to live up to the successful formula set out by its straight-ruled predecessor.

So does the new tC pass muster? We set out to answer that very question when we grabbed the keys in sunny San Diego. Read on to find out what we learned.

Go to the Autoblog link for the full story!

Short version:

All in all, Scion seems to have shot off just about a perfect bullseye with its latest tC. It no longer looks like the car your girlfriend's best friend would drive and it's a competent driver with plenty of room for aftermarket and dealer-installed upgrades. You won't be challenging Volkswagen GTIs, V6 Ford Mustangs or Hyundai Genesis Coupes, but that's okay. Some people just want a stylish car that's cheap to buy and economical to drive. And, at its $18,275 well-equipped starting price, that's exactly what Scion has crafted with the 2011 tC.

For over $18k, I really don't know how well this will actually sell.

More from Motor Trend:
- http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1008_2011_scion_tc_first_drive/index.html

They claim a starting price of $18,995. Even higher than what Autoblog mentioned above... scary.

I was trying to comment on the AB post... but their comment system sucks so hard, that it won't let me. Here's what I was going to say there:

It's.... OK. For over $18k though, I doubt a nicer steering wheel is going to get me in one.

I'm surprised you guys (autoblog) liked the interior as much as you did though... given it's Toyota Parts Bin design. I do like how the radio/hvac are angled toward the driver though. Gives it a bit more of a "cockpit" feel. Hehe... cock.

Seriously though, I am really interested to see how well this sells. It does fit a lot of the things current tC owners have been asking for... but I just don't think it fits them very well.

Well in my opinion Toyota has made the car ugly enough to make girls not want to drive it and haven't given it enough power to make any guys want to drive it (talking about generalizations). The only thing I'd like to take from it and put in my tC is the 6speed manual and the new steering wheel. Toyota can keep the rest. I have absolutely no desire to upgrade my 2005 IIP for this garbage.

Wow... hey did a pretty good job of screwing this car up. Our interior looked good, why the hard core change? Body lines are not good looking at all. I was to confused with that red one that 5 axis did.... they shoulda made it look like that stock. I woulda def bought one then!http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/scion/tc-five-axis/2011/as/10/ny/2011_scion_tc-five-axis_f34_10-ny-as_40210_717.jpg

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/scion/tc-five-axis/2011/as/10/ny/2011_scion_tc-five-axis_f34_10-ny-as_40210_717.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.insideline.com/scion/tc/2011/bloodshot-2011-scion-tc-by-five-axis-2010-new-york-auto-show.html&usg=__vdRHpPskSjcRFwME0fzmemSSyWY=&h=478&w=717&sz=51&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=Wrh20WQyzruH4M:&tbnh=153&tbnw=192&prev=/images%3Fq%3D5%2Baxis%2B2011%2Bscion%2Btc%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS376%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D614%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=309&ei=AzNcTKqkO4acsQOIw73aDQ&oei=AzNcTKqkO4acsQOIw73aDQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0&tx=98&ty=92

they should post something real, like toyota is slacking and not stepping up or is like going backwards than forward.. maybe they are trying to drive away customers this time

i just got back from this trip, by far one of the most important in my history with scion. i was 1 of 2 enthusiast invited to the event, kirby (alpha squad) was the other one there so i wasn't alone.

we drove 2 of the 13 tC's available and i got to tell you that im impresed with the new upgrades of the car. from the new audio set up, black interior, 6speed which we tested at a canyon :biggrin: to the new trd exhaust and rear suea bar and the stearing wheel.

this model is going to do well.

i just got back from this trip, by far one of the most important in my history with scion. i was 1 of 2 enthusiast invited to the event, kirby (alpha squad) was the other one there so i wasn't alone.

we drove 2 of the 13 tC's available and i got to tell you that im impresed with the new upgrades of the car. from the new audio set up, black interior, 6speed which we tested at a canyon :biggrin: to the new trd exhaust and rear suea bar and the stearing wheel.

this model is going to do well.

Ya, you were impressed with it, but would you pay over $18k for it? I'm thinking not a ton of people would... but I don't know. I don't think I'm their target demographic anymore.

that thing is horrid.
it looks like they mixed a tc and xb2.

only good thing i have to say is that i like the interior a little more. maybe. still fenced

Ya, you were impressed with it, but would you pay over $18k for it? I'm thinking not a ton of people would... but I don't know. I don't think I'm their target demographic anymore.

i would...

I don't think I'm their target demographic anymore.

I think that's the main thing with most of us on SL.

I think that's the main thing with most of us on SL.

Very possible... :)

God help us when that new target demographic registers here though...

I like it! It's about time they changed up the body a little bit. I like the interior on my '09 but this new one ('11) looks a lot better. I just wish this car would have more power and an all wheel drive option.

I like it! It's about time they changed up the body a little bit. I like the interior on my '09 but this new one ('11) looks a lot better. I just wish this car would have more power and an all wheel drive option.

I kind of wish people would stop asking for the tC to be RWD or AWD. It's still an economy car... you'd end up with a price in the low 20s and another 500lbs or something ridiculous (especially with AWD).

If you really want AWD that bad, buy a Subaru. I am... :lalala:

also confirmed that the theory of the new style body coming convertable next year is a hoax.

Added motor trend link to first post.

Off road ready.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/07sciontcfd2011-1281073786.jpg

I think it has even more ground clearance than the first-gen.

and even moremore ugly than the first gen.
idk, it just doesnt flow at all.
some parts are all square and other are all rounded. bleh

I'll admit it doesn't look as strange in black.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/28673312+w750/2011-scion-tC-group-shot.jpg

The color hides all the awkward lines.

i would think im in the age group they are aiming for...and i don't like at all...i was wantin to get a 2011 to go with the 2007 i bought new 4 years ago in november b/c the 6 speed and extra power...but after seeing it...i won't be buying it...looks too much like the fuse

Hahahahahaahhaa

@ $18,275, this thing is a rip.
@ $19,000, this thing is a complete rip.

You can get well-equipped Golf's for $18,000. GG Scion, you've killed yourself.

i'm under the impression that their demographic is a myth.. :yawn:

Imo the 2011 is way better looking

God its fugly....I do like steering wheel though....buts thats where it ends. It does look better in black however. I'll have to see it in person on October 1st when they arrive.

I think this tC will do fine. when the 2nd gen xB came out everyone was trashing it just like this tC and it's doing fine. I think this one will do fine as well and as for the price, RS models were around $19000 plus! I like the new design and can't wait to see it in person, the only reason i'm not getting one is because my wife and I are going to get a full size family vehicle next. I do agree that they need to drop a bigger engine like the 3.5 liter V6 in it.

the XB2 has done fine have you looked at their sales numbers....this looks like it also swoon...but hey they don't even listen anymore

The back is a little funky, but it's a Scion, it's supposed to give you that WTF feel at first glance.

After getting past that, I think the rest of the car looks great and is still a bargain for the price. The tC's starting MSRP was always a bit higher than others, but it's basically already topped out option-wise. Price out it's competition (comparably equipped) and I bet it'll still undercut them.

saw the front not so bad....saw the back horrible

the rear end makes me wanna gouge my eyes out with a spoon! i've actually been contemplating a new car and when i saw the 2nd gen my feelings got hurt severely!! i think now i'm gonna go with a genesis or rx8. as much as i hate to say it, i think this is scion's biggest disappointment/let-down thus far.

The irony of the journalist compared to the reader's comments at the opposite end of the spectrum! Even pointing out its flaws, this journalist still sided with Toyota. What an optimist.

Tikki, hilarious- "For some reason it seem to me like a cheap dodge knock-off. A perfect example of how to go backwards in design....."

At least it's a nice day for pics of Otay Lake.

Now I'm gonna go back to the 2011 tC thread to hear more of the sound of nails being beaten into Scion's coffin.

puke

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/01sciontcfd2011-1281073777.jpg

Since I got a lot older ever since owning my tC, I rather upgrade to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHDRohYbEIQ

i'm under the impression that their demographic is a myth.. :yawn:

puke

x2

Looks like a boat. Probably handles and moves like one too.

I liked this review a lot better (http://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/scion/2011-scion-tc-review-first-drive-1405.html)and they had much more and much much better pictures
and the tC with all the trd stuff looks pretty damn good!!!

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/228482-4/2011_Scion_tC_074.jpg


http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/228587-4/2011_Scion_tC_089.jpg


and no lip kit no drop on this car and still looks good.

With the TRD stuff you're looking at 21k before tax and it's not even a RS. I think the pricing is gonna hurt the sales quite a bit. It's creeping into Si territory--they start at 22k.

