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As some of you may already know; Stance has developed a set of TC coilovers for our community. (XB and XA guys, I haven't gotten any word yet but will keep you updated. Why is this important and big news? Well, to some, Stance may just be another coilover company, but to most, Stance is a high-end coilover company that produces pure JDM coilovers with plenty of race/drift experience and history. ALSO, the TC coilovers will include pillowball mounts, camber plates, and will come completely assembled. No OEM top hats required. And you guys get all this for a low price compared to other top manufactures that include these accessories such as TEIN, Cusco, etc.

Click here for manufacturer's website
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Pre-Order Details:
Stance's first crate is coming in early September! There is no total confirmed quantity coming from Japan as of yet, but we are one of the few exclusive California dealers and we aren't going to get anymore than 8 sets as of now. A deposit of $300 is required to place a pre-order, but this $300 will of course go toward the total product price. This deposit IS REFUNDABLE in case you change your mind, but a %10 charge ($30) is accessed if refunded. This charge is not for Meng Motorsports, but for Stance's inventory adjustments. We can do as low as $100 deposit, but no refunds can be made. Note: Pre-order is not required, but this allows us to know how much more to order. The next crate after September is expected in January. We don't want you to wait that long!


Why Stance?
-Made in Japan (JDM)
-15 Way Dampening Adjustability
-Fully Threaded Shock Bodies (Height adjustment is independent from spring pre-load.
-Camber Plates, Pillowball Mounts, Dust Plates included. (NO need to re-use OEM components!)
-Inverted Front Monotube Coilovers!
-GR+ has the widest height adjustment range. Numbers aren't confirmed yet, but we expect these to go just as low as B+Gs, yet retain comfort.
-Race/Drift experience.
-One year warranty.

Why Buy From Meng Motorsports?
-We are going to be one of the few exclusive dealers to get the TC sets in stock in September! These sets aren't released yet, don't be fooled by the EBAY sellers listing their products as "in-stock".
-We are direct dealers with Stance and speak to them on a regular basis!
-We put in 110% effort to keep all our customers happy. Check ANY forum we sponsor =].
-A set will be tested on our company TC vehicle. A review will come on this thread, but there is no guarantees that any will be left in stock once we post the pics.

***Meng WILL have EXCLUSIVE Meng Motorsports sets in stock that are revalved! The Standard Stance coilovers are rated at 7KG/MM front and 6KG/MM Rear. As of right now we have (3) three sets on order that are custom made for Meng Motorsports at 7KG/MM front and 9KG/MM rear! NO OTHER Dealer will have this set up. Place a pre-order to make sure you will get a custom 7/9 set. NOTE: Stance is not going to just swap springs on the custom Meng Motorsports sets. The shocks will be professionally revalved to match the new spring rates. With this revalving, we can custom order spring rates within a +/- 2KG/mm Difference. Meaning, from 7/9 we can get you up to 9/11 for free! Many other manufacturers claim to have "custom" spring rates, but sometimes they just swap springs without revalving which compromises the rebound/dampening adjustability.***

List price is $1495.00+Shipping. Send me a PM for special total discount price that will beat any authorized dealer! Place a pre-order to guarantee a special Meng Motorsports set which is the SAME PRICE!

Next order crate will be in January! If you don't want to wait that long pre-order now! We still have a few sets in stock.

Place your Pre-Orders on our secure website! (http://stores.mengmotorsports.com/-strse-484/Stance-GR-pls--Coilovers-05-dsh-10/Detail.bok)

Visit the Stance website to see that the standard spring rates are 7/6 kg/mm. We will have custom revalved sets at 7/9. Buy from a family owned business that has been loyal to the scion community for years!

UPDATE: We did get the Stance set for our Lexus SC

Here are some pics just to show you an example of what to expect

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Yes we did remove the Teins and went with Stances instead and have NO regrets!
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Yes we did ditch the Teins for the Stances and have no regrets. Our next autox event is in October so we will definitely let you guys know first hand on how we like the Stance coilovers when pushed harder.

Bump! PM me for special pre-order price!

how much total to 32810 i got enough i think lol

When would you require full paymen once a deposit has been made? Also price shipped to 90631?

All PM's replied!

Full payment will not be required until our coilover crate actually comes in! =]. We will personally take pictures for everybody and give our thoughts on it before you complete full payment. This seems like the fairest way for both the customer and Meng Motorsports. Pre-order deposit will of course go toward the price of the order.

As stated earlier, pre-order deposits are refundable! Only a %10 charge is accessed, that is not taken by us, but by Stance. Limited quantities available.

Ok cool..ignore my most recent PM lol I read the pm before I read the thread.

Haha no problem, All PM's replied anyway =]

Bump! All PM's replied! Get some exclusive Stance coilovers!

still ordering off you guys soon!!

Thanks Flint! Just let me know if you ever need anything else =]. We make customer service #1 priority. We are even accredited by the Better Business Bureau!

Pre-order pricing is still available by the way. Once coilovers do come out, pre-order price will no longer be valid.

definatly will bro! you guys are awesome! 100% support you guys in everyway

Pm me a preorder price shipped to 92843. Thanks.

Thank you for the kind words! =].

ALL PM's replied!

Just pre ordered a set for me!! soo excited! :)

Thanks for the pre-order! I just sent you a PM back. Let me know if you want custom spring rates!

Bump! Pre-orders are still available!

PM sent! Definitely interested.

Pm's replied!

any updates on the shipment coming in this month?

price shipped to 33579.
any updates!?

price to 60601

price shipped to 07652 thanks

All PM's replied! We also have a special deal on Function and Form coilovers if you guys don't want to wait for the pre-order crate to come in!

Just called Stance and they said they expect it to arrive late this month.

How much shipped to 70809?

(another question)
Not sure if it has been asked or not. Just want to be schooled on this so I can understand.

You said that you can get different springs/spring rates and have the shocks revalved to go along with the new springs/spring rates.

Can you explain what this means? I just want to be able to better understand it and what it benefits going this route rather than what they offer normally.

Also, what do the numbers mean with the spring rates?

1 kg/mm = 56 lb/in

pretty much the the higher the number the stiffer your springs will be. so when they say their spring rate is 7kg/mm front and 9 kg/mm rear. your front spring compression rate is 392lbs and your rear is 504 lbs.
the spring rate you want depends on what you will be using your car for. so if your racing lets say drag racing you stiff springs would probably be best.
I myself just ordered these coilovers and i just kept the orginal springs since these coilovers have 15 way adjustablity.

Thanks for the quick answer Rosario! Sorry everybody for the delays. We are still a small family owned business, so forum checking is done off the clock for me. I will try my best to check SL even more often now. If anybody has questions that need to be addressed immediately, you can reach me directly at 1-866-826-6048 or email me at Tony@mengmotorsports.com.

Yes stiffer spring rates in general are more tailored to the performance end due to increased response in handling, however over stiff springs can result in a rough ride over bumps or when daily driving. We felt that 7/9 was very ideal for the daily driver and weekend racer. Stance first started the set at 7/6 , however Meng convinced them to make a certain amount of sets for us at 7/9. We felt that having the rear stiffer will reduce understeer helping us at the autocross or track events =].

David,

Revalved shocks basically are revalved tailored to the certain spring rates. Certain manufacturers just slap different springs on without revalving, when custom spring rates are asked for. This results in a shock that is improperly tuned for the spring rate. One common negative effect is the dampening adjustment. The rebound dampening adjustment on the coilover will have less effect because the shock was really tuned for a different spring rate setup. I'm not bashing on other coilovers and I wouldn't say this is a HUGE drawback, as most daily drivers won't notice the difference. But revalving is done free for us, and it is definitely a bonus to have =]. Shocks properly valved for the correct spring rate will yield better results with effective dampening adjustments. In a coilover; the shock and spring are basically one unit working together, so generally speaking, a better end result can be caused by having the shock and spring tuned together.

As for what spring rates mean, Rosario was able to touch on it effectively. However I cannot accurately tell you what spring rate will feel better for you because its a lot on how you want your ride to be. I'm guessing stock springs are about 2 kg/mm as they usually are from the manufacturer. *just guessing here, please correct me if I'm wrong*. So knowing that, a coilover with 7/9 may result in a stiffer ride, but will indefinitely increase performance.