I liked this review a lot better (http://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/scion/2011-scion-tc-review-first-drive-1405.html)and they had much more and much much better pictures
and the tC with all the trd stuff looks pretty damn good!!!

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/228482-4/2011_Scion_tC_074.jpg


http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/228587-4/2011_Scion_tC_089.jpg


and no lip kit no drop on this car and still looks good.
from the side shot when it's rolling it looks like a camry...i don't want a car that looks like what my mom drives

With the TRD stuff you're looking at 21k before tax and it's not even a RS. I think the pricing is gonna hurt the sales quite a bit. It's creeping into Si territory--they start at 22k.

Except you don't have to pay 22k for the Si because you're not forced to pay the sticker price like you are with buying a Scion.

yeah.. 21k but those wheels are like $3k......

plus it looks better than an si and the si has only more power nothing else.

There's absolutely nothing impressive with the new styling, only the car got bigger. I mean that's Toyota for you, look at the Corolla, Camry, Sienna, xB and the xA/xD the only thing they did was make the car bigger! No wonder their cars have trouble stopping!

And this is why I'm getting a Kia, they know how to move up.

And so as Honda
http://www.wheelosphere.org/2012-honda-civic04/

I like it. I want to see one in Super white. Is the car assembled in Japan? Anything Japanese has gone up alot lately. I'm not a finance major, but isn't the yen worth more than the dollar? That could be the reason for the new price.

yeah.. 21k but those wheels are like $3k......

plus it looks better than an si and the si has only more power nothing else.

:rofl:

Except you don't have to pay 22k for the Si because you're not forced to pay the sticker price like you are with buying a Scion.
Honda's doing it right. I'm sad for Toyota, mad for Toyota:flame:

Yep that review from AutoGuide summarizes the spirit of how Toyota again loses touch of their intended demographic.

"For safety purposes, we’re all in favor of Toyota’s VSC (Vehicle Stability Control) setup, but while Scion claims you can turn it off in two stages (first shutting down traction control and then stability control), both systems default to the on position once above 31-mph. Now while 99 percent of Scion buyers will never take their vehicle to the track, essentially negating our criticism of this feature, the youth-oriented brand is also ensuring that number will stay at 99 percent – ignoring an important growth possibility with the more hard-core segment of buyers who often become brand ambassadors to their friends."

I still have an appreciation for all Scions, even at its new 2nd (um 3rd) rate status.

Guys, With a lip and drop... Its gonna look badass... It just looks like an akward turtle so high up off the floor...

I agree with the two posts above. I like what Honda is doing right now with the 4dr Civic Si and the new CR-Z.

I also think the new tC is just like the current one in the sense that the tC looks like sh__ unless it's dropped and put on nice wheels.

:rofl:
oh yeah.. si has vtec yoooo and lsd.. woooow soo much better car!!! ricer boys probably wet their pants because of the extra 20 hp and the vtec sticker.

that black tc has big brake kit, trd muffler, trd wheels, fogs, and the sway bar... i think its a killer deal compared to the extra more power.

man... really... the lines are all off. i liked the 1st gen cause it was a nice size car and flowed nice.

the side shot looks like its stretched horizontal.

i can work with the interior. its not too bad.

sucks that the looks of the car is gonna stop me from buying it. i be the performance is gonna be way better or at least a little better than the 1st gen.

still hopes for the ft86.

People its not like 18,275 is asking to much. Seriously stop complaining its insane. A tC brand new was 17,700+. Now they've added 18" wheels, 6spd, and other minor things. I wish it would only cost me 800 to add those things to my 17,700 priced tC. And yeah it will be expensive to add TRD parts just as it is NOW! I can't wait to test drive one. Until then I'll hold my opinions.

looks like a 2dr avenger. :icon_frown:

why did they keep that disgusting orange for the gauges! A blue or red would look so much better. I holding off on my judgement as far as the looks until i actually see one and test drive one but as of right now i dont like it. I do like the interior though.

I'm liking the factory red calipers, but that's about it.

I can't stand the box design, once again. I mean, yeah, Scion has to match all their cars, but I hate the squared off roof and back end.


Maybe it'll look better in person. Til then, I'm let down.

looks like a 2dr avenger. :icon_frown:

Glasses...you need them.

im really not a fan of the exterior... at. all. the rest though is an improvement in every way. i dont know where they put on a hundred extra pounds, though.

another review by insideline
http://www.insideline.com/scion/tc/2011/2011-scion-tc-first-drive.html

I'm liking the factory red calipers, but that's about it.

Don't be fooled by the optional TRD brake kit...

The more I look at the side profile of this thing, the more sad I get. It just doesn't flow... at all.

I'm sure quite a few people will be able to work it into something decent looking, but I'm feeling it less and less every time I look at it.

I kind of wish people would stop asking for the tC to be RWD or AWD. It's still an economy car... you'd end up with a price in the low 20s and another 500lbs or something ridiculous (especially with AWD).

If you really want AWD that bad, buy a Subaru. I am... :lalala:

As am I....my lease on my tC is up next summer and I'll get a Subaru instead. The tC is an OK car, not great enough for me to lease another.

i drove the car and if you haven't i have no bad complain, yes it's different from what im used to seeing but as a car modder i can work with it..
it will give you a different impression. but hey that's just me...im a scion head and always will be. i liked it specially going through the canyon and hitting that 6th gear.

seats are a lot more comfortable and the usb outlet option comes in handy.

It looks alright from the side. I like the front other than the integrated scion emblem into the grille and bumper. The rear end is ugly. The gauges definitely shoulda been changed to blue or red. The thing shoulda come with an LSD and LED tails. Plus it shoulda weighed the same or less to allow you to actually notice the HP and TQ increase. I wanna see who scion/toyota got there data from on what the people wanted in looks. Cause from reading the threads about it 99% hate it. Yes it will sell but not nearly what they are hoping. I mean if people buy the Chrysler Sebring and Dodge Avenger and the Caliber that look like they are a design from the 70's they will sell. Kia is gonna reap the benefits from this tC. The Forte Koup is so much better looking and cheaper.

The Forte Koup is so much better looking and cheaper.



yeah i was thinking about the same.. until i saw the black tc with tose wheels. and it doesnt even have any lip kit and not even dropped yet but looks much better than honda si or forte koup.

It looks alright from the side. I like the front other than the integrated scion emblem into the grille and bumper. The rear end is ugly. The gauges definitely shoulda been changed to blue or red. The thing shoulda come with an LSD and LED tails. Plus it shoulda weighed the same or less to allow you to actually notice the HP and TQ increase. I wanna see who scion/toyota got there data from on what the people wanted in looks. Cause from reading the threads about it 99% hate it. Yes it will sell but not nearly what they are hoping. I mean if people buy the Chrysler Sebring and Dodge Avenger and the Caliber that look like they are a design from the 70's they will sell. Kia is gonna reap the benefits from this tC. The Forte Koup is so much better looking and cheaper.

I agree.... I drove the Forte Koup. Not a fan of KIA (killed in action) at all.. but.. They have definately done well on this car, it surpassed TC's in gas milage and power, not sure about the new TC's STATS but I don't care either cause it was a #$^&#$^ tryin to get good interest rate on this one I have. So to all you stunners out there talkin like you wheel an deal any car.. keep the credit clean.. anyways <[TANGENT] This dang TC looked nearly Identical to the Forte Koup, take away the bumpers; and the angles especially the back of the roof look dang near the same. I just got that same nasty gurgle in the throat when Honda rolled out the last prelude model. Blah.
I thought the idea was... Cool, Quick, Cheap..
Guess they just took care of the cheap upgrades for us...
:flame:

Don't be fooled by the optional TRD brake kit...

The more I look at the side profile of this thing, the more sad I get. It just doesn't flow... at all.

I'm sure quite a few people will be able to work it into something decent looking, but I'm feeling it less and less every time I look at it.

I have to agree 100%. I think some people with time will be able to make it decent looking, but at stock, it just doesn't flow at all. It looks like four different cars threw up and the tC was formed. The lines are just awful and the back end doesn't look like it belongs on anything.

Again, this may just be me, but I don't think I'm their target audience anymore. After 5+ years with my tC, I think it's almost time later this year to part ways with it and get something larger and more mature.

I've pondered getting a Tundra or FJ Cruiser or even the new 4Runner (Hopefully staying in the Toyota family) and only doing moderate modding to it and keeping the tC as a second car or sell the tC and use the money to mod my next car / rig...I pondered a Jeep Wrangler but everything falls apart on them and they will eat your money away. Time will tell but I think some sort of part out is coming in due time :(.

the new tC is upgraded all around. I've said my input on what can be changed about it. There really isnt much to complain to tell you the truth. you get horsepower gain, added mpg, better sound system, added leg/head room (rear) , race inspired seating, better shifting points, etc etc.... The new tC feels a lot better and drives a lot better than the previous model. Although the price is slightly higher, but consider that its still more affordable than majority of its competition. You know who's gonna be in line for this first right? Our friends in the north. So make room scionlife because the cannucks are coming. haha

nope...not working...still looks like a truck/tank/boat

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs151.ash2/40878_435239364160_286919289160_4611816_5733044_n.jpg

God I hope it looks better in person :(.

the grilles look awful! I do believe that it will look good slammed with some nice wheels and other mods but in stock form it is pretty bad.

yall are just gonna flip the entire car anyways. LOL. who cares about the grille. LOL. the one feature I do like is the AC controls are more user friendly. LOL. IMO it looks better w/o the wing too.

I'm sure yall will like it.

Totally understand a lot of what is said here, but the standard features, and price point of the '11 tC IMO are just what I wanted because:
* Don't want a 4 door car (never had one in 20+ years of driving)
* Civic Si coupes are gone after '10 - and are selling over sticker / hard to get
* Civics have the e-brake right where my knee wants to be while driving. And it appears the '11 tC is actually cut-out for my leg/knee - yeah!
* Mustangs don't have moonroofs - hardtop/glass/or convertible only - and I want/need a moonroof - plus it's a double
* To fit in my attached garage - car must be < 180" long

The style is growing on me, and the reviews are sounding pretty good

Here's some more new reviews:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q3/2011_scion_tc-first_drive_review)
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http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...tc-first-drive (http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1048008_2011-scion-tc-first-drive)
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http://www.insideline.com/scion/tc/2...-at-18995.html (http://www.insideline.com/scion/tc/2011/2011-scion-tc-starts-at-18995.html)
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God I hope it looks better in person :(.

It doesn't. It looks significantly worse in person. The front looks good in pictures, but in person, it looks cheap and bland.

God I hope it looks better in person :(.

Of course not. They hire pro-photographers to shoot pictures of the car.

Tapping the dislike button like a ____ load of times... Looks like a cross between the new dodge avengers and the 1gens.. No good. Should go and choke the hell out of the designers and engineers who created this hunk of junk.

nope...not working...still looks like a truck/tank/boat

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs151.ash2/40878_435239364160_286919289160_4611816_5733044_n.jpg


http://images.passionperformance.ca/photos/0/0/00573_2008_Dodge_Avenger.jpg

Is there something special about the comparison you drew up? The only similarity I see is the fogs.

^ I see it. . . mainly in the C pillar and the flat lines mixed with curved ones in an odd way.

Best thing about it is the steering wheel at least they got that right. But besides that the interior in horrible looks much cheaper than the old Tc.

yall are just gonna flip the entire car anyways. LOL. who cares about the grille. LOL. the one feature I do like is the AC controls are more user friendly. LOL. IMO it looks better w/o the wing too.

I'm sure yall will like it.


kirb...should we go canyon run again in it? lol....shhhhhh!

the rear almost looks kinda like the last celicas toyota made...or mayb its just the tail lights...that might be why it doesn't fit....the tc and celica look nuthing alike...the celica has sharp pointed lines while the tc is more round

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww207/topekatc/celica_rear_a.jpg
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww207/topekatc/07sciontcfd2011-1281073786.jpg

??? doesn't look the same to me - anybody??

is it just me or does it seem like u cant really do much if u tryed to mod this thing?????????????

http://images.passionperformance.ca/photos/0/0/00573_2008_Dodge_Avenger.jpg

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/228482-4/2011_Scion_tC_074.jpg

http://autotraderca.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/10_kia_koup_r_upgrade_is_canada_exclusive_000000.jpg

I think it looks closer to the KIA
Hate to say it but KIA Koup gonna make $$$

I HATE Kias, but damn, that one looks good.

That's a special one available in Canada... some SE model or something.

Ah, here you go: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/canadian-kia-customers-get-new-dealer-installed-forte-koup-r-p/

2011 Scion tC Driven (http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-10/08-11-10page-2011-Scion-tC-Driven.htm)

repost.

I like the rear bumper just not the tailights and the trunk lid. They are to blocky and dont follow the rounded lines of the bumper.

Kia needs to bring that R package to the US. It will easily drive up there sales numbers. Id buy that thing for sure. Then turbo it and eat tC's for lunch! LOL Kia is defintely going in the right direction. I mean they have racing team in the Continental Tire series dont see no Toyotas out there.

I showed the new tc to my girlfriend and she almost vomit on the screen lol. I still cant understand why toyota cant make an engine as efficient as the civic si one. I understand its expensive but at least get closer to 200 hp and the 30 mpg mark. Seriously, look into something else. Kia or maybe the new ford focus if you want some quality German designed compact car.

That's a special one available in Canada... some SE model or something.

Ah, here you go: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/canadian-kia-customers-get-new-dealer-installed-forte-koup-r-p/

that is a pic a canadian one.. BUT all thats diff on looks is rims and lip

waiste.... the bodyline is hideous whats up with the square look? they should have kept it the same and thrown in a better engine to compete with the 250+ hp range cars... now that would have been sweet!!! as far as the interior the gauge cluster looks ok but i dont like the fact that they got rid of the waterfall

teh black looks cool actually. I lik eit better than the 5AXIS one. lip spoiler makes it. keep complaing guys, it's not gonna change.

If so many of you are experts, then what is their target demographic?

the car does sit higher off the ground. it has taller rolling stock. it seems to ride stiff. So I know people will start to complain about that. It looks like some of the older sketches of re-birth of the Celica as the tC was supposed to be discontinued. But you guys have to admit, discontinuing the car would have the same effect as that of the xB1. this car will do well. I can see that. This car needs staggered width rims and a drop. Maybe some sort of front lip to make the front a little more aggressive and less Avenger like. It will look good and it will sell good....fess up guys. so many in denial.

Only if I could move my interior to the new tc..

what do we need to fess up :roll:

This car will sell but I don't think it will be a smash hit. If anything, the iQ will sell better.

i would...
Hey, me too.:rolling:

i think people are unrealistic to expect an entry level sub $20k coupe to have 200 or more HP. it may happen in 10 years if Scion is still around. but for now it will raise the price to $25-30k..and seriously, who is going to pay that much for a Scion? the 2011 TC is a pretty good buy (for a new car). if you want better performance under $20k, you need to scour the used car ads

I'll have to make a test drive morning before comparing the two.

I love the front end; that's about it. lol

Reading all opinions of the new tC reminds me of guys discussing a woman - lol

good rear - don't like the front - should be wider - like the interior only

i think people are unrealistic to expect an entry level sub $20k coupe to have 200 or more HP. it may happen in 10 years if Scion is still around. but for now it will raise the price to $25-30k..and seriously, who is going to pay that much for a Scion? the 2011 TC is a pretty good buy (for a new car). if you want better performance under $20k, you need to scour the used car ads



in 10 years, it may be the size of a Expedition

Reading all opinions of the new tC reminds me of guys discussing a woman - lol

good rear - don't like the front - should be wider - like the interior only

opposite

Great face, no butt, but tight interior.

yeah - I should have put it in the right order

BTW - review coming-up / I watch this show regularly, and their reveiws are pretty reliable: http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/upcomingshows.shtml

30th Season! MotorWeek #3001
Episode Title: 3001/Alfa Romeo 8C Spyder
PBS broadcast window begins: September 10, 2010
Quick Listing:
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/images/arrow.gif Road Test: 2011 Scion tC Sport Coupe

this is depressing. the rear is already pretty ugly, they just F'd this car up even more. we need to find out who ever is responsible for this new design and show him what we want... this thing looks retarded. I wouldn't buy it for $5,000 its so ugly. I'm really happy I got a 1st gen cause this is just depressing. Thanks Toyota.... thanks alot.. idiots.:cry:

I will admit though, the red one (fiveaxis? i think) makes the rear end look a TON better, its actually kinda sick. i like the body lines and the wheels on it.. the front still looks retarded though... needs a bigger grill.. much bigger. something like my Evo X or a newer audi...

Edmunds.com states these minor specs already...