Update:

Sorry for the wait everybody but Stance did confirm the crate is coming this month. I also had a few customers call Stance themselves and was told the same thing.

As a reminder on rest of payment:

As stated via PM and first post; when the first crate comes in, we will personally take pictures and install the coilover on our own 07 Scion TC to give you guys our thoughts on it. We felt like this would be most fair since customers will actually be able to see the product they are buying. With that being said, please have rest of payment ready for whatever we quoted you. We are a direct dealer for Stance so we can only hold the coilovers for a certain amount of time before we have to fully fund the crate on our end. From the day of arrival, we can only give everybody two full weeks to fund the rest of payment or the pre-order price may be refunded minus the fee.

Called Stance again and was told that their crate is coming at the end of this month! So we will have our inventory early October and will have pics/thoughts. We also have been told that we are the only exclusive TC dealer that will have these sets in stock for the time being! Call any other dealer that claims they have the TC sets, when they really will have to special order them.

I hope so!!

Yup, you guys will definitely have the first sets Stance ever releases! Just confirmed they received their crate. I even heard there are pictures posted online somewhere of their local test vehicle =]. *just rumors* hehe. Keep tight everybody, I will let you know when we finally get our set installed.

Thanks for all of the informative info. I have a better understanding of it now. Staying tuned for updates and waiting to see the installed set.

Its nice to see that you guys are keeping us updated.

No problem about the updates =]. We are more than happy to bring them to you. We can't wait to test the set ourselves!

Thanks for all the information on the updates...awaiting the finished product.

I didn't get any email or call saying they came in

I can i get a quote shipped to 77072. Thanks

I didn't get any email or call saying they came in

i dont think anyone did.

Wow this is lame

Sorry for the wait everybody but we haven't received the coilovers either. We would have called everybody, but we are still waiting ourselves.

I wish Stance would send our crate already as well, but we are limited to what we can do since we don't have our inventory yet.

They should be available. Just got mine today. Looks fricken sweet! Cant wait to install.

Stinky, are you a local owner near the Stance facility? I'm surprised you got yours so quick, but congratulations!

Yes Stance called us and told us that they received their shipment from Japan already. Our inventory is said to arrive by Wednesday. Expect a call/email within 1-2 business days of inventory arrival!

i hope so! thank yall!

chee hee.
wednesday is almost here

Stinky, are you a local owner near the Stance facility? I'm surprised you got yours so quick, but congratulations!

Yes Stance called us and told us that they received their shipment from Japan already. Our inventory is said to arrive by Wednesday. Expect a call/email within 1-2 business days of inventory arrival!

I live in cali. Yeah im surprised i got it quick. These will tuck the front and rear tires easily.

Yup we are looking forward to our inventory as well. Pre-order customers, expect a call within 1-2 days of arrival when we have pictures and everything set up for you guys. We will not expect payment on a unseen product.

Our crate arrived as promised! To all pre-order customers, check your email for a bill to complete payment. We will have our set installed on our own TC within a few more days.

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These are absolutely in stock and are ready for order!

The pics are much appreciated. Beautiful. All I have to say.

hell yea. just picked mine up today. ill post some pics when i install them.

What is your stock count? I am interested in a set.

How much for these Stance coilovers shipped to 70809?

I can tell you that we pretty much have all the stock Stance has to offer. Most Stance dealers are expected to receive their crate in January-February! But we a great quantity of sets ready to go.

I'm glad the pictures are appreciated =]. Disregard the time stamp, we must have forgotten to set it. We will have more pics up soon after install and with new wheels!
The coilovers definitely look better in person, we have not seen a coilover with a better finish.

Thanks for the pickup Rosario! Don't forget to post a pic of the shirt as well haha.

David,

Shipping is just $5.00 for any order shipped anywhere in the continental United States =]. Stance coilovers are $1340.00 on our website but we just setup a coupon code for you guys. I will make a new thread for that later since the pre-order is over.