Exterior Length: 174 in. Width: 70.7 in. Height: 55.7 in. Wheel Base: 106.3 in. Ground Clearance: 6.3 in. Curb Weight: 3102 lbs. Interior Front Head Room: 37.7 in. Front Hip Room: 52.6 in. Front Shoulder Room: 55.4 in. Rear Head Room: 36.4 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 52.1 in. Rear Hip Room: 48.5 in. Front Leg Room: 41.8 in. Rear Leg Room: 34.6 in. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 35 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5 http://www.edmunds.com/media/trans1x1.gifExterior Length: 174 in. Width: 70.7 in. Height: 55.7 in. Wheel Base: 106.3 in. Ground Clearance: 6.3 in. Curb Weight: 3102 lbs. Interior Front Head Room: 37.7 in. Front Hip Room: 52.6 in. Front Shoulder Room: 55.4 in. Rear Head Room: 36.4 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 52.1 in. Rear Hip Room: 48.5 in. Front Leg Room: 41.8 in. Rear Leg Room: 34.6 in. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 35 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5 http://www.edmunds.com/media/trans1x1.gif

Performance Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.5 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 180 hp Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 173 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4100 rpm Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 37.4 ft.
Fuel Tank Capacity: 14.5 gal. EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined) Automatic: 23 mpg / 31 mpg / mpg Range in Miles: Automatic: 333.5 mi. / 449.5 mi. / mi.

Price-$19,275

What really caught my eye was they have preview for the FT-86 already with "Coming Summer 2011." I thought that wasn't coming out until '12?

^I read in an article recently that the FT was on track to being released next year. But I'll believe it when I see it.

yea, released where? In Japan and therest of the world or does that include the U.S.? there is no confirmation of where it will be released.

Apprently, Edmunds says it for US. Look for yourself.

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/ft86/2012/index.html#search=open.eq..amp.p.eq.cvehicledata%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Enf12%7C%7C546f796f7461

that c-pillar looks like even more of a blind spot now.

Apprently, Edmunds says it for US. Look for yourself.

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/ft86/2012/index.html#search=open.eq..amp.p.eq.cvehicledata%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Enf12%7C%7C546f796f7461

those seats look extremely uncomfortable haha.. yikes.

i don't think it will look like the concept. as i said, CALTY is behind the U.S. version

i think the design of the whole wheel area is much improved.

the wheel doesn't seem to be swallowed under the car anymore, which
is the only feature of the original Tc design that screamed 'weak'.

its better proportioned now. otherwise, its a conservative re-design.

I just saw a commercial for the new tC. They're not wasting time getting the ads rolling.

I just saw a commercial for the new tC. They're not wasting time getting the ads rolling.

oh i know haha i just saw one too... looked a little sicker on tv... still ugly ha

Ohhh now I know what my next car will be if that comes true and it comes out next summer :D

Does this look like a glass roof to you? Help me -- What am I looking at?
I'm expecting more glass.......
http://image.motortrend.com/f/28673312+w750/2011-scion-tC-group-shot.jpg
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1008_2011_scion_tc_first_drive/photo_01.html

Yeah it's still glass. Although the rear portion is no longer as wide.

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2897/2011sciontcdetns8061081.jpg

Thks, but the pics just don't look like the old glass roof. Still like it though - for several reasons.

yeah.. 21k but those wheels are like $3k......

plus it looks better than an si and the si has only more power nothing else.


this one i bet is faster then the SI

They made the car this fugly because they wanted more male buyers..

But the only way to gain more male buyers is to offer factory supercharger + TRD breake kit version. :lalala:

Can't wait to hear this beast go meow... :P

I'm not too wild of the design changes. If I'd get one, just like my previous and current tC color choice, it'd be in black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZthT75NjXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

man those TRD wheels look like 20s...so ugly

http://adland.tv/commercials/scion-tc-enter-machine-2010-15-usa
the 2011 scion tc ad if you havent seen it yet, the 5axis one looks soo sexy rolling lol

man those TRD wheels look like 20s...so ugly

Being 19's I think that might be a bit much for the new tC. They should have left that size for the xB. I like the design though.

the more and more i see this car the more and more i want one :)

As I was driving in Chicago yesterday; Scion has billboard along one of the interstates. They have the ad showing only the left taillight and saying "Let the new journey begin" with 9/10 underneath.

I guess they are coming out next month.

I actually kinda like the black TRD one. I love the 5 axis one though.

As I was driving in Chicago yesterday; Scion has billboard along one of the interstates. They have the ad showing only the left taillight and saying "Let the new journey begin" with 9/10 underneath.

I guess they are coming out next month.

Do you recall where?

Do you recall where?


294 near the airport

I'm excited to drive one really

that billboard faces north at the !290/294 junction. I saw it last night too.


"Enter the Machine"

nice. scion made an avenger. :P

that billboard faces north at the !290/294 junction. I saw it last night too.


"Enter the Machine"


Thanks for reminding me. Where in the hell did I come up with that saying??? lol

My name is Todd Clancy. I am the new Scion rep here at Toyota/Scion of Tacoma. From what I understand, the mass production of the tC will begin early fall. Expect to see the new models mid October, possibly earlier. I am excited to be here to help everyone who wants to test drive the new model.
Please follow me on Twitter @ToyotaScionTRD.

I'll be getting them at the end of September :)

Wilde Scion here will have them late September. Right around my birthday... Already have my Rep lining me up for a test drive and possible upgrade...time will tell haha

Are they still doing the whole "Ford trade" Come in with gen 1 and get a loaner for a day?

At that event in Chicago, one of the Scion reps was saying something about that.

To all you guys whining about the over $18k price this is all I have to say, buy a civic model at that same price range and see if you will truly get all the bang for your buck. And no I'm not talking about an SI (those are well one $21K). Also please Inform me of any coupe that has all of these features (down to ipod/iphone connectivity) at this price and I'm talking newly bought. Bottom line is, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Get a Kia Forte or something..lmao

Just drove one and it's 100x better then the current tC. I'm definitely considering one

^They're arriving already? I'm gonna have to call my buddy and see if he has any yet.

These cars are awesome. I am considering trading in my Acura TL for one. I will miss my baby, but I know that the tC has a lot more potential. I will try and post some pictures from our demo soon.

Its starting to grow on me, im sure it's a step up from the current and outdated tc.

Wasn't sure about the exterior but that rolling video changed that for me I like it but not so sure about the interior, looks like a downgrade in that department.

The interior is very similar to the 2010. Many people wonder why the interior is not "hooked-up". This brings to mind the slogan; "become one of us, by becoming none of us". Scion creates their vehicles designs specific to the idea that they are meant to be personalized. The cost is pure and lower than most vehicles because they do not include a bunch of extra features. The idea is that you choose from a somewhat a la carte menu so that your Scion is specific to you and to others. If you need ideas on how to improve the interior please let me know. I have many vendors and scion accessories available and I am happy to share any of that information with you.

looks like a 2dr avenger. :icon_frown:
my thoughts exactly

I will be driving one for a day next week. I'm thinking the only thing I will be depressed about is I possibly will trade mine in which is paid off. Payments suck I just paid mine off not four months ago. Wish they offered a high performance model with factory boost for a Si price range.

With a little more R&D the Vortech/TRD supercharger could be a great option which would still be easily upgradle for more boost and better management. If only....

did a quick photoshop of it slammed on meisters :P

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/4921800570_98a79123e8_z.jpg

^They're arriving already? I'm gonna have to call my buddy and see if he has any yet.

No I work for a dealership and we had a training class so I got to drive one. And what a huge difference from the last one.

The interior is very similar to the 2010. Many people wonder why the interior is not "hooked-up". This brings to mind the slogan; "become one of us, by becoming none of us". Scion creates their vehicles designs specific to the idea that they are meant to be personalized. The cost is pure and lower than most vehicles because they do not include a bunch of extra features. The idea is that you choose from a somewhat a la carte menu so that your Scion is specific to you and to others. If you need ideas on how to improve the interior please let me know. I have many vendors and scion accessories available and I am happy to share any of that information with you.

The interior is completely different!!! Sit in one and drive one you'll be retracting that statement.

Oh and it's confirmed that the new bolt pattern is 5x114.3 by one of my regional reps!!!!

^Yes, and it will fit very wide wheels for its class.

The car is pretty cool. Still waiting to see it in a different colour, but none the less VERY different from the old.

How in the hell did you get a front bumper????