Use code "Stancemeng" for $40.00 off! This will discount the coilovers to $1300.00. All in stock, no waiting for backorders!

Review of Coilovers:

Fitment was 100% spot on. No modifications of course. The coilovers arrived with the pillowball top mounts properly installed and properly torqued. Pre-load was already set, but was easy to change. Coilovers basically arrived better than expected. Even came with the rubber stops on the threads to prevent any damage as you can see in the pictures. One thing different that we noticed compared to other coilovers that we offer is the sway bar mounting tab. Stance has a fully adjustable sway bar mounting tab on the coilover. This made lining up the coilover effortless since the tab to mount the sway bar to was adjustable. Rear coilovers also include a rubber ring which we haven't seen from other coilovers as well. Packaging and installation was spot-on and had no problems.

Thoughts on performance:

After the install we re-checked tire pressure and took it for a spirited drive. No alignment has been done yet, so we will have to chime in, in a few more days. We can honestly say that out of the coilovers we tested, Stance is definitely our favorite as of yet. Suspension travel is really quiet with no squeaks or noises. dampening and rebound is definitely more responsive. Body roll difference is night and day. The 15 dampening adjustability is definitely noticeable when you adjust in increments. Our sets were 9/11 kg/mm and had the dampening at full stiff for rear and set at neutral for the front. Next autox event is in November, so I will be able to give you guys more info then as well.

Height Adjustment:

Okay I'm sure everybody has been waiting for this one. We haven't maxed the fronts yet, but we can honestly say that the rears can go as low as the B+G coilovers; from which I believe is the lowest slamming coilovers available. Technically these Stance coilovers can go LOWER than B+G's! But, the spring preload will have to be adjusted. Shortening the spring travel will allow the end-user to lower the shock body even more. However this will result in a very harsh ride. So to summarize, the rears can go as low as B+G's or near, without even touching the pre-load! The same goes with the fronts. We estimate a little more than 3 inch drop both sides without tampering with the preload. These coilovers have separate pre-load and height adjustment! Keep in mind that when going near 3 inches, the pre-load will not have to be adjusted to prevent compromise of spring load. These coilovers also include pillowball top mounts and front camber plates!

I understand that without pictures, it didn't happen. We will have pictures up soon. With OEM wheels and with flush sitting wheels. =].

So glad I got these for my FC..if they are anything like mine they will slam like crazy.

I have about 1-2in left to go and I could BARELY get my foot under my car..oh and I physically couldn't get out of my driveway lol. Ride comfort isn't bad either and that was without adjusting the dampening.

I would love to get these for my tC if I was still modding it. These things are awesome!

just had to throw in my .2 :)

i can have a set for lifetime of friendship + $20? hahah jk, tony.
i have these on my sc and the stance's valving is among the best in its price range.
if lowness is what you want, these'll do.
if relatively cheap bolt-on performance is what you want, these'll do.
wish i was still modding my tC, or i'd trade in my function&forms in a heartbeat for these.

Any updated pictures?

Do you experience any spring pinging noise at low speed? Mine has pinging noise when I am parking into a driveway or going up a ramp slowly.

No updated pictures yet, but soon!

Stinky, that is pretty strange, we do not hear any spring pinging noise at all. Our coilovers were actually amazingly quiet. If you installed the coilovers yourself; did you check if the pre-load was adequate?

Haha thanks for the recommendations Emperor and Lobster. Yes these definitely should be the lowest coilovers available right now =]

Lobster,

Lol throw in your OG wheels and we got a deal!

Here's a pic of the rear! This is not maxed. With preload adjusted, the stance coilovers can literally slam the car to the ground.

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Fronts can go just as low!

We will have better pics when we get our gram lights on. Need to do some fender rolling and alignment, sorry for the wait everybody.

^FFFFUUUU!!!! Sucks kinda that I'm waiting on a different brand coilover to arrive. It's all good. I know what to go for if things fall through. Will be watching for more updates.

Haha yeah there is no question on which coilovers can go the lowest now. That's almost max without adjusting spring pre-load. Shortening the spring only sightly, will give enough thread to max the coilover until the car touches the ground. With performance also being top notch, there isn't much you can ask for from a coilover unit.