That's a secret. :biggrin:

Pic was having issues, so took it down. Bumper is for track use when the car arrives.

did a quick photoshop of it slammed on meisters :P

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/4921800570_98a79123e8_z.jpg

nice.. i like the rear but the front looks waaaaay too big.

what do you mean the front looks too big?

ha that pic... it looks like a monte carlo almost lol

not even close!

pics dont do it justice, you really need to see it in person, get all different angles and actually sit in it and drive it!!! its amazing. scion did it right this time.

wait till all you DIYers see the suspension set up, if you think doin coils on a tC now is easy (after getting used to it) you're gonna die when you see the new stuff. how does only 2 bolts in the back sound!!!

not even close!

pics dont do it justice, you really need to see it in person, get all different angles and actually sit in it and drive it!!! its amazing. scion did it right this time.

wait till all you DIYers see the suspension set up, if you think doin coils on a tC now is easy (after getting used to it) you're gonna die when you see the new stuff. how does only 2 bolts in the back sound!!!

they may have "done it right this time" but its still ugly haha

not even close!

pics dont do it justice, you really need to see it in person, get all different angles and actually sit in it and drive it!!! its amazing. scion did it right this time.

wait till all you DIYers see the suspension set up, if you think doin coils on a tC now is easy (after getting used to it) you're gonna die when you see the new stuff. how does only 2 bolts in the back sound!!!

The rear end is almost identical to a Rav4. Its nothing exciting.

Coilover companies state they will be at least 6-8 months after launch until we see decent product. I emailed KW this morning about it and that was the word I was given. Tein might be out faster because they did the FiveAxis car...too bad Tein is junk.

Looking forward to seeing what people do with them though. I can say the TRD 19's look awesome in person!

I've seen it in person. Lighter colors don't do anything for it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4647322051_989c0f7996_z.jpg

The rear end is almost identical to a Rav4. Its nothing exciting.

Coilover companies state they will be at least 6-8 months after launch until we see decent product. I emailed KW this morning about it and that was the word I was given. Tein might be out faster because they did the FiveAxis car...too bad Tein is junk.

Looking forward to seeing what people do with them though. I can say the TRD 19's look awesome in person!


im in love with the rear suspension set up on this one, it looks much better then the last one, but then again i see this as it being able to go lower w/o sacrificing ride comfort as much.

im in love with the rear suspension set up on this one, it looks much better then the last one, but then again i see this as it being able to go lower w/o sacrificing ride comfort as much.

I see that as a disadvantage. Rather than seeing them go fast in turns, they will become the next generation VW: stretched, broken, and useless.

Its a very simple design, that's all I see. But I want to start tuning it before I make full judgement.

I've seen it in person. Lighter colors don't do anything for it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4647322051_989c0f7996_z.jpg

I'm wondering that too. The only one I've seen is "purple" and its not attractive at all. I have white on order, but may change it to black when I see it in person.

I just wish they weren't pushing this "Cement" color so much. I mean hell why would anyone be excited about a color called Cement.

Is information available on the entire line up of colors? Anything exciting?

Black, super white, classic silver, cement, magnetic grey, nautical blue and sizzling crimson

@ 745l I'm hoping the tC can be slammed cus that's what I plan on doin to it. As low as possible for me and stanced with the right sized wheels. And I found out stock wheels are 18x7.5 +39 tge wheels I have picked out should sit nicely and wfc on the car

the tC2 just needs that spoiler to break up the stubby look of the back. I like that black one I saw( the trio pic). looks awesome. so many haters still.

That spoiler is a MUST!

@ 745l I'm hoping the tC can be slammed cus that's what I plan on doin to it. As low as possible for me and stanced with the right sized wheels. And I found out stock wheels are 18x7.5 +39 tge wheels I have picked out should sit nicely and wfc on the car

tge...wfc? What's that mean?

I've picked out a set of 18x9" wheels that should sit flush with a +35 (not poke). Planning to do 255/35R18 Dunlop Z1 Star Specs. It's all about grip!

TRD springs to start (maybe trim them a little to raise the rates up) until coilovers come out. Also going to size up the front shock bolts and get a Eibach cam bolt for camber up front.

Thats my thought.

tge...wfc? What's that mean?

I've picked out a set of 18x9" wheels that should sit flush with a +35 (not poke). Planning to do 255/35R18 Dunlop Z1 Star Specs. It's all about grip!

TRD springs to start (maybe trim them a little to raise the rates up) until coilovers come out. Also going to size up the front shock bolts and get a Eibach cam bolt for camber up front.

Thats my thought.


lol i was typing on my iPhone, tge = the lol

LOL! I hate it when mine does that too.

From the article:
...a brake over-ride system that cancels throttle application when the brake pedal is depressed....

WTF is that? :confused: A Brake over-ride system? Please don't turn into Ford and their stupid MyKey option..... if you can't drive a car properly, don't get behind the wheel. Stop trying to be mom and dad.. you're an automobile manufacturer!!!


/endrant :flame:

I will not be buying tC v2.0. I will however be watching the junk yard for one to show up so I can yank out the 6-speed tranny and putting it in my supercharged 2006. :biggrin:

From the article:


WTF is that? :confused: A Brake over-ride system? Please don't turn into Ford and their stupid MyKey option..... if you can't drive a car properly, don't get behind the wheel. Stop trying to be mom and dad.. you're an automobile manufacturer!!!


/endrant :flame:

I will not be buying tC v2.0. I will however be watching the junk yard for one to show up so I can yank out the 6-speed tranny and putting it in my supercharged 2006. :biggrin:

Its in response to the unintended acceleration thing. If you hit the brakes, it cuts the connection to additional throttle input.

Sucks for those that like heal-toe.

it only does it if both the gas and the brakes are depressed not if your just tapping them

almost as if youre slamming on the brakes

more good info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9gBKsHTuo

Lol what a corny second interview. Lots of room for bigger manifolds, bigger turbos, bigger piping, and a completely redesigned cylinder head. Can't wait to drive it.

That's a secret. :biggrin:

Pic was having issues, so took it down. Bumper is for track use when the car arrives.


I'm going to say you either is the guy who won one for that event or you work for TMC?


I still haven't gone to Carmax(aka Kenosha Toyota-Scion: Clearing the confusion)Their inventory system can view future receivers that will come in within the next few weeks....But I'm been too scared to go. LOL I just don't wanna be in another sales trap again like with my current tC.

I like the fact; my 07 has a chance to be paid off within next year! :D Then I'm going to enjoy not having car payments.

Don't get me wrong, but I'm still going to stop by a dealer and see one; test drive it.

yea, thank all those false claims and media blitz for that gas override system. it was a hoax that cost Toyota 65 million dollars. I hope the government used that money well.

I got to drive the new tC on Saturday. I have to say I like it, especially in black. The car doesn't B**ch as much around corners (stock), it has better acceleration, the cockpit feels more roomy and comfortable and the exhaust system sounds like its been modified stock(among other things that I liked). Although there's been a lot of talk about how bad it looks in pictures etc., I think they will catch on once you see them in motion. Just my .02

I will not be buying tC v2.0. I will however be watching the junk yard for one to show up so I can yank out the 6-speed tranny and putting it in my supercharged 2006. :biggrin:

Direct bolt-up? I think a 6 speed should have been original in the 1st gen, highway revs at 80mph are just stupid.

It's not going to be a direct bolt on otherwise people would have taken that transmission of a camry and used it

How about the motor mounts? Is a motor swap going to be possible?

^You can fab up something custom if they're not in the same location.

Why would you wanna pay all that money for 20 more hp

Why would you wanna pay all that money for 20 more hp

You can't afford $455 for 20 more horeses, bigger wheels, better brakes, 6MT, VSC,TC and a better interior?

I'm going to say you either is the guy who won one for that event or you work for TMC?

Something related to the later of statement...

What event are you talking about? Someone won a bumper? Strange prize...

You can't afford $455 for 20 more horeses, bigger wheels, better brakes, 6MT, VSC,TC and a better interior?

Lol I was talkin about swapping the 2.5l into tge current tC.

Lol I was talkin about swapping the 2.5l into tge current tC.


Thank God thats what you were talking about. lol. Maybe I should stop reading comments out of context.

I agree, that would be way too much money to spend just to get 20 more horses.

IMO, the only thing the car really needs rather than more power is control of the power it has.

An LSD and a tune that pushes the redline up about 1000-1500rpm. It falls on its face at redline only because its gets electronically cut. It feels like it wants to keep going though.

agreed! i might wait till the LSD is available for it and just get it factory installed with the TRD front and rear sway bar upgrade (oops did i say that :P )

Why would you wanna pay all that money for 20 more hp



cuz they are all looking for something to complain about

agreed! i might wait till the LSD is available for it and just get it factory installed with the TRD front and rear sway bar upgrade (oops did i say that :P )

You might be waiting an awful long time for that LSD...Just think for a sec: New transmission and quality control out the ying-yang trying to correct public image. The likelihood of a low volume part like an LSD are slim to none me thinks.

to jdmjim, true, tC people are good for that :eyes:

and to 745l im not in a rush to get the car, i sell toyotas/scions so i can drive one when ever i want lol. plus it gives me time to save money to put down, and to get my credit back up.

Something related to the later of statement...

What event are you talking about? Someone won a bumper? Strange prize...



Oh no...

That one event "Play this game and you could win a 2011?" Forgot the name.

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Since I mailed a "Thank You" letter to Toyota with the last sentence saying "Once this '07 tC is paid off. I am hoping to buy a new iQ." Now, thats what I can't wait to see. European auto reviews state they get average 62 mpg; that's what sold me so far.

Why would you wanna pay all that money for 20 more hp

For the 6spd tranny. Someone said its not a direct swap so hell just swap everything. Just a suggestion

What kind of complaints would come from swapping the motor/tranny? I'm more interested in having a 6th gear over the added 20hp.

And who knows maybe when Dezod/Ptuning/Descendant get their hands on this motor maybe its stronger and better for boost?

World already has it and has been putting in work.

yea its the same 4 cyl in the camry and rav4

World already has it and has been putting in work.
True, I've seen it. They also just finished Rado's AWD Monster.

the rear almost looks kinda like the last celicas toyota made...or mayb its just the tail lights...that might be why it doesn't fit....the tc and celica look nuthing alike...the celica has sharp pointed lines while the tc is more round


I thought the same thing the first time I saw the photo of the 2011's rear, "That looks like a Celica. Why would they do that?"

Toyota is so stupid. After most Americans settled for smaller cars to replace their huge cars and helped Toyota/Honda boost up sales, Toyota is making their cars bigger each time they redesign. From the Corolla to the Tacoma, Camry to the Tundra, the xA becoming the bigger xD, xB redesigned to be bigger, and also the Sienna. So now they are making the tC bigger too, good job!

Toyota is so stupid. After most Americans settled for smaller cars to replace their huge cars and helped Toyota/Honda boost up sales, Toyota is making their cars bigger each time they redesign. From the Corolla to the Tacoma, Camry to the Tundra, the xA becoming the bigger xD, xB redesigned to be bigger, and also the Sienna. So now they are making the tC bigger too, good job!

the upcoming FT86 will be similar size as a s2000 or the ae86, i already saved $10k for this car. I dont know why I keep spending money on my tc, lol

For those that want to check out the tC2 in person and show off your scion, here ya go!!! Let all Scion Clubs and/or owners know about these events!!





September 25th




2011 Scion tC2 Release Party and Car Show
Grapevine Mills Mall
6pm-Midnight

Come on out to Grapevine Mills Mall for the 2011 tC release party! The events will feature a tC Ride and Drive element on a closed course, live music from DJ/Drummer "Detroit Red", BBoy Breakdance demo's, Skateboard street demo's, live graffiti artists creating works on-site, the Scion Urban Utility Vehicle (pretty cool promo truck), great prizes and giveaways, a VIP tent with food/beverages and more.

SCION CAR SHOW!!!
The custom car shows will be featured as the centerpiece of the party and we will be offering cash, custom trophies and prizes from Kicker Audio and other event sponsors for winners at every stop. The car show will be judged by invited guests, current Scion owners and any of the consumers who attend and want to participate. Currently we are talking about judging several categories including Best xA, Best xB, Best tC, Best xD as well as Best Car Stereo system and since these events are at night...Best Glow Package! I'm also trying to work on adding an xB2 class.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/phlynch/Scikotics/Invitation-Front1.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/phlynch/Scikotics/Invitation-Back.jpg


All Gulf Coast Event Dates:
Event #1 - Saturday, September 18th - West Oaks Mall - Houston, TX
Event #2 - Saturday, September 25th - Grapevine Mills Mall - Grapevine, TX
Event #3 - Saturday, October 2nd - Rolling Oaks Mall - San Antonio, TX
and
Event #4 - Saturday, October 16th - OSU - Oklahoma City, OK

I will post more details as I hear about them!

Toyota is so stupid. After most Americans settled for smaller cars to replace their huge cars and helped Toyota/Honda boost up sales, Toyota is making their cars bigger each time they redesign. From the Corolla to the Tacoma, Camry to the Tundra, the xA becoming the bigger xD, xB redesigned to be bigger, and also the Sienna. So now they are making the tC bigger too, good job!


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Straight from Motortrend.com

...Exterior dimensions are largely unchanged, despite the new sheetmetal. The tC retains its 106.3-inch-long wheelbase, 174.0-inch length, and 55.7-inch height, gaining only 1.6 inches in width to a total of 70.7 inches...

I thought the same thing the first time I saw the photo of the 2011's rear, "That looks like a Celica. Why would they do that?"


The tC was to be discontinued a couple years ago. with that said, it was slighty redesigned to be sold in Japan as a Celica. it was to have a 200hp 2.4l engine too. the fornt of the Celica/tC sorta had the same headlights as a current Camry and the tails bulged out the back ala Camry/xD. think of what the front of the tC2 would look like with camry lights and you would almost have the JDM version of the Celica that never happened.


now why do car companies design a vehicles succssor bigger. because that's what people want. who would pay more money for a redesign that is the same size or smaller? that's why the xB2 is what it is. the 2nd gen bB "looks" smaller than the first gen. why is the HIghlander bigger than before? why is the Tahoe bigger than ever? after having expanding my family, I can say that as baby carriers and stroller get bigger, you need a bigger car to haul all that ish...

cars have to be bigger as the designs age. they need bigger engines that produce more torque cuz that's what potential customer ask for.

look at Super GT racing in Japan. for a time, to fit int he GT500 class, the engine had to be built to 500hp. now the GTR, Honda HSV already have 500hp engine stock! GT300 class, they use Toyota V-6's now. why? more torque and already 300hp. my guess is soem are most likely detuned...

is the 2011 TC going to have a pedestal spoiler too? or just lip?

Who cares the pedistal spoiler will probably be ugly like the current gen tc

On the TRD model that they presented, they included the pedestal spoiler. It actually looked very nice on the cement color with the new 19'' TRD wheels. However, both will be offered. My personal preference was the lip spoiler. It accents the body better than the pedestal.

Pics? I was told my my region that the pedestal isn't an option yet so far just the lip. Maybe you have it mixed up

Thank you for double checking my post. I did check with our management here and I was incorrect. My sincere appologies.

I am trying to upload the photos from my phone to my twitter account. you can view them twitter @ToyotaScionTRD

Is it getting a ground effects kit? I've yet to see one.

From what we were told Scion will be offering 1 kit. However, they noted to us that they will be working with a few other vendors, who will offer scion specific body kits. So there are really a multiple of options when it comes to the body kit. I will get a hold of our other representatives to see if they can offer more information on body kits, spoilers, etc.

Lip spoiler looks great. I wonder how they treat the holes at the dealer during installation? I'd prolly install it myself for piece of mind.

there will be 2 ground effects kits out for the car, the first one will be from 5axis, and the scion one will be out later.

For more options on ground effects, spoilers, etc.; please check out optomizescion.com. I hope you enjoy this site.

I have a question for those of you looking to buy one of these...who wants coilovers?

Most companies wont have anything until Spring 2011 and TRD is not making them. I have sourced out a race shop that builds for Targa Newfoundland cars and has agreed to mock up the tC for a kit. It would be available this year (2010) not next.

I'm probably going this route as I can't stand stock ride height!

Kia needs to bring that R package to the US. It will easily drive up there sales numbers. Id buy that thing for sure. Then turbo it and eat tC's for lunch! LOL Kia is defintely going in the right direction. I mean they have racing team in the Continental Tire series dont see no Toyotas out there.


Your joking right? Kia already comes with more power/tq than the 1st gen tC and it's a butt load slower. Thing runs like a 17sec 1/4 mile for starters. Probably have to do with the fact that it redlines at like 6k rpms. And comparing Kia's racing heritage to Toyota....LOL Don't make me ROFL. Pretty sure if we counted even just the Scion's in racing it would out number Kia's count...let alone Toyotas.