Just confirmed! We are giving away free T-shirts with every Stance coilover order while supplies last!

hey mengsta or sl members would someone kindly explain to me the advantages of the Stance Coilovers -vs-the b&g RS2 coilovers? I was pretty much set on buying a set of b&g's, but after seeing these and reading this thread, i'm torn between the 2 sets? out of these 2 sets which would you guys choose and why? any advice would be appreciated thx....

The one advantage I give to the Stance is the Upper Camber Plate for the front, one I give to B&G is constructed of steel for strength. B&G has a limited lifetime warranty while Stance has 1 year. Other than that I find them equal. To get a set of B&G's new takes a while as production isn't constant for the tC application, it's like 5 sets every several months. The demand isn't there so their production isn't high on the priority list it seems(availability for the VW crowd is there though). I think if there was a group buy for them though I'd think it'd get in people's hands sooner.

The one advantage I give to the Stance is the Upper Camber Plate for the front. B&G has a limited lifetime warranty while Stance has 1 year. Other than that I find them equal. To get a set of B&G's new takes a while as production isn't constant for the tC application, it's like 5 sets every several months. The demand isn't there so their production isn't high on the priority list it seems(availability for the VW crowd is there though). I think if there was a group buy for them though I'd think it'd get in people's hands sooner.


ok cool thx for the info, i think i read in one of your posts you just recently ordered a set of b&g's yourself didn't you? if so how long you been waiting for your's to come in now?

If you consider May recent then yes lol. 5 sets arrived in like August/September which Tyson sold his set on this forum. I wasn't up enough on the list to get one, I am due to get mine when the next sets arrive(which is like 5 or less). I've been calling over at B&G weekly to find out what's going on and have heard there's a shipment on it's way. While most would have cancelled their order I'm still waiting on these to arrive. Many shops I've called before placing an order told me it's a special order item, with varying delivery dates, that's when I called B&G before placing an order with an online store, also an authorized seller to get a better timeline.

cool thx dz, yeah i guess i should've thought about this before i posted here but i think i will just make my own posting to see what people think so i don't feel like i'm thread jack mengsta....:doh:

^True true, back on topic, buy Stance GR+ at Meng Motorsports!

Haha no worries about thread jack guys, a discussion is always appreciated even though another brand is in the discussion.

We haven't installed a set of B&G coilovers ourselves, so I can't give you a good factual or opinionated answer. However, Stance does include front camber plates and pillowball mounts. I'm not sure if BG's include pillowball mounts, but PB mounts are definitely an effective upgrade compared to the traditional OE mounts. Just like DZ stated, the Stance sets are also in stock and do not have a wait list as of right now.
I'm almost positive the spring rates are different, but I can't confirm as the BG spring rates are not posted on the website. Coilovers are of course valved differently, but of which coilover rates/valving is better for you, would be an opinionated answer.

As for the simple facts of differences:
Spring rates are different. Stance has a silencer rubber on the rear coilover plates. Stance has a different color finish. Stance front coilovers are inverted monotubes. 15 way dampening adjustability. Camber plates, pillowball mounts. and a few more that I may be missing =]. Stance is pure JDM, while B&G is Euro I believe.

We as an authorized dealer felt that Stance was the way to go.

... while B&G is Euro I believe.


Fixed, there is a company called BG that offers coilovers, no need to confuse them with the real deal.

B&G coilovers are made in the Netherlands(before it was in Holland).

I recently got a chance to compare STANCE coils to my JIC coils and its scary how similar they are...from the internals and right down to some of the stickers on them.

Thanks for the fix DropZone! I'm on so many forums daily that typo's are just bound to happen =[

Scion Jim,

JIC is JDM as well I believe? I'm pretty sure JIC, Cusco, and Stance are all comparable. Just like how some Taiwanese,China made coils such as Ksports, BCs, and D2s are all pretty similar. Not bringing down any of those manufactures, but certain coilovers are definitely similar. Good point. However according to our agent at Stance, they have their own facility in Japan that does not share parts with any other brands.