Wow... hey did a pretty good job of screwing this car up. Our interior looked good, why the hard core change? Body lines are not good looking at all. I was to confused with that red one that 5 axis did.... they shoulda made it look like that stock. I woulda def bought one then!http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/scion/tc-five-axis/2011/as/10/ny/2011_scion_tc-five-axis_f34_10-ny-as_40210_717.jpg

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/scion/tc-five-axis/2011/as/10/ny/2011_scion_tc-five-axis_f34_10-ny-as_40210_717.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.insideline.com/scion/tc/2011/bloodshot-2011-scion-tc-by-five-axis-2010-new-york-auto-show.html&usg=__vdRHpPskSjcRFwME0fzmemSSyWY=&h=478&w=717&sz=51&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=Wrh20WQyzruH4M:&tbnh=153&tbnw=192&prev=/images%3Fq%3D5%2Baxis%2B2011%2Bscion%2Btc%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS376%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D614%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=309&ei=AzNcTKqkO4acsQOIw73aDQ&oei=AzNcTKqkO4acsQOIw73aDQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0&tx=98&ty=92
This car is one example of the 5axis design. Their is another car built by 5 axis. There is an example on my twitter. It is a cement color, that does not change the stock styling much.

I kind of wish people would stop asking for the tC to be RWD or AWD. It's still an economy car... you'd end up with a price in the low 20s and another 500lbs or something ridiculous (especially with AWD).

If you really want AWD that bad, buy a Subaru. I am... :lalala:

Thank you for driving that point home (pun intended). For the AWD or RWD we would be hard pressed to meet a larger demographic. Not everyone that drives a tC wants those extra features or costs.

Lets get back to the roots. People want a less expensive new car, with all of the same quality, functions, and features offered by Toyota. This car is meant for generation Y. That is why scion promotes low interest rates for first time buyers and college rebates.

In all reality, this is a very new brand. Just like in school, you have to make some golden mistakes in order to perfect your project.

The best thing about this site is that it allows everyone to let Scion know what they want.....Some things can be achieved and others can't. Give it time, this is a young brand, and a growing brand.

I suggest not knocking anything, until you have tried it first..... (paraphrased quote 'Ben Harper)

Your joking right? Kia already comes with more power/tq than the 1st gen tC and it's a butt load slower. Thing runs like a 17sec 1/4 mile for starters. Probably have to do with the fact that it redlines at like 6k rpms. And comparing Kia's racing heritage to Toyota....LOL Don't make me ROFL. Pretty sure if we counted even just the Scion's in racing it would out number Kia's count...let alone Toyotas.

Check out this link.......
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8150905/the-general-forum/coupes-2010-kia-forte-koup-vs-2011-scion-tc/index.html Info comparing the tC and Forte Koupe......A real rip off is that Kia.....who wants a car that depreciates in half once you drive it off the lot.....if thats of interest, buy a Kia.....

Kia Forte Koup SX
2.4 I4 173 hp
168 lb-ft
6-spd manual
5-spd auto(6-spd auto 2011)


Scion tC
2.5 I4 180 hp
173 lb-ft
6-spd manual
6-spd auto

Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8150905/the-general-forum/coupes-2010-kia-forte-koup-vs-2011-scion-tc/index.html#ixzz0yCDwF6Pj

I have a question for those of you looking to buy one of these...who wants coilovers?

Most companies wont have anything until Spring 2011 and TRD is not making them. I have sourced out a race shop that builds for Targa Newfoundland cars and has agreed to mock up the tC for a kit. It would be available this year (2010) not next.

I'm probably going this route as I can't stand stock ride height!


Can you send me some information on your vendor. ie. brochure, promotions ie. stickers, posters?

I would be happy to let my customers know about your company.

Check out this link.......
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8150905/the-general-forum/coupes-2010-kia-forte-koup-vs-2011-scion-tc/index.html Info comparing the tC and Forte Koupe......A real rip off is that Kia.....who wants a car that depreciates in half once you drive it off the lot.....if thats of interest, buy a Kia.....

Kia Forte Koup SX
2.4 I4 173 hp
168 lb-ft
6-spd manual
5-spd auto(6-spd auto 2011)


Scion tC
2.5 I4 180 hp
173 lb-ft
6-spd manual
6-spd auto

Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8150905/the-general-forum/coupes-2010-kia-forte-koup-vs-2011-scion-tc/index.html#ixzz0yCDwF6Pj





Yeah the Kia Koup is the least impressive 4banger in this price segment. It can't even outperform the 1st gen tC, let alone the 2nd gen. Why anyone thinks that car is awesome is beyond my scope of understanding.

Can you send me some information on your vendor. ie. brochure, promotions ie. stickers, posters?

I would be happy to let my customers know about your company.

I'm not a vendor nor do I own a company. This is just me reaching out as a tuner myself as there are complications to me posting as a manufacture.

I have had custom work done before and know the bad experiences that result from buying junk (Tein, K-Sport, etc). I recommend these, but they wont make anything unless I drop the car off. No point getting people overly excited over something that may not happen, but I just want to know now if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I'll just have them one-off a set for me.

I'm not a vendor nor do I own a company. I work for Toyota, and not at the dealer level. This is just me reaching out as a tuner myself as there are complications to me posting as a manufacture.

I have had custom work done before and know the bad experiences that result from buying junk (Tein, K-Sport, etc). I recommend these, but they wont make anything unless I drop the car off. No point getting people overly excited over something that may not happen, but I just want to know now if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I'll just have them one-off a set for me.


TEIN is no way shape or form junk quality like K-Sports are. I race and daily drive on a set of TEIN SS coilovers. With the shear number of race vehicles out there running on TEIN suspension, I would like to know why you classified them as junk?

I'm not a vendor nor do I own a company. I work for Toyota, and not at the dealer level. This is just me reaching out as a tuner myself as there are complications to me posting as a manufacture.

I have had custom work done before and know the bad experiences that result from buying junk (Tein, K-Sport, etc). I recommend these, but they wont make anything unless I drop the car off. No point getting people overly excited over something that may not happen, but I just want to know now if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I'll just have them one-off a set for me.

I understand, how has your success been so far tuning others vehicles?

Just out of curiosity, why do you say Tein is junk?

yea that!

When are the 2011's actually going to be released??? I want to test drive one so I can decide if I want to keep my 2008 mod or get an '11 next spring.

Commercial says 9/2010 but I just got an email that said October 1st.

Hahahahahaahhaa

@ $18,275, this thing is a rip.
@ $19,000, this thing is a complete rip.

You can get well-equipped Golf's for $18,000. GG Scion, you've killed yourself.

Sure you can get a 'well-equipped?' golf for $18,000. However that $18,000 golf is going to cost you a lot in the long run, due to high costs of ownership. From my experiences with my passat I used to drive, I was very disatisfied with the ammount of money I had to shell out in repair costs. Please remember that the value is not just in how the car looks and drives, but how well the car lasts (the overall value). The Scion line is not just pure priced, but also pure priced on parts and labor.

Lets remember as well, that not all people qualify for the rates advertised for VW, and many are required to put down large sums of money. You can easily get financed on a Scion for less than $1000 down and first time buyers can even recieve teir 1 rates.

Plus Scion is not supposed to come loaded. It is a menu, not a package....This is one of the ways Scion achieves it's pure-pricing pledge.

When are the 2011's actually going to be released??? I want to test drive one so I can decide if I want to keep my 2008 mod or get an '11 next spring.

I will be recieving my shipment mid October.

Factory crank HP numbers

Kia Forte Koup SX
2.4 I4 173 hp
168 lb-ft
6-spd manual
5-spd auto(6-spd auto 2011)



I wanted to give the car the benefit of the doubt since someone said turbo charging it will be awesome or whatever.

Found a thread from Turbokits.com who have claimed to boost the first Kia Koup in the states.

In stock form our Forte Koup 2.4L made 146/140. The TurboKits.com Turbo Forte made 253/243. That's +107 WHP & +103 Ft Lbs to the Wheels!!!


146whp? Talk about drivetrain loss. 1st gen tC has 160hp and still dyno's 140-145whp and like 140-150whptq. No wonder the Koup is slower. On boost 253whp/243wtq....Yeah don't think a turbo tC has anything to worry about there either.

TEIN is no way shape or form junk quality like K-Sports are. I race and daily drive on a set of TEIN SS coilovers. With the shear number of race vehicles out there running on TEIN suspension, I would like to know why you classified them as junk?

Everyone is so defensive of Tein. Let me explain my comment.

They are made from cheap steel, which has a high tendency to rot out very quickly. They are often twin tube design, which is simple but weaker in design. This utilizes a smaller piston with more internal seals then you would find in a mono tube design. They also follow close to the name, twin tube, which houses a separate mini damper housing inside the main canister you see painted green. The springs are poorly coated, and therefore the paint peals off quickly, causing again, rust, which causes alterations in the springs strength and rates.

They are also not often rebuildable as most Tein coilovers (with some exceptions) are sealed bodies. In other words, they are disposable, just like stock suspension.

Good systems will use stronger seals, offer customization in the most basic form of oils (viscosity, brand, etc), piston size and length, rebound and stroke alterations, and canister material options, just to name a few. Tein does not offer this.

So for the $1500+ you'd spend on off the shelf, you could have spent that and bought custom made with the ability to rebuild on the fly in the back of your truck/car. A set of good coilovers shouldn't take more than an hour to rebuild, about $50 in seals, and another $20 in oil. And they should last anything you throw at them without scoring the pistons.

But I will agree, K-Sport is far more junk.

And also, this is my opinion. You can take it anyway you wish. If you like the product, I'm not here to stop you from using it. No matter how you measure it, if your successful with them, then continue with them.

I used to run LEDA suspension on my last car and they were solid and sturdy. And even after 4 years of ownership, they cost me only $100 to rebuild and I had the option of shortening the bodies and piston should I see fit. Now that's control!

I understand, how has your success been so far tuning others vehicles?

Good success. Currently carless trying to decide between the Lexus IS or the tC, but soon I will have something and the games can again begin.

Everyone is so defensive of Tein. Let me explain my comment.

They are made from cheap steel, which has a high tendency to rot out very quickly. They are often twin tube design, which is simple but weaker in design. This utilizes a smaller piston with more internal seals then you would find in a mono tube design. They also follow close to the name, twin tube, which houses a separate mini damper housing inside the main canister you see painted green. The springs are poorly coated, and therefore the paint peals off quickly, causing again, rust, which causes alterations in the springs strength and rates.

They are also not often rebuildable as most Tein coilovers (with some exceptions) are sealed bodies. In other words, they are disposable, just like stock suspension.

Good systems will use stronger seals, offer customization in the most basic form of oils (viscosity, brand, etc), piston size and length, rebound and stroke alterations, and canister material options, just to name a few. Tein does not offer this.

So for the $1500+ you'd spend on off the shelf, you could have spent that and bought custom made with the ability to rebuild on the fly in the back of your truck/car. A set of good coilovers shouldn't take more than an hour to rebuild, about $50 in seals, and another $20 in oil. And they should last anything you throw at them without scoring the pistons.

But I will agree, K-Sport is far more junk.

And also, this is my opinion. You can take it anyway you wish. If you like the product, I'm not here to stop you from using it. No matter how you measure it, if your successful with them, then continue with them.

I used to run LEDA suspension on my last car and they were solid and sturdy. And even after 4 years of ownership, they cost me only $100 to rebuild and I had the option of shortening the bodies and piston should I see fit. Now that's control!



Good success. Currently carless trying to decide between the Lexus IS or the tC, but soon I will have something and the games can again begin.

Have you had a chance to drive the new tC?

Have you had a chance to drive the new tC?

Maybe...:biggrin:

I love the way the new tC drives. I just can't wait to drive a stick

i think i might actually try to trade my xb2 in for one. gonna take a big loss considering i just got it a couple of months ago, but i think it might be worth it.

I just wish there were something (other than a cool steering wheel) that made me just think "wow" about the new tC.

It all seems very mediocre. The styling is OK (it's grown on me a tiny bit) but not great. The power is decent but not awesome. The interior is one of the lower points, IMO - though I do like that all of the controls and center console are turned toward the driver. But the HVAC and things are all very.... parts bin.

Oh well though. As mentioned quite a few times I don't think I'm the target buyer for this new tC anyway. Probably for the best...

I love the way the new tC drives. I just can't wait to drive a stick

I want to drive the manual also. When you drove did you mess around with that tip-tronic shifting? I was surprised by the addition of that.

http://imgur.com/N4qE3.jpg

real rolling shot

i take no credit as I did not take this photo. found it on a diff forum

don nguyen took that... where did you exactly find it?

What forum did you find that on? I wanna rip some heads off

The new TC drives great and feels great. The Kia forte in no way feels like it makes 173hp. Its very sluggish and the pick up is weak. After actuallu driving the new tC I think is a pretty sweet car, still no first Gen though.

how some people are saying that the gauges lights are orange while in the pictures scion showed months ago are shown in red?!?

Mo you're right. The new tC is better then the old one. Also, how can someone "get a great deal on a scion"? It's pure pricing.... Unless your dealer is one of the fishy ones

As I was looking for some part $$ numbers on TRDSparks.com...

I mistaken 2011 for the year. They have few things already for sale. One thing that caught my eye was the TRD Oil Filter. In the description says; ".....For V6 engines; 2GRFE?

Hmm...little tad more of a engine; needs a much larger oil filter?

Everyone is so defensive of Tein. Let me explain my comment.

They are made from cheap steel, which has a high tendency to rot out very quickly. They are often twin tube design, which is simple but weaker in design. This utilizes a smaller piston with more internal seals then you would find in a mono tube design. They also follow close to the name, twin tube, which houses a separate mini damper housing inside the main canister you see painted green. The springs are poorly coated, and therefore the paint peals off quickly, causing again, rust, which causes alterations in the springs strength and rates.

They are also not often rebuildable as most Tein coilovers (with some exceptions) are sealed bodies. In other words, they are disposable, just like stock suspension.

Good systems will use stronger seals, offer customization in the most basic form of oils (viscosity, brand, etc), piston size and length, rebound and stroke alterations, and canister material options, just to name a few. Tein does not offer this.

So for the $1500+ you'd spend on off the shelf, you could have spent that and bought custom made with the ability to rebuild on the fly in the back of your truck/car. A set of good coilovers shouldn't take more than an hour to rebuild, about $50 in seals, and another $20 in oil. And they should last anything you throw at them without scoring the pistons.

But I will agree, K-Sport is far more junk.

And also, this is my opinion. You can take it anyway you wish. If you like the product, I'm not here to stop you from using it. No matter how you measure it, if your successful with them, then continue with them.

I used to run LEDA suspension on my last car and they were solid and sturdy. And even after 4 years of ownership, they cost me only $100 to rebuild and I had the option of shortening the bodies and piston should I see fit. Now that's control!



Good success. Currently carless trying to decide between the Lexus IS or the tC, but soon I will have something and the games can again begin.


I wasn't being defensive. I was asking for a quick explanation of how you came to the conclusion they were junk. Bought my Tein SS setup used, no rust here. It's a proven product, I'm happy with it. I'm actually having the dampners rebuilt to run 600f/900r spring rates for the track. I'm happy with their performance and race history.


Good systems will use stronger seals, offer customization in the most basic form of oils (viscosity, brand, etc), piston size and length, rebound and stroke alterations, and canister material options, just to name a few. Tein does not offer this.

Tein offers all of that. In the tC's platform, I don't believe they offer a model off the shelf that can do that, but I'm sure if you call them, they can do a custom setup just as much so as everyone else with a large scale suspension production can. Just a matter of them having a setup for the tC. But all of their Track/Competition setups are Mono-Tube designed (Type HT, Type N1, Super Racing, Comfort Sport, Euro Dampner..etc).

Noted here:
http://www.tein.com/products/super_racing.html

http://www.tein.com/products/index.html (http://www.tein.com/products/index.html)

love em or hate em, they're gonna be at the Scion dealer shows and such and you will ALL go to check it out. those that bring them will be the stars of the show whether you like them or not.

Isn't Scion supposed to be funky and different? I like that the back doesn't flow with the front. It looks different for a quick revision of the tC. With some good wheels and a drop, it'll look better than the original.

I like this model a lot, but there's no way in hell I'll give up my xB2. Not after all the heads I turn with my mods. :)

You guys should test drive it first before you make a decision. I bet it's a blast to drive.

New tC is so much FAIL. Guys, just wait for the 2012 Celica.

Lol 2012 celica gtfo

What's so funny?

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2012-toyota-celica.htm

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1046224_toyota-ft-86-to-be-named-fr-s

I think whats funny is that there are a million sites saying a million different things. Celica, Ft-86, FrS????

Do you all think this vehicle will fit better in the Scion line-up or Toyota? My worry is that it will end up Subaru.

theres no proof that the ft-86 is gonna be released. let alone released as a celica. my regional toyota/scion reps are saying that its definitely not going to be a celica. they discontinued the celica because it didnt sell, they arent going to come out with another car and call it the same thing as something that failed. its going to be released as a new model.

Wow Toyota. Everything that made the first gen tc gorgeous they just took and threw in the dumpster. Not impressed... :yawn:

Wow Toyota. Everything that made the first gen tc gorgeous they just took and threw in the dumpster. Not impressed... :yawn:

What features/functions were you most impressed with on the Gen1?

the 5sp, waterfall, garage door, climate